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| 01-05-13 11:58am - 4331 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
New Russian laws on porn Got this from a euro-pornsite owner/webmaster in some talks about Russian models - freely "translated" and put here: The major problem at the moment and in the future for euro pornsites is the newer Russian laws on porn. It's very difficult to get new models from Russia, Ukraine ect. People are scared and fear prosecution - that goes for models as well. The owner is from a well known site, well known among quite a few PUs - I'll not put his name/or the name of his site/sites here - he can do so, if he pleases. (he follows our PU-forum). But I still believe this is something to think about, when we miss the continuing fresh renewal of models from that part of the world...  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 01-05-13 12:58pm - 4331 days | #2 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
That would be a serious blow to a wonderful resource of models.  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-05-13 02:06pm - 4331 days | #3 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Ella, the absolute and crowning favorite of mine, (who, abides and films in Russia, and makes up one of the three "Fame-Girls,") has been doing a series of non-nude pics from the time she was well under-age until now, @ age 18. I trust this news Denner have brought us will have no effect on the continued progress of this series. I did a review of this site, currently posted under my bio and highly recommended. Thanks, denner, (as it is your practice) for again giving us another important breaking news event. | |
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| 01-05-13 02:35pm - 4331 days | #4 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Three cheers for Hungary and the Czech Republic! They'll keep feeding us the good stuff, I hope???? | |
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| 01-05-13 02:58pm - 4331 days | #5 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Well, our European friend/pornsite-owner/WM (who I "talk" to now and then in mails) says this: "Porn Catastrophe is coming closer and Countries like CZ and HU can not rescue the russian disaster ! I am too small to fight against this alone, but i am very sad because i am also a SURFER !!" I just bring/forward part of a message he send me in a personal "Happy New Year-mail" in interest of all here - all fans of easteuro porn and erotica. I'll ask him if he wants to give us all further info on this problem here at PU. Me personally, I'd hate it, if he is close to the truth. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 01-05-13 05:04pm - 4331 days | #6 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Too true, the Eastern Bloc as was, is a great resource of pretty models. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-05-13 06:00pm - 4331 days | #7 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I guess we're supposed to make "stop having fun" our New Year's resolution. The Russian ladies are some of my favorites. I wonder what got this whole porn ban thing started. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 01-05-13 06:35pm - 4331 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
This is actually old news. The Russian parliment paased a law I belive last February or March but only implemented it in August. There a lot of back and forth debate on the EBI forum. That law is is in large part why most Eatern European porn sites have had a serious drop in new girls and overall quality. Russia a was a huge source of talent to the porn industry and this law makes it near impossible to shoot in that Country so any girl wanting to do porn must travel outiside the Country to shoot but getting work Visa has also been made hard. Mind you even if it hadn't been then most girls wouldn't bother with travelling to another Country to shoot porn because they would have to shoot multiple scens to make the trip worh it. I suspect that is another reason why many porn girls are turning to escorting. They have to travel but the rewards are worth it in this case. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-05-13 09:18pm - 4330 days | #9 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I don't know enough about Russian porn to really throw myself into this issue, but the fact Russia is sitting on such a massive source of oil, natural gas, as well as an abundance of other natural resources, and whose economy and influx of trade is making strides in leaps and bounds ....... then on a wild guess, could it be they don't need, nor further want the stigma and fat revenues here-to-fore that's being poured into the country from the sex trade? | |
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| 01-06-13 01:40am - 4330 days | #10 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
You probably get powerful prudes in most countries, I suppose. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-06-13 07:06am - 4330 days | #11 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Having watched the way laws have been changing over the past 6-8 years, across a range of key countries, the environment is getting harder and harder for adult sites. What annoys me most is that all the UK billing companies I've tried over the years have either closed down or stopped doing adult. On top of that the two main credit card companies are US based and they insist on applying both US law and their own odd morality on sites which want to include them as billing options. This has meant trying to comply with UK law, US law, the US patent system (which everyone knows is insane) and, worst of all, the credit card rules. I run a few softcore sites, and really quite softcore at that, but I've had to remove content which no longer fits (undressing pranks, girls undressing in their sleep because they are too hot, any slight hint of hypnosis etc.) with the credit card companies' rules. The UK has tightened up rules on voyeurism (almost completely illegal now) and anything which leaves marks on skin (spanking, ropes etc.). I see no evidence of light at the end of the tunnel. It's always almost impossible to predict how these things will go, but I'm not making long term plans for remaining the the adult website business. I can't even say for sure it will be legal 5 years from now.  It would be so nice to see something getting better for once. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 01-06-13 02:33pm - 4330 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
The saying goes ...... "What's old is new again" Do'ya S'pose that could mean another Victorian Era is just around the corner? | |
