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| 03-08-09 07:45pm - 5768 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
subtitles on porn scenes - how important? your feedback plz i was wondering how affect you guys the fact to have subtitles on the scenes... obviously im asking because most of our content is in spanish and we add english subtitles to the movies so everyone can understand whats being said... so my question is, how much affects your choice when buying a membership? would you stop buying because the language spoken is not english? and another one.. would you prefer that the actresses tried to speak english even if they dont speak it? thanks a lot! thy atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-08-09 08:49pm - 5768 days | #2 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Hey Thy, thanks for the reply on my question about the network too. I myself am tri-lingual. So, I don't mind the Spanish at all, as my wife is Puerto Rican and speaks Spanish and English. I don't mind though, like on the sites with Hungarian models or German models, that speak Hungarian or German, as long as I get their passion from what they are saying. I think one of the most expressive models in the world is Eve Angel, her eyes, her moans, everything speaks for her. Here is a good way to look at it. If the model is seriously into the scene where she is enjoying, we will know what she is saying even if she doesn't say it in a language we know. I do think subtitles would be good, especially if those stay off the viewing area of the movie, like down in the black area of a letterbox or widescreen movie. Even saying that, language or my lack of understanding of the language spoken has never stopped me from joining a site. You would probably be surprised that some porn fans turn the volume down anyway, and don't even listen to what is being said. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 03-08-09 09:09pm - 5768 days | #3 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Subtitles are a No-No in porn. I find them to be distracting. There really should not be much talking anyway. They can be worse than watermarks. At least watermarks do not change and eventually I can ignore them. Subtitles change and naturally draw my attention. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 03-08-09 09:18pm - 5768 days | #4 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
you are welcome. well on our movies its not like they are talking all the time.. but there is some intro and in some cases even an interview... i guess some would appreciate knowing what is being said.. about the subtitles place, well they are encoded over the movie so we cant put them in black area... but dont worry that during the action there arent any of them bothering :) atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-08-09 09:20pm - 5768 days | #5 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
i gotta agree with you on this one, thats why im wondering what would be best... although keep in mind watermarks stay there all long during the movie.. subtitles show up only when is there some speaking.. which in our case only happens at the beginning and at the end (usually) atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-09-09 03:00am - 5767 days | #6 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I have never seen subtitles in porn and I have seen a LOT of porn. I would like them for interviews, but only then. I also think that interviews should be quick and minimal. I should also add that any subtitles be translated into English at a native speaker level or viewers will definitely be distracted. Don't do it yoursef as I can see your English is not up to it. No insult intended, but you have a few mistakes. Edited on Mar 09, 2009, 03:04am | |
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| 03-09-09 11:01am - 5767 days | #7 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I have joined Explicite Art and they use subtitles (almost all the girls are French). I would use their content as a near perfect example of how to use subtitles in porn; they are controlled, restrained, and only really used to explain and introduce some models, mostly in a behind-the-scenes manner. So, no subtitles for the "Oh god!" or "Ooo yeah!" moments, but an occasional question from a photographer during a photoshoot or a funny comment at the end of a scene. The only problems are a few spelling and grammatical (at least American English spelling and grammar) mistakes, but they are not too distracting. In JustThy's case, I would only use them for introductions because those are for getting to know a little about a model, and simply having them speak in Spanish (or whatever their native tongue is) for an English speaking audience would defeat the purpose. I have heard some memorably funny lines over the years (though I doubt a script was ever involved), but the vast majority of dialogue is nonsense porn speak, and watching porn from other countries can be a relief when you cannot understand them, especially if the language just sounds naturally beautiful (like a lot of French and Spanish does). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-09-09 11:08am - 5767 days | #8 | |
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Colm4 (0)
Active User  Posts: 117 Registered: Sep 22, '07 Location: Holland |
I know that Americans HATE subtitles, but here in Holland everything is subtitled. I certainly would like to know what they say in the beginning, but I guess once the scene starts, it's a distraction. | |
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| 03-09-09 11:20am - 5767 days | #9 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
thanks for your input! i think we going to stop doing subs all along the scene and just do them for the intro and the end after the cumshot... and of course for the behind the camera shots.. i also think they are distracting and i dont even have to read them as i speak spanish... atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-09-09 04:04pm - 5767 days | #10 | |
