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10-02-11  10:15am - 4792 days Original Post - #1
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Is there any room for tenderness in Porn?

This is something I keep missing. A scene that starts with the actors having a drink or a meal, or both, that then slowly progresses toward the ultimate act of intimacy with a lot of kissing, tender caressing, and definitely slow mutual undressing before they eventually end up in bed. To me THAT would be sexy!

Would that still be Porn, I wonder?? What do you think?

10-02-11  11:12am - 4792 days #2
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A better classification might be fantasy. Lol.

10-02-11  12:12pm - 4792 days #3
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I think it would sell, BUT finding porn actors and actresses who could make it convincing might be almost impossible. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

10-02-11  01:17pm - 4792 days #4
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Yes, actually it's one of the things I specialize on my site. seanuncut.com (Artistic, Passionate Porn) Sean of Erotistic.com Edited by Staff on Oct 02, 2011, 02:54pm (Khan: edited URL)

10-02-11  03:40pm - 4792 days #5
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Originally Posted by messmer:


This is something I keep missing. A scene that starts with the actors having a drink or a meal, or both, that then slowly progresses toward the ultimate act of intimacy with a lot of kissing, tender caressing, and definitely slow mutual undressing before they eventually end up in bed. To me THAT would be sexy!

Would that still be Porn, I wonder?? What do you think?


Another provocative thread, my friend, and timely considering the direction the porn business seems to be going in.
What you are describing, I'd say, bordors more on the old fashion, classic terms called either "romance" (noun) .."romantic" (adj) ... "romantically " (adv) ... or the figure of speech best befitting this senerio: "romancing" ... (verb).

Your way is decidedly logic, socially sensible, conventional and solidely grounded in normalcy ..... conditions of which mark the antithesis of the porn industry's interests.

10-02-11  04:58pm - 4792 days #6
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


A better classification might be fantasy. Lol.


Maybe, but my fantasies have never included having a meal, drinks, or both. After all, it's not food that I lust after... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-02-11  05:30pm - 4792 days #7
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I'm not saying this to be sarcastic or insulting. Please don't take it that way. There used to be a genre of porn that was marketed at couples. I found it a bit dull so I never looked at any unless it had a must-see star in it. But the theory was that women got the romance and men got some hardcore: win-win.

I have no idea if this kind of porn still exists or not, but if it does it might be what you're looking for.

I do have to admit that this made me think of a line from Bill Maher when he talks about hearing a therapist speak about men and women sharing mutual fantasies. He breaks the bad news to women by pointing out that there are no fantasies where a handsome man rides a horse across a field, sweeps the woman off her feet and embraces her, and then comes on her face.

10-02-11  07:15pm - 4792 days #8
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Maybe, but my fantasies have never included having a meal, drinks, or both. After all, it's not food that I lust after...


Okay, you're allowed to sit or lay on the bed for ten minutes, petting heavily, to use the old term, until you proceed. That any better?

10-02-11  07:18pm - 4792 days #9
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I'm not saying this to be sarcastic or insulting. Please don't take it that way. There used to be a genre of porn that was marketed at couples. I found it a bit dull so I never looked at any unless it had a must-see star in it. But the theory was that women got the romance and men got some hardcore: win-win.

I have no idea if this kind of porn still exists or not, but if it does it might be what you're looking for.

I do have to admit that this made me think of a line from Bill Maher when he talks about hearing a therapist speak about men and women sharing mutual fantasies. He breaks the bad news to women by pointing out that there are no fantasies where a handsome man rides a horse across a field, sweeps the woman off her feet and embraces her, and then comes on her face.


Hi rearadmiral, I am not actively looking for this kind of porn even though it would be a refreshing change, I am mostly reacting to those stupid interviews done by uneducated clods, where without a transition, the model is talking one moment and then is on her knees, naked, the next "enjoying a bj.

10-02-11  07:24pm - 4792 days #10
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Another provocative thread, my friend, and timely considering the direction the porn business seems to be going in.
What you are describing, I'd say, bordors more on the old fashion, classic terms called either "romance" (noun) .."romantic" (adj) ... "romantically " (adv) ... or the figure of speech best befitting this senerio: "romancing" ... (verb).

