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| 04-09-10 10:03am - 5329 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
PU independence/integrity We've had some threads and input concerning the relationship - if there is any - between us PornUsers - and the webmasters/siteowners. You've all seen those threads, I guess - and in my opinion we're close to a 'mexican standoff'. - NOT generally, though, but at a certain point. I was born with a kind of a common sense, I believe - with a healthy suspicion - sometimes things do not seem right - for one we have this old 'TRUST' system which is very fine - also regarding webmasters/siteowners who have friends or whatever - to place very favorable reviews. I'am glad to see, that most of our fellow PUs are aware of that - but I'm also glad, that it's quite rare, that we experience that kind of cheat. Most webmaster here are - I think - honest folks... But to keep this PU alive and well, it's so damn important, that we got that integrity - and fight any attempt to score some cheap points - by using friends ect. to make top-score reviews. BTW: How many well founded and non anonymous 'no trusts' have we seen lately? Oh, The Squirrel came up with one - and I think - well founded. It's not a matter of the old 'elitist-question' here - but a matter of getting reliable reviews and comments from other USERS..  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 04-09-10 10:25am - 5329 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Oh you summed it up perfectly Denner. I was not sure whether to say anything or keep quiet. I was worried that saying something gives even more publicity. I left two negatives recently. They were my first ever negative trust votes. I kept quiet until now, hoping something can be done about the situation. I suppose the one good thing is, it's not my site, it's Rick's and his associates. I am not sure whether they will do anything, whether they want to, or whether they can. I wondered whether I was being over concerned and a real anal retentive about things. It's good to see others are concerned too. FTR I have never left an anonymous negative. I speak my mind, but at the same time try to be fair, and not unkind. I consider those two were well deserved. | |
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| 04-09-10 10:34am - 5329 days | #3 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Agree 100% Denner and if anyone is interested. Miss Hybrid has a twitter(dotcom/screenname as here) page where she jokes about PU, posts links to her threads here, "for a laugh", "tweets" with Lars and 1BestBoy in a way that I have trouble believing is webmaster/member talk. I've been wrong before, but it makes for an interesting read. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-09-10 10:57am - 5328 days | #4 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I think I've given 2 "No" trust ratings so far, after being a PU member for about 1 1/2 years. Both ratings were non-anonymous, and were given because I thought the persons wrote reviews of sites they were not members of. Trust can be an issue, but I think that most PU members who read reviews automatically decide whether they think the review is honest, biased, reasonable, agrees with their ideas, etc. PU members can certainly disagree with what the reviewer writes, and post those disagreements in the comments. Or they can post questions or agreements or a lot of other ideas in their comments to the reviews. Khan (and other staff members?) weed out the obviously fake reviews. So I don't think that fake reviews are a big problem at PU. | |
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| 04-09-10 11:01am - 5328 days | #5 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Hey, exotics have a look at your review at the best porn review. Who wouldn't joke about the way some people on here have behaved towards me. Are you saying I should have taken it seriously | |
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| 04-09-10 01:07pm - 5328 days | #6 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
As I have said in a previous thread, I do have a good relationship with Miss Hybrid, both in Twitter (MisterLars is you are interested), and on FreeOnes (larss), where I regularly post as well. If you check, you can see that I have been a member of FreeOnes since June 2008. I first "met" Miss Hybrid about 2-3 months ago on the FreeOnes message boards during the recent Miss FreeOnes competition and have corresponded/bantered with her since then. I enjoyed her personality as much as her naked and semi naked body, and so joined her site. I was so blown away by it that I wrote a review (badly), and since then have been accused of being somehow involved with her in a more commercial way. This is not the case. I am happy to recommend her site as I have enjoyed it and continue to do so, but I get nothing for this apart from her thanks. I accept the No trust from The Squirrel, as he has explained why and has noted that he will be happy to remove that negative if I make positive contributions to the board, which I have tried to do. I'm sure that, over time, that I can earn that trust, but in the mean time, I would prefer that the innuendo stop. As I have said, you can check my history on FreeOnes quite easily, and the contributions that I make there. | |
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| 04-09-10 01:45pm - 5328 days | #7 | |
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350Z (0)
Suspended Posts: 6 Registered: Apr 08, '10 Location: UK |