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| 01-06-13 06:30pm - 4330 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I don't but the pendulum is moving in that direction at the moment. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-06-13 06:45pm - 4330 days | #14 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
All I can say is that I am supremely happy that I had the good fortune to live at least during a part of the wild west, wide open, Internet era. Before the golden age Canada had always been so uptight about porn that their attitude to sex and nudity was ridiculous to someone with a European background. There was a time shortly after I landed on these shores when you even had to smuggle Penthouse et. al across the U.S. border or buy them from someone who kept them under the counter, out of sight of the disapproving eyes of the law. What a glorious 18 years of freedom for me, a regular Internet smorgasbord of every kind of porn .. and the authorities stepped back for a little while because the thought of controlling the flood was more than they felt they were capable of handling. Not only that, but they also finally found out how popular porn was among most men and many women, so their careers were on the line as well. No doubt you are right, GM. The pendulum always swings back, so it might very well swing back to Victorian prudishness. I just hope that it won't be in your time and mine! Even though I have enough in my stash to last me another fifty years I love the smell of freedom ... the freedom to explore my sexual needs and dreams and fantasies to the full. | |
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| 01-07-13 04:29am - 4329 days | #15 | |
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KET924aab (0)
Active User Posts: 60 Registered: Dec 18, '12 Location: California, USA |
I agree Messmer, and another thing about the internet and digital porn is that is so much easier to manage and access your collection as compared to the old days of paper mags, VHS tapes, and DVDs. I went digital in 2006, and haven't looked back. I don't think internet porn is going away--I think I read somewhere that it accounts for something like 25% of all internet traffic. I am curious as to how the Russian law defines porn (hardcore only?, etc). I'm guessing that it does not include webcam stripping, because there are plenty of Russian girls still on the webcam sites. Also, does anyone know if the Ukraine falls under the law? I would think not, but then what do I know. | |
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| 01-07-13 10:13am - 4329 days | #16 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I love the digital age myself. There are so many positives about it. At one time you had to hide your stash from the prying eyes of your nearest and dearest, now you put it on an encrypted external hard drive. I am surprised at the "25% of Internet traffic" I had really assumed, without having any proof, that the percentage would be much higher. It was something I read in an article somewhere but then not all articles published can be trusted. Theoretically the Ukraine should not be effected by what the Russians do, now that they gained their independence, but they might consider the present laws a good thing and follow the lead. Trouble with both countries was the fact that organized crime had quite the slice of the porn trade so that migh be another factor why the new law would be generally supported by the population at large. | |
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| 01-07-13 04:11pm - 4329 days | #17 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
While I agree that we seem to be entering a new age of prudishness, in the west, at least, I think the reason may be more problematic than in the past (and in Russia). From what I've read, much of the problem in Russia is that Putin and the oligarchs happily pacify the Russian Church because that keeps a lot of people calm. Let them mainline Jesus and they won't care that you're taking all the resources for yourself. In the west though, in most parts anyway, religion doesn't hold as much power (though it still punches waaaay above it's weight). I think the problem is the busybody soccer mom crowd. Before you jump on me, please note that I use the term "soccer mom" as a derogatory term for both genders. It appears that the modern soccer mom supports personal choice and freedom only if it is in line with their own beliefs. As someone once wrote, specifically about the U.S. public but the same would apply elsewhere: we publicly abhor and privately adore porn. | |
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| 01-07-13 04:30pm - 4329 days | #18 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Priceless. Thanks RA for lettin' this little Genie out the bottle.  | |
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| 01-07-13 06:52pm - 4329 days | #19 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Although Russia appears to be more radical at the moment. Let's not forget that Australia is not much better and in some ways might be worse. Wasn't one of the big reasons why Abby Winters moved their operation to Europe was because the Australian goverment was cracking down on the people producing what it calls pornographic material. Althouugh AW could be considered a porn site. The bulk of their content is mostly sofcore to midcore. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-08-13 09:47pm - 4327 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I thought it was Abby Winters' offices being raided that specifically made them leave, though the porn laws in general certainly did not help. It's sad to see that a country grown up enough to appoint a prime minister who doesn't believe in god (and isn't even married to boot!  ) can still be so comfortably authoritarian when it comes to smut. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 01-17-13 01:02pm - 4319 days | #21 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
I think what it says about Russian porn models is that economically speaking they have more incentive to go down... that path. Were the economies of other eastern block countries as bad there would be more from those countries. Additionally, I don't think it will significantly lessen the number of Russian porn models since they will traffic themselves to a place where they can be filmed. Also, I wonder how much the Russian mafia will act on this? Sounds like a money maker to me if it isn't already. When I saw Nika Niore totally throat Jean Pierre on throatjobs.com I thought to myself she appeared thanks to the Ruski mafia. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-28-13 10:50pm - 4187 days | #22 | |
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1morkovka (0)
Active User Posts: 2 Registered: May 28, '13 Location: Washington DC |