Your way is decidedly logic, socially sensible, conventional and solidely grounded in normalcy ..... conditions of which mark the antithesis of the porn industry's interests.


You are right, graymane, it would be definitely swimming against the stream of popular demand if any element of romance were introduced into a scene. But it would be nice to see a bit more cuddling and caressing and kissing before the heavy stuff starts! Another thing I have yet to see is a model giving little love bites to her partner's nipples. Just SOMETHING that breaks the mold of the accursed gonzo style porn. Ah, well, I won't start a crusade over it ... just saying!

10-02-11  07:26pm - 4792 days #11
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Originally Posted by SeanUncut:


Yes, actually it's one of the things I specialize on my site. seanuncut.com (Artistic, Passionate Porn)


I am glad you chose to take that route, Sean, even though your site would not appeal to all.

10-02-11  07:29pm - 4792 days #12
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I am glad you chose to take that route, Sean, even though your site would not appeal to all.


Perhaps not, but it's something that appeals to me. And I have found the only adult work I truly enjoy being in and displaying is work that appeals to me. I'm sure I'm not the ONLY one out there that likes passion in their porn. By the way, I have about 5 shoots I'll be posting on my site in the next couple weeks. Some may find them appealing, some may not. However, I'm hoping to break some boundaries (both personally and industry) Sean of Erotistic.com

10-02-11  07:29pm - 4792 days #13
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I think it would sell, BUT finding porn actors and actresses who could make it convincing might be almost impossible.


LOL, you got a point, Ed! Well, as I suggested elsewhere, maybe instead of talking they could pet for a while. Everyone can do that. But would young subscribers stand for it? How can you get in a bj, four different positions, plus anal and the obligatory cum shot in ten minutes?

10-02-11  07:30pm - 4792 days #14
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


A better classification might be fantasy. Lol.


I think you are right, lk2fireone! A nice fantasy for me though. I like the tender touch!

10-02-11  07:35pm - 4792 days #15
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I think it would sell, BUT finding porn actors and actresses who could make it convincing might be almost impossible.


I think Ed2009 has hit the nail right on the head. The kind of acting required to pull this off no longer exist in todays performers or at least not in B/G porn. I've seen it in many of the movies produced by Girlfrinds Films but that's all lesbian and it's not always convincing.

One of my favorite porn movies is the Seduction of Lyn Carter with Andrea True and the late Jaimie Gillis. The acting is excellent and the sex is pretty raunchy for a movie done in the 70's. This is the kind of movie that I would love see get remade but I know that the actors who could film it also doesn't exist anymore. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-02-11  08:12pm - 4792 days #16
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I haven't watched any Playboy videos in many years. And I only saw a couple of them from years ago. But I seem to remember that they were softcore sex, with a lot of romantic prelude of handsome man and female before they have sex, which was strictly softcore.

I don't know if Playboy is still cranking out that type of video. But you might look into it. I am not talking about the centerfold videos, or the internet model of the week videos. I am talking about their sex/romance videos which were strictly softcore.

10-02-11  08:25pm - 4792 days #17
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I think Ed2009 has hit the nail right on the head. The kind of acting required to pull this off no longer exist in todays performers or at least not in B/G porn. I've seen it in many of the movies produced by Girlfrinds Films but that's all lesbian and it's not always convincing.

One of my favorite porn movies is the Seduction of Lyn Carter with Andrea True and the late Jaimie Gillis. The acting is excellent and the sex is pretty raunchy for a movie done in the 70's. This is the kind of movie that I would love see get remade but I know that the actors who could film it also doesn't exist anymore.