Hi, My review was 100% honest.I am a happy member of the site. I also rate other sites too. (allover30, DDF, 21S, twistys etc) I could prove it by posting a screenshot of me downloading from the members area or a little shot of my cc statement with some of my details blanked of course. I don't go on twitter and I'm not a member of freeones site. The only kind of social networking I do is on facebook with people I know in person, even then I prefer to use the phone. Do you think if Lars and bestboy knew Miss Hybrid in a business sense they would be contacting her on twitter and forums. Miss Hybrids site has taken a bit of criticism, by people who are not members. Even non members asking for improvements to a site they have not even seen and maybe never join. Also Seems strange if you are not interested in miss hybrid, to snoop on her twitter site. Anyway I know my integrity is intact. I shouldn't have to justify myself here. | |
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| 04-09-10 02:28pm - 5328 days | #8 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Well, I for one have joined the site a little over a year ago and have enjoyed myself. I have never been hated on or even disrespected since I joined and have been able to join in all discussions without any ridicule from anyone. The number one thing I liked about the forum here was on topic and off topic discussions that stayed interesting, civil, and fun. However, all I see if drama drama drama the past few weeks. Shit is getting old and while I trust and enjoy all my PU buddies I have made, until this shit subsides or goes away...peace out PU forum. I'm not posting shit anymore until this stuff ends because it's becoming soap operaish and immature. I'd rather watch the E! channel lately than read this forum these days. Well, see you when this shit goes away (if it ever does) Oh btw, I'll still write reviews and reply to comments or whatever....lates again Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 04-09-10 02:47pm - 5328 days | #9 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I am sorry you feel this way. This crap can turn anyone off. We need to get all of this resolved. | |
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| 04-09-10 02:51pm - 5328 days | #10 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Exotics, I found your post interesting but tantalizing. Please let us know a bit more about what the posts are. By the way, what is she referring to about your review at the best porn review? | |
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| 04-09-10 03:01pm - 5328 days | #11 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
It's quite easy to check twitters: http://twitter.com/misshybrid http://twitter.com/misterlars http://twitter.com/1bestboy I have nothing to hide! | |
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| 04-09-10 03:03pm - 5328 days | #12 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
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| 04-09-10 03:16pm - 5328 days | #13 | |
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350Z (0)
Suspended Posts: 6 Registered: Apr 08, '10 Location: UK |
OMG I've recieved a negative trust rating. I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight. | |
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| 04-09-10 03:26pm - 5328 days | #14 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I have given larss and 350z positive trust ratings. They both wrote well founded reviews with enough information to deserve our trust. Lets not get carried away here. | |
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| 04-09-10 03:31pm - 5328 days | #15 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Larss, I trust your review to be about your true feelings and gave you a trust vote. I think you would be a good candidate for an interview as you have contributed a lot at freeones and now here. I don't think you have anything to hide. I want to know about jokes about PU, not about flirting between you and MH. Please don't overreact as we have more than enough already. In case you are unaware, Exotics is very low keyed and never gets involved in anything petty or negative and always has a postive attitude towards everything. Just the fact that he looked at twitter tells me something significant. | |
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| 04-09-10 07:09pm - 5328 days | #16 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Hey 350Z, I think the main reason people seem to not trust the reviews to the Miss Hybrid site is simply due to the sudden frequency of positive reviews from new users. I didn't really see anything in your review that would lead me to believe it isn't trustworthy, but obviously some found it a bit suspicious. Miss Hybrid looks like a perfectly reasonable site, although not my cup of tea so I doubt I'll ever join. I think PU is set up fine to deal with this issue on its own, newbie scores don't count towards the site's, and if these guys all stay and keep reviewing the sites they visit, that will be more reviews for everyone, so what's the harm? If these newbie reviews are just free marketing, then they will never count toward the site score - so what does it matter? Everyone just needs to relax a bit - it does appear as though some people are taking offense to statements that aren't intended to be offensive (on both sides of this whole Miss Hybrid debate). Was sort of trying not to get involved, but just thought I'd throw in my two cents. How about another debate on fake tits, I personally fucking hate them! Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 04-09-10 11:13pm - 5328 days | #17 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
