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| 02-27-10 10:19am - 5412 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Why so much toy use in softcore? To my mind, toys have no place in softcore, yet they are still almost omnipresent! For softcore I don't mind a little groping and feeling, but I do like it to be toy free. As I see it it is only half a step away from sybians & other fucking machines. I think dildos belong with them rather than softcore. Cap'n. :0/ Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-27-10 10:55am - 5412 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
"Sanity is in the eye of the beholder." So is beauty and morality and a whole bunch else. At one time (back in the dark ages) sex toys were considered dirty or sexy, perverted, whatever. Today, in the porn world, they are really considered as toys. Sex toys, but still mainly toys. Someone wants to spice up a softcore shoot, they can add costumes or sex toys or whatever. To get away from the same old, same old, boring photos or videos. That's my interpretation, anyway. I sincerely doubt the girls in the photoshoots or videos are really getting that much a thrill from the sex toys. But the girls put on a smiley face or try to show passion or emotion to give the audience (the guy/girl who will look at the photos/videos) an extra charge. Drooler is very anti- sex toys. He has complained frequently, and wishes the sites he joins would not use them at all, I believe. | |
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| 02-27-10 11:04am - 5412 days | #3 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Why so much use of sex toys - because the porn biz is mainly oriented to guys that want more - if the model is non-nude, well then how about a mesh top, if she's not showing boobs, then she needs to show them, if she's not going to fuck, well how about masturbating with sex toys, whether or not they show penetration. It's commercially driven, basically. | |
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| 02-27-10 12:07pm - 5412 days | #4 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I don't dispute some folks like it, but I think it belongs in harder sections than softcore. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-27-10 12:39pm - 5412 days | #5 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I can't remember if it was DDF or Viv Thomas who was talking about this just a few months ago. I don't have the exact quote, but paraphrased it was something like this. "Many of the girls have small fingers and can't get off on camera with their fingers. The dildos give them more and forced or not, it brings the orgasm faster for them." Seems like he even talked about if they are very sexually active, the dildos are almost required. He also mentioned that most of his male members didn't like vibrator on clit use since it doesn't show penetration. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 02-27-10 03:27pm - 5412 days | #6 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User  Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
Have to agree with Capn, don't really think it belongs in softcore. But I think if places don't do it, then they feel they are nothing more then Playboy and Playboy has the stigma of being the older generations porn. Which is understandable since Playboy is pretty much a topless only magazine. So I think to separate them selves and please the biggest audience possible, they bring in toys. As I think most people who don't like hardcore, would tolerate a toy over actual sex. But what I don't get is some sites like Suburban Amateurs, who start out great with the whole striptease thing. Then once the models finally get nude, there are about 5 images of her full nude before another 25 with her using some toy. Just don't understand why sites don't split the picture sections up more equally. | |
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| 02-27-10 03:38pm - 5412 days | #7 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
You can have coy & explicit full nudity in softcore, to me as soon as the toys come out though, that is stretching softcore too far. Actually, even explicit full nudity stretches the softcore tag really, as there are quite a few models who won't do open leg shots. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-27-10 04:29pm - 5412 days | #8 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yes, if they didn't use them at all, I wouldn't mind. Yet I do join because, well, there aren't that many options outside of the FemJoy/MetArt-style sites. So while I might seem intolerant in words, I'm far less so in action. And I think you know the proverb. I know for sure that I would have missed quite a lot of good stuff had I not joined sites like ALS Scans, ALS Angels, the ATK sites, Bikini Riot, Danni, the DDF sites, Karupspc, Karupsha, Nubiles, Penthouse, Peter Girls, Suze.net, Stunners, and even SimonScans. Really, the problem isn't toys. I can always delete the toy-play pics that I don't want. The problem is when a site takes such a strong approach to toy play that it becomes the whole point of a gallery, to the exclusion of another matter: ass. There are sites that used to be better at ass, but shifted to the toy focus so much that they seem to have forgotten about it. Nubiles is one; EuropeanGlamourGirls is another, though neither has become 100% oblivious. It's more like 93%. ;) And there are sites that are just toys-TOYS-TOYS!! TeenModels is a near-perfect example. They have such great image quality and fine-looking women, but it's nearly always about the damn toy play (or fists sometimes). All of this toy obsession has lead to my "radicalization" against toy play, but it's a light form, more bark than bite. Really, I'm a pragmatist underneath the anti-toy bellicosity. So I hope you understand that I am being realistic, but hey, I don't have to like it, do I? Some people might think mine is a hopeless cause, but I don't give a fuck, because I'm not into toys any more than I'm into processed frozen dinners. Bottom line: Go ahead. Whip out those plastic phalluses. Knock yourself out. Just don't forget this. And THIS. Oh, that's the shit! Damn! See, there's wa-a-a-y too much toy play, and not NEARLY enough of pics like that one, immediately above, of Olivia York. And if THAT doesn't illustrate my point, I don't know what else can. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Feb 28, 2010, 02:57am | |
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| 02-27-10 05:33pm - 5412 days | #9 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Because there is a percentage of porn buyers who like toys. I still especially like when the girls play around with toys in their mouths! If for nothing else than the sheer absurdity factor! Or are we just talking about labels here? Because isn't the classic definition of softcore mean "no penetration"? Maybe it's not so much the toy use in softcore that bothers you, but rather toy scenes being labeled softcore? Edited on Feb 27, 2010, 05:54pm | |
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| 02-27-10 05:51pm - 5412 days | #10 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Not every site needs to cater to everyone's desires. How about karupspc for example (only because I have a subscription currently with them), in the most recent 20 photosets, 3 are b/g sets, 1 is a g/g set without toys, 2 are solo with toys, 14 are solo without toys! | |
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| 02-27-10 06:03pm - 5412 days | #11 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I've already explained what bothers me, if it's me you mean. Labeling toy play as softcore I don't have a problem with. Hardcore to me means b/g sex. Labeling it as hardcore would be problematic. Imagine all of the incensed hardcore fans finding out that a "hardcore" site is really a toy play site. They'd be pretty pissed off about it, I'd think, and they'd be right to be angry. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 02-27-10 06:12pm - 5412 days | #12 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
^^^ Apologies, that particular response was directed towards the topic question, and Capn, the thread creator. | |
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| 02-27-10 07:28pm - 5412 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I do think that if you are going to label a shoot or video as being softcore than there should not be any penetration of any kind. I agree that a shoot wher ea gril gets herself off using a vibration or dildo may not be on the level of a gang bang but it is still not softcore. It's midcore. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-27-10 10:13pm - 5411 days | #14 | |
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pornwatcher (0)
Suspended Posts: 51 Registered: Jun 25, '08 Location: US |
Well, since by definition, softcore can not use real penis, using a sex toy is as far as they could go. | |
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| 02-28-10 12:57am - 5411 days | #15 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Capn, if you got a promotion, why don't you just go ahead and admit it? Cap'n. :0) Courtesy of Wittyguy. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. Or is Cap'n some other guy, who just happens to spell his name like yours, except he uses a "'" in his name as a mark of distinction? Is it Cap'n, or Admiral? Or Capn? (I'm thinking of nominating myself as Supreme Leader of the Allied Forces, so I will outrank everyone anyway.) | |
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| 02-28-10 02:00am - 5411 days | #16 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
The latter ;0) As I said earlier there are some models who will go nude but will not do open leg. I think this is the upper threshold of softcore. For me, any toy use is entering into Pat's excellent concept of midcore, which probably should include masturbation. I am not saying I dislike it per se, it is just I am questioning its appearance in what is otherwise a softcore item. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-28-10 02:02am - 5411 days | #17 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I am in full agreement with you. Smaller sites especially need to specialise to survive. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-28-10 02:05am - 5411 days | #18 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Excellent. Hammer - nail interface sucessful! ;0) I love the midcore concept. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-28-10 02:07am - 5411 days | #19 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Yes, it is these thresholds I am attempting to define. Any toy use or masturbation falls into the midcore category. ( Thanks, Pat! ;0) ) Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-28-10 02:18am - 5411 days | #20 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well, I have tried to be enigmatic about this, but now I shall have to explain. My occasional use of 'Aye' instead of 'yes' does not come from any nautical pretensions. It derives from a Northern English / Scot dialect. I am in fact the comic book crime fighting superhero Captain Klutz. Please don't tell anybody or my cover will be blown ;0) As Wittyguy pointed out Admiral is an honourary title only. My correct screen nickname should be Cap'n, but the user name wouldn't accept an apostrophe so I had to go without! Now please forget I ever said anything about this ;0) Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 02-28-10 09:31am - 5411 days | #21 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I hate toys. For me I agree that a midcore category is accurate. I prefer real sex or nudity. | |
