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| 01-14-12 05:47pm - 4688 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Bastard100 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Jan 14, '12 Location: Germany |
Looking for Flatrate Cam Site Maybe someone know the site seventeenlive.co,. Since a few years it is changed system. Before 2008, it was working like a flatrate - Cam - Sex - Site. Means u pay one amount and have 1 Month action. Right now this site is changed in an per-minute-private-session site.(Sadly) I was a big fan of ther site before. IS there any other Site which has this feature (one pay and then lot action) on the web or is it all per minute paying? | |
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| 01-15-12 09:53am - 4687 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I dislike cam shows so I may not be the best person to answer this one but I'd be surprised to see a cam site offer a flat rate since most of them have different deals with their performers. The popular girls get a better part of the profit than other girls so a flat rate would be in the best interest of the site. I can't say if it's true because I never tried it but some solo model sites do offer their members access to their cam shows. Now I don't know if these cam shows are on their site or an actual cam site where there's somekind of understanding between the star and that site. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-15-12 10:37am - 4687 days | #3 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User  Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
I'm not sure what kind of shows there were on that site you mention but, IMHO, it's a very tough call. If you're looking for boy-girl, I'd suggest Live Gonzo: you get different types of membership although, on the join page, it looks like membership gets you at most up to one interactive live chat access, meaning you may see all the shows they do but you only get your voice heard once a month. I'm unsure about how good the times might be from Europe. There are also companies that let you see them while they shoot as part of the membership. Puba.com is one of them. You get boy-girl, girl-girl and the occasional solo. AFAIK, they don't have the interaction restrictions of Live Gonzo and the times are very good for Europeans. I believe Brazzers Network also let you see some of the shoots but what I remember from when they started you had to pay an extra. It's a very softcore alternative but it also comes to mind Cam With Her. A couple years ago, they had a membership section and had daily non-nude shows for members, although most were at Europe-unfriendly times. Those models also did 1 on 1 sessions on a per minute rate. For reasons I ignore, many of the most popular models started to leave around that time so I'm not sure how the site is doing now. | |
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| 01-15-12 04:27pm - 4687 days | #4 | |
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Bastard100 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Jan 14, '12 Location: Germany |
Thnx for the post. What i am looking for exactly is a site, with young girls, solo action on cam, for example like livejasmin.com, but for one price. Edited by Staff on Jan 15, 2012, 07:01pm (Khan: corrected direct link URL) | |
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| 01-15-12 08:28pm - 4686 days | #5 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
As Pat says, the best bet for the kind of action that you're looking for at this point in time is a sologirl site that has a lot of cam shows through their site. The best network for that kind of activity these days is the network that includes Nikki Simms' site, Meet Madden, etc. If you join one of those sites, you'll have access to all of the web cam shows that happen during the week. There are usually 3-5 shows per day. The downside is that, except for the site that you actually join, the only shows that you'll see are the ones that you're home for and they're geared to the east coast and to students - shows tend to start earlier in the day, in other words. If you join Nikki's site or Madden's site, etc, you'll have access to that model's cam-show archives, but not to the archives of other cam shows on the network. | |
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| 02-05-12 07:58am - 4666 days | #6 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
I did a ton of research before starting our site. There just aren't any of these sites out there anymore, other than, as Pat362 and PinkPanther stated, the web models sites, where they have weekly cam shows. But even these are getting less frequent. The biggest part of the issue, is finding the models who are willing to work for non-commission. Commission, with perhaps an hourly or base pay, has become industry norm for webcam work. So I wouldn't expect to see that type of webcam site in the future, but then again, stranger things have happened. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-05-12 08:27am - 4666 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I can't ever see a time when a flat rate cam site would be a good business model. There's just too much money to be made charging by the minute to make a falt rate a viable money making endeavor. I haven't watched many cam shows and I honestly don't see the appeal for them. The quality of the videos tend to be average, you are more or less limited to a single camera so very few possible angles, lighting is often inadequate to properly see the action and frankly too many of thse are solo model stuff. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-05-12 09:07am - 4666 days | #8 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
