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11-18-10 06:40am - 5148 days | Original Post - #1 | |
Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Those damn tattoos - once more Maybe I'm turning into an 'old timer' - and not really being what some call up-to-date... But a lot of places at the - now - US pornscene (Europe will come later, as usual) actors with an overwhelming amount of tattoos are increasing. Normally like most PUs I do not take much notice of male actors - but some are so far out, that it ruins the whole deal. Like: just watched a scene with Lela Star (she has now covered most of her body with tats, alas) - but here she is with this, I think Lupe-guy (now former, maybe - who keeps track): Evan Seinfeld in a clip called: 'Rockstar Pimp'..... Oh yes, he looks like a pimp, for sure - or rather an outlaw biker pimp - not only totally covered with tats, but also a stupid/dirty mouth, biker outfit and an amount and size of finger rings that's directly tasteless ect. AND another Lela Star one with this even more tattoo-covered jerk and a 1980th-hairstyle - so dumb looking, that you just delete that file as fast as possible... Is this the new porn - This user certainly hope NOT. PS: After this I really feel like going back the sweeter, softer kind of porn... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Nov 18, 2010, 06:56am | |
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11-18-10 07:51am - 5148 days | #2 | |
lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I dislike tattoos on men. I dislike them even more on women. But in the last few years, I am seeing tattoos on more and more men and women, who are not actors, but regular, every-day people, of all ages. You see tattoos on girls who are in their teens, their twenties, and older. And it just seems the thing to do. These are not far-out chicks, but regular people. So I've learned to accept tattoos as something people do to themselves. I don't like it, but since I have no control over it, it's just something people do. I prefer women with no tattoos, no piercings. But that's just me. There must be millions of men (and women) who think tattoos are cool. I'm just not one of them. | |
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11-18-10 08:00am - 5148 days | #3 | |
lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
If your tastes do change (stranger things have happened), I reviewed a site called Rock Star Porn Star. The male talent is a heavily tattooed guy who acts like he is king of the world, and who likes to strut his stuff and bang wild women. I only gave the site a score of 70, because I didn't like a single video at the site (this guy is in every video at the site). But for $9.95/month, you get this site and a number of better sites (it's part of the netFameSolutions network, which has some nice sites). Just thought I would throw this idea at you. You don't have to throw it back at me. | |
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11-18-10 09:49am - 5148 days | #4 | |
messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I agree with you, Denner. A few discrete tattoos here and there might be fine but these days male and female talent alike are covered with them! My biggest shock was with ATK Natural and Hairy. All those models with tattoos and piercing .. a far cry from "natural." Of course, as someone else pointed out it is becoming natural in the real world so I guess in a way they are still being true to their niche. | |
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11-18-10 10:18am - 5148 days | #5 | |
Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Maybe we are just an outspoken minority? Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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11-18-10 11:04am - 5148 days | #6 | |
lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Capn, I have to admit, I have seen very few people on the streets of Los Angeles who are wearing a costume like yours. | |
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11-18-10 02:50pm - 5148 days | #7 | |
RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
So far, three people have responded in agreement to Denner's disdain for tattoos - now I'm adding a fourth. And we're all around 50*. Coincidence? I don't think so. I do think tattoos are, for the most part, another generational preference - like the shaved vs. natural debate. *Editted to put Denner's age back where it belongs - Sorry, Denner! :laughs: Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. Edited on Nov 18, 2010, 09:40pm | |
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11-18-10 06:23pm - 5147 days | #8 | |
messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Denner won't like this, he's only 48! But I get what you mean and happen to agree .. there are definitely generational preferences, that's why it is so hard for those of us over fifty to find something we find exciting. The market usually caters to the young and we are increasingly being left out. | |
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11-18-10 06:37pm - 5147 days | #10 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm only 44 so not yet in the 50yrs old club but I also do not like tattoos on women or men. A little one that is hard to see and identify is one thing but these days we are seeing full sleeves, back tattoos or multiple tattoos all over the place. Evan Seinfeld was married to Tera Patrick and pretty much anything she did after that relationship started was pure crap. Whether he had an influence on her choice of her choosing him was a sign. She got a very large sleeve tattoo on her right arm. Sadly he's dating Lupes Fuentes so how long do you think before she starts to sport some lovely large tattoos? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-18-10 10:23pm - 5147 days | #11 | |
graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Just a fad, Denner.....it, too, will pass....admittedily not soon enough for me, though. I solely wish, optimistically in my lifetime, tats would take-a-hike... and drag along with it shaved pubics, stuffed boobs, piercing, and body-decorations dangling like Christmas tree ornaments. Edited on Nov 18, 2010, 10:26pm | |
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11-19-10 04:01am - 5147 days | #12 | |
monty2222 (0)
Active User Posts: 49 Registered: Feb 20, '09 Location: Denmark |
The two tattoos I don't like are the "tramp stamp" on the lower back and the Playboy bunny regardless of its position, the latter just makes me think of an old man and that's just not cool. Besides that they can have as many or as few tattoos as they like, I won't mind and in some cases I might appreciate someone with lots of tattoos. Like Scarlett Pain. | |
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11-19-10 06:42am - 5147 days | #13 | |
Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I hate them both on men and on women. You can add another 50 year old negative vote. I agree with nearly everything that has been said. I dislike tattoos so much I find it spoils a scene even if it's the male that has the tattoo. Any female with any tattoo I find a complete turn off. It's like watching people with cancerous growths or six inch moles having sex. All I can see is the tattoo. Think I need Exotics to put me in some sort of hypnotic trance to make me find them attractive. | |
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11-19-10 07:46am - 5147 days | #14 | |
Horndog (0)
Active User Posts: 17 Registered: Jun 30, '08 |
I'm adding another negative response in the hopes women in porn and women considering going into porn will get the hint and stop mutilating themselves. LADIES, PLEASE STOP GETTING TATTOOS AND PIERCINGS! | |
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11-19-10 09:55am - 5147 days | #15 | |
messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I could never see myself kissing a nipple that has a metal stud in it! Or have oral sex with someone with a pierced clitoris hood. The thought is distasteful. Not that I would ever be in a position to do the above. | |
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11-19-10 04:02pm - 5146 days | #16 | |
Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I'm with Denner. I don't like tats; I don't like tats on tails; and I don't like tatty tails! (Or tatty tits, for that matter.) Maybe one of us ought to do a parody of Green Eggs and Ham. Now that's a classic that our 50-ish generation can appreciate! I was looking at some recent pics of Jenna Haze, who is so hot and boner-inducing that no further "assistance" is required. And she's a smart one! No fake tits, no annoying tats! Just one absolutely fabulous birthday suit! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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11-19-10 06:46pm - 5146 days | #17 | |
turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I hope you're not including ear piercings, otherwise you'll only be looking at mostly guys and maybe a few girls who are not wearing earrings for a scene. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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11-19-10 07:00pm - 5146 days | #18 | |
turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I agree this is a generational thing. You older PU'ers don't seem to have much love for the tattoos or piercings, while the younger members, well, we'll take our ladies any way we can get them--in porn or real life! I don't think I could bring a girl home, find out she has a "sexy" tattoo or piercing only to say "Uh, I think you're going to have to leave. I don't like that." In fact the proper/polite response is a complement or an enthusiastic . Maybe women have changed since your guys' days and we younger users don't want to be chastised for criticizing what they choose to do to their bodies. Or we're just don't care as long as we get laid. Who knows what will happen with the next generation (Gen Z? They're running out of letters) and in 15-20 years the youth will reject tattoos and multiple piercings as boring and cliche, asking "What the fuck were you guys thinking, mom and dad?" "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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11-19-10 08:51pm - 5146 days | #19 | |
hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I agree with this 173%. | |
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11-19-10 10:59pm - 5146 days | #20 | |
PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I'm in my 50's - I like 'em on women, not much on men | |
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11-20-10 02:28am - 5146 days | #21 | |
Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
