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| 08-07-17 02:56am - 2694 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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jook (0)
Active User  Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
External storage It's time for a new computer, a new iMac. I'm wondering if I should upgrade storage or leave it as is. I presently have four 4TB Sata drives in a docking station connected via USB 3.0. As you may know, the new iMac offers much faster connections, but I wonder how important that is except when transferring files. Any thoughts? | |
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| 08-07-17 05:12am - 2694 days | #2 | |
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standard (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Apr 02, '10 |
If you don't have backups of anything you want to keep, do that first. If your 16TB is 8TB of content and 8TB of backed-up identical content, I can't see any reason to upgrade unless you just enjoy tinkering with it. Like you said, unless you were transferring enormous amounts of data often you wouldn't see much of a benefit for the expense. Hold off, let it get cheaper/smaller/more-capacity/etc. and buy when you actually need it. Definitely back it up first if it's not, though. | |
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| 08-20-17 12:41pm - 2681 days | #3 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Murphy's law. Either my docking station is on the blink or 2 HD's died. With no backup! If I can't recover it, there goes a large portion of my collection. What a bummer! I'm hoping it's the docking station that went bad, not the HDs. Anyway, life goes on and moving on... I'm looking at purchasing a new storage plus backup solution and I could use suggestions. I've done the research and can't seem to come up with many options. The least costly system I can think of is to get another docking station with 4 bays. My collection was 12TB, assuming I can get it back. That translates to a minimum purchase of 24TB to include backup and have all the HDs on the same docking station. I would actually like 32TB to allow for future downloads. This is not an inexpensive option but the least expensive that I can find. I'd love to get RAID, but I think that's probably overkill and even costlier. Any suggestions? | |
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| 08-20-17 01:46pm - 2681 days | #4 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
A 4 TB EXTERNAL HARD DRIVE IS NOW AROUND $108 AT AMAZON OR COSTCO. SO THE PRICE HAS GONE WAY DOWN. BUT I'VE NEVER GONE INTO DOCKING STATIONS. | |
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| 08-20-17 02:23pm - 2681 days | #5 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
I think it would be cheaper to buy a zillion floppy disks! 8" of course. It's amazing to think back to the uh, good ol' days when storage needs were minimal. Unfortunately though, as price for storage decreases, the need to store larger amounts of data increases. I ordered two 8TB disks today and will eventually order 2 more. I was using four 4TB disks which no longer meet my needs. I haven't decided where I'm going to put the disks yet, a docking station or NAS. The plan is to use 2 of the disks for backup. And I know in a couple of years I'll probably outgrow a "measly" 32TB but alas, I need to win a few dozen more raffles to pay for all this. -) | |
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| 08-30-17 07:19am - 2671 days | #6 | |
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Tonto1 (0)
Active User  Posts: 6 Registered: Aug 30, '17 Location: Virginia |
Hey Jook, So, i'm looking to do the same thing as you with the docking station, but having just spent the last 8 years in prison (see New Members page), i've been kind of out of the loop here. I'd thought about an NAS, but I don't really need the remote access or the expense for that matter. I had tried a 2tb Seagate external drive, but it died on me in less than 2 weeks. So, I kinda got gun-shy about getting another one. I have an old machine that I had built before I went to prison & it has an old hard drive that i'd like to get some pics off of, so I started looking into the docking stations & figured them to be a far cheaper, viable way to store data. But, i'm concerened about the exposure of the hard drives & of course, the heat in the little enclosed docking stations. I was just curious if you could let me know if you ever found out if it was your docking station that failed or what and if you could enlighten me on your experience with the docking stations as a whole? Thanks. | |
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| 08-30-17 05:23pm - 2671 days | #7 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Howdy again Tonto. I should know better. I just wrote a long response and it got lost into PU outer space. Beware, that's a problem with the software on this board. So, here goes again. I ordered another Startech. As a result, I found out it wasn't my original Startech enclosure that went bad. Two 4TB hard drives died almost simultaneously. Bummer! Anyway, I need a new enclosure for 2 reasons. My old Startech seemed flaky and on its last legs and it wasn't USB 3.0. I ordered the latest Startech. But the new Startech was cheaply built and required a screwdriver to put drives in and out. I sent it back. And then I started asking everyone in the world about NAS vs JBOD (just a bunch of disks). RAID is a safer solution since you don't lose any data if a drive goes bad. However, it's not feasible to backup within the same enclosure which prompted my decision to go with another JBOD. If you're going to go RAID, you'll need a second enclosure for backups, or another backup solution. I wasn't prepared to go to such lengths. However, I would recommend such a solution if you didn't want to leave anything to fate. The problem with a JBOD and backing up on the same enclosure is that if the enclosure went bad and fried all your disks, you're shit out of luck and everything is lost. My rationale is that the odds of such a thing happening are minuscule, and besides, I'm not as guarded as others about my collection (which is now a fraction of what it was). So, I'm going with this - https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/M3QX2KIT0GB/. It works with Windows or Mac and can also be gotten at Amazon. I'll have it tomorrow. The drives are enclosed and you have the best of both worlds - you can make it a RAID or JBOD. I am going with the latter. I will have four 8TB disks, two for backup. If you let me know your needs and present setup, perhaps I can offer an opinion. I went from knowing nothing a few weeks ago to becoming one of those guys who has a little too much knowledge for his own good. -) | |
