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| 05-21-12 06:07am - 4598 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Bastard100 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Jan 14, '12 Location: Germany |
Salary of Camgirls For example models on the website livesexasian.com; how much these models make in a month? i cna see often asian girls or southamerican girls, which are obviously living in a poor country, working there as a model, i can see they often own an iphone , expensive smartphone etc.... it seems they re just normal girls who decided to work in this industry...so always iim thinking if it is the salary which makes it attractive? Edited by Staff on May 21, 2012, 06:09am (Khan: corrected URL syntax) | |
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| 05-21-12 06:49am - 4598 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Of course it's for the money but then again everyone that does porn does it for the money regardless that they might say that it's because they love sex and porn was the best place for them to have sex and get paid for it. I can't tell you how much cam models make and I don't think anyone else can either because the info is not available to the general public. The only people that could answer you are those that are associated with the cam industry and they certainly don't want to share the info. I have a strong feeling that the cam industry as gotten bigger in the last few years but I really don't understand why because it is very expensive compared to other types of porn. I know that there are many free cam shows but if you want actual porn then you are going to have to pay and unless I am very wrong then the it's anything from $2 a minute to as much as 13$ a minute for a well known porn performer. I can see the appeal for the average girl because they can do their shows right from their home, they have a little more anonymity than most porn performers because their faces aren't plastered all over the net, the money is not as good as actually doing porn but then again the most hardcore stuff these girls tend to do is use toys to masturbate. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-21-12 12:40pm - 4598 days | #3 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
I love sex but I've never been paid to have it, only paid to have it.  If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-21-12 02:06pm - 4598 days | #4 | |
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BrockLion (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: Aug 08, '10 Location: Brookline, NH |
I have talked with (video chat, emails, and face to face discussion) models but I can only speak for a few and there are thousands. I'm not sure I can name the sites I am discussing but if I get spanked I can take it. A few years ago Met-art used a service where there was one live model per hour and you could tip those models and book private chats. For the privates you would pay $2.50/min and the model would get $1 unless she was working for a studio. Then the studio would get the $1 and gave the model .50. The owner of the site wrote this himself when he was looking for girls in Eastern Europe. Models that I spoke with confirmed the info. The models (or their studio) got 80% of tips. Metart had a falling out with that service and now uses a much larger service so that they have many girls available all the time. The pricing is much more varied. The owner of the original service opened up chatgf.com much like the original site and more recently tubecamgirls.com. Originally the girls got a much better percentage. Now they get 55% of privates and 60% of tips, unless they work for a studio. Girls who do a minimum number of public shows at chatgf (14 51 minute shows per month the last time I discussed it) get $100/month plus their chat and tip money. Some of the girls are enterprising enough to figure out how to sometimes cut out the middleman and do a little better while still having the safety of being on line. I was told that 55 and 60% are much better than they can get through other sites. Edited on May 21, 2012, 04:14pm | |
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| 05-21-12 06:08pm - 4597 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I think that if a cam girl gets anything above 50% of the profits then that's a decent amount. If we do a bit of math then half of 2.50$ is 1.25$ but that's per minute and also per customer so a girl with 20 customers online would make 250$ every 10 minutes so if she stays online for an hour then it comes to 1500$. That's a lot of money for anyone but it's especially high when you consider that these girls mostly only do solo masturbation for it. Your average porn girl makes about 1000$ for a standard b/g scene and she will have to spend many hours on site or in a studio doing it to earn what a solo masturbation cam girl makes. I guess that explains why so many porn girls are going the cam route. I'm glad for them but if porn goes all cam to morrow then they will definetely have one less customer spending money on their work because I will never watch a cam show. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-21-12 10:03pm - 4597 days | #6 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
You're kinda ignoring the meaning of a "private" chat. It means, almost by definition, that the chat is one on one between her and the one person that paid for the private. So she can't have 20 people on private at once. So she basically makes $80 an hour for privates, plus whatever percentage of the tips she gets from the public shows/parts of the show. | |
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| 05-21-12 11:02pm - 4597 days | #7 | |
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BrockLion (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: Aug 08, '10 Location: Brookline, NH |
In reality a few hundred a week is above average. | |