Sounds like a challenge to me. I'm sure myself and my co-models can pull that off. I'll check out the original. Sean of Erotistic.com

10-02-11  09:25pm - 4792 days #18
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Playboy - Erotic Fantasies (1992)
Rated: X | Format: DVD
Amazon price $9.99


Playboy - Corporate Fantasy
Rated: R | Format: DVD
Amazon price 5 new from $4.69

Those are DVDs. I don't know if you can join some internet site to download those DVDs, which might be cheaper if you want to download a bunch of them. A DVD site would hopefully offer a wide selection of these titles. But many of the DVD sites might not offer this type of selection because it's probably too softcore to appeal to their audience.

I would guess that these Playboy videos have a strong romantic flavor to them. Whether they actually have a story with plot and whatnot, I don't know. And how explicit the sex is, I don't know. Because my understanding is that Playboy was basically softcore.



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Claudia (Susan Featherly) and Blake run a modeling agency. Nicole (Mia Zottoli) wants to be a model. Nicole is married. Claudia bets Blake that she can get Nicole to cheat on her husband. Does this sound familiar? Dangerous Liaisons? Cruel Intentions? Okay, the plot is a just little different, but this one's better, because unlike those movies this one has lots and lots of explicit sex.

There are ten sex scenes, which is pretty good for a running time of about 85 minutes. The first one starts up right at the opening credits and then there's a steady stream of sex scenes and female skin throughout the entire film. Eight of the scenes are boy/girl, one is boy/girl/girl, and one is girl/girl. Mia Zottoli and Susan Featherly are the main attractions in the film and have three excellent scenes each. The rest of the women are plenty nice to look at too and do a good job in their scenes.

This is easy to recommend.

10-03-11  01:03am - 4792 days #19
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I'm not saying this to be sarcastic or insulting. Please don't take it that way. There used to be a genre of porn that was marketed at couples. I found it a bit dull so I never looked at any unless it had a must-see star in it. But the theory was that women got the romance and men got some hardcore: win-win.

I have no idea if this kind of porn still exists or not, but if it does it might be what you're looking for.

I do have to admit that this made me think of a line from Bill Maher when he talks about hearing a therapist speak about men and women sharing mutual fantasies. He breaks the bad news to women by pointing out that there are no fantasies where a handsome man rides a horse across a field, sweeps the woman off her feet and embraces her, and then comes on her face.


Not only does that type of porn (couples-friendly) still exist today, it's probably the biggest growing porn "niche" out there right now, with quite a few major studios that weren't already making these types of movies starting to make them.

10-03-11  07:56am - 4791 days #20
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I have to disagree that this type does not exist.

You know, X-art has been releasing some very light to hard core in the same scene. They start off in some senerios like a new married couple and explore each other into eventual sex scene. But they never go raunchy, they just do get into mutual oral sex, and various penetrations. So not softcore, but they do it to where it seems almost real.

Of course there are those that like sweat, and tossing the girl around like a rag doll, spitting and pee scenes too.
And X-Art does not come close to that.

I like allot of the solo scenes that X-art does they have the sense of realism to them. Sometimes ( for me ) the straight sex scenes are a tad boring where it will take up to 10 minutes it seems to see a nipple LOL. Since 2007

10-03-11  10:14am - 4791 days #21
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


I haven't watched any Playboy videos in many years. And I only saw a couple of them from years ago. But I seem to remember that they were softcore sex, with a lot of romantic prelude of handsome man and female before they have sex, which was strictly softcore.

I don't know if Playboy is still cranking out that type of video. But you might look into it. I am not talking about the centerfold videos, or the internet model of the week videos. I am talking about their sex/romance videos which were strictly softcore.


Now this is the funny thing, lk2fireone. I don't mind for the sex to get very explicit. It is the leading up to it that I find lacking. I don't like Playboy. I subscribed to their TV channel for a few days and almost died of boredom.

10-03-11  10:28am - 4791 days #22
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Just to make things a bit clearer: I am not talking about DVDs like the ones put out by Wicked, Vivid, Playboy etc., especially the ones for late night TV. They all have stories, some even have romance as a theme, but in every single one of them the transition from introductory scene to completely naked seems too startlingly quick.

MY beef in general is with this abrupt transition from talk, or whatever, to being completely nude and in the middle of hot sex already. Realism (not romanticism) demands that there be some undressing before the action commences. That's all. Whatever they want to do after that is fine with me. Live and let live.