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ControllingMind (0)
Suspended  Posts: 52 Registered: Jan 29, '09 Location: Inside An Unseen Force |
You should have someone doing sign language in the corner of the vid instead. ;) Seriously though, if they are clear enough to read, then they probably will be obtrusive. Subtitles in a non porn movie are distracting, even if you understand the language, you cant help but read them. Yes thats a good idea to just have them for the intro and the end, so they are not spoiling the action. | |
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| 03-09-09 04:12pm - 5767 days | #11 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
lol, you just gave me an idea for a new site... would match the line of our current site jositoswill.com ;) thanks for the input guys, i already told my editor to apply the changes. cheers. thy atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-11-09 06:53pm - 5765 days | #12 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Yo, I have watched a lot of foreign stuff (mostly japanese) and the only thing I find a bit distracting is if it actually has plot and you are trying to understand what's going on. But, the 'porn with plot' days are going away unless you look at the big budget stuff (i.e. Pirates, DreamQuest, etc) and I'm not sure of foreign countries' porn industry are gonna go big budget anytime soon (Dunno?). Most sites have an underlying theme and I don't think you need subtitles to know what's exactly going on, you can pretty much decipher it. I've also watched some japanese dvd's (company: Amorz) and they put subtitles in to their stuff. I find it distracting but at the same time a bit interesting because they do a lot talking in the scenes. So I suppose it all matters what you want subtitles for, to hear the one or two statement's during sex or to fully grasp the concept of the scene w/ plot? Dunno, I wouldn't be too hard pressed either way to be honest. -GCode Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 03-12-09 12:02pm - 5764 days | #13 | |
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Pornviewer (0)
Suspended Posts: 11 Registered: Apr 24, '08 Location: USA |
I like subtitles provided you can turn them on and off. I would like to understand what is being said in Spanish or Japanese. I like the nasty talk, if you don't understand the language then you can only enjoy the video. | |
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| 03-12-09 12:15pm - 5764 days | #14 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
well thats kinda hard because to be able to turn them on-off we would have to provide movies in uncommon formats... like MKV... atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-12-09 06:06pm - 5764 days | #15 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Yeah I think movies from web sites would not be the best way to get subtitled videos. I do have an active subscription to an online adult video dvd rental site and I have noticed more and more of these dvd's and blu rays are getting subtitled. I think they should probably stay with dvds/blu ray cause then you can turn them off if you want. -GCode Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 03-12-09 06:22pm - 5764 days | #16 | |
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kkman112 (0)
Active User Posts: 56 Registered: Mar 31, '07 Location: United States |
I think subtitles in videos are great for non-English language. I would not care for it while the action was going on but for any dialoged or interview parts it is great. However, this is a big no-no that many in the past have done: DO NOT EMBED THE SUBTITLES ONTO THE IMAGE. A subtitle that is plastered on the image and therefore not removable while watching is horrible. If you are going to do it, do it right by using a container file that supports text-based subtitles that the viewer can turn on and off at will (ex: MKV files support subtitles). EDIT: I just noticed that this was mentioned a few posts up, haha. I was a little late. MKV is just one example though, there are many container files that support text or streamed subtitles. Many video players today will also allow a person to import subtitles from a separate file. Edited on Mar 12, 2009, 06:25pm (kkman112: Found similar post) | |
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| 03-13-09 08:19am - 5763 days | #17 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
yep thats true but then again most users are not really qualified to play around with subtitles... most of them never heard about this... so we would have to teach them how to use this new feature... also we cant replace any common format as WMV or mpg for MKV or whatever for the same reason as above... right now we offer like 5 different formats per movie.. if we keep adding the list is going to be huge :) thanks your input. atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-13-09 02:11pm - 5763 days | #18 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Much has been said already, but I figured I'd chime in. I like subtitles for the most part, but I do expect a degree of editorial discretion. For example, the first time the model moans "oh god" or whatever, you could subtitle that, but if she is saying it over and over, I don't need to be reminded what it means each time. I don't find subtitles distracting, many of the movies I watch are subtitled as many of the best movies aren't in English, so I'm perfectly happy with subtitles and forget they are there. One problem is if the subtitles are blending into the background. "Girl on the Bridge" ("La Fille sur le Pont", 1999) is a black and white and had white subtitles on the theatrical release so there were sections of the film where you couldn't read the subtitles at all. They fortunately fixed this in the DVD release. Anyway, so with editorial discretion, subtitles can be wonderful. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 03-13-09 02:35pm - 5763 days | #19 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Hooray! Toadsith is back! I'm afraid you missed most of the week's headache surrounding a certain site's fake reviews. Anyways, I definitely agree there are some fine non-English films, and their subtitles are never distracting. In fact I can't stand it when they dub over the original dialogue using English speaking actors' -- it can nearly ruin a film, with the possible exception of comedies. I don't think I have ever seen any dubbed porn, though the broken English some actors speak is bad enough. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-13-09 02:44pm - 5763 days | #20 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