It really depends on the tits. Some ladies look better after and some don't. For example, Aletta Ocean I actually preferred before surgery, BUT she did end up with a very nice enhanced pair. Now though, she has gone one step too far, and her tits just look silly to me. | |
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| 04-10-10 12:00am - 5328 days | #18 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Miss Hybrid, I'm not for sure which review you are referring to. Could you be more specific? For what it's worth, I defended you and other webmasters in another thread here, as I do believe we can be too harsh on webmasters. However, you then went and tweeted links to your threads here to send your fans here. To me, that is as bad as how you were treated by some of our members. I just think you jumped too fast. The members here give me flak for scoring sites too high and I've been here since the site opened. So of course they're going to be a little hard on two brand new reviewers who come in with 99 and 95 scores for a newer site. Do I think you should joke about PU/TBP? No. You're the seller. We have nothing to lose. You have everything to lose. Anyway, do you think you would have continued to get rude treatment from our members here? Some of us hadn't even had a chance to post to your first thread, welcome you and maybe re-direct the other members from being too rude to you. It's a two-way street dear. Things are not improving with two members, Lars and 1BestBoy being rude in their newer posts, they are tied to you and your site, whether you like that or they mean to be or not. Like the old Far Eastern proverb says, "As long as you flame the fire it will burn". There has to be some kind of truce here. Last, to show you the negative effect in action, I would not have found your twitter page IF not for the fact that I was looking at your samples on freeones. Samples that I was interested in enough to look up. I find you quite stunning, have always preferred late 20s/early 30s models and prefer brunettes. All things that you have. There is a link on freeones that leads to your twitter page. I was wanting to check out the possible samples in your blog, but instead read multiple comments about PU and lost interest. I will join your site in the near future, but I don't know how many others are as positive as I am on something like this. Which is my answer as to whether you should have taken it seriously. Do you wish to lose customers? Then yes, you should take it seriously. I wish you the best as I am sure the vast majority of members here do. We like the sites that play the underdog role like yours does. I'm sure that is how the kink.com sites got their start, as example. I think you, Lars and BestBoy will find that we're as easy to make friends with as we are to make enemies with. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-10-10 12:27am - 5328 days | #19 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
First Lars, there's no innuendo from me or beating around the bush. You'll find that I'm about as blunt as any member here. I don't need to accuse you of anything. The tweets I read are what I based the above part on. Here a few of those are. These are from Miss Hybrid to you as MisterLars. "I hope it goes down...if not give me a call." "Nice replies ML on PU" "Thank you mister L, tea is on the table" "Oi Mister..I hope you are putting a bit more effort in today. I had to do all the work last night while you just laid there." "i think you are needed" "i think you have some arses to kick" "I know that but you not only have a huge cock but you know how to use it" "you are in line xxx thanks for the help yesterday sweetie" "Thank you Mister Lars, I want to start some sort of thingie where members can say nice things about my site, Ideas?" I'll stop there. See? No innuendo. When you're being thanked by a webmaster for the help, you're going to be considered to be tied to site whether commercially or not. Similar to what I said above to Miss Hybrid. I'm not trying to hurt her site or your standing here as a member. Those quotes are from a public account. I didn't put them there. Also see the post below where I will list a few of the tweets to BestBoy and I think any reasonable person could see how both of you look to be more than just members/fans. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 12:50am | |
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| 04-10-10 12:44am - 5328 days | #20 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
That's one of the more interesting posts. You're talking about you shouldn't have to justify yourself here. Look up above your post in this thread. I don't see your name anywhere in it. So who is making you justify your review? The part about snooping on a twitter account, I never once said I wasn't interested in Miss Hybrid's site. I went from a freeones link that led to links Miss Hybrid puts up on her twitter account to more of her samples. So I have no idea what your point there is. Absolutely, people who work together in business, use Twitter, Facebook to stay in contact when they can't take calls and it also works as promotion as the more tweets you have, the higher your google rank, the more people who get your profile in searches. So, I don't know what your point there is either. Most importantly, why would any of us need to see your CCBill or screenshots of you downloading? I haven't seen one person say you weren't a member of her site or aren't a member of site. Your post here is full of defensiveness, talking in circles, irrelevance and seems to have no purpose except to try and jump in and defend someone who is NOT being attacked. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-10-10 01:05am - 5328 days | #21 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I'm not for sure on the review part either. I kind of thought she was maybe talking about one of my recent reviews that had a little complaining about the score being too high in it, but I'm not for sure. The reason my earliest post about the twitter was short was I was on lunch and didn't have much time to go through them. I've posted several she tweeted Lars with and here are several to 1BestBoy. From Miss Hybrid to 1BestBoy "shouldn't you be working on PU site?" "you should like it you filmed it" "number1 you should be at work just like mister Lars?" There are also several of a link to her threads here. If I'm wrong, they have my apology, but at the very least there is plenty there that shows the fanning of the flames here. And I just don't see that joke in most of these as they read like serious comments to me. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-10-10 01:31am - 5328 days | #22 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
exotics Read into it what you will. I enjoy the banter with Miss Hybrid, and she seems to enjoy it as well. Maybe it is more than just webmaster and fan, for me it has become more of a friendship, which means that I will stand up for her if I feel that I can. I do not know 1BB, and I don't think that I have ever actually corresponded with whoever that is. I could go through each of the above tweets and put them in context, for example: "I hope it goes down...if not give me a call." I recently badly damaged my knee and it is still badly swollen. I posted about this on twitter, and if you look at more of the posts, this is what it refers to. She even put a special mention for me on her blog, which made ME feel very good. "Nice replies ML on PU" I have tried to be open and honest on this forum, using sensible statement and argument without becoming confrontational. I don't always succeed, but I try. "Thank you mister L, tea is on the table" Banter "Oi Mister..I hope you are putting a bit more effort in today. I had to do all the work last night while you just laid there." Banter "i think you are needed" "i think you have some arses to kick" Refers to PU - when she felt under attack here or felt that I was being impugned, she has let me know and asked for help as a friend. "I know that but you not only have a huge cock but you know how to use it" Banter - but made me feel good  "you are in line xxx thanks for the help yesterday sweetie" Banter + PU as above "Thank you Mister Lars, I want to start some sort of thingie where members can say nice things about my site, Ideas?" She has been posting here and listening to ways to improve her site - why not ask members how to improve her site, we are, after all, the ones that actually use it. Any more? Twitter is not the best place to take single statements from. It is notoriously difficult to tie up one tweeted reply with the original tweet, so is very easy to take things out of context. | |
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| 04-10-10 01:34am - 5328 days | #23 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
I think that they look more serious than they are because you are not necessarily aware of the original context. | |
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| 04-10-10 03:06am - 5328 days | #24 | |
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350Z (0)
Suspended Posts: 6 Registered: Apr 08, '10 Location: UK |
Exotic4me - if you look in the other thread 'why don't you experts start your own site', you'll see a denner post question all 3Miss hybrid reviews. Then he imediately posts this thread. So yes I was questioned, its quite rude to be called a liar. Thats why I said, I could prove I was an actual paying member. Do you some of you guys only understand what yourselves say. My point is you went snooping on freeones and twitter to read what Miss Hybrid was saying elsewhere. If you have no interest in Miss H, then her tweets should be none of your business, why bother looking at all. Seems nosey to me. You even posted up parts of the convo's, how pathetic is that. My other point is if Lars and best boy new Miss Hybrid well in reality, they wouldn't need to contact her on twitter and forums would they. They would have other ways of contact. Your reading too much into fun banter. Lars seems a friendly decent guy who likes to have a laugh with Miss H. He is a loyal member of her site who interacts with her. Whats wrong with that?. Well my opinion is, there is no conspiracy theory detective exotics. Exotics lets nitpick you then now. You have reviewed 186 different sites. Your average site score is 84.5, you have scored 54 sites 90+. That makes you a shill doesn't it. lets question your integrity. Are so many sites really that good, or are you here to rate sites highly for other reasons of benefit to yourself. You think Miss Hybrid, her site and members have not been attacked. Are you blind. This is not a very welcoming place. I think I might join twitter and start a slag off pornusers twitterclub, since you are so interested in other people's chats. | |
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| 04-10-10 03:36am - 5328 days | #25 | |
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350Z (0)
Suspended Posts: 6 Registered: Apr 08, '10 Location: UK |
exotics4me - Just to add WTF 186 sites since jan 07 On average you have joined about 5 different porn sites a month since you became a member here. Thats not even counting the many sites you have joined again and re-reviewed them. I find that very hard to believe. | |