10-03-11  10:29am - 4791 days #23
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I have to disagree that this type does not exist.

You know, X-art has been releasing some very light to hard core in the same scene. They start off in some senerios like a new married couple and explore each other into eventual sex scene. But they never go raunchy, they just do get into mutual oral sex, and various penetrations. So not softcore, but they do it to where it seems almost real.

Of course there are those that like sweat, and tossing the girl around like a rag doll, spitting and pee scenes too.
And X-Art does not come close to that.

I like allot of the solo scenes that X-art does they have the sense of realism to them. Sometimes ( for me ) the straight sex scenes are a tad boring where it will take up to 10 minutes it seems to see a nipple LOL.


Thanks for the x-art tip, CT! Sounds good!

10-03-11  06:16pm - 4791 days #24
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Just to make things a bit clearer: I am not talking about DVDs like the ones put out by Wicked, Vivid, Playboy etc., especially the ones for late night TV. They all have stories, some even have romance as a theme, but in every single one of them the transition from introductory scene to completely naked seems too startlingly quick.

MY beef in general is with this abrupt transition from talk, or whatever, to being completely nude and in the middle of hot sex already. Realism (not romanticism) demands that there be some undressing before the action commences.


I hear you brother. You've described everything that I dislike about the majority of porn being produced right now. Whether they realise it or not. The gonzo mentality has inserted itself in all types of porn so that the lead up is gone and what you are left with his dialogue prior to the sex scene but then it switches to both parties already to go and the prelude to foreplay is left on the cutting room floor. Hell the foreplay is usually also left on the cutting room floor. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-03-11  10:14pm - 4791 days #25
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Okay, you're allowed to sit or lay on the bed for ten minutes, petting heavily, to use the old term, until you proceed. That any better?


Not really.

But your original post made me think of something similar between food and sex. And it is that when I am hungry for either one I tend to make bad decisions that I will eventually regret...

I think it's good advice to not go grocery shopping when you're too hungry, but also not be, um, "on the prowl" when you're too horny. This probably also explains why so many of us have way more porn than we will ever consume (fortunately porn seems to not spoil anywhere near as quickly as food). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 03, 2011, 10:23pm

10-03-11  10:21pm - 4791 days #26
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I do have to admit that this made me think of a line from Bill Maher when he talks about hearing a therapist speak about men and women sharing mutual fantasies. He breaks the bad news to women by pointing out that there are no fantasies where a handsome man rides a horse across a field, sweeps the woman off her feet and embraces her, and then comes on her face.


I remember this joke--so true!

Here's a YouTube link for anyone who's interested. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-03-11  10:35pm - 4791 days #27
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Of course there are those that like sweat, and tossing the girl around like a rag doll, spitting and pee scenes too.


Wait, are you saying these aren't romantic?

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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I like allot of the solo scenes that X-art does they have the sense of realism to them. Sometimes ( for me ) the straight sex scenes are a tad boring where it will take up to 10 minutes it seems to see a nipple LOL.


Hey, if 10 minutes from meeting a girl for the first time to seeing a nipple (hers, damnit!) was all it took in real life I would say that's hardly boring. Assuming more is to come in such a timely manner I would call it sexually efficient! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-04-11  05:35am - 4790 days #28
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Yes, actually it's one of the things I specialize on my site. seanuncut.com (Artistic, Passionate Porn)


Looks interesting Sean but it's a pity you have no real preview section to give some small samples of video etc. to give me a flavour of your site.

Also, whilst I can appreciate more artistic porn, I can't get on with black and white shots - I want to see the model naturally as I would see them, and that's not in black and white.

I think the OP is probably looking for more tender porn but not necessarily more "artistic".

As for more tender porn, I've seen some videos that come close, especially porn which claims to feature real-life couples. I find those are good because they're not acting - they really are in love so the sex is more tender and if they interview them before and ask about their relationship it's nice.

