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| 09-14-08 07:44am - 5905 days | #51 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
Wow, so the government pays for porn with one hand while trying to prohibit it with the other? It's an interesting twist :-). Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 09-14-08 08:11am - 5905 days | #52 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Nope, we're not going to do that. Users are allowed to decide their own reasons for the NO Trust ratings. As long as they give their reason, they're allowed to give a NO Trust rating. We don't always feel a Users reason is especially valid, but we're not ready to start forcing Users to only rate based on OUR criteria. Of course, we would hope that Users who may have given Trust ratings based solely on forum remarks (from both sides of the debate) would reevaluate their decision. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-14-08 08:48am - 5905 days | #53 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
That's exactly what I've meant (I've never meant to ask PU administrators to revoke users' ratings, sorry if I was unclear). Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 09-14-08 09:11am - 5905 days | #54 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It was my pleasure. I call it as I see it. You have the means to do it, I don't. I wish I could join a site for only one or two scenes but my porn budget is not big enough. I'm a collector of movies (mostly non-porn), and that is where the largest part of my budget goes. I have not counted my collection but 300+ would not be wrong. Does that make me a movie addict? Hell ya, but who cares, I'm not hurting anyone. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-14-08 09:47am - 5905 days | #55 | |
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wiild1 (0)
Unverified User Posts: 52 Registered: Apr 14, '07 Location: UK |
Agree with asmith12 and Khan. To me it looks strange that Drooler, badandy400, roseman all gave non trust ratings to williamj. At the other hand these three guys all got anynomous trust ratings which they probably think was williamj? It would be nicest if the people involved would all reevaluate their decisions. We all like to argue, discuss and maybe we disagree but that doesn't mean we should not trust each other? Non trust ratings hould be given to people that we belive are biased or maybe employed by a certain website. | |
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| 09-14-08 10:02am - 5905 days | #56 | |
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wiild1 (0)
Unverified User Posts: 52 Registered: Apr 14, '07 Location: UK |
Maybe I was wrong about exotics4me, maybe you are not an addict, but I still think this is a relevant discussion: I think it is healthy for the site and the forum to question if we really should encourage and pay pornusers to submit high numbers of reviews!? I think most of the top ranked reviewers are submitting many high quality reviews to get "cred" from others, they want to feel appreciated, but when someone adds too many reviews I think we should tell them: hey that's not healthy, go out and do something else for a while! | |
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| 09-14-08 12:07pm - 5905 days | #57 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Need a research assistant? I need some big deductibles and my porn budget would be a big one!!! Promise, I won't charge you a penny. | |
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| 09-15-08 09:01pm - 5903 days | #58 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Hey now Monahan. Dont make me rattle off my porn collection size again! I wanna be the one who gets to write off things! :) Seriously though, I am so incredibly jealous of that. By the way, WilliamJ has pulled his NO trust. That is good, and of course I will do the same in a moment. It is very hard to trust someone who will not trust someone for reviewing a good bit and getting mad at them in the forum. So I believe mine and Roseman's NO trust to him was justified. On that note, since he was reasonable enough to at least pull away from that I feel that he deserves to at least be back to neutral. I am hoping he will post in again and we can see if we can get this discussion going in the right direction. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-16-08 06:35am - 5903 days | #59 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Strange, is it? How so? Someone accuses you of faking reviews in order to improve chances of winning raffles and what should you do? Just lay there and take it? That's not in my nature, and I make absolutely no apologies for that. I'm happiest when all is civil and just, but when it isn't, I'm not going to be a human doormat. I fight back. I know absolutely certainly it was williamj because his "Anonymous" on Sept 10th changed into "Williamj" on Sept. 15, yesterday. He changed his "No" to a "Yes," but his comment that my reviews "all read the same" and that he stands by that was not changed. So now he's talking out of two sides of his mouth at the same time. I'd call that "strange." So I gave him another quid pro quo, changing the "No" I'd given him to a "Yes," but editing my comment to maintain the record of what he did and my view of it, and of him. But saying that all of my reviews "read the same" is nothing but bullshit piled high on a buffet platter. The pros and con's may look similar in format, and I've already explained in