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| 05-22-12 08:34am - 4597 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I could be wrong but I believe that private does not mean that the girl is alone with one guy but is instead alone with whomever paid for access. I think exclusif is when you are one-on-one with the girl but I don't know what the rates would be for that kind of service. I'm sure someone more knowledgable than me will be able to confirm this. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-22-12 09:22am - 4597 days | #9 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
I used to date a girl who worked on cams. She said she was paid 500 Czech Crowns (~25 USD) for a 1 hour solo masturbation show. Not bad money but there were so many girls wanting to do it she said she could only work a couple of times a week maximum and some weeks not at all. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 05-22-12 01:20pm - 4597 days | #10 | |
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Ergo Proxy (0)
Active User  Posts: 52 Registered: Dec 22, '07 Location: Germany |
Why is it I feel kind of awkward looking at cam girls but not so with porn actors? All hail to the hypnotoad! | |
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| 05-22-12 03:34pm - 4597 days | #11 | |
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BrockLion (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: Aug 08, '10 Location: Brookline, NH |
Chatted with a girl this morning, it was $2 /min non-exclusive private. The other guy was there 10 minutes and I 30 minutes. So that would have been a total take of $80 charged. The collecting site would have kept a percentage of that and sent the rest to the hosting site which sent a fraction to the girl or to her studio of maybe $30. If she was working for a studio she would have been lucky to keep $15. | |
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| 05-22-12 06:45pm - 4596 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I don't know but 15$ for half an hour of work seems like a very good salary. If I use your numbers than a girl who does only 10 half hour shows each week can earn as little as 600$ per month. Imagine just how much money some of these girls could make if the hosting site only charged 50 cents a minute. It's too bad that the girls don't make more money but it's hard for me to give a rats ass when I think just how expensive these cam shows are. I feel that cam shows are a scam the same way that phone sex is a scam. They are only there to keep you online for as long as they can to take as much of your money as they can. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-23-12 03:45am - 4596 days | #13 | |
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JosiahE (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: Oct 17, '11 Location: Australia |
I have a male friend who does this on Cam4, and does private shows on skype, he charges like $50-100, but im not sure how long he does it. | |
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| 05-23-12 05:53am - 4596 days | #14 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Is your male friend straight, gay or bi? If straight or bi, what audience does he play to? Women, men, or whoever will pay to watch his shows? I've only watched the free cam shows that some paysites offer. Where women are featured. Most of those free cam shows are a waste of time. | |
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| 05-23-12 06:09am - 4596 days | #15 | |
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Bastard100 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Jan 14, '12 Location: Germany |
what is the average salary of a girl in a paysite? | |
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| 05-23-12 06:21am - 4596 days | #16 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Can you elaborate on your question? Are you asking about the salary girls gets for shooting a scene for an internet studio or is it something else? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-23-12 07:42am - 4596 days | #17 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I have to agree, I too think the cam thing is weird. It like a porn star, kinda not. Its like a hooker, kinda not. They often charge by the time not event so I never dabbled as I often thought how would I know if they stretched the time.  Since 2007 | |
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| 05-23-12 10:10am - 4596 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I've never really thought about it since the price they charge for cam shows is way beyond what I'll pay for porn but I think that I would also be uncomfortable watching a girl live. Especially if we are interacting. When I watch a video then it's just me but with a cam show then it's me, the performer and whoever is online as well and that feels a little creepy to me. I guess the intimacy aspect is what people enjoy about cam shows. Maybe they think they have a connection with the girl in the same way that you have an intimate connection with the stripper at a strip club. I don't see anything really wrong per say unles you have a girlfriend or wife. Having a significaqnt other and being intimate with another woman is a sure way to get in trouble. I could never do that because my brain isn't designed to allow me that kind of fantasy. No matter what might be said. I would always know that it's impossible to be intimate with the person I'm paying to get me sexually excited. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-24-12 01:44pm - 4595 days | #19 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User  Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
Just to put these numbers in perspective and show that the earnings range is likely extremely wide, it's worth mentioning that there are models at sites like MyFreeCams that are not about the private shows but the tips in public chat. On April 2012, a model at MyFreeCams got a single tip of 467,040 tokens. 23,352 USD for her in one blow. AFAIK, that model only does softcore shows at most and spends 99% of her time in public chat. I've only seen this one in screen shots but extremely huge tips happen and several trustworthy sites keep pseudo-official records. Even though it was the highest ever on record on that site, screen shots show a note from the tipper that implies it was a group effort: other members chipped in so she could get that amount in a single tip. That model kept clocking hours as usual for the rest of the month and, I assume, getting tips. Things get crazier when you pair this with the fact that MyFreeCams runs a monthly competition that crowns the top money earner for each month. That model finished in 5th position on April 2012. | |
