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| 11-17-10 09:27pm - 5110 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
A Look Into The Mind Of A Freeloader So, I was recently at a site specializing in indexing shemales and the scenes they are involved in. This site has a forum and I noticed a lot of the forum involves people asking for links to free scenes. Well, after seeing this and getting a bit frustrated, I replied and mentioned maybe it may be easier to pay for the scene this person wants and how it may be better for the future of porn. I thought this exchange which appears to be just starting may interest some to give some insight on how people who don't want to pay for porn think. Here it goes so far: The other person up until my response which I will copy and paste is angered that everyone has posted broken links to a scene that he or she wants. My response: "Why don't u actually go to her site and pay for it. If you want more content of these two, then give them some income so we can all enjoy more content instead of asking for freebies. Or, be a scumbag and get it free. Best of luck." His or Her response to my reply: "I will be a scumbag as you put it, and continue to get all of my videos, music and programs for free. I don't pay for sites like that, cause they are not worthy of their hefty costs. Example: Kimber James' site has 15 hours of video...only 15 HOURS...WTF??? Yet costs $25 a month...I don't know about you, but I'd fly through that 15 hours in the first day or two...and still pics do ABSOLUTELY nothing for me. So, financially its not worth it." My response: "Okay but don't bitch when there is no new content to get when all sites go under from freeloaders. And btw, that site is only $19.95 (like 4 drinks at a bar) and for $35 u can get a multi site pass to like 14 solo model sites which includes Kimber James, Sarina Valentina, Bailey Jay, and plenty more..just saying. Sorry I'm an advocate for paying for the content I enjoy. Not all my agree with me, but to each their own, right? Good Luck and ttyl.." No reply thus far. I just thought us paying members may be interested in how a person who freeloads thinks because this is actually my first encounter firsthand with someone who advocates getting things for free. I will update his or her response in any is available if anyone else is interested in it. What are all of your thoughts on this thought process? Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 11-17-10 09:44pm - 5110 days | #2 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It's kind of hard to win people over when you call them a scumbag if they want to get things for free (even if it's true). If someone's not willing to pay up (or down) they're probably not willing to listen to a suggestion from someone who happily does pay. Or you could just cut to the chase and say "Hey idiot, stop being a fucking cheapskate!"  It's kind of a something-for-nothing Catch-22 for them because in order for a site to be "worthy" it has to offer enough content for the monthly price or otherwise be free, but the site won't have enough content to justify the price until people pay for it and stop demanding free content. (I think I lost myself on that one!  )Nothing in life is really free though... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 11-17-10 10:02pm - 5110 days | #3 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
You're totally right about the scumbag part but I'll be the first to admit I don't think I was completely attempting to win him or her over. Moreover, I was really just attempting to see what pitiful response would happen when they tried to conjure up why they are freeloading. It's funny because this certain person has asked for free content on dozen of different sites content, including a few sites which offer thousands of videos which I have joined and took me almost 6 months to sift through the content. Of course, this is a convienent excuse to say that the sites content is not worth the money. But, to argue that and using this persons estimated 'hours of footage' at 15 at $19.95, that's actually quite a lot of entertainment for the price. Of course, many sites offer much more at like thousands of hours for the same price, it's still a moot justification in my book. I totally understood your remark that you thought u confused yourself on  It's like, no matter what is said, the freeloader will always look at there being a 'reason' for not paying. While most of them understand that if the site does not get money, then the content will end but they never think, 'well if I don't pay, I'm just one person, and I'm sure others do, so it's not me ruining the sites progress'. The funny part also is this person is suggesting the site's content is not worth the money but is so desperately searching for the scenes for free...lol Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 11-17-10 10:15pm - 5110 days | #4 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
You can see the same thing around this site too, and I often can't keep my own mouth shut  Like the occasional comment being pissed off not getting to do a site rip on a trial subscription. Or being cut off after downloading 100gigabytes in a day and going around the internet getting his "rage on" over the injustice.Some people believe they are paying for bandwidth, and there must be sufficient content on the site to max out his internet connection for the full duration of the subscription. I've been in my fair share of arguments around here after a comment "This site was down for an hour this evening with no explaination!!!!! Dammit this is no way to treat paying customers!!!!! They are just scum just doing anything they can to screw me out of money!!!!!" Granted I haven't seen much like this lately around here, thankfully.  Ah well  Edited on Nov 17, 2010, 11:08pm | |
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| 11-17-10 10:20pm - 5110 days | #5 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
The internets does strange things to people. | |
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| 11-17-10 11:09pm - 5110 days | #6 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Yeah - if your aim was to have a conversation with the person, to draw out more of what they thought, I would agree that calling them a scumbag was probably not the right step to take - lol. I think that's pretty typical rationale - It's not worth it for me to spend the money, so I'll get it for free instead. I check out a lot of forums that post links to promos/samples. The other day some guy had me laughing out loud, posting something about "Hey! I've looked through all 34 pages of this thread! You guys aren't posting the whole sets!" - like he had just discovered America. | |