Being a person of Soviet origin (and a native Russian speaker to boot), I can say one thing: Harshness of the Russian laws is compensated by extreme laxness of their enforcement. Also, from what I gathered in few other forums, the trick is in the definition of �porn.� As long as no legal definition is contained in the law, it is virtually impossible to charge anyone with shooting porn. In my understanding, in reality the whole thing works in the following manner. You shoot a feature containing, say, solo, b/g, and g/g scenes. Then you take it to your resident �expert� who reviews the feature and certifies it as a work of hard erotic (but not porn!!!). As long as you deal with a right kind of expert, i.e. the one who regularly reviews your work for a fee (that is, earns his living of fees paid by producers), and provided the feature does not contain any scenes involving forced activity, mutilation, acts involving feces and, etc, you will have no problem obtaining a right kind of certificate. This certificate, i.e. a piece of paper containing �expert opinion� is your protection against potential pornography charges. | |
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| 05-28-13 11:44pm - 4187 days | #23 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Difficult, eh? Yet gettin' male-order brides from there appears to be a slam-dunk. go figure. | |
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| 05-29-13 05:19am - 4187 days | #24 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
This description sounds like something from a Third World Country - you know - like Mexico or some place like that. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-29-13 07:22am - 4187 days | #25 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Thanks to 1morkovka for these informations. It's old Russia again - or am I mistanken?: You pay some "expert" - probably a civil servant to get your permission to do erotic movies/photos ect. You don't pay, you risk prosecution or?? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 05-29-13 08:12am - 4187 days | #26 | |
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Jackthecommon (0)
Active User Posts: 7 Registered: May 28, '13 Location: USA |
Does anyone know where you can find the actual written laws to read? Jack | |
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| 05-29-13 06:20pm - 4187 days | #27 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't doubt that you are correct but and this is a rather large but. We're talking about Russia. Let's just say that their idea of crime and punishment is not necessarily what I would always consider fair. Case in point. What was the Pussy Riot's crime exactly? Did it deserve such a hard prison sentence? I don't live in Russia but if I did and I saw a law that pretty much said that shooting porn on Russian territory is an almost guaranteed trip to prison then I wouldn't shoot porn in Russia. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-01-13 11:02pm - 4183 days | #28 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
True, but Pussy Riot was speaking out rather vocally against Putin, which surely may have been the reason they were arrested for some bullshit "crime". My guess is porn producers, while they may not like Putin, probably don't have hot ladies running around saying "fuck me, fuck me, oh, and fuck you Putin". There are or recently were lots of laws on the books, even in the US (especially the south) that forbid actions that people continue to do under the assumption no one would ever prosecute them for it. I mean, you couldn't get a legal blowjob in Alabama until 2003. Apparently I broke a lot of laws on my post graduation tour of the country... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws...in_the_United_States On the other hand, I also don't live in Russia, and I probably wouldn't risk it either. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 06-02-13 07:35am - 4183 days | #29 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hehehe you said blow and model in the same sentence  . Since 2007 | |
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| 07-19-13 09:51pm - 4135 days | #30 | |
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1morkovka (0)
Active User Posts: 2 Registered: May 28, '13 Location: Washington DC |
One point of clarification, even though Russian happens to be my native language, I never lived in modern Russia. I came to the States BEFORE the USSR fell apart (on X-Mass Day 1991). From what I gather, you do not have to pay a civil servant. The expert in question is most often a medical doctor, psychologist, or sexologist. | |
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| 07-20-13 08:07am - 4135 days | #31 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I think the problem is that we are talking about Russia and based on some recent events then I feel safe in saying that their idea of justice is not the same as mine and not the same as it is in North America. It's quite possible that you are 100% correct but when there is a law that tells you that shooting porn in Russia can lead to prison then how many people really want to take the risk? Especially now when the rewards are so small. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-04-13 07:23pm - 4089 days | #33 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Ive email Khan and Rick about these guys . Hopefully they respond before it gets outta hand.  stupid spammers Since 2007 Edited by Staff on Sep 04, 2013, 08:05pm | |
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| 09-04-13 08:06pm - 4089 days | #34 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
We're having some problems with email right now but I took care of the batch of spams. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-04-13 08:37pm - 4089 days | #35 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Cool  Since 2007 | |
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| 10-25-14 04:32pm - 3673 days | #37 | |
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TVFR (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 20 Registered: Oct 25, '14 |
Sorry to resurrect this old thread but I am interested into followup. Did the law had any impact ?
BTW recent international events may change this... | |
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| 10-26-14 05:16am - 3672 days | #38 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Actually, it's worse in Ukraine. Yuschenko passed a law that criminalized the production, distribution, and even possession of porn in Ukraine in 2009. The punishment ranges from a fine to a 3 year prison term. I have one photo from the site ukrainiangirls.com, and it's a rare piece of an era that is over in Ukraine. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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