That's a pretty fair-minded way of looking at it. (But I wouldn't kick a lady out just because one of her "hidden" tats suddenly saw the light of day. That would be really insensitive.) About 10 years ago, I went through some of my old clothes from the 1970's. Those enormous lapels! Indeed, what were we thinking? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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11-20-10 03:17am - 5146 days | #22 | |
Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
LOL - I was small kid in the 70s. I strongly suspect that what people wear now will be frowned upon (or plain laughed at!) in 20-30 years. Thankfully I've never followed fashions anyway. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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11-20-10 08:51am - 5146 days | #23 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Jenna Haze is the pornstar that every girl should emulate. She started doing hardcore right away. She never altered her body and I'm sure there must have been some pressure to do so. She stopped doing hardcore for a few years and that helped her garner some new fans and then came back to do more hardcore. All natural, small breast, no tattoos and an amazing porn performer. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-20-10 08:54am - 5146 days | #24 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
My question to you is do you care if one of your favorite performer changes her looks with tattoos and piercings or do truly not care one way or the other? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-20-10 10:11am - 5146 days | #25 | |
hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Jenna Haze is a specific set of circumstances that I'm not sure will be duplicated again anytime soon. The most important of which was being contracted early on in her career, which meant she didn't have to worry about getting bookings while she was making a name for herself. With the basic current demise of the contract girl, in addition to the effects of piracy/recession on the porn industry (pick your choice) you're now in a situation that makes it very hard to follow that career path. Not impossible, but most girls just aren't going to be able to do it. | |
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11-20-10 10:57am - 5146 days | #26 | |
Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
I was chatting with two mid-20's girls in my office yesterday about tats in general. They are attractive and both said they don't see why anyone would do a big tat on any part of their body. They are OK with a small, discrete tat on, say, the neck or wrist, and a reasonably sized "tramp stamp" on the back but not the huge tattoos that cover an arm or such. They said that tat's are not really that cool any more in their circles and that if they would want a tattoo they would use the stick ons and not go the full needle route. I'm really hoping that's the case and that future models abstain from tat's. | |
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11-20-10 01:55pm - 5146 days | #27 | |
Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I hope that is the case too! Cap'n Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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11-20-10 06:59pm - 5145 days | #28 | |
PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I don't see how Jenna was in any especially unique circumstance, aside from being Jenna and being someone that was really ambitious, but on her own terms. There are lots of companies that have contract girls. Lots of women have been contract stars and haven't followed Jenna's path. In fact, I can't think of anyone that has followed Jenna's path: Started out as an anything-goes girl Signed as a contract girl with the most Vanilla porn company around Got in a relationship with a guy and stopped doing boy/girl porn for several years Went back to being a VERY busy independent anything-goes girl Did it all as an all-natural bod Started her own porn company that only hires female performers with natural boobs. Her role models in the industry, women that she looks up to more than anybody else, are Joanna Angel and Belladonna, both of whom are very independent and have carved very distinct paths for themselves, and both of whom are tatted up more than 90% of all the woman in the industry. | |
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11-20-10 07:16pm - 5145 days | #29 | |
graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Having seen so much commentary on this forum about this girl, I decided to look her up on SkinVideo, a site I perpetually subscribe to. For those who're interested, there are numerous vid clips of her there. I have to completely agree with those extolling her physical attributes...she's indeed a knockout. But with all due respect, she needs major overhaul of attitude adjustment. She is "dirty" talking incessantly during her acts -- which I find annoying. She makes it very clear we're profoundly honored to be her audience, and tells us in no uncertain terms. Soliloquizing as she skillfully strips, her dialogue is pumping with subtle humiliation of the poor sweating male facing his monitor as he's wacking his pecker. At the expense of raising the ire of those who thinks she hung the moon, let me just say I'm simply calling it as I see it..... | |
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11-20-10 08:09pm - 5145 days | #30 | |
hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