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| 04-10-10 04:39am - 5328 days | #26 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Dear 350Z, I gave you a trust rating and thought your review was well done. Arguing the merits of a site is fine, hitting below the belt is not. Even if you don't like what someone said, in this case exotics, doesn't make it okay to say something that is overly personal. As for myself, I don't care if you or anyone else likes HB's site, likes her, or flirts with her. It just is none of my business. However, I know exotics from his posts and reviews here. I am positive all of his reviews are from sites he has joined and every review reflects his own true feelings. He has a postive outlook on porn sites, so he gives high scores. That is it, period. You may not care about getting respect from me, but are losing mine. I have reviewed 141 sites and my reviews are most definitely reflective of my own opinions. My scores are all over the place and average about 75. I further suggest that if you want to get PUers to respect your opinions, you either review a few other sites that you have been a member of or post comments about them. You have read others post recently that they have doubts about the sincerity of new reviewers coming to PU, reviewing only site, and then giving scores over 90. Prove your sincerity by acting like an adult and apologising to Exotics. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS! Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 04:43am | |
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| 04-10-10 06:41am - 5328 days | #27 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Before I take a break here - from these a bit tiresome and not very constructive threads (you all know what they are) - I'd like to praise our friend, exotics4me for his research and inputs. I'm 100 % behind you, amigo! I look forward to less drama and trouble here at PU - and to more porn and some cosy/fun off topic threads, too ... ect. Life is too short for this shit... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 06:51am | |
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| 04-10-10 09:36am - 5328 days | #28 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
Well, you have achieved what you wanted. Miss Hybrid will no longer be posting on this forum, and neither will I. I am fed up with having to try to defend myself. I did think that I had something to offer here, but obviously my input really isn't required or even welcomed. I give up. You win. Bye PS How do I know Miss Hybrid will not be posting here again? Shock horror, we communicate by e-mail, as members and non-members alike are encouraged to do. | |
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| 04-10-10 10:25am - 5328 days | #29 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Given what has happened let me be the first to breathe a sigh of relief. I shall be very surprised if this lasts, but if it does, it will be very welcome in some quarters. I think this demonstrates how open the site is to attack. I didn't want to fan the flames but now I think is the time to draw up a plan to rescue PU from similar attacks. May I suggest no reply to any posts, negative trust votes, and a single thread or review where members can register their disapproval. They are some of my ideas. Other members may have better ones. I was caught between trying to keep quiet so as not to publicise that site any more, and registering my disgust and disapproval. Well done Denner, Exotics, Cap'n. Mbaya, RB (you certainly lived up to your name!), Panther, et al. Ed2009 you are the perfect example of a webmaster I would love to hear from more. Your posts have been tactful, intelligent, full of incite, and well expressed. You are the perfect ambassador for your site and industry. Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 10:30am | |
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| 04-10-10 10:28am - 5328 days | #30 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I edited the quoted tweets out just so this post wouldn't be overly long to scan through. While I do agree with you that the tweets could be taken the wrong way, as I said earlier I could be wrong and would apologize if so, I think you've missed the whole point of all this. I originally said that your relationship and BestBoy's did not read like regular member/webmaster relationships. What's a regular member/webmaster relationship? I pay, they provide, any problems are handled in emails. You say yourself now that there is a friendship. Quite obvious from you having a number to call her at. Now, go back to the original problem that Miss Hybrid had with members here questioning the validity of your review and of BestBoy's. Would someone who had never posted a review for any other site really be an unbiased reviewer of their friend's site? The so-called attacks on her and the first two reviews are now understood as it is seen that those were not likely unbiased. I also pointed out that she was not innocent in any of the problems here by fanning the fire here. If you read your own explanations of the tweets, it shows her giving you a virtual pat on the butt for your posts here, "defending" her or spreading the fire, depending on which side of it you're on. I just felt like there was way too much drama in the whole thing and that she was not the least bit hurt by the added promotion her site was receiving. As for you all leaving please don't turn that into drama or being pushed out. The members here had valid reasons to question the reviews and her intentions. The webmasters who have taken their lumps here have turned out some of the best sites on the internet, see Shap of Twistys, the 21st Sextury staff, Captain of Nubiles and DDF's staff. I'll stop with our back and forth with this post. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-10-10 10:46am - 5328 days | #31 | |