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| 05-25-12 03:21am - 4594 days | #20 | |
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Bastard100 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Jan 14, '12 Location: Germany |
I mean Camgirls, like on Livejasmin.com. | |
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| 05-25-12 04:46am - 4594 days | #21 | |
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JosiahE (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: Oct 17, '11 Location: Australia |
He is Bi, so he mainly performs for men | |
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| 06-20-12 04:22pm - 4568 days | #22 | |
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HeatherMcXxx (0)
Suspended  Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '07 Location: Providence, RI |
New York magazine did a piece a couple years back on Live Jasmin models. I recall that models charging $1.99/min. would receive roughly .35 of that amount. So that's about $20 for an hour-long cam session -- and very few sessions are more than a few minutes long (so says the article) because the men resist joining the model in a private paid session until they're close to ... er ... finishing. Jasmin, which the article claimed was the most successful site of its kind, allows anyone to visit a model's "free" room (non-nude, but still sexy, presumably) before electing to engage in a private, paid session. So basically, a guy can go about jerkin' the gherkin' watching the model in free until he's ready for some nudity-inspired spurting. Heck of a way to make a (not very good) living. I suppose the very best models can charge more and do okay, but the typical model has to work awfully hard (at unusual hours of the day and night) to just earn a meager wage. "Whoever has the vagina is in charge." - Megan Fox | |
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| 06-21-12 09:23pm - 4566 days | #24 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
The various cam sites give various percentages to the models. I doubt that any cam site gives a salary to models that are not working for the site doing PR, etc. Aaliyah Love has been in the cam biz for a long time and if you listen to her or Misty Gates talk about the biz, you'll hear them mention the percentages they get. It might not seem like a lot when you hear the percentages, but both of them do very well for themselves and neither is on cam for very many hours. Of course, you have to put up with the endless procession of weirdos spouting their obsessions - and often spouting endless abuse at the models. Dawn Avril was practically shuddering recently after having done 2 private shows - 1 with a guy who wanted her to watch him fucking himself up the ass with a dildo on his cam and encourage him to do so - and another with a guy that wanted her to fuck herself with a big black dildo while spouting crap about how his tiny little dick couldn't compared to the ni***r cock that she was getting. I'm sure the people that run the cam sites are raking the money in hand over fist. They mainly have to pay for the hosting servers, I would imagine. | |
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| 06-22-12 11:03am - 4566 days | #25 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
I believe the maximum a model may get at Live Jasmin is a third of her per minute listed price. Since most models work for a cam studio, they have to share that third with the studio owner. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they have to go 50/50 which would be the .35 per min you mention from the 1.99/min listed. To make matters worse, Live Jasmin uses regional pricing to charge users but models get payed in $ regardless. So, a user in Europe would be paying €1.99/min ($2.5 nowadays) but the model would end up getting $.35 (14% of what the user paid). It kind of puts things in perspective. Middle men do win. Edited on Jun 22, 2012, 11:09am | |
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| 06-22-12 11:05am - 4566 days | #26 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I read an article about Kink's live web cam shows where some of the models are beginning a class action lawsuit against KInk because Kink is chnaging their business plans when it comes to payment of web cam models. The old way Kink did it was that each model was guaranteed 150$ for a 4 hours shift in which the model made 500$ or less from customers paying for privae sessions. Anything above 500$ and commission ranged from 30 and 50%. In the new plan. Models will make 30$ commission for shifts below 300$, 40% between 300$ and 1500$ and 50% for anything above 1500$. The reason for the change is that Kink was losing money in the old system so the only way to keep it active was to implement these changes. I'm including a link to the article if anyone is interested in reading it. http://www.adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=54753 Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-22-12 02:18pm - 4566 days | #27 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Interesting read. Thanks for the link, Pat. It sounds like, if the cam girls have to work from home, that the only ones that will be able to do so are the ones that have built their own home dungeon, from what Holloway describes, anyway. | |