I can appreciate a plot if it's well done but as has already been stated, most models simply can't act well enough to make it convincing so it doesn't really work. Also whilst I can appreciate a "lead-in" scene to set the fantasy, I don't want 10 minutes of models eating dinner together before they get to the sex!

10-04-11  09:51am - 4790 days #29
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Also whilst I can appreciate a "lead-in" scene to set the fantasy, I don't want 10 minutes of models eating dinner together before they get to the sex!


That was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I would find that slightly boring myself. I simply reacted to the fact that, in most DVDs, we are practically thrown into a sex scene without proper foreplay or story. Or if there is a bit of a story the transition to raw sex is too annoyingly quick. Wouldn't do any harm to show a model undressing for a few seconds and then proceed on!

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^I think 10 minutes centered on 2 people eating would be a little long but if what you had was these same 2 people eating but the camera could pan so that we see that below the table you have the girl using her foot/feet to play with the crotch of her eating partner. You intermix those shots with some above table shots where the 2 players are exchanging sexual innuendos and that would go a long way in preparing us for eventual escalation. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-04-11  11:03am - 4790 days #31
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^I think 10 minutes centered on 2 people eating would be a little long but if what you had was these same 2 people eating but the camera could pan so that we see that below the table you have the girl using her foot/feet to play with the crotch of her eating partner. You intermix those shots with some above table shots where the 2 players are exchanging sexual innuendos and that would go a long way in preparing us for eventual escalation.


Now that sounds good to me, Pat. I never thought of that angle.

10-08-11  01:32am - 4787 days #32
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Although the idea sounds interesting, just ask yourself one question:

How many of those scenes would you watch without klicking the fast forward button? One? Mabye two?

I assume it's the same as usual. Once you get used to the setup, it's getting repetitive. Although I admit that the current direction of the industry is quite boring as well.

10-08-11  10:25am - 4786 days #33
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Although the idea sounds interesting, just ask yourself one question:

How many of those scenes would you watch without klicking the fast forward button? One? Mabye two?

I assume it's the same as usual. Once you get used to the setup, it's getting repetitive. Although I admit that the current direction of the industry is quite boring as well.


What's the difference between one DVD and the other at the moment? The action by its very nature is pretty well the same in all of them. Only the actors change. As you said, boring!

The difference, for me, would be in how a scene starts, what clothes and lingerie a woman wears and how quick the transition from fully dressed to naked is. A bit more emphasis on the clothing and lingerie would make every DVD different from the one before it. There is also tremendous tease value (that heightens the eroticism) in the act of slowly revealing what you have. Would that get boring as well after a while? Probably, but certainly not as quickly as the mindless super quick switch at the very beginning of a video to sex alone.

My objection is to the rapid transition from fully clothed to fully naked in most DVDs. It reduces everything to raw sex, which is fine with me but not if the whole scene consists of it. Then it becomes as boring as watching paint dry. It is during those lengthy scenes where they attempt every contorted position that *I* fast forward to the end.

10-08-11  08:11pm - 4786 days #34
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Originally Posted by messmer:


This is something I keep missing. A scene that starts with the actors having a drink or a meal, or both, that then slowly progresses toward the ultimate act of intimacy with a lot of kissing, tender caressing, and definitely slow mutual undressing before they eventually end up in bed. To me THAT would be sexy!

Would that still be Porn, I wonder?? What do you think?


It would be nice, but I'd still just fast-forward to the belly-down-flat-on-the-bed part and watch only that.

But that one's got to be sweet enough or I'll have nothing more to do with it. Breanne Benson has a scene in Swallow My Pride #10 (Red Light District) that's VERY sweet, for instance. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-09-11  06:40pm - 4785 days #35
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It would be nice, but I'd still just fast-forward to the belly-down-flat-on-the-bed part and watch only that.


Nothing wrong with fast-forwading through the parts of a dcene that don't appeal to you but at least you have that opportunity. It's very different for someone like me who wants more than just a naked girl lying in bed about to get f..d because I don't have those parts. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-09-11  06:50pm - 4785 days #36
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Nothing wrong with fast-forwarding through the parts of a scene that don't appeal to you but at least you have that opportunity. It's very different for someone like me who wants more than just a naked girl lying in bed about to get f..d because I don't have those parts.