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350Z (0)
Suspended Posts: 6 Registered: Apr 08, '10 Location: UK |
Pornusers, as you can see some people don't want to have to explain and justify themselves over and over. They are just not that pedantic about porn. Its ok for pornusers to point the finger, single out, berate or make accusations about a site, reviews or its members. Yet if a pornuser's integrity gets questioned, then it is classed as personal attack. Personally I think Miss Hybrid is better off not returning here either. | |
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| 04-10-10 11:07am - 5327 days | #32 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
If this is indeed the end, I am truly ecstatic. I want us together to offer suggestions as to how to avoid such problems or should I call them organized attacks? Khan, what do you suggest? | |
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| 04-10-10 11:13am - 5327 days | #33 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Hi Squirrel, I am not sure what you propose as our future plan. Maybe I am being dense today, but do you mean not reply to craziness? | |
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| 04-10-10 11:23am - 5327 days | #34 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
However unbelievable you might find it, I think that's a shame on both accounts. I know how hard it can be, fighting what you see as unjust pressure to defend your opinion and I'm sorry that you feel your opinion doesn't matter. With MH, it was good to see her using this site as other webmasters do, asking for input to make her site better. On the other hand, having someone tell people to get some balls and labelling us a bunch of testosterone enraged, disturbing teen lovers won't be missed. Unless you count losing the drama a victory, nobody's won anything in all of this. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-10-10 11:29am - 5327 days | #35 | |||||
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I think you did a whole lot of twisting of words to get him calling you a liar or questioning if you paid for a membership. It's not that unusual for a webmaster to ask paying customers to give them a good review on here. Some sites used to even put a PU button on their site that asked members to review their site. As I said above, you're very defensive, but have no reason to be. You're turning this into something much more than it is.
I understand plainly what I said and what you said. You're the one that keeps missing me saying, "I AM/WAS interested in her content" when you keep saying "If you have NO interest in her". Figure that out and you could have left half of this post out. How pathetic is that? I'm a psychologist. Please keep that in mind when trying mental jabs to make me mad. I am also someone who has been a user of TBP and PU for years and know what a helpful service the site serves for honest, hard-working people to decide where to spend their money.
Funny how you started this off with the part about us not hearing anyone else but ourselves. Business associates, friends, do use the networking sites to stay in contact. What other use would those be? I agree there are other ways to stay in contact. As example, if I'm in a courtroom and no talking on cell phones are allowed, how do I get the file my assistant has? I tweet her from my phone's text function. She sends the file to my email address, I open it and just like that no phone was talked on, no disturbance of court. Thanks to twitter. Also as explained, it shows if nothing else that there is a friendship, which all but undermines the word unbiased. There is no problem with a member interacting with a model/webmaster. But I've interacted with models like on Viv Thomas' forum, that doesn't mean I have their personal phone number to reach them at though. Kind of clever how you end each paragraph with a jab.
First, nitpicking me is welcome. Second, about 70% of those sites I joined and reviewed were in the first year or 16 months I was here. I was involved in a case study of psychologists who were looking at the growth of extreme sites and niches. Seeing that I have rated 54 sites over 90 wouldn't make me a shill. A shill rates ONE site very high or one network very high then lowers the ratings for all other sites. See, just like above, the things you are saying are not making sense. I have consistently rated sites high since my first review, all sites, not just a few. My scale usually starts at 70 and ends at 99, making 84-85 the dead center. Also, probably a dozen of those over 90 have two reviews from me as I've went back to see if those high scoring sites had dropped off. Yes, that many sites are that good. Maybe you should try some of them. As example, you rate Miss Hybrid a 90 for 10 hours of video and 120 photo sets with 2-3 updates per week. Now what would you rate a site like Twistys that has 35 updates per week, HD quality video and hundreds, probably thousands of hours of videos and thousands of photo sets. All for $15 less per month than Miss Hybrid's site? My high average score comes from a couple of factors. I rarely take risks on the sites I join. There are at least 3-5 models that are in my favorites and though I shouldn't be this way, the sites I've joined that were bad, to me, were not worth the attention a review brings to a site. The few lows ones I have reviewed were because of unfair business practices by the sites.