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| 11-18-10 01:21am - 5110 days | #7 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
justme and guys.. This is what really disheartens me about my site sometimes. I have no download limits and all of my live 121 customers get free access to my site to create a community (and they can see themselves in the videos etc). These "site rippers" don't realise that this is not a money making operation for us... rather a labour of love. I get totally gutted when I realise that $1.99 gets them most of my content.. I'm not a huge company with a dedicated server.. just a littlen. I've looked at download limits.. but why punish the true payers?? DRM is just a joke and a pain in the arse... but I'm beginning to think, they may be no choice! xx Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-18-10 10:22am - 5110 days | #8 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I think I feel the same about those unlimited 3 day trials as I do about downloading freebies. Someone with a high speed connection can download a considerable amount of material for $ 1.99. In this case what's the difference? The site owner is being robbed, but seeing that they offer the trial in the first place ..... ??? If I were a site owner I wouldn't have trials but have a very good tour instead with top notch samples to help people make up their minds. Same as I can't understand those who rip a site. Why would they want all the content if 80% of it will most likely not be to their liking (judging by my own taste). I most recently subscribed to two sites where I didn't download a thing for days at a time. The behavior of site rippers reminds me of those reality TV shows about hoarders and pack rats. | |
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| 11-18-10 11:00am - 5110 days | #9 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Think about what you wrote. That description applies to a large segment of the PU members as well. I am more of a pack rat than a connoisseur of porn. I download a lot of material, much of which is stored on my hard drives and not even looked at more than once. So why store it? In the chance I can look it over again sometime in the future. But in the meantime, I am constantly looking for even more material to download. So the chance that I will be able to leisurely look over my collection grows smaller and smaller, as my collection grows larger and larger. That's why I say I am a pack rat. I imagine the same applies to many of my fellow PU members. It would be more intelligent to be a collector, and to keep only the finest and best photos and videos. But I don't operate that way. And deleting porn content, unless it's really crap, is difficult for me. | |
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| 11-18-10 11:20am - 5110 days | #10 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Its a shame that the reviewing process seems to "highlight" unlimited trials as a good thing.. otherwise I'd certainly stop them!.. The good tour?? - I'm working on that already. x Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-18-10 11:33am - 5110 days | #11 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You are more even tempered than I, mistresskent! If I were a webmaster and had to watch the abuse in connection with unlimited trials day after day I'm afraid my blood pressure would force me to abandon trials and let the chips fall where they may. Believe it or not I have not ever subscribed to a site on a trial basis because I know I would most likely take advantage of their "unlimited" offer and would feel guilty if I downloaded too much for my $ 1.99. But then I'm a bit of a queer duck! It's just that I feel if people put their money into a labor of love (talking now about smaller specialized sites not the Mega Sites) they should get a financial reward out of it. | |
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| 11-18-10 11:53am - 5110 days | #12 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User  Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
Another freeloader argument I've seen is "I'd never pay for porn because I'll never pay to have sex". I've also read freeloaders publicly declare they are so utterly pissed at their favorite model about getting a tit job or tattoo or deciding to quit doing anal or whatever that they've decided to stop downloading their scenes as a vengeance. Like by some butterfly effect it would matter something somewhere. | |
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| 11-18-10 01:22pm - 5110 days | #13 | |
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Basil (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 11 Registered: Jan 11, '10 Location: Raleigh |
A lot of people (even really good persons) would choose to steal, kill, rape, etc and it's only laws/police stop them from doing that and turn into a good members of society. BUT! There will be no more "FREE" any more soon, check this out http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1828922520101118  Internet is complete mess now and old laws were written for old internet. Now it's time for more strict regulations no matter if we like them or not, they are required. Everybody hate speed limits or road rules but imagine what would've happened if we didn't have them at al?! Same deal with Internet now. I guess later next year we'll see a lot of big pirate sites like going down because DOJ is generally very prompt when it comes to action. Time will tell... WeAreHairy.com Basil | |
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| 11-18-10 06:27pm - 5110 days | #14 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Oh, yeah - I'm sure that will be the complete end of internet piracy. | |
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| 11-18-10 06:55pm - 5109 days | #15 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't think you called that person a scumbag has much as implied that stealing content was a scumbag attitude. It is and I agree with you. The amazing thing is that all these freeloaders don't realise that at some point there won't be any porn worth stealing because their actions will have killed most of the sites they are stealing content from. I take my hat off to you for having attempted to change someone's mind. Who knows your point of view may have helped open the eyes to some freeloaders. We all know that when a freeloader starts to pay for porn that a porn angel gets her wings. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-21-10 07:50am - 5107 days | #16 | |
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BenThruston (0)
Active User Posts: 16 Registered: Nov 11, '10 Location: USA |
