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| 04-24-16 12:16pm - 3121 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
Recycling old material as 'updates' I have been wondering if recycling older videos and calling them new or updates is a problem with many of the straight porn sites. It happens quite a bit especially with the Russian sites in gay porn. This is a bit maddening at times as it feels like a rip-off. Most of the sites charge $25 a month as a recurring fee. There are others which charge $40 a month and do the same thing. Not all Euro sites do this and there are quite a few gems out there. I was wondering if any of those fans of straight porn has come across this. Thank you for your responses. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 04-24-16 03:06pm - 3121 days | #2 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
That happens a lot with straight sites too and you likely won't be surprised that it is often the Russian sites that do it. | |
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| 04-24-16 06:31pm - 3121 days | #3 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
I've been around enough to see this. There are also Networks that tell you they have so many updates a week, and it is true, but you find out that it is only for some of their network sites, while they have other sites that have stopped updating for years. I'm sure there is no one here who has not felt a little burned by these type of behaviors. I know it doesn't make matters better, but I just wanted you to know you are not alone. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 04-25-16 08:49am - 3120 days | #4 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
That also is a problem but at least some of the sites in the gay networks usually update with new stuff. Still, the owners need to state what sites update as we might like the other niche sites they are offering instead of the main one. They sure want to charge us. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 04-25-16 11:40am - 3120 days | #5 | |
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lazebra (0)
Active User Posts: 7 Registered: Apr 10, '16 |
Yes I have seen it quite a lot and it of course bothers me and I have left the sites that do it. However the worst of worst I found was few Russian networks back I think 10 years ago. They took this to a whole new level. They had a batch of movies in the niche I enjoyed which was find and I waited patiently for updates. However to me the updates came far to slow so I thought I will come back in a year or so to get what was new and see if they had change attitude with the regularity of updates. However it just started over with the same batch of movies able in the beginning the first time I join I had. And the updates started from the beginning with the same videos they updated with the last time. It was labelled as "new" and "just added".  Needless to say I quit and never came back. Edited on Apr 25, 2016, 11:44am | |
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| 04-25-16 11:41am - 3120 days | #6 | |
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lazebra (0)
Active User Posts: 7 Registered: Apr 10, '16 |
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| 04-25-16 11:55am - 3120 days | #7 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
That has happened with me as well and rather recently, lazebra. I rejoined the site after taking over a year off and find they have started over as I already have the material. I guess they figure we will do things like this as they collect the money. There is hope as we have sites like pornusers which lets the users write the reviews. We can explain what is going to make future users beware of what is going on. The site owners might even get involved with their sites in a positive way. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 04-25-16 02:41pm - 3120 days | #8 | |
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biker (0)
Active User Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
Exactly. I enjoy lesbian porn and have joined networks that have a couple of lesbian sites only to discover they have not been updating either of them for more then a year. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 07-24-16 12:40am - 3031 days | #9 | |
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MargulisAZ (0)
Suspended Posts: 49 Registered: Jul 06, '07 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
This happens endlessly, could spend hours listing all the sites that do this. Hate it, total bullshit. Bugs me even more than when companies like New Sensations / Digital Sin release ENDLESS amounts of compilation videos in a way that makes it seem like new content, but it's all just old scenes cobbled together like a frankenstein monster of a porn movie. | |
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| 07-25-16 08:12am - 3029 days | #10 | |
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iknowwazzup (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Jan 06, '16 Location: United States |
It happens all the time - and I guess that for many site owners, they see that it's more a problem for long-term existing members or those that may return to a site every six months or so. With new customers, they may figure that it doesn't matter. I don't know if anyone else remembers an advertising campaign from years back for one of the major television networks during their summer season of reruns? The slogan was something like, "If you haven't already seen it, then it's new to you!" I think some porn sites live by that very same motto. Still, as much as fashions haven't changed as drastically during the late 90s through to the 00s and the current decade - so recycled content from those periods doesn't necessarily smack you in the face the way something from the 70s or 80s would - you can still tell when something isn't shot recently. And the older the content is, the more likely that you might have seen it somewhere else. I guess that some sites sort of run their course, but the owners want to earn every last penny possible from the content. I don't think that's as much of a letdown if you've paid somewhere around $10 to join and there are unlimited downloads. But if I am going to pay around $30 and not be able to download anything (granted, for me, a lack of downloadable content is reason enough not to join in the first place), I definitely expect truly fresh updates on a regular basis! Anything less seems like a ripoff!  | |
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| 09-25-16 11:00am - 2967 days | #11 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I would add to this that there are many archive sites that recycle. Why would anyone pay for longer than a month if there will never be anything new? Yet, they offer multi month membership options. This is so dishonest that you could lose interest in ever paying for porn again. I think this contributes to the increase in pirating. Webmasters are contributing to their own problem by dishonest self defeating stupidity. | |
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| 09-25-16 11:06am - 2967 days | #12 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Sorry....like I said - been away for some time - but still follow the porn deals. And mbaya is absolutely right...  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 09-26-16 09:52am - 2966 days | #13 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
The idea is it is new for many newcomers to porn according to those webmasters. I think it is a rotten thing to do as it is basically lying and cheating the customer. Why not create a large site with all the older stuff and charge a one time fee? That would make money and be a bit more honest in the process. Recycling does knock a site down to a score of 60 or below in my book. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 09-26-16 11:38am - 2966 days | #14 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