How true!! Sigh!

10-10-11  03:44pm - 4784 days #37
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Nothing wrong with fast-forwading through the parts of a dcene that don't appeal to you but at least you have that opportunity. It's very different for someone like me who wants more than just a naked girl lying in bed about to get f..d because I don't have those parts.


Well! Glad I don't have that problem. Hee-hee ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-10-11  03:58pm - 4784 days #38
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This tenderness shit sounds like foreplay. If I have someone to play with fine, but I want my porn to the point. No screwing around lets fuck. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

10-10-11  07:28pm - 4784 days #39
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


This tenderness shit sounds like foreplay. If I have someone to play with fine, but I want my porn to the point. No screwing around lets fuck.


Of course the tenderness part is foreplay. You aren't the only one in wanting to skip foreplay altogether and just get the fuck part because that's what's being produced every day in the porn industry. It's called gonzo and every Tom, Dick and Harry with a camera does it. The only major difference in all these gonzo movies seems to be on the model performeing and the length of the finish product.

Gonzo is the McDonald of porn. You can get it everywhere, you know exactly what it will taste like before the first bite, the food selection is made easy by being always the same, it's served hot, and the portion should satisfy your hunger. That's a good thing because there is no surprise and you didn't have to think long about what to choose.

The problem is that it gets tiresome to eat the same thing all the time regardless that you love the taste. I want to eat in a restaurant where there are many selections and not just variation on burgers, where the food requires time to prepare so that I can salivate with anticipation on the coming meal and where sometimes it will be good but other times it will be amazing. Not too mention that with my restaurant I can always choose to eat a burger if I want. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-10-11  08:25pm - 4784 days #40
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well Pat don't let me put words in your mouth - McMac Porn is what I want ... If I want a story I'll purchase an Audio book to listen to, but there is not story in porn (like there is no I in TEAM - or something like that). It's interesting though that I will not eat at a McPlace or any other fast food place but I will eat at McMac Porn for sure. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!

10-11-11  09:46am - 4783 days #41
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


well Pat don't let me put words in your mouth - McMac Porn is what I want ... If I want a story I'll purchase an Audio book to listen to, but there is not story in porn (like there is no I in TEAM - or something like that). It's interesting though that I will not eat at a McPlace or any other fast food place but I will eat at McMac Porn for sure.


You are certainly not alone in your preference for McMac Porn, jberryl69, otherwise the market wouldn't be flooded with the stuff. What amazes me is that you still get a kick out of the gonzo, let's get straight to it, stuff.

Truthfully, my first reaction was, jberryl69 must be a young man until I checked your profile. Don't you ever get tired of same old, same old? I am not trying to provoke you, it's an honest question without any desire on my part to be confrontational.

10-11-11  09:14pm - 4783 days #42
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lol - you can't provoke me Mez - I happen to like and admire you - have for a long time.

To answer your question. As you might have suspected over the time I've been here (and only cause I've said it) I'm into oral sex - blowjobs - deep throat to be specific.

Well, honestly, there is no foreplay that is going to make that better. Like I said - if I was being able to play in real time then foreplay would be okay. But in the movies it's like going to a strip club - bores the crap out me cause I can't taste the candy.

So I'd rather just get to the nitty-gritty.

But more specifically to your question, Gonzo can pretty much bore me most of the time. It's not easy finding the right girl, right attitude, right skills to get Woody to stand up and salute. But it's not watching foreplay that's going to help. And, I tend to edit out all the intercourse, anal, foreplay, tease from what is my final view.

Ok, so I'm not very imaginative but at least I'm honest. It's how I rock right now and other than my libido going into the toilet which it will soon I'm sure, that's what's going to keep my interest.

But look Mez - that's me - I wouldn't want to put that onus on anyone else. That's why we chat here is to see what makes ppl like us tick.