FWIW, far as freeloader is concerned long as there's homemade porn, he can make due. Like it goes, hard to miss what you ain't got. Some are just cheap bastards like that. I know...I'm a cheap bastard myself. | |
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| 11-21-10 02:57pm - 5107 days | #17 | |
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gonzooprano (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 40 Registered: Oct 17, '10 Location: Atlanta,Ga. |
I dont think the federal government really cares what happens to this business. In fact I think they all would prefer we just went away. | |
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| 11-21-10 03:19pm - 5107 days | #18 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Much as I disapprove of porn piracy, US Law can only apply in the US. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 11-21-10 05:09pm - 5107 days | #19 | |
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happyending (0)
Active User Posts: 15 Registered: Aug 04, '09 Location: Mars |
How many people do you know who has never ever pirated a single file, mp2, mp3, etc? I am sure all internet users are guilty of piracy in their lifetime, but their interests turned when they are on the other side of the table making content instead of downloading content. I pay for porn, but I do not ridicule those who do not. I am sure even Michael Dell probably downloaded some free pictures back in his college dorm using the BBS. Edited on Nov 21, 2010, 05:16pm | |
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| 11-21-10 06:53pm - 5106 days | #20 | |
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Basil (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 11 Registered: Jan 11, '10 Location: Raleigh |
You're right But content piracy or copyrights violation is crime in every country, plus ICANN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icann) is USA company that controls all top level domains... no need to tell you what they can do.Piracy is inevitable, it always was and always will be. However now we're living like in the Wild West because the extent of piracy is absolutely ridiculous, mostly because laws were written for the old times but it is changing now. As for freeloading - we're all freeloaders, it's a part of human nature. Who minds getting something for free? Say you're a car dealer and want to offer me or anybody else a new car for 30k or just give it away for free... guess what would I choose If I take for free will it make me a freeloader? Probably. But the thing is that nobody offers free cars so we have to work hard to buy them or otherwise just use the bus. If I can't get a movie for free I'll read a book from the local library or spend time some other way. Conclusion: Piracy allows people to possess something that under normal circumstances they would never have, and it's not because they are freeloaders but because they have a choice of getting something for free that they gladly use  | |
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| 11-21-10 07:22pm - 5106 days | #21 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
If PayPal were given the legal authority to refuse payment transactions to filesharing hosts, that'll put a huge dent in the most convenient, and most prolific form of piracy. Edited on Nov 21, 2010, 07:27pm | |
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| 11-21-10 07:26pm - 5106 days | #22 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Our federal government would be saddened if porn went away, they are some of the biggest viewers of the smut! http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/sec-pornograph...es/story?id=10452544 | |
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| 11-21-10 09:55pm - 5106 days | #23 | |
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gonzooprano (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 40 Registered: Oct 17, '10 Location: Atlanta,Ga. |
I didnt say they didnt watch it. Hell Ive seen buys for VOD come directly from Vatican City over the years. You think anyone there is going to publically come out pro porn? | |
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| 11-24-10 10:58pm - 5103 days | #24 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
I think you are right when I said that remark. I just feel it's a scumbag thing to do and us people who pay are surely in the minority these days. Thanks for the support, however, I truly felt I probably would not change this persons mind but maybe help others be aware that freeloading hurts in the long run. Who knows, after this, all this person did was argue with me more about the subject and come up with convenient excuses as to why they are looking for free porn. Oh well, I tried Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 11-25-10 06:36pm - 5103 days | #25 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
You're probably right about not changing that persons mind but you probably changed someone else's. It's for sure that anyone reading your back and forth argument would have gotten a different perspective than if all they ever get is that downloading free porn isn't really stealing it because they would never have bought it because it's crap. I've always been of a mind that you let your wallet do the talking for you. You don't like something then don't buy it. You don't like something so you'll steal it just sounds stupid. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-28-10 01:01pm - 5100 days | #26 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I just saw your comment for the first time lk2fireone. What you are describing is exactly the way I do things, so count me in when it comes to that type of pack rat! I was talking about ripping a site: getting all the material without even looking if you might like it or not! There is a difference. I usually watch a video in flash or open a picture set while I'm on line to see what's inside before I download it I really think there's moral divide between that sort of behavior and "emptying" a site of its contents just because you can. BTW, the reason I returned to this subject is an article I read today that might be of interest to all: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-2002391...mp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | |
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| 12-05-10 10:15am - 5093 days | #27 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Collecting is, or can be, compulsive behaviour. I am currently in the process of purging my collection to get it to more manageable levels. I am forcing myself to be more selective. It is a bitter-sweet process. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-05-10 10:43am - 5093 days | #28 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Isn't it funny that I have started to do the same thing, Cap'n? Partly because I was being overwhelmed by all the accumulated material, partly because if I don't I'll have to get a FIFTH external drive. Enough's enough! | |