this thread to anyone with a heavy "duhhh" factor in their feeble little brains as to fucking why that is. If Williamj is annoyed by books that have tables of contents, chapters, and indexes, it wouldn't surprise me. And until the day that porn sites come in the form of animals, minerals, and vegetables, my pro's and con's will suffer a certain similitude. Hey, whattayagonnado? But a fair look at the bottom line comments I've written about different sites shows for sure that they don't read the same. They're all unique to each site. Even the tone varies from "delight" to "neutral/analytical" to "pissed off." LOL. I've given at least as much to this site as I've gotten from from it. And get this: 19 of my reviews were written this year, just 25% of the 75 in total. I wasn't even signed up for the raffles until 2008, and that wasn't until Jan. 20th. I'd already posted three reviews in January before even participating in the raffles. So only 16 of my reviews, 21%, had anything to do with my winning the raffles. See? I somehow don't think that this was part of williamj's purported "homework and research." No, I think he missed that one. Why? Because his "research" was tainted by his agenda. So I write completely true and honest reviews, every last damn one of them, all on my own nickel, too, and get hit with this bogus claim that I'm cheating and that the other 4 most productive reviewers are, too. Yes, ALL FIVE OF US! Somehow I think williamj would do beautifully in life as a fascist thug/informer. He's got the right stuff for that. You know, I don't have to contribute reviews here. I can just go on my merry way. It wouldn't be any skin off my ass. None of us log in to PU to be handed a dose of shit from other users. Believe me, if it keeps up, I'll be gone. And I won't give a damn if I'm missed or not. I don't need it. Here's an idea: For some really devilishly prankish fun, now that we can fully edit all of our reviews, I could write a truly "generic" review and then replace the content of all of the reviews I've even written with that one! Ha-ha! THEN williamj would have a nice post hoc rationale for his silly claims. (Don't worry, I won't really do it.) I just checked and as of this moment, my odds of winning the raffle today is 23%! Holy shit, and I haven't even written a review yet this week! Viva la Inquisition! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Sep 16, 2008, 07:54am | |
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| 09-16-08 08:15am - 5903 days | #60 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Drooler, Just keep in mind that all but one of us PU fans respect, enjoy and use your efforts in writing your reviews. Simple but effective response: Illegitimi Non Carborundum(Safire's New Political Dictionary, this is "a pseudo-Latin phrase meaning 'don't let the bastards grind you down'.") | |
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| 09-16-08 08:21am - 5903 days | #61 | |
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apoctom (0)
Active User Posts: 3 Registered: Jul 01, '07 Location: California |
You are a bigger man than I. As the #6 ranked user, I managed to avoid williamj's sweeping accusation of the top 5 reviewers. I'm not sure how I would have responded, although my initial reaction was to vote No Trust. After reading how civilly the discussion continued, I am torn between acting out and ignoring it. TBD. | |
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| 09-16-08 08:47am - 5903 days | #62 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Originally Posted by Drooler: So I gave him another quid pro quo, changing the "No" I'd given him to a "Yes," but editing my comment to maintain the record of what he did and my view of it, and of him. Droolers, this is only my take, but I never ever give anyone the ability to have power over me. I view this topic and responses like Road Rage, one person does something and another responds equally. Hey its just me but by allowing anyone to make you respond now that gives them power. My problem is William did something bad and then the response is to do something bad to him? I do not see that as Civil. I see that as validating him and empowering him to get a response. Do not get me wrong I think " he is a wining prick " not only taking on obvious valued members but doing it in open forum was rude and very unprofessional. I did not see a need why anyone should have responded to him, ya know hes just the rust on the can here you know and I know it. I get why you responded and thats normal to get pissed when others do shit like this. But that gives him recognition. Now if someone who meant somnething here attacked your Rep, then by all mean respond and take charge. I have seen all to many times ppl respond in these forum and end up making the bad guy a good guy down the road. All this stuff gives him attention in a site his was nothing and now everone knows his name and thats because of us not him. Cybertoad. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-16-08 10:18am - 5903 days | #63 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Apoctom, consider yourself lucky. I was number 11 and got hit. My "number beside my name" is less than half of yours. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-16-08 10:34am - 5903 days | #64 | ||
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
Hat off to you. I'm not sure if I would be able to do it in your place, but I'm pretty sure it's the right thing to do. Nonwithstanding :-) ...