Bon appetite my friend. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat!
Edited on Oct 11, 2011, 09:18pm

10-12-11  12:12pm - 4782 days #43
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


lol - you can't provoke me Mez - I happen to like and admire you - have for a long time.

To answer your question. As you might have suspected over the time I've been here (and only cause I've said it) I'm into oral sex - blowjobs - deep throat to be specific.

Well, honestly, there is no foreplay that is going to make that better. Like I said - if I was being able to play in real time then foreplay would be okay. But in the movies it's like going to a strip club - bores the crap out me cause I can't taste the candy.

So I'd rather just get to the nitty-gritty.

But more specifically to your question, Gonzo can pretty much bore me most of the time. It's not easy finding the right girl, right attitude, right skills to get Woody to stand up and salute. But it's not watching foreplay that's going to help. And, I tend to edit out all the intercourse, anal, foreplay, tease from what is my final view.

Ok, so I'm not very imaginative but at least I'm honest. It's how I rock right now and other than my libido going into the toilet which it will soon I'm sure, that's what's going to keep my interest.

But look Mez - that's me - I wouldn't want to put that onus on anyone else. That's why we chat here is to see what makes ppl like us tick.

Bon appetite my friend.


Fair enough, my friend! I know what it's like to favor a particular niche or act so I can understand why you would edit anything that doesn't turn you on.

As you may have guessed by now, stripping, sexy lingerie before the actual sex is mine .. "tenderness" was actually a bit of a misnomer I just don't like a model fully dressed one moment and then down on her knees, naked, the next. (Did I say that before?)

I guess that influences the way *I* look at everything. If the undressing is missing then the whole scene is boring to me.

Cheers and I'm glad you took my remarks in the right spirit.

10-12-11  02:48pm - 4782 days #44
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Have you ever heard of Nica Noelle? If not, take a look at her movies.

10-12-11  04:39pm - 4782 days #45
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Originally Posted by messmer:


As you may have guessed by now, stripping, sexy lingerie before the actual sex is mine .. "tenderness" was actually a bit of a misnomer I just don't like a model fully dressed one moment and then down on her knees, naked, the next. (Did I say that before?)


Perhaps more anticipation, tease & slow & steady progression, rather than tenderness?

Hardly a one word substitute for you, I'm afraid though.

The journey is just as important as the destination.

and a corrolary to that....

Arrival is a by product of the purpose.

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10-12-11  07:09pm - 4782 days #46
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Prior to foreplay, the intro or build-up which is so often badly done, is the the primary reason for a fast forward button.

One series (about 25 vids) Pornstar Tryouts, uses an old saw, the young lass looking for legitimate modeling work, and is ever so slowly brought on board to do naughty things in front of a camera. It is delightful. Marissa Jayden, thinking she is doing a Euro lotion commercial, has a revelation and looks to the director. " This really isn't about lotion is it?" Priceless!


Yes Cap'n The journey is as important as the destination unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

10-13-11  10:14am - 4781 days #47
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


Have you ever heard of Nica Noelle? If not, take a look at her movies.


No, I'm afraid I have never heard of her. I searched this site, found nothing, then tried to Google where I was led to some tube sites (which I have no intention to visit), then went to Videobox where there also was no mention of Nica Noelle.

10-13-11  03:31pm - 4781 days #48
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Originally Posted by messmer:


No, I'm afraid I have never heard of her. I searched this site, found nothing, then tried to Google where I was led to some tube sites (which I have no intention to visit), then went to Videobox where there also was no mention of Nica Noelle.


She releases DVDs and doesn't really put her stuff out on websites. She basically runs three companies right now: Sweetheart (girl/girl), Sweet Sinner (boy/girl), and Sweet Sinema (basically mainstream movies re-told as porn, but not in a parody style). The best you'll probably be able to do as far as finding the stuff legally on the net is one of those pay-per-minute sites like AEBN or Hot Movies.

10-13-11  03:44pm - 4781 days #49
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. Sean of Erotistic.com Edited on Jul 11, 2012, 01:14pm

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. Sean of Erotistic.com Edited on Jul 11, 2012, 01:15pm

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