I would personally do a flat rate site, if I could find the models willing to work for a salary. I would actually like to have a steady monthly income from memberships. Actually, this has piqued my interest, I am going to look into this further. I do understand where you are coming from Pat, about cams not appealing to you. They are a completely different niche from what you are looking for. The cam community is more about having a relationship with the model on cam. Feeling, whether justified or not, that you have a personal tie to the model. Also, it is live, as opposed to a video you are watching. You have at least some control over the action that is taking place on camera, not just watching from the sidelines. It is much more personal. I myself enjoy both types of porn. I am a member of several sites myself, and also frequented cam sites before starting my own. By the way, I also wanted to comment on your signature Pat. Still the best show ever on TV! Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site Edited on Feb 05, 2012, 09:28am | |
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| 02-05-12 09:31am - 4666 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I can see where many people choose cam sites because they believe they have a relationship with the model. They do interact with them and the model uses the viewers name and if you return oftne enough then you may learn more about each other and I think that's part of why I don't really care for them because my mind doesn't allow me that kind of illusion. I'm too realistic to be able to believe that I can have a real relationship with the person I jerk off to. Another big reason is that cam sites are way way too expensive to be worth it. For the kind of money you have to spend on regular cam show. I think it would be cheaper getting a prostitute. I have a sugegestion for you in regards to models and the possibility of offering a flat rate. You might look into having a small number of exclusif models that only shoot for you and this way it would be easier to see if paying them a decent flat rate vs commission is a possibility. It's true that girls might have a hard time being sold on the idea if they have done cam shows before but I think that a falt rate might get you a lot more members than the current pay per minute system. You make less profit per shows but have the possibility of making a lot more with recuring memberships. If you read oem of the threads on this forum then you will see that there are certains things that many of us like and are pretty absent from most of the porn shot these days. You could find some very interesting niches that aren't being met and exploit them. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-05-12 10:20am - 4666 days | #10 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User  Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
I noticed that somes web sites do have free interatictive cam shows as part of their subscriptions but these are often niche sites. I am someone who is new to online erotica and never really paid any attention to webcams. I have never seen a cam show until recently when I signed up for a site I was interested in. It comes as part of the monthly subscription and I wasn't aware of it until I signed up. I have looked at some of the pay sites like LiveJasmin, just out of curiosity regarding what they are all about. But my impression of these is that they are way way way too expensive. When I see what some of the per-minute charges are, I was a bit taken aback. Most are asking for about $3.99 a minute. Some up to $7.99. My first reaction was, are you kidding me? A minute??? By the time you are done with a 5 minute show, you could get a month's subscription at an erotic site of your choice. I am not anti webcam. I just think they are ridiculously expensive to the point of absurdity. If you got into this, you could spend a lot of money very quickly--especially if you are an impulsive buyer. If you were doing it once a month or so, I guess it wouldn't set you back any more than than going to an adult cabaret and paying the model for a private strip show. However, if you are the kind that visits a lot, you are probably going to get rolled. | |
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| 02-05-12 10:29am - 4666 days | #11 | |
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Peelarry (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: Jun 22, '09 Location: Germany |
There's a german cam site I had joined: www.fundorado.de OK, it's in German. But it's a flatrate with really a lot of cams and girls you can interact with. Most of them are from eastern europe, some german channels are on also. When you choose a one-year membership, you pay 10€ for each month. The price is really good, but some of the girls seem to be very bored and only make show when they want. But for that price it's worth what you get. You also can choose a monthly membership for 15€. It's worth a look. | |
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| 02-05-12 10:35am - 4666 days | #12 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
Yes, Bubba, and Pat, it can get very expensive, very quickly. And, that is why the cam community is hard pressed for paying members. I actually just spoke with one of our most popular models about the idea of a monthly fee site. She was actually open to the idea of a monthly salary. I am going to look into this more. It may fill a void that has been opened. I do have a question for those who are in this thread, and especially for Bastard100. If there was a monthly charge, that got you a certain amount of time for private chats per month, would that be enough, with the ability to purchase more? Or would you expect unlimited private chat time with each model? Thanks for any responses to the questions. I hope I am not out of bounds for asking them. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-05-12 10:59am - 4666 days | #13 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
