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06-06-09  09:36am - 5678 days Original Post - #1
messmer (0)
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Video Sizes!

Can anyone tell me how they determine the size of a video. I know that I'm exposing myself as a dummy but while I can get the total bitrate through Vista I have not yet found a category that would list the dimensions of a video, e.g. 720x480!

It is important information in connection with a review but I don't know how to go about getting that information. Would there be a setting on your Player that allows you to determine what's what? Argh, I hate to look like an ignoramus when it comes to technical details. :-(

06-06-09  10:11am - 5678 days #2
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I find it after I download. Put the cursor over the file icon and it appears as well as the length of the video and the bitrate. Be careful though in looking at AVI files where the bitrate is always low, even when they are of excellent quality.

06-06-09  12:09pm - 5678 days #3
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I appreciate your asking the question and eagerly await a comprehensible answer. There is such a wide range of quality, but it does not always seem to be totally by the "numbers." I really like the new crisp clear video of obviously much better quality, but still only know it by looking at it myself (not yet by any numbers).

"I know it when I see it."

I await response from a guru much more knowledgable than I. Jay G

06-06-09  01:36pm - 5678 days #4
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Originally Posted by mbaya:


I find it after I download. Put the cursor over the file icon and it appears as well as the length of the video and the bitrate. Be careful though in looking at AVI files where the bitrate is always low, even when they are of excellent quality.


Thanks, mbaya, that would be a very convenient way of finding out. Must try it out right after I finish writing this! :-)

06-06-09  01:41pm - 5678 days #5
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Originally Posted by Jay G:


I appreciate your asking the question and eagerly await a comprehensible answer. There is such a wide range of quality, but it does not always seem to be totally by the "numbers." I really like the new crisp clear video of obviously much better quality, but still only know it by looking at it myself (not yet by any numbers).

"I know it when I see it."

I await response from a guru much more knowledgable than I.


Hey Jay G, I'm glad I'm not alone! And I agree with your observations. I've been downloading files, all with a 4000 total bitrate, yet the quality is very uneven. Some videos are reasonably clear as long as I don't use full screen, others are the pits. Bit rates are indeed not everything. My Anilos videos run at 3500 and are like HD, the ones I downloaded from a DVD place (even the best) at 4000 are terrible by comparison.

06-06-09  01:55pm - 5678 days #6
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I usually just mouse over the vid icon after downloading, as was pointed out. Works for WMV files, but not for Quicktime. For that, you have to open the file in Quicktime and then choose "Get Info" or something like that from one of the menus. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

06-06-09  02:04pm - 5678 days #7
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I don't know about other players, but here's what to do with the ones I use:

In Media Player Classic you can right click on the video window and select Properties then the Details tab.

In VLC you can click on Tools at the top, then Codec Information, then the Codec Details tab.

In Winamp, you can double click on the file name in the main window and it will pop up the properties in a window. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

06-06-09  03:19pm - 5678 days #8
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This is kind of funny... I'm still on Windows 2000, so a lot of things like mbaya's hint of hovering over an icon don't work here. But, after all these years of collecting video, I just found out you can right click on a video file and select the summary tab and it gives you all kinds of info.

So, messmer, I'll also thank you for posting this question! I learned something myself today. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

06-06-09  06:06pm - 5678 days #9
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Since you are using Vista you will actually have to tell it to display that. You can always have windows media player tell you, but that would take to long if you needed to know more than a handful of videos.

Anyhow, in Vista you can tell it which things you want it to display. Under view select "details" then right click the on the horizontal bar that says "name" and such. "Dimensions" might show up in the little menu, if not the bottom should say "More". Click that and another menu pops up and you need to scroll down through until you find dimensions. Unfortunately Vista is retarded and a lot of video files do not register this way, so it does not actually tell you.

Also, if you click the video once you can usually see the stats on the bottom of the explorer page. It will say "Frame Width" or "Frame Height". "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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06-06-09  06:23pm - 5678 days #10
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Hey Jay G, I'm glad I'm not alone! And I agree with your observations. I've been downloading files, all with a 4000 total bitrate, yet the quality is very uneven. Some videos are reasonably clear as long as I don't use full screen, others are the pits. Bit rates are indeed not everything. My Anilos videos run at 3500 and are like HD, the ones I downloaded from a DVD place (even the best) at 4000 are terrible by comparison.


The videos at Anilos, at least the ones labeled "HD," were probably shot with an HD camera and never had to be scaled down to DVD resolution (usually 720 x 480 for NTSC). A DVD site is probably all sourced from DVDs -- not the original source, which may have been shot in HD -- and so, even at a high bitrate, may not look that great.

As many of the members may know, video size isn't everything, bitrate matters too. Messmer also started a thread about this last September.

Concerning sizes, we had a thread about "HD" quality over a year ago, including a great post about resolution by Toadsith, who always seems to be the go to guy for all this high tech computer and Interweb stuff.

Size is still pretty important to me (uh, video size that is), so I always try to check out sample videos on tours at their original, or 100%, size, and then at full screen to see the qualitative differences, since I like to watch in full screen mode. For me, HD at 100% is very close to full screen, but again, since size isn't absolutely everything, I try to judge sound, lighting, colors, etc. before I instantly judge something labeled "true HD," or "full HD," or whatever as great video. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

06-06-09  06:33pm - 5678 days #11
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Thanks guys for all the good advice. I tried the mouse over the icon bit and got the size of the file (so and so many mbs)as well as the length, eg. 26 minutes, but not the dimensions.