You have your own opinion, he has his own opinion, I agree with you, somebody else agrees with him, it's all about different people having different opinions, isn't it? All such "read the same" comments shall be read as "read the same to the person who's writing it", and IMHO that's his right to read it "the same". Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | ||
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| 09-16-08 11:47am - 5903 days | #65 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
You make a very good point that responding to him does "validate" him at least in the sense that it makes it seem as if what he says and does deserves attention. And maybe that's it. Both children and even adults will sometimes invite negative attention rather than have none at all. (And by adults here I mean only people of a chronological age of majority.) I know that when someone wants to get a rise out of me that I have choices in how to handle it. This time around, I choose "guns blazing" even though I knew there were risks. And I've also had my fun with it. Not the "trust rating part," but just the discussion on the thread. And the kind of "power" that he may be seeking is a very shabby and sorry variety. What a loser. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-16-08 11:50am - 5903 days | #66 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Oh, sure he has the "right" to read it as "the same." And he has the "right" to say so here. And I have the "right" to respond as I choose to. And you have the "right" to tell me what you think of that. And ... (?) You see, "rights" are not the issue here. The issue is closer to proper exercise of judgment. And I know my own judgment about the whole "williamj tempest in the teapot" has been questionable. And least I've learned again how to spell "judgment" the way an American is supposed to. Darn if I wasn't using the British spelling before! I mean, with all due respect to our friends across the Big Pond. Didn't mean to offend! Anyway, "rights" are hardly the crux of the matter for justifying or criticizing behavior. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Sep 16, 2008, 12:05pm | |
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| 09-16-08 12:03pm - 5903 days | #67 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
PS Droolers I forgot to add , in all honesty I can say I might have done the same exact thing, in fact I have just not here in this forum. But whats probably cool is all the top 5 get to know that you are supported here even though you do get the cool stuff LOL. But seriously if anything this too validates that ppl trust you guys . Since 2007 | |
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| 09-16-08 12:26pm - 5903 days | #68 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Thanks. I can probably speak for the "Big Porn 5" in saying that those kind words are very much appreciated. Yes, it can be tough at the top. ;) And people who win big just about always have detractors coming out of the woodwork all set to make their cheap shots. But the sequel is rarely as good as the original. What I mean, with some irony of course but in all seriousness too is that I really agree with what you said before about simply leaving it alone when a detractor decides to come out and stir the pot. Maybe we can all agree to take your advice, because it's probably the best advice: When someone tries to get under your skin, just ignore them. And so that's what I'll do, starting with the person who says, "Hey, Drooler. You're mixing your metaphors!" I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-16-08 12:49pm - 5903 days | #69 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
But if looking at it from this perspective, don't you feel that there is no one single "proper" judgement? Some people will think (and tell) one thing about your reviews, some other will think and tell something different, so who's a "proper" judge for them? As all the people have personal and subjective opinions, my own (personal and subjective) answer to this questions is the following: there is no such "proper" universal judge "for everybody", everybody shall judge for himself. Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 09-16-08 01:20pm - 5903 days | #70 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, I never said there was a "universal" judge for "everybody." Nor did I say that there is a "single proper judgment." So much for that. Look, society is full of unwritten rules and norms. You've never heard of anyone using poor judgment or proper judgment in a given situation? In the situation here, it's not proper judgment to accuse someone or a group of people of writing bogus reviews in order to win raffles without at least some valid proof. It's not proper judgment because it unfairly insults them and makes yourself look like a fool. Obviously, there's more to it than the fact that different people have different opinions. It's metacognitive skill called "judgment." And yes, it's not purely objective. I never said that it was. People may not always agree on whether someone has exercised good judgment or not in a particular situation. So what I call judgment is what I call judgment. How could you possibly think it could mean something else? And that's all I'm going to say about it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Sep 16, 2008, 01:29pm | |
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| 09-16-08 10:53pm - 5902 days | #71 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
LOL I won 50.00 today cool, umm there goes Williams theory again. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-16-08 11:59pm - 5902 days | #72 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
While I do agree that porn addiction is a relevant discussion, I'm not for sure that singling one member out is the way to go about it. I would be glad to talk about these things like addiction to porn, but it is kind of hard when someone is making conclusions about me without even asking my opinion. Also, you mention that we all like to argue, I don't agree with that at all. I spend the better part of 10 hours per day listening to people's problems and PU is a way for me to unwind. I think others would agree, like Drooler, Denner, to name a couple that like joking around on here too, like I do as well. Most importantly, you said you like to argue, but you didn't acknowledge my replies to you that asked why you said 150 reviews when it was less than half of that in a year? My point being, debating is okay, but you have to be willing to reply back to the person's replies to make that fair. The part though, that I want to reply to more than anything you have said is the part about getting cred or to be appreciated. Look at the other side of that next time. Williamj, a member with few reviews and yourself, a member with few reviews go after the highest ranking members. Wouldn't that be more likely as you all trying to get cred? Like the little man in the bar that goes in and picks a fight with the big guy in the bar? I'm just saying that some of what you say doesn't have much logic to it. Oh and this worries me, "We should tell them". Why do you think it is our place to diagnose people just based on how many reviews they post? I also feel the same as Drooler, most of us more active members are known for joking around and having fun on here. Getting called out by other members is where the fun stops. I hope that I have stayed civil in all of this, just because I like TBP and PU and wouldn't want to disrespect their site or staff. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 09-17-08 12:13am - 5902 days | #73 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
You would be surprised, sometimes, looking at porn as work, makes it redundant and boring. It also leads to burn out. I think that is why I have 10 favorite models that are the main ones I collect. A funny story about the assistant. I needed an office assistant back in June. What I was looking for was someone who would even come in on days that I am not in office to work on the books, set up appointments, etc.. I called one of the temp companies. The guy that owns the temp company, is a longtime friend, he asked "What skills are you looking for?" I told him, "brunette, nice long hair, nice figure, likes wearing fishnet hose and she can't speak, in case my wife calls" he replies, "Sorry, I already hired her as my assistant!" My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on Sep 17, 2008, 12:37am | |
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| 09-17-08 01:06am - 5902 days | #74 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
LOL would be a good thread by the way Since 2007 | |
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| 09-17-08 06:32am - 5902 days | #75 | ||
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
I'm not disputing this (and never did). But my ranting wasn't about this statement (which is fairly obvious), my ranting was about the "right" of somebody to see your (mine, whoever else) reviews as "boring" or "the same", and tell it on PU without replies like "nothing but bullshit", that's it. As a side note - personally I don't think that your reviews are "the same", but (referring to famous Voltaire's quote) I'm defending right of williamj to say it.