I don't think its out of bounds at all. The site owners don't know what people want--or are willing to pay--unless they ask. My two cents: I think there would be a number of options that paying customers would find reasonable. As I mentioned, some sites do offer free weekly cam shows as part of the regular subscription. I belong to one myself. IMO, this would serve as an enticement for new members to join and it would also serve as an enticement to keep members around if/when they became bored with the content. They might also be less prone to just grabbing what content they can in a month and leaving for good. There could also be a subscription plan--one with regular content and one with regular content + free web cam shows that are scheduled during the week. As long as the fees aren't too much, I believe most consumers interested in cams might pay for it if there were a few shows each week in the evenings when most people are around. The question regarding what is too much is something that is subjective. Personally, if a site charged $29.99 for regular subscription and charged an additional $9.99 for the web cam subs, a lot of people might find this reasonable. The shows would need to be somehwat decent, however, or word would just get out that it's not worth it. Anything higher than the $9.99 charge, I think people mgiht start to balk. That is just my hunch, however. I guess a business could only experiment and they will eventually find the price point that maximizes subscriptions. The content does need to be decent, however, and not just a novelty or people will see through it. Finding that price points is the hardest part, I assume. I honestly dont think sex is the main attraction of something like a cam show. Sure, there will be people who want to just get off quickly and it's all carnal. But I think the attraction is probably more about the personal interactions with an attractive model on more platonic terms. In other words, it would likely appeal to someone who is lonely(we've all been there) and wanted female company beyond just sex. In other words, it is easy to start to think of the model more as an online 'girlfriend' to talk to, rather than just an image in a photo or video. IMO, personal interaction would definately keep more subscribers. How many is anyone's guess. The experience with the subscription site becomes more personal and meaningful when there is interaction. That's just my candid and honest opinion, however. It's all fantasy and a business. I just think the pay-per-minute sites operate on a predatory pricing model. Edited on Feb 05, 2012, 11:13am | |
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| 02-05-12 11:12am - 4666 days | #14 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
Thank you very much for the input Bubba. Our site is strictly webcam, the models do create photos, and videos, for their profiles, but it is all about the webcams, as is all content. So the subscription, if we went that way, would be exclusively for access to the web cams, and any 'private' photos or videos created by the models. You are correct about the main attraction of these sites in general. It is all about the interaction. Yes, there is a sexual element to it, but the online girlfriend is very accurate. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-05-12 11:13am - 4666 days | #15 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Also, another option would be weekly group cam shows scheduled during the week and maybe have a non-cam section where there is personal chat with the model via a peronal message area or something like that--what did you do today? what do you like to eat? That would be interesting and allow one-on-one as well as visual group cam shows. Or have a 'get to know' model area where some of the models dont have web shows but have this chat message feature where they respond to users who subscribe. I actually would like this as sometimes you wonder about the models themselves beyond just the sex--like you would any performer in Hollywood or Sports, etc I think the personality of the model is also very important. She may be the best looking one on a site, but if she doesn't come across as personable and friendly, etc...the fantasy is lost. We all know this type--very pretty and sexy but has the personality of a snail. Personality can be more sexy than looks. At least to me. Edited on Feb 05, 2012, 11:20am | |
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| 02-05-12 12:51pm - 4666 days | #16 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
I could not agree more with this statement Bubba. I have known too many HOT girls, who I would not take to a private chat on a bet, due to the personality. Thanks for the other thoughts on the chat message feature, etc. That is exactly what I was thinking myself. Have 'free' cams where the girl just has her photo, but the chat is open. We actually have this now. We also do the weekly shows for free now with some of the girls. But this helps alot with knowing what people are looking for out there. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-06-12 08:10am - 4665 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Being a little ignorant on webcam sites then I may be off on what I'm about to say. I think that there should be a monthly fee that gives you standard access and then there should be extra charges for customers that want a more personal interaction with the model. This way you get more customers to sign up and those with extra money can get more for that money. Since webcams tend to get very expensive in a short time then I think a membership of 40$ to 50$ seems decent and significantly lower than what most will pay anywhere else. I leave it to someone else to come up with a cost for the private chat stuff. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-09-12 11:40pm - 4661 days | #18 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