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| 06-22-12 06:31pm - 4565 days | #28 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Since I don't really watch Kink's cam stuff anymore than I do other cam sites then I can't be 100% sure but based on what I looked at then I think that the bulk of their content is the same solo masturbation stuff you'll find on every other cam site. The difference may be that there's a little more BSDM to their stuff but you are still talking about a solo girl. It's just that she may have some whips added to the standard dildo's and toys. A lot of BSDM requires at least another person to tie the performer up so models would need a partner in their home to do their shows if it was to be true BSDM. Not impossible but also unrealistic since you now have 2 performers on screen so they either get double pay or have to share the profits. I don't want to say that Holloway's statement is B.S. but she does have an axe to grind with Kink and it's been my experience that it's usually hard to have objectivity in those situation. That doesn't mean that she is wrong but I'll trust Kink because until I see otherwise then I still think that Kink is by far the best company to work for bar none. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-24-12 12:00am - 4564 days | #29 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
With all due respect, Pat, I doubt that any of us that have not worked for any porn sites as models have any basis to say what companies are good or better to work for as models. We can read what we read, but until we cash a check or have the work experience, we really have only the vaguest idea what it's like to work for these sites. | |
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| 06-24-12 07:48am - 4564 days | #30 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Although you are completely right about not being certain just how good or bad certain companies are. I'm pretty comfortable in my statement that Kink is one of the better porn companies to work for today only because I have never heard one bad thing said about them except for this recent issue. I'd also like to add that the complaints aren't in regard to how they are treated by Kink but in how they are now going to get paid. I think that it's a real pisser that performers who used to be guaranteed a certain salary aren't necessarily going to make that amount but the owners explanaition as to why they had to change makes perfect sense. It comes down to having a job that may now pay less(but could pay more) to having no job. Just the fact that Kink paid all their performers a set fee is pretty impressive to begin with because you know that this is not the way most cam sites work. It's pure comission and the percentage varies a lot from performer to performer. I hope that this gets taken care outside of the legal realm because if this should go to trial then I think Kink will simply shutdown their live site. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-25-12 04:45pm - 4563 days | #31 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Pat, you said above, "I don't know but 15$ for half an hour of work seems like a very good salary" - I guess, but I know hairdressers that make more than that cutting men's hair. It would work out to 75$ an hour for the amount of time it took and what they charged - and yes some of them had expenses. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 06-25-12 06:46pm - 4562 days | #32 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I don't know how much it is in your corner of the world but it cost me between 15$ to 20$ to just get my hair cut so no hair washing involved. You'd probably have to add another 2$-3$ if I also wanted my hair washed. I'd say that hairdressers make great money on a per customer basis but they of course need a decent stream of them to make huge amounts of money. That last part is why it's not always such a great career because if you only get 4-5 customers per day then it makes for a very long day and the most you might make is 100$. A very decent amount but that's before taxes and expenses and if you work for a salon then you probably either pay rent for the chair or had to buy it which must be high. Another great thing about being an hairdressers is that you can work on the side and pay a lot less tax than other types of jobs. My cousing wife is a hairdresser and she easily pulls in 50,000$ a year and a good chunk of that is tax free because she works partly from home. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-26-12 06:16am - 4562 days | #33 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^ Well that was my point. The woman I had in mind charged 25$ to cut my hair, and as you said, no washing involved. Took her less than 20 mins. I just figured the hourly rate from that. The chain Supercuts here in the States, no reservation required and for a senior, basic cut is $12.50 for a haircut no wash and it's about a 15 min job. She gets paid a flat hourly rate plus tips. (I happen to like this one cutter so I tip her 2.50$ for her effort, her tats and her chatter.) So while it does require a diploma from a cosmetology school, a cam girl would be wise to put her earnings into this type of degree AND she can continue to strip for extra cash on the side. It certainly bodes well to have something to fall back on when your body decides to desert you later on. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 06-26-12 06:48am - 4562 days | #34 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^It's quite possible that some cam girls have actual jobs and they do only cam shows to make extra money. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-26-12 08:18am - 4562 days | #35 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
You pay a higher tip because you enjoy a woman's tats? I guess it's a matter of personal preference, but I like women who are ink-free. | |
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| 06-26-12 03:03pm - 4562 days | #36 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^ Well, we get to talk about her tats ya see and her tats are very ritualistic and mystic looking - sort of Egyptian style. And it's not like she has a sleeve or anything AND we are not mates. She's interesting and it gives me a little joy in the twilight of my life... {gag} but I couldn't resist. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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