Can't help but recall of Lewis Carroll here :-). Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | ||
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| 09-17-08 09:23am - 5902 days | #76 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Damn it now Drooler. After all this you go off and win the $100 raffle. You are just trying to start shit again aren't you? :) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-17-08 10:11am - 5902 days | #77 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
As in "I have said it thrice: What I tell you three times is true." ? "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 09-17-08 10:16am - 5902 days | #78 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Me and my luck. You know, I waited until the middle of the following day to even check my email, and wouldn't you know, my measly 9 points or so lead to a $100 prize. Well, that's chance for you. And I didn't even write a review. There is a downside to this, though: Taxes. It all has to be declared as income. So the state and our lovely federal government will get a slice. Let's just say I did it for AIG. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-17-08 01:01pm - 5902 days | #79 | |
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wiild1 (0)
Unverified User Posts: 52 Registered: Apr 14, '07 Location: UK |
exotics4me: relax, I am not trying to pick a fight. I didn't acknowledge your replies as I thought it would lead to nothing. I was actually sincere and concerned when I argued that you and others with +50 reviews per year might have an addiction. This thread is all about questioning the top reviewers and your intentions; this thread makes this site and forum more trustworthy, more relevant. There must be other threads that are more suited for you, Drooler, Denner etc to joke around in. | |
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| 09-18-08 12:39am - 5901 days | #80 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Speaking of joking around and just generally having fun, check out the dirty song parodies at What Freaks. I've contributed a few myself, under a different moniker, Rudee. (Somehow "Drooler" doesn't sound right to me for this site.) Look under performer, then Eagles, Damn Yankees cast, Richard Thompson, and The Thompson Twins. And perhaps other PU members would like to pitch in some parodies, too. (FYI, it can take even a couple of weeks before they get officially posted.) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-18-08 05:59am - 5901 days | #81 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Funny stuff, the ones I saw were the Eagles and Richard Thompson, I had all but forgotten Richard Thompson too, now I look at the song a lot differently. I had read a funny parody song about Enter Sandman by Metallica called, "Enter My Hand" about fisting of course. I wish I could remember it. Have you ever listened to Richard Cheese? If not, he is hilarious. He remakes hardcore rap and metal songs into swing music. I will check back on there, I can only imagine the Thompson Twins song. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 09-18-08 04:04pm - 5901 days | #82 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
The Thompson Twins parody is on that song "Hold Me Now," changed to "Blow Me Now." I recommend playing the video on YouTube and reading along with the parody in another window. It was a nice pop song, but kind of dippy. "Blow Me Now" fixes that. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-18-08 05:43pm - 5901 days | #83 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I have done that already at this point, so has williamj, that is why I changed mine. I believe drooler has as well, I have not checked roseman. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-19-08 04:26pm - 5900 days | #84 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, exotics, I checked out the "Me llamo Richardo Queso!" lounge-lizard salsa treatment of "Sunday Bloody Sunday." And "Enter Sandman" and "Welcome to the Jungle." It is funny and amazing how well it works! Yet it also kinda makes me think of that old Bill Murray act on SNL. Thanks for the tip. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-19-08 09:29pm - 5899 days | #85 | |
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roseman (0)
Suspended  Posts: 29 Registered: Jan 15, '07 Location: Toronto, Canada |
lol, actually I never waited until you reviewed all Brazzers sites and then wrote a review to make your ones look dead. As I saw you did review some of their sites after my reviews :) I was too busy those days and I just checked this threats replys. I hope you liked Brazzers content though as I said many and many times in my reviews, they need more newcomers and more natural breasts girls. '' Velvet Roses In My Way '' Edited on Sep 19, 2008, 09:35pm | |
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| 09-19-08 09:37pm - 5899 days | #86 | |
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roseman (0)
Suspended Posts: 29 Registered: Jan 15, '07 Location: Toronto, Canada |
Actually, william decided to remove his negative vote for me. Honestly, I don't even fucking care about it, LOL . '' Velvet Roses In My Way '' | |
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| 10-24-08 10:48pm - 5864 days | #87 | |
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nygiants03 (0)
Active User  Posts: 23 Registered: Apr 15, '07 Location: USA |
You obviously haven't put a lot of time reading my reviews, If I am one that you criticize. In my final notes I usually give data that only a member would know, and that is found no where else on the internet. I usually give a lot of personal opinion. My facts sometimes even contradict some porn site reviews from any porn review site. Obviously on occasion you will get a similar fact or note, because we are rating the exact same site. Some facts, are FACTS. | |
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| 11-03-08 02:29pm - 5855 days | #88 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
This seems to be as good a place as any to make an outsider's comment/suggestion. I don't think any anonymous rating should count. There are a few reasons for this. Obviously if one member does not like another he can mess up their percentages. Another reason is, that one member may not like the negative received from another, and so posts a negative in retaliation. Another reason would be that certain sites may not like negative reviews, so register as members, earn a few points, and then leave a negative to blacken the image of the member that left a fair review. Obviously removing anonymity would not stop all the above happening, but it would make the whole process more transparent. I think it would certainly help. | |
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