Actually Pat, that is how most sites work these days anyway. You get to see the model on cam for free, or with a free registration, then pay for the 'personal' time. Some models show nothing in free chat, while others will tease, or strip, for tips, while on some sites, for tips they will do full masturbation, it depends on the site, and the girl. Thanks for the input, I really appreciate it. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-10-12 09:52am - 4661 days | #19 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
If I subscribed to a cam site, I think the problem I would have with paying a per-minute fee for a personal show is due to the fact that the model controls the transaction and sets the pace. The buyer has no control over this. If someone visited a brothel and paid a flat rate for a service, the model wants to deliver the service and get it over as quickly as possible. With a web show, it is in the best economic interest of the model to drag the service on as long as possible. I can imagine a model getting someone to attend a private viewing and then take five minutes just to undress, another five to tease, and on and on. By the time the customer got what he came to see, he's possibly contemplating taking out a second mortgage to finance the credit card bill just incurred.  IMO, an a la carte menu would be more fair. Have a flat rate for a private show with tips as an option. Want to see boobs? Here's the price. Want to see me play for five minutes? Here's the price for that. The model would want to deliver a good show because she wants the tip at the end. If a customer feels they didn't get good service, they won't tip. If the cam business wants to grow a customer base, the only way to do that is to give the supplier less control over the transaction and make things more equitable. The way the per-minute fees are priced is absurd, IMO. They saw you coming. | |
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| 02-10-12 06:42pm - 4660 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
See I showed my ignorance about cam sites. I still think there's a huge market for a one time fee cam site because the other cam sites must be starting to suffer with the way the economy is going. I don't see the appeal for cam sites but even if i loved that type of porn then the amount needed to satisfy me would be so high that I would have to find something else anyway. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-11-12 06:49am - 4660 days | #21 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
I appreciate these thoughts Bubba, and to a point agree with them. However, in the same way as earning the tip, for many camsites, repeat business is a must. So if a model does take too long, or is not giving the customer what he wants, he won't come back for a second show. Most, not all, models are aware of this, and so try to give the best show possible. Regular customers are a cam models staple. Also, the customer can end the chat at any time, so if the model is not giving what you want, bail out. And, in your scenario, some of this can be done for tips, in free chat. If you want to see boobs, ask the model what it would cost to see them, If you want more, ask, they will give you a price for that up front. On some of the larger sites, not mine, the girls will masturbate in public free chat for tips. As with anything, there is a risk involved. I am sure you have purchased a video from a site, expecting something it did not deliver. And odds are, you did not give that site return business. Same thing. And Pat, I agree, there may be a market there, and I am looking into it. There are many hurdles to something like that, but then there always are. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-11-12 12:39pm - 4660 days | #22 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
I certainly agree with your points. If a model is playing games with a customer, they just won't come back and word will eventually get out. I also would think that repeat business is probably the bread and butter of cam sites. I am just speaking from the perspective of reality--the way it currently is structured, most potential customers are going to find it way too expensive In terms of growth, that is a different animal. I know nothing about the business model or how the prices are set. Just using common sense, however, those $2.99 and $7.99 per minute pricing models I see advertised at many sites are going to scare people away. Going back to the original post, I think a flat rate subscription fee or ala carte menu that is reaonable, would be the only way to in draw customers who are interested but find the pricing to be too aggressive. How to do that and keep the models happy and keep a profit is obviously not something easy to figure out or it would probably already be done. Given that there are cam sites all over the net, the models will just bail and go to a competitor who offers the per-minute rates.Given the current pricing, the only thing a site can do to attract customers is offer lower rates than competitors. But then the quality of the models willing to work for the lower rates will likely suffer. In terms of the industry-wide web cam 'economy', the structure is already set and it would be hard to change unless the entire industry was torn down and reworked. Unless a majoirity of sites start coming out with flat rate subscription fees instead of per-minute, anny attempt by a small handful to do as such, will likely end up in them finding themselves between a rock and a hard place. | |
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| 02-12-12 05:12am - 4659 days | #23 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 583 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