There WERE a lot of companies that had contract girls. Now, there are only about 4 or 5 (Digital Playground, Zero Tolerance, New Sensations, Adam & Eve, and whatever the name of the company that has Amy Fisher (yes, that Amy Fisher) under contract). And Zero Tolerance (Sarah Sloane/Vandella and Kagney Linn Karter) and Adam & Eve (Alexis Ford & Teagan Presley) both only have 2, and New Sensations only has 1 (Ashlynn Brooke). Vivid, THE studio for contract girls, has NO contract girls right now. Zero. Contract girls are, by and large, going the way of the dodo. Edit: News around the porn world is that Zero Tolerance just dropped Sarah Vandella. So the number is now even lower. Edited on Nov 22, 2010, 06:24pm | |
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11-20-10 08:18pm - 5145 days | #31 | |
gonzooprano (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 40 Registered: Oct 17, '10 Location: Atlanta,Ga. |
Evan has been tattooed way back to the days when he was Hoyt on Oz and plucking the bass for Biohazard. An interesting aside is that his ex wife Tera Patrick actually pursued him. Tattoos used to be a rarity and now you see them as more common places. I know that a lot more of the european models are showing up with them. Its just like the 70s when the girls all had a full unkept muff. Most of us didnt care because they were way into the sex. Personally I like women with and without them. But I think the ink is going to be around for quite sometime if the abundance of shaved models are any indication. | |
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11-21-10 08:32am - 5145 days | #32 | |
elephant (0)
Active User Posts: 585 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Tattoos are major passion killer for me, so many American porn stars have them which is why I favour the Eastern Europeans women but even they seem to of started getting them. They are just horrible to me, which is strange as I love art, on the body though I'd rather see a girls naked skin minus any tats. I too hate the tramp stamp and any tats near the pussy, neck, on the tits or legs are even more a major turn off. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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11-21-10 08:51am - 5145 days | #33 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I took a quick look at some of the videos of Jenna a skinvideo and most of these are when she started in porn. I don't know her but I've followed her career and she regularly post on another forum and I never got the feeling that she had any negative views of her fans. She does like to play a role on screen which may not be how she is in real life but she realises that porn is a fantasy. I've noticed that she's still pretty hardcore but less so in a vocal way. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-21-10 09:03am - 5145 days | #34 | |
PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Jenna's a pro. If she's doing a scene for someone else, she'll do what they ask her to do - whether that's playing naive or slutty or bitchy or whatever. Anybody that thinks they're getting the real personality of someone by watching a porn vid of theirs is probably mistaken - particularly since you don't know what the director/producer asked them to do in the scene. Jenna's pretty generous with her fans and appreciative of them, from my interactions with her, mainly chatting with her at her cam shows. I don't know what people want from these porn babes. Jenna just wants to do good work and make good money from doing it - and she's been successful at both. | |
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11-21-10 09:12am - 5145 days | #35 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree that the market being what it is these days then it's unlikely that you'll see another Jenna Haze anytime soon but a girl taking Jenna's approach to porn could do it if she played her cards right. There are plenty of young women already in porn that have chosen not to do certain sex acts that Jenna did from the beginning. Now it can be by choice because they hope that they can get a larger paycheck when they decide to do that or they don't want to do it because they simply don't enjoy it. Lexi Belle or Faye Reagan could easily repeat what Jenna did but it will require them to go hardcore and neither of these girls has chosen that approach. The big reason why Jenna got a contract is that she was such a popular performer that it was worth it for a studio to sign her. I checked IAFD and although she was a contract star to Jill Kelly studio. Other studios still released movies with her. I don't know if the other movies were filmed prior to her contract or if Jill studio saw the advantage of letting their top star get more traffic for them by working for other studios. Either way it meant that you had one of the top 5 biggest porn performer of that time all to yourself. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-21-10 09:36am - 5145 days | #36 | |
messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I am a bit puzzled by this remark, Pat. I have all kinds of hardcore scenes with Faye Reagan (Valentine). | |
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11-21-10 01:21pm - 5145 days | #37 | |
graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Pat....if you're viewing this post, take another trip to SkinVideo. Look Faye Reagan up. You'll see that messmer is right. She's doing it all. | |
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11-21-10 02:06pm - 5145 days | #38 | ||
hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