What I feel is best for webmasters is to be upfront and let prospective members know that they have an archive site. Further if the price were appropriately cheap, I know I would possibly join if it looks interesting. | |
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| 09-26-16 01:00pm - 2966 days | #15 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I don't know if this is the same idea or not: But some sites re-issue older material (videos and photos) in higher definition. And they call it "new" material, with a new posting date. So, in a sense, that is acceptable to me: especially if the content is improved visually. But some porn members in the past have commented that this type of content often shows signs/defects of artifacts and other problems that translate into quality that has not improved over the older, original content. I don't remember specifically when I read about this at PU, but it was sometime in the past. I think the process is called "remastering" older content. Edited on Sep 26, 2016, 01:03pm | |
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| 09-26-16 02:54pm - 2966 days | #16 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Yes that is remastering and I would be fine with that as it constitutes improving the original. I would not be happy if they called it new and gave it a new date though. | |
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| 09-26-16 03:58pm - 2966 days | #17 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I know that some sites I've joined have just changed the posting date of their videos/photosets without remastering them So like merc77 wrote, they are recycling old material as updates. But some people won't realize this, because they have poor memories, have not been at the site before, or whatever. So if a site pays the time and money to remaster their older content, and it improves the visual clarity, I have no problem with the site giving it a new date and calling it an update. I mean, there are lots of problems with running a porn site. From a consumer standpoint, I just want a site that is easy to use, has content that I can enjoy, and gives value for the money I pay. Separately, the idea of "exclusive" content is more of a problem. Sites and networks advertise exclusive content, when that same content can be on several different sites. But the truth is: Porn sites rarely get shut down for false advertising. Look at all the sites that advertise daily or weekly updates: and haven't updated in months or years. . And yet, they almost all sell multi-month memberships, and year-long memberships, and some newbie might come along and pay for an extended membership, not realizing until later that the site is not updating. I paid for a year-long membership at some porn site, and they never updated during the time I was a member. That site has since closed. But there wasn't a review of the site at PU, so you could say I went in blind. I thought the site could have been good, because it was run by a photographer who sold some of his work to MetArt, but I guess the photographer ran into financial problems, or health problems, or whatever, and did not support the site with new updates while I was a member. | |
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| 09-26-16 04:30pm - 2966 days | #18 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
If they do remasters of old material, they should state such. Most just recycle old videos and call them new without the benefit of remastering. There is only so much remastering the old stuff they can do as it does cost money for them to do so. Many state the videos they have brought back were remastered and I am fine with that as they are not saying the videos themselves are new. The original post is about recycling older videos that have not been remastered and classify them as new. That is a problem the webmasters of those sites need to address. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 09-26-16 05:09pm - 2966 days | #19 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
The problem with the quality of remastered material is not that it costs money to do and they don't want to spend. The problem is that you can only improve poor quality video just a little bit. That is how you get something grainy, maybe even with artifacts. You can't make an old video true HD, although the specs are reasonably good. There is real HD and then there is remastered better than the original quality. | |
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| 09-27-16 05:41pm - 2965 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm okay with any site that updates with remastered content if their library contains videos going back 5 to 10 years. That is a bonus to new and older members because each will benefit from the older scene looking cleaner. I'm not okay if that is all they do and they still charge a high cost to join and I'm even less okay if they also offer long term memberships because then they are just being dishonest. Preferably a site mixes remastered content with new content so that no one feels cheated. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-28-16 11:00am - 2964 days | #21 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
This has long been a problem for many sites - the one that sticks in my mind the most was Mya Diamond's site. They had 18 months or so of material that they just continued to release as dated updates as though it was new. DDF seems to re-release a good deal of material, mixed in with the new, with no acknowledgement - when you see a "new" scene by a model that looks like she did several years ago, you can guess that it's a re-release. With DDF, they have lowered their membership price dramatically, at least with their specials, so it's hard to feel bad at them stretching their bucks by going the re-release route. | |
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| 09-30-16 03:32pm - 2962 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^My opinion has pretty much always been that almost every solo model sites to some degree suck. There have been the odd exception but overall they all have serious issues that you can either accept and stick with it or regret not passing on what looked like a dubious site even before you joined. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-01-16 05:15pm - 2961 days | #23 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I'm glad that there are sites that re-release earlier material as remastered so long as it's better than the original. With video, that may not be the case, but with photos, sometimes it is. ALS Scans and ALS Angels do a respectable job of it most of the time with larger image sizes that work better with current screen resolutions. Also, they often release even more photos per set than the first time around. On the other hand, the ones that just recycle the same exact stuff are irritating. Even MPL Studios, which has been one of the better "artistic" sites, will do these "Obsession" mashups that are photos picked out of various earlier galleries just to water down the value of your money. "Inflation" would be a more suitable title. At least we are all here to call them out on their shit, and we will! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 10-03-16 09:09am - 2959 days | #24 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
ALS Scan/ALS Angels are exemplary in their handling of re-releases. They don't try to pretend that old stuff is new stuff, they're very honest about whether it's a matter of finding older unreleased material, or remastering older material, etc. Plus they're always updating with plenty of new material - or at least they were the last I checked. | |
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| 10-03-16 09:53am - 2959 days | #25 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
ALS does such a great job that I look forward to their remasters as much as their new releases. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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