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| 12-05-10 07:22pm - 5092 days | #29 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I only have one external hard drive and I'll have to get a second one very soon because I've run out of space on the first one and I'm about to do the same with the internal one. I'm procrastanating because I have to clean and organise my collection. I know that I have duplicates and I think that I've got duplicates of my duplicates. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-06-10 08:57am - 5092 days | #30 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Yeah, I come across duplicates of duplicates as well, Pat! | |
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| 03-18-11 08:15pm - 4989 days | #31 | |
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Lost500 (0)
Active User Posts: 2 Registered: Mar 18, '11 |
Torrents are great! Free pron, no one can deny that is fantastic. Respect to torrents. | |
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| 03-19-11 09:34am - 4989 days | #32 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Here's an idea for the paysites if they want to beat the free sites at their own game: pool resources and offer a site (or sites) that cost no more than a subscription to one of the file sharing services and keep such sites free of annoying advertising. In other words, offer the same kind of thing, but better for the user than the free sites can. I think you'd then see the free sites getting less traffic and the sharing services fewer subscriptions. The revenues could be shared by the pay sites that post their material there. It wouldn't generate as much revenue as a regular pay site would, of course, but it would be better than none at all. And that way, they might not have to bother themselves as much with legal action, which is also expensive. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-21-11 04:20am - 4987 days | #33 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
Nice idea but I don't think it could work. When you consider a premium membership to a file sharing site costs, what, $10 a month? For that $10 the user can download not only porn but also games, movies, music, TV shows basically anything that can be digitally distributed can be digitally distributed illegally. Add to that the fact that any smart "pirate" is not going to be paying for a file sharing account anyway. How can a legit site compete with that? At the risk of over simplifying the issue, I think people fall into 3 groups. The pirates that would never pay for it anyway, the guys that would never consider pirating and buy all their porn and the people in the middle who will download some for free and pay for some. Spending time, money and energy pursuing the hardcore pirates I think is totally counter intuitive. They would never have bought your stuff so you have not lost a single penny by them downloading it for free. I personally think that the best way to solve this is to focus on the people in the middle and make it as easy as possible for them to get the content they pay for. Why, when they can very quickly download the entire contents of a pay site in a couple of clicks via illicit means would a user sign up for a pay site? Sites put all sorts of barriers up to protect their content, download limits, speed limits, banning download managers, drm, not providing zipped pictures, making you go through 20 clicks to download a single scene etc. When a user has to go through all that to get their legitimately paid for porn is it any wonder so many say screw it and download illegally? The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 03-21-11 04:45pm - 4987 days | #34 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
First off, nice Frank Zappa quote in the tag line. The point you make about those who wouldn't pay a red penny for any of it isn't relevant. We're only talking those who would pay something. Since there are plenty of pay-to-use file sharing services out there, it's clear enough that such people exist. You do make a good point that not only porn but other stuff is also available to people who sign up for a file sharing service. So my idea would only work for those who would sign up principally for the porn. If the porn content creators had even a blog-style site to which they'd upload their content and charge $10 per month for it as a flat fee, the question would be if that's better for a user than the boards that have the shitty malware and image hosts and annoying pop-ups and window-closing scripts and so on. I think it would be. But it might well not work anyway because the content creators wouldn't want to charge less than they already do. I can understand that. And then, effectively nothing will change. You're certainly right that pay sites shouldn't be shooting themselves in the foot, if I may paraphrase, by putting in hurdles themselves (drm, no zips, screwy clicky naviation, etc.). And I'll add advertising as well. Not many do that, fortunately, but those that do put themselves at a disadvantage when the ads are done intrusively. Even MetArt does that occasionally. You log in and right away get this popup thing asking you to "upgrade." Fuck that interruption of what you're doing there. They should stick to spam, if anything, for making such offers. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-22-11 06:42am - 4986 days | #35 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
While I agree with most of what you say, the thought that file sharing site are just havens of spyware and viruses is not true. While there are of course some sites like that, they won't be around for very long as the user community will not put up with it. During my time working in the porn industry one of my tasks was to investigate some of the ways that content was being illegally distributed. I think you would be surprised at just how safe, well organized and designed some of the top file sharing communities actually are. It is quite shocking when you think about how much effort has gone into a file sharing site which the owners generally make no money vs. the horrible members areas of some sites that look like they were knocked together during someone's lunch break with popups and cross sales galore. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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