He doesn't mean hardcore as in solely b/g. He means hardcore as in things like anal and boy/boy/girl and DP, the harder sex acts. Neither of those girls does really any of that. | ||
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11-23-10 06:30pm - 5142 days | #39 | |
Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Very few women can pull off sexy and slutty with tats. You either look like a 2 dollar whore or a 200.00 one. The same is with fake boobies . Producers have not figured out what is needed for class and ass to be smooth and sexy. They think skank is sexy . Skank is dirty and nasty, not sexy. There are hardcore actresses that are straight up hot and sexxy and pull this off. But tats are risky for porn business. Since 2007 | |
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11-23-10 06:50pm - 5142 days | #40 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
That's what I meant. A Jenna hardcore shoot usually involved anal and often DP. Neither Faye or Lexi have really done these acts. Maybe a finger or a tiny toy but that doesn't compare with Jenna's work. Add the fact that Faye has only recently started doing a few B/G shoots with other guys than her boyfriend. It's hard to tell if Lexi is still active because it's really hard to find any new stuff from her. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-23-10 07:55pm - 5142 days | #41 | |
messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Boy, we'll need even more sub categories if you guys keep redefining things. I just downloaded one of Faye latest videos from RK where she is doing a gg/b. Is that soft core? | |
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11-24-10 06:16pm - 5141 days | #42 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
No need to redefine the term hardcore. It still means what it did prior to my use. I only used it to make a distinction between what Jenna did through most of her porn career VS what Faye and Lexi have done up to now. I agree that all 3 have done some serious hardcore movies but Jenna certainly did far more things like anal, DP's Gang Bangs. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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11-24-10 06:58pm - 5141 days | #43 | |
hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Lexi's definitely still active. As a matter of fact, from reading her twitter, she seems to shoot quite often. Edit: By the way, I've heard Faye Reagan say that she wants to get tattoos, but she's worried about what it would do to her career. | |
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11-24-10 07:40pm - 5141 days | #44 | |
Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, let's just hope she doesn't! Maybe it is getting harder for the girls to be popular once they're tatted up. However, there is a notable exception: Pre-tatted Emma Mae, who has just recently come on the scene and has done several hardcore scenes already. She's dazzlingly cute, but I just hope that she's doesn't add more ink to what's already there. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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11-24-10 09:17pm - 5141 days | #45 | |
hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
That's not quite what it is. What it is is that girls build up a fanbase based off of a certain image of them. If they alter that image, their original fans may (or may not) get pissed off and stop being fans, and the question becomes is the specter of losing fans worth the possibility of gaining them? So a girl that comes in already having tattoos generally doesn't have to worry about losing fans because they get any more, because their fans already knew they had them (especially when they come in already having larger ones). But someone who came in without any got some of their fans because they didn't have any, and they don't want to risk losing fans by getting some, especially when they can just wait until their career dies down/is over. You usually don't see this come into play with tattoos very much, but it's an issue a lot of the times when it comes to implants. | |
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11-25-10 06:55pm - 5140 days | #46 | |
pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I know that Lexi is still active because I visit her site from time to time but there hasn't been a single scene that made me want to join her site. Most of the stuff that's she's appeared in the last little while hasn't appealled to me either. I think she's super cute but I need far more than that to get me interested. I hope for her sake that she avoids the tattoos because that will kill her career. I don't mean her porn career but her modeling career. As far as I know she has had quite a few mainstream modeling gigs in the last few years and tattoos would probably be a major deal killer for many agencies. Of course depending on the kind of tattoo and location could also be a deal killer for her porn career if that's what she wants. It's not like you see many website or movies appearances. I just took a look at her most recent twitter post and most of them are about her wish list at Amazon. Call me crazy but why the frack would anyone buy her a gift? The other main subject that often come s up is her asking her fans to fund some guy's pet project to visit hostel in Europe so that he can review them. Maybe it's me and my jaded view of the worl but I call that a free meal. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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