I tried pretty well everything until I found out to my delight that Raging Buddhist's suggestion worked. He may have Windows 2000 but it works in Vista as well. Right click on the file, go to properties, then to details and there it is: Frame width, frame height, total bitrate! And badandy, your suggestion worked perfectly for me when I still had xp but as you said Vista is retarded (Can't wait for the new OS to come out in November) and while I could get it to display some information it never gave me anything under details or dimensions. Again, thanks all!

06-06-09  06:49pm - 5678 days #12
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


The videos at Anilos, at least the ones labeled "HD," were probably shot with an HD camera and never had to be scaled down to DVD resolution (usually 720 x 480 for NTSC). A DVD site is probably all sourced from DVDs -- not the original source, which may have been shot in HD -- and so, even at a high bitrate, may not look that great.

As many of the members may know, video size isn't everything, bitrate matters too. Messmer also started a thread about this last September.

Concerning sizes, we had a thread about "HD" quality over a year ago, including a great post about resolution by Toadsith, who always seems to be the go to guy for all this high tech computer and Interweb stuff.

Size is still pretty important to me (uh, video size that is), so I always try to check out sample videos on tours at their original, or 100%, size, and then at full screen to see the qualitative differences, since I like to watch in full screen mode. For me, HD at 100% is very close to full screen, but again, since size isn't absolutely everything, I try to judge sound, lighting, colors, etc. before I instantly judge something labeled "true HD," or "full HD," or whatever as great video.


Thanks turboshaft. I am embarrassed and realize that I'm really getting older because I forgot that we had a discussion on bitrates and that I had started it! :-) I have always had a bad memory so I can at least relax about Alzheimer's for now.

One more question directed to the whole group of fine gentlemen: Still talking DVD sites, not HD ones. Of all the sites you subscribed to which one did the best job of converting DVDs to a good to excellent picture at full screen?

06-06-09  07:42pm - 5678 days #13
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I always watch stuff from Videobox at full screen and it seems to look fairly decent. They do use pretty high bit rates though. Not overly sure why. I can not say they are better or worse looking than other sites though. Honestly I would imagine it is about the same on any of the bag name DVD sites. But I would take the advise of others on this one. Then again, there must be a reason that Videobox is rated so high. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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06-06-09  09:58pm - 5677 days #14
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Simply looking at the numbers can be deceptive on videos that were not shot recently. They can be converted but can still be weak. A poor original will give you poor results if upgraded. I have seen sites offer recoded older material that is still grainy.

06-06-09  10:20pm - 5677 days #15
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100% agree with mbaya. This one of the things Videobox guilty of. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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06-07-09  12:31pm - 5677 days #16
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Thanks turboshaft. I am embarrassed and realize that I'm really getting older because I forgot that we had a discussion on bitrates and that I had started it! :-) I have always had a bad memory so I can at least relax about Alzheimer's for now.

One more question directed to the whole group of fine gentlemen: Still talking DVD sites, not HD ones. Of all the sites you subscribed to which one did the best job of converting DVDs to a good to excellent picture at full screen?


No worries. I don't think we ever discussed how to actually find out a video's size until this thread, so it was probably good you asked.

I agree that Videobox is fairly decent, at least at their DVD resolution. I remember comparing a few of their videos to the same ones I had on DVD and they looked pretty good, though definitely not the same.

As mbaya said, a poor original can yield poor results, and the more hands, or computers, it goes through, the worse it will look in the end. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

06-07-09  01:11pm - 5677 days #17
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Aw man me and asmith12 were just talking about video size and birate last week that was very interesting. This topic is totally up for debate. The largest part of the discussion was how 1280 x 720 with ~4000 kbps can be so great but also extremely poor at some sites. At this rate, the videos should be crystal clear because me and him have both seen videos at 720 X 480 with ~1000 kbps that look better than these higher res and birate videos sometimes.

A large point asmith12 brought up is if you use a shitty camera to begin with, no encoding is gonna make them look pretty to begin with. The largest concern that I have is sites that claim their videos are 'HD' but are obviously at no level even close. Most sites love to mix up having high res as meaning high definition when that wording is not correct. Just because you are at 1280 X 720 or higher does not mean it is HD :(

It all comes down to the camera used. It's unbelievable that some sites that appear to be so professional are using completely substandard cameras. This should have been the first investment when creating a site.... Sexted From My iPad

06-07-09  09:00pm - 5677 days #18
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This is exactly why I do not understand the need for hi bit rates on older DVDs. The only really thing I could think of is it might make it play a little smoother, but I am not even sure if that makes sense.

But GCode, you mean if I make 10,000x8,000 video using my 10 year old HI-8 I actually do not have the best looking video in the world! Awe Man! I though I was going to have HD homemade porn without spending money.

I guess it does not matter how awesome the content is if we can not see it well. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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06-07-09  10:18pm - 5676 days #19
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I have a 22inch wide screen and I know I have it set to make resolution for my video card. But I wonder how that converts ?
Some times they are clear sometimes not and some times its the same size. Just not enough consistency.

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