I think its a great idea Simarimas to have a cam site with a flat rate, it would certainly make people like me think of joining as I like the idea of a more interactive porn experience and I've been on the membership sites that gave free access to a cam site, some good conversations I've had and I enjoyed it but I would never pay per minute, far too expensive for my porn budget but a cam site where the model did a full nudity strip for a room and you could chat would be good for a monthly fee, I'd look more into it for sure. I think though doing both like giving the option of pay per minute to see more and a 1 on 1 as well as the monthly fee would put me off though as I'd want it all for the membership, I don't like joining and finding out I have to pay more. Another idea I did see years ago was having a house full of models and and have a back story and full profile, even blog with all of them and each model has a cam in her bedroom and they cam each night, sometimes have 2 girls camming together, I like that idea. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 02-12-12 06:18am - 4659 days | #24 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
Yes Bubba, it is a sticky situation, in figuring out how to do it. But again, I think it may be worth trying at the very least. Thanks for the input Elephant, I appreciate it. I do think it would attract many more members, such as yourself. What would you think about having a certain amount of 1 on 1 minutes each month for your membership fee, with the ability to purchase more if needed? And different levels of membership with more minutes available monthly, and a larger discount on the credits you purchased, if you chose to do so? Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 02-12-12 04:15pm - 4659 days | #25 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
Well, I still think there are just too many sites on the net and the pricing structure can't really be altered that much now that it is set. I would think the best opprtunity for growth would come not from trying to adjust the per-minute rates but to offer something other sites do not and going with an entirely different experience. As I was discussing earlier, I think most people are just caught up in the persoanl interaction, not so much the images and video feeds themselves. If you want to see boobs and action, you can get this easily in HD quality today for a low price. I think the 'Virtual Girfriend' experience is what would sell. Message boards and one-on-one interactions that are not just limited to the same old web cam experience. I would think just trying something new and setting yourself apart from the commonplace would get more traffic and interest than lowering a price or going to a flat-rate cam experience. Various rate plans like Gold, Silver, Bronze etc would allow you varying access and itneractions. If I was a young entrepeneur in the adult entertainment world and had money to invest in infrastructure, I would be thinking of doing something akin to Facebook. Social sites are the rage and people like interacting with pretty women(or guys). You could develop an exlcusive community of paying members that might even develop into a free site if advertising comes in if the site gets popular. Something like that would be a pot of gold, IMO, if someone could make it work. Thats just my two cents, however. Edited on Feb 12, 2012, 04:43pm | |
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| 03-11-12 07:36am - 4631 days | #26 | |
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BelleR (0)
Active User Posts: 1 Registered: Mar 11, '12 |
Actually, the problem with the prices is not on the models' side most of the time. I have friends working as models, and most of the times they get between 15-20% of what a customer pays for the show. There are also many times bank fees and such for getting the money. Also, from those money, they have to acquire costumes, toys, etc. So if you pay 3.99/min, the model actually gets 0.59. You have to realize they also need to make a living. How many minutes does she have to be in private at 0.59 to pay her bills and so on? And of course she is not all the time in private, a good model is probably in private 50% of the time she is online. But in most cases is more like 25%, so the math is not that simple. Yes, if she is in private 1 hour she would make 35$, and she would supposedly need 4 hours online to do that, so let's say for a normal 8 hours day she could make 70$. So in 20 days she could make 1400. Yes, i'm sure there are models who make more. But there are many who make less. And btw, on large sites i know most of the models are online at 1.99, not 3.99. So actually it's half that sum. And also, it is still adult industry. You cannot expect a worker in this field to want to earn minimum wage. If they'd want that, there are simpler jobs, with guaranteed income. Where are the rest of the money you pay? Websites have to make a living, and have to invest heavily in advertising, all kinds. That's actually what you pay, advertisement and not the meodels. | |
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| 03-11-12 08:47am - 4631 days | #27 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
After reading all the inputs, I find it hard that this u=industry survives at all in this economy. At even 1.99 a minute that huge now days and could cost huge for one encounter. I also can not help but wonder if they are taught to keep you on the line as long as possible with them. It seems like and industry that could pilfer legally money from consumers. It is not like other adult sites where you see you buy and you get a product. Cam sites are very misleading to what they supply and for how long. It reminds me of the 1900 numbers in the magazines they would put you on hold and then they would drag out the call. I am sure web-cam sites are run legally, but I wonder are they run fair to the consumer. This Toad thinks it a business I will ever avoid putting money into. You ever get stuck on a phone call and realize you been on 1 hour, imagine doing that here and how do you know the billing stops the minute you hang up. Couldnt they sneak in a minute or two without anyone noticing on a 30 minute call ? Like I said it is to unmonitored and to unpredictable, of course these are just my own views.  Since 2007 | |
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