so i suppose you liked the way we use subtitles as i know you have 2 of my sites on your top 10 : ) btw thanks for your reviews i like to read what users has to say because sometimes i miss stuff you see in a different way... also i would love to see a review from you about my other network - torbenetwork.com - not looking to get a signup dont get me wrong... i would just give you a free pass just to know your thoughts but yah im not allowed to do that :P cheers. thy atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-13-09 02:54pm - 5763 days | #21 | |
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rome476 (0)
Active User Posts: 78 Registered: Aug 19, '08 |
I like subtites instead of broken English or dubbing(that is the worst!) rome476 | |
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| 03-13-09 03:00pm - 5763 days | #22 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Here's something I've yet to see: language lessons! Have an "instructor" on the scene speaking the tongue in question and subtitle that. Then you'd have review with quick snippets ("She's giving head," etc.) with the instructor's voice in the background. It would be fun, and it could be made very funny, too. The only time I've ever seen anything like that was a vid of Mia Stone telling this guy how they say "suck" in Hungarian, and then she did it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-13-09 03:18pm - 5763 days | #23 | |
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kkman112 (0)
Active User Posts: 56 Registered: Mar 31, '07 Location: United States |
Personally, I would say hold off for now. Yes, it would be great to have an "all-in-one" subtitle program and to have most video formats support a standard subtitle format, but that is not the case. More and more are supporting subtitles, but not in the same format (some commercial, some open...). Until that happens it may not be the best way to go, and I have seen a lot of people get ticked at early attempts by adding the subtitles into the video image. | |
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| 03-13-09 03:22pm - 5763 days | #24 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
haha thats a good one... i can see Torbe playing the teacher roll... he is good at acting... will comment this idea to him and may be we can build a site from this... atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-14-09 04:29am - 5762 days | #25 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, all right! A new niche is born! And if this doesn't motivate more English-speaking Americans to learn Spanish (I'm assuming), I don't know what would. BTW, is Torbe that guy with the glasses and the teeth that stick out? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-14-09 04:55am - 5762 days | #26 | |
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atrapat (0)
Active User  Posts: 182 Registered: Apr 19, '08 Location: Non-USA |
Yep. I guess you're referring to Priest Damian site. As for the subtitles topic, since I'm not a native English speaker, I've found myself at times wishing there were English subtitles in a scene. Embedding them in the scene wouldn't make much sense since most members of English-speaking porn site are likely native English speakers but having a srt subtitle file would be quite appreciated. Although it would be difficult to educate most users. | |
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| 03-14-09 07:20pm - 5762 days | #27 | |
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JustThy (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 14 Registered: Sep 28, '08 Location: Uruguay |
lol yes thats him... you know he is very funny but im afraid some of his humor might get lost through subtitles.. but the essence is still there. atxnetwork.com torbenetwork.com | |
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| 03-14-09 07:54pm - 5762 days | #28 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Haha, yeah, I sometimes don't have much useful to say so I keep quiet. As Lincoln once said: "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." That said, I'm usually lurking, reading and only away for a couple days at most. On the topic of dubbing, I've actually seen a few big budget porn films that had been dubbed all the way through including moans, it is quite painful. Hentai also has that happen often with American actresses providing entirely uninspired sound effects. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 03-14-09 08:10pm - 5762 days | #29 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Yes, your sites are some of the very few porn videos I've seen subtitles in (with the exception of Hentai) and I definitely appreciated them :-D I wish other sites considered doing it (like John Thompson's sites...) I've definitely got Torbe Network in my sights for checking out - but I haven't had the time to take on another network site recently, those can be taxing, lol "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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