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| 02-28-10 03:37pm - 5411 days | #22 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I would say that the term 'hardcore' implies penetration, not necessarily by a real penis mind you, but penetration of some sort or another. Still, like Drooler mentioned, perverts lusting after true boy-girl penetrative hardcore would probably be angry and felt as if they had been misled if the guy turned out to be a toy (unlike in real life where if you thought your girl was seeing another guy and it turned out to be just a toy...). 'Midcore' sounds pretty funny to me though, but still kinda vague. Does it imply girl-girl hardcore, which some here might even qualify as soft core; or does it imply there's a guy present but he's not doing any fuckin' (rare, but I've seen it happen). Maybe a 'toy core' category, perhaps? At least you know there are toys involved, though in what capacity you're not sure. Toy-girl hardcore is now no longer soft- or hardcore but simply toy core! You've got girls, you've got toys, then you've got toy core.  Add one guy with intentions to, uh, add to the talent pool (which could still be pretty shallow at this point) and then you have hardcore.Simple, right? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on May 02, 2010, 12:10am | |
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| 02-28-10 03:52pm - 5411 days | #23 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It is pretty absurd and pointless, I mean what girl really enjoys the feel and taste of the mysterious concoction of chemicals that make up most sex toys? The only positive thing out of it would be for the biter (biteress?) to get her chewing and teething done on a fake rather than a real penis, but old habits do die hard and guys are very sensitive down there. I enjoy watching girls use strap-ons on other girls just because it can be so entertaining if not always very erotic. A combination of inexperience (to say the least) and poor ergonomics make strap-on scenes more like you're watching someone drive for the first time rather than the intense car race spectacle of boy-girl porn. If nothing else these scenes are almost guaranteed to bring out some goofy smiles or even a few laughs in the most cynical of performers. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-28-10 05:30pm - 5411 days | #24 | ||
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
That's what makes it great!
Ever chew on a pen? I don't expect these girls to play with toys in their mouths when the camera is not around. Just like I don't expect them to ever have two cocks up their asses when the camera is not around. It's just porn. And while I fully concede that I am an idiot, I will continue assuming that playing with the toys in their mouths is not doing any harm physically or emotionally. What else is there to object to? Seriously, though, no problems with a girl putting a strap-on made of a mysterious concoction of chemicals in her vagina, but the mouth is off limits? Edited on Feb 28, 2010, 05:36pm | ||
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| 02-28-10 06:00pm - 5411 days | #25 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Softcore should be only in reference to semi-nude or all nude with one or more person but without actual sexual contact involve. Midcore can be anything involving solo girl masturbation (hand/toys), mild lesbian and I'd add kissing if there is a significant amount of pasion or tonguing. Hardcore is anything involving penetration whether oral, vaginal or anal. I qualify a BJ as hardcore. Extreme hardcore is anything involving multiple partners and penetrations whether oral, vaginal or anal. I put a blowbang under this category. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-28-10 08:28pm - 5410 days | #26 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Nope. :)
Again, nope. :) I would assume that most, okay many--alright at least a few!--enjoy the feel of sex toys in their vaginas and taste is, well, I don't think it would be a problem. If some girl could taste with her vagina I would want to know her goddamn name and I would like to talk to her. I would start off with something like "What's it like tasting with your vagina?" and then move on to "How the hell can you even taste things with your vagina?!" She would then smile and then proceed to beat me to death with her strap-on. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 02-28-10 11:34pm - 5410 days | #27 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Another useful concise definition. Thanks, Pat. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 03-01-10 01:05am - 5410 days | #28 | |
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pornwatcher (0)
Suspended Posts: 51 Registered: Jun 25, '08 Location: US |
How about close-up picture of a vagina without any physical contact between sexes? Should it fall into softcore or hardcore? I think hardcore. In fact, it is more hardcore to take a close-up picture of a vagina than a long view picture of a woman playing with her sex toy. | |