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| 08-31-17 09:58am - 2670 days | #8 | |
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Tonto1 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Aug 30, '17 Location: Virginia |
[QUOTE=jook]Howdy again Tonto. I should know better. I just wrote a long response and it got lost into PU outer space. Beware, that's a problem with the software on this board. So, here goes again.[QUOTE] No worries, thanks for the reply jook and I certainly appreciate your time and effort. So, I have an Alienware 17 r4 with an i7-6820hk; 32gb ram, GeForce 1080, 1tb PCIe SSD and a 1tb 7200 HD...pretty much 'the works', but I found my HD filled up pretty damn fast with video. Course, i'm keeping my SSD for system stuff and games only. That being said, I was also looking at similar enclosures as you linked to, but they are kind of pricey for me at the moment. By the way, does the enclosure that you linked to have any fans for cooling? I couldn't see any reference to them...Which brings me to another question, do you think your other 2 drives failed due to heat issues? Seems odd that 2 would go at just the same time unless there was some sort of voltage surge or something. Anyways, so at this point I figured that I would just start with something like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004G8QETI/_en...;colid=2QK3Q66ZCQ2PC just so that I could get the data from my old drive and once I do that i'll just pop in a new 2tb Seagate or something. Again, I appreciate the help. Ray | |
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| 08-31-17 04:03pm - 2670 days | #9 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
You must be a gamer with that system. Mighty fast. Both my Startech and new OWC have fans. The typical life of HDs is about 4 years, so I took a stupid risk. I thought it odd too that two disks would go at about the same time. That's why I assumed it was the enclosure. The new OWC seems quite solid and it's not expensive compared to other quality enclosures. I haven't hooked it up yet though. How much data do you have in the way of videos and how much do you plan to have over the next few years? That should determine how many bays you need in an enclosure and the size of HDs you need. Frankly, I don't see the point of a single bay enclosure since you need a backup solution too. You have to decide how you're going to backup, not if you're going to back up. Learn a lesson from me! That was my biggest stumbling block - buying sufficient storage space with a system to backup. With your system, you'll probably want to download at a minimum 1080p videos which can be quite big - upwards of 1GB each. It adds up, so keep that in mind. | |
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| 09-01-17 08:25am - 2669 days | #10 | |
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Tonto1 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Aug 30, '17 Location: Virginia |
I game some, certainly not as much as I used to. I guess between sobriety and age i've slowed down a bit, but yeah, this system hums right along...I'm actually getting ready to do a re-paste on it. Seems the Alienware has some heat issues to go along with all that hardware. Anyways, as far as how much data; well, that's kinda sketchy right now. Put it this way, I don't really mess with anything below 1080 (some are closer to 2GB too by the way) and i've only been out of prison for about 5 months now and already filled up a 1TB HD...Now granted, I need to do some heavy weeding out of some videos that were compulsively downloaded, but that's what I have to gauge off of right now. Ultimately, I am just going to start off with this one enclosure purely because I need something cheap and 'now' so that I can get the data from my old drive. I'm merely picking up the 2TB Seagate as a place to start, but i'm definitely more interested in something like what you're doing with the OWC for the long run. The whole RAID thing is new to me so i'll need to spend some time learing about that, but my main issue is how to deal with the heat aspect of things and what is the best way to safeguard my data against any really big losses...Say, if I amass some 10TB of video, how do I keep from losing it? | |
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| 09-02-17 08:49am - 2668 days | #11 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
It sounds like you're on the right track. I hooked up the OWC and so far so good. It's a solid device though a little bit of a pain to set up. Then again, I have a feeling all good enclosures require a little hassle to set up. I'm not accustomed to screwing in each drive. But it seems more secure that way and it wasn't that much of a hassle. I have it hooked up as JBOD but can always change to RAID in the future. Like I said though, RAID would require another enclosure for backup. You asked about protecting 10TB of data on a RAID system. You can get a cheap enclosure for that purpose - I've seen 3 and 4 bay enclosures for under $100. I think it's important to plan for future needs. Otherwise, you'll end up with a bunch of single external drives. But I hear you about the expense. | |
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| 09-10-17 02:57pm - 2660 days | #12 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
Not that anyone cares, but I finalized my backup solution with my new iMac. Some may call it extreme, but I feel safe now. It's been a back and forth process and involved several returns (Amazon and B&H rule when it comes to returns) and lots of questions on the various forums. It's been quite a learning experience. Maybe my experience will help someone else. I bought two USB 3.0 JBOD 4-bay enclosures. JBOD = just a bunch of disks - for real, as opposed to a NAS or RAID enclosure. Frankly, RAID confused me -). RAID is also more expensive and seemingly overkill for a simple backup issue. Each bay holds up to a 10TB drive though I plan to fill mine with 8TB drives. That will give me 32TB of storage on one enclosure with the other enclosure for backup. That should meet my needs well into the future. I also needed a backup solution for my music which is over 1TB. This is more important to me than all the videos in the world. I bought two external 2TB WD Passports which are very cheap nowadays. One is for storage and the other is for backup. And last, I bought a 1TB Passport for my computer backup - I got the smallest local drive (on my iMac) at 512GB, though it's SSD and as fast as lightning. All in all, I will eventually have 11 drives not counting my local computer drive! That's 4 drives for each enclosure and the 3 external drives for my music and local backup. Seems ridiculous, no? Whatevuh, it meets my needs and I have the space and I'll hopefully never have to go through a painful loss again. | |
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