Attacked is such a goofy word to use for someone criticizing a review or site. The bad thing with you, maybe you don't realize it, but you took a jab at pornusers in your review, "I hope that's enough detail for you pornusers". So don't say you weren't welcomed. Walk into a bar/pub and say, "Fuck you all" and see if you're welcomed. If you would look at her twitter page you would see that there are links posted all throughout it by her showing more new samples. That was my interest. Have at it with a twitter club, you all seem to go for as much drama as possible. Keep in mind that no one here had said anything else about Miss Hybrid until she posted a new thread asking us porn experts why we didn't start a site ourselves. Much like your jab in your review, she jabbed as well. I think I covered everything there and kept it as civil and adult as possible. So, I won't reply to you in this thread again, either. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |||||
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| 04-10-10 11:41am - 5327 days | #36 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Phew, and to the PU regulars, thanks. I've talked to several of our members here in emails and was starting to worry that we were going to lose some of our members. I hope that I stayed as civil as expected in all of this. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-10-10 12:00pm - 5327 days | #37 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I'd like to believe that people wouldn't actually leave here just because of some bumps in the road. Every forum that grows has some growing pains. I think this site is evolving nicely and I'm looking forward to new developments and having new members. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-10-10 12:05pm - 5327 days | #38 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
@ exotics I think you handled it pretty well given the situation you were in. As I posted earlier, I wouldn't have trusted myself to be polite, so largely I refrained from comment, much as I wanted to charge at some of the goading. My hope was by ignoring it, they would give up & move on. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-10-10 12:09pm - 5327 days | #39 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Too true. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-10-10 12:33pm - 5327 days | #40 | |
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350Z (0)
Suspended Posts: 6 Registered: Apr 08, '10 Location: UK |
I can't be arsed with this exotics4me. You might have the time for replying to every point over and over and twisting them to suit yourself, but I do not. Denner questioned the reviews FACT I'm sure did say you were not interested in Miss Hybrid, I can't be bothered to check your posts and one has been edited now anyway. Anyway if you had nothing against the site why did you have to announce Miss H's twitter chats on here, then start posting snippets of the chat, trying to be clever. I don't believe you are a psycologist. If you join 5 porn sites a month on average for over 3 years, you must not have time to eat or do anything but download porn. You must not be human and instead be a porn downloading robot. I don't believe you are married either. If you are a psycologist maybe you should realise you have the traits of a classic internet liar. Couldn't be arsed reading your the next paragraph, I don't want to read you rambling about your supposed job again. Your job has nothing to do with things, so why keep mentioning it, as if you are super intelligent. People on the internet who keep claiming to be something or other important are usually bullshitters. Yawn, next paragraph again you mention about your job in your fantasy world. Yes you could be more of a shill than anyone because you could be rewarded by a load of sites for your high scoring. Saying 'Hope there is enough detail' is nothing like saying 'fuck you all' how can you compare the two. 'Hope there is enough detail' means exactly what it says, there was actually no jab at all there. You think you are so clever don't you. Thats me out of here too. | |
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| 04-10-10 01:28pm - 5327 days | #41 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
All this junk makes me look less than raging. I resent the competition. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-10-10 03:02pm - 5327 days | #42 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I for one will not miss this ridculous attitude shown in this post. I never expected in all my life that I would be happy to learn that anyone was disabled. Maybe now we can legitimate differences of opinion without name calling. RB can I give you a second trust rating? Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 03:06pm | |
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| 04-10-10 04:00pm - 5327 days | #43 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
mbaya - I think you'd have to ask Khan, but I doubt they'll let you. I do accept PayPal, however. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-10-10 04:12pm - 5327 days | #44 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