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| 03-01-10 01:43pm - 5410 days | #29 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I agree, anything gynacological has to be hardcore. Cap'n. :0/ Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 03-01-10 06:51pm - 5410 days | #30 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I understand why they film girls giving a BJ to a strap-on but it is still rather silly. I'll still take it. I also really like it when girls use strap-on's on each other. It can be hit or miss for the reasons you have stated but when it is a hit then it's super hot. I have a couple of Lesbian movies that contain some good Strap-On scenes. There is also the type of strap-on being used that can make a difference. Some are designed to make it easier for girls to use them. Afterall we probably wouldn't do any better if we did not ave any sensation in our penis either. Hell, we've got sensation in it and we still fuck it up(Of course I'm not refering to myself). Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-01-10 10:14pm - 5409 days | #31 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Lol, yes we have sensation in it and we still fuck up fucking! :P The one advantage I can see for having to use a strap-on is never having to make that excruciating speech asking for forgiveness for possessing a 'hair trigger' and that, hell, sometimes the damn thing just goes off and it's not our fault. And most of us are not even performing in front of a camera! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-02-10 09:53am - 5409 days | #32 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Giving a bj to a strap on or dildo is not only silly in my eyes but a big turn-off, especially when accompanied by lusty moaning. What self-respecting lesbian would want one of those plastic substitutes in her mouth? Isn't that what she's trying to get away from? :-) | |
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| 03-02-10 04:47pm - 5409 days | #33 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I suppose it would work if she was bisexual. :0/ Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 03-02-10 07:39pm - 5409 days | #34 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree that giving a BJ to a strap-on can seem very silly but most companies cater to male customers so it does make a certain sense that you'd want to incorporate that into the scene. Afterall, I think Lesbian movies are about the only ones that still incorporate on a regular basis all the things that I hope to have in a scene. There is a story, dialogue, good chemistry between performers, lost of clothing(not just bathing suit), lots and lots of deep passionate kissing, foreplay, stripping, breast play, actual vaginal lubrication from the foreplay, amazing pussy licking and various possible types of penetration. Since they already have all of that then why not also add a BJ to a strap-on. I draw the line at the wearer moaning with pleasure. That's not silly, It's just dumb. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-10-10 04:31pm - 5401 days | #35 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I'm with you on this one, Capn. I like the suggestion someone made of "midcore". It seems that adult sites need some kind of governing body to define non-nude, softcore, midcore and hardcore. The level of variation and confusion is rampant currently. Some sites don't even know the difference between nude and topless! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 03-11-10 11:19am - 5400 days | #36 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
You are right on that one, Ed. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 03-11-10 08:39pm - 5399 days | #37 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
...and porn has childless 22-year old milfs If you want to get in to the dictionary definition of "soft-core" it simply means "sexually arousing depictions that are not fully explicit" or "Being less explicit than hard-core material in depicting or describing sexual activity". One can easily make the case that depicting penetration with a toy instead of a guy with a cock, fits "soft-core pornography". Don't ever get hung up on labels. | |
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| 03-11-10 11:39pm - 5399 days | #38 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
That is EXACTLY what we are trying to get away from by more specific genre labelling, so that we can identify sites that provide what we are looking for more easily. Many folk that like softcore, do not like toy use. Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on Mar 12, 2010, 07:34am | |
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| 03-12-10 08:45am - 5399 days | #39 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
We need some sort of definitions, even if we move away from using the word "softcore" or "hardcore", because currently there are so many differing interpretations that these phrases are largely meaningless, but more importantly they are not helpful. It would be extremely useful to be able to categorise or label levels of explicitness without resorting to a detailed run-down and what is and is not desired. Dictionary definitions of words and their use in Internet/Porn/Technology jargon are often at variance. Look at the word "friend" for example! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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