It was obvious what was happening from the start, but there wasn't a lot that could be done. We can choose to ignore or register our disapproval. Either way they get to publicise their site because by stirring things up they get more publicity. If the shills are ignored they just continue to post, and publicise their site without any opposition. It shows how this site can be hijacked and it can and will happen again. It seems like there is no way to stop it. Obviously Rick and Khan cannot or will not help, when the shills operate under the rules of this site. In this way poor sites can drum up some new customers because there are always suckers out there. Ripoff and bad companies everywhere tend to operate under the no publicity is bad publicity philosophy, so it's going to happen again soon. Maybe members will have ideas on how to at least minimise the impact an attack has on this site. It was good to see everyone deal with it to suit their own personality. The members showed their class enough to expose what we were dealing with. They showed their true colours and we showed ours. Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 04:16pm | |
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| 04-10-10 04:38pm - 5327 days | #45 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I would be inclined to say if it happens in the future, ignoring is the best option. As I said in an earlier post, as long as they never earn more than 5 points the reviews don't mean anything, and I am sure even a visitor to the site would realize that newbie reviews don't really mean much. Perhaps the most that could be done is change the front page so newbie reviews never show up as the featured review. I don't really see what is accomplished by getting confrontational. As exotics said in one of his posts, it is relatively common for sites to try to get users to post reviews on PU, and I am sure small sites see using "friends of the site" as a good way to get some publicity. I don't think any review site can ever be 100% independent - funds to run the site come from sites that are reviewed there... Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 04-10-10 04:50pm - 5327 days | #46 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
If you chase away the people who misuse this site, I'd have to go elsewhere to get my daily confrontation fix. That's not fair! Actually, I don't see anything wrong with a newer site trying to get a little publicity from here, as long as it's done in a more dignified manner. Ed2009's been here for over half a year now and, while it turns out his sites aren't my thing, I was happy to check out what he was selling. He didn't bring in his members to gush about the sites and didn't go off the deep end with little posts to keep his name near the top of the lists. What he did do was become a contributor to our forum, and I'd be more than happy to recommend his sites to anyone who came through here, looking for his kind of content. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-10-10 05:16pm - 5327 days | #47 | |
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1BestBoy (0)
Disabled User Posts: 8 Registered: Mar 19, '10 |
Sorry peeps, I've been busy at work for the last 48 hours, so it looks like I've missed all the fun!! Never in my long life have I seen such puerile tribal behaviour. You are not worthy of being compared to hyenas. I am appalled at the unfriendly and aggressive behaviour of the small membership of this site who seem to think that porn owes them something, and that their vindictive opinions count for anything. If I am correct, I reviewed Miss Hybrids site before she was even a registered user here. (I'm sure the pack will correct me if I am wrong). As for some pathetic individual singling out some banter on Twitter, well you are very subjective, and are well able to take things out of context from your ivory tower. I live in the UK...FACT. Do I know Miss Hybrid personally...NO, I have never actually spoken to her or met her, except via her site, or twitter or many other forums that I am a member of. I resent the personal attacks on both myself and Miss Hybrid. Mister Larss has adequately expressed his own feelings on here. If you care to go to Miss Hybrids Twitter page (shock horror) and actually read through it, you will see that her followers come from all over the world...even YOUR cuntry. Do all these followers allegedly know her personally too, or is it ok to have a bit of banter with someone if you're 1,000 miles away?? (actually, a total of 13 tweets in 3 months, for all you number crunching PUs!) Shill seems to be the favourite word on this forum. Easy to say behind your amonymous avatars and user names. You are the lowest of the low.. I had not posted here recently, but I was still singled out by the porn self-abusers of this site....Raging BS, un-exotics, soon to be extinct red squirrel (you're so like Blair it's a wonder you don't have a grey one as your avatar!) Now fuck off you shower of twats, I won't be back either.....laughs, and leaves the lions den. PU...a centre of excellence for self important paranoid conspiracy theorists | |
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| 04-10-10 05:29pm - 5327 days | #48 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Berated for puerile behavior (behaviour to some of you) and leaving in a childish fit of spewing invectives. Not too unexpected. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-10-10 05:38pm - 5327 days | #49 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
They'd have been gone long ago if they didn't keep coming back to tell us they were leaving. | |
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| 04-10-10 05:54pm - 5327 days | #50 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Hot damn some angry folks supporting that Miss Hybrid. I Guess it is a good thing I didn't mention when she first posted that perhaps she should change the name of the place, as when I first saw the review for it I assumed it was a tranny site... But I suppose hybrid refers to her car?  Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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