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06-19-13  07:58pm - 4204 days Original Post - #1
RagingBuddhist (0)
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Stop panicking

I know it's a big change to have lost the raffle but I don't really understand the sense of doom people are putting out there. PU was a great place to be before the raffle came into existence, so there's no reason it still can't be. So what if there aren't reviews coming one after another? The polls are still there and the forum is still wide open to anything that might be on your mind. And, if anyone had been paying attention to what Rick said, there's stuff going on behind the scenes - changes that might just be worth sticking around for.

Will we lose people because there's no longer a chance to win anything? I'd say most definitely. But I also think that this big change will have a side effect that most people haven't thought about - it might just clean things up. Maybe we'll get better, well thought out reviews and less comments that had only seemed like they'd been put up for the raffle points.

As I've said time and time again, I pretty much join the same sites over and over again, so I really don't think putting up a new review with every sign up is worth doing. But I'm still here, just about every day, checking out what people have to say. The slower pace as of late hasn't bothered me that much - other than the fact that people are calling this the beginning of the end for PU.

Stop panicking. Stick around and see what happens! Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

06-19-13  08:27pm - 4204 days #2
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^ I couldn't agree more. Well said. A true neck-lover.

06-19-13  11:10pm - 4204 days #3
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I wouldn't say I'm panicking. I know there hasn't always been a raffle, but the porn market was a bit more buoyant back then. And regarding "So what if there aren't reviews coming one after another" - reviews are the main reason I visit

I'm not going to leave, but I'm less inclined to review sites if I'm not convinced as many people are reading/will comment - that's all

06-20-13  04:58am - 4203 days #4
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


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. But I'm still here, just about every day, checking out what people have to say. The slower pace as of late hasn't bothered me that much - other than the fact that people are calling this the beginning of the end for PU.

Stop panicking. Stick around and see what happens!

Ditto!

06-20-13  11:06am - 4203 days #5
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Yes well said RB. I can see both points of view, but time will tell. It will be interesting to see what Rick and co do next. It is possible the lack of raffle will mean more quality.

06-20-13  11:07am - 4203 days #6
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I am waiting, with an open mind.

So far all that has happened is that a unique hook has been done away with.

In all honesty though I doubt a mainstream hook along the lines of discounts to hardcore networks would appeal to me.
I am hard pushed to find any site worthy of a subscription.

As things stand, my main hope for continued participation would be via the forum, if we can get contributor & contribution levels up again.

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06-20-13  02:12pm - 4203 days #7
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I've been more active on this forum this last year then any other time. You guys come up with some interesting topics that I can't discuss anywhere else, and they are very intelligent discussions, which I don't find much of in other forums. Warning Will Robinson

06-20-13  02:53pm - 4203 days #8
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Originally Posted by Capn:


I am waiting, with an open mind.

So far all that has happened is that a unique hook has been done away with.

In all honesty though I doubt a mainstream hook along the lines of discounts to hardcore networks would appeal to me.
I am hard pushed to find any site worthy of a subscription.

As things stand, my main hope for continued participation would be via the forum, if we can get contributor & contribution levels up again.

Cap'n.


One thing about the forum, it stands alone. Contributions to the forum never affected the raffle, so in a way it is the most honest of the sections on PU. It would be nice to see a few more active members.

06-20-13  03:47pm - 4203 days #9
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I still stop by every day, to see what's going on.
I know that people are putting up less reviews lately, but I also think that many people are joining sites they were members of in the past, so there's less reason for them to write a new review.

I know that mainly, instead of joining a completely new site, I'd rather spend my money joining a site that I found to be acceptable in the past.

There are plenty of sites out there that I wouldn't mind exploring. But my time is limited. And my money is even more limited.

I wouldn't mind finding some porn site that I found to be absolutely fantastic. But I've already found a number of sites that I think give pretty good value.

06-20-13  06:21pm - 4203 days #10
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I'm in the same boat -- probably the Loi Krathong type -- as RagingBuddhist is. I've done a lot of reviews and have really, really, really slowed down the output.

But there's still plenty of activity here. And even if there's a review slowdown, why worry?

I think there was a lot of activity in the early years of this site because there were so many sites for members to review and comment on for the first time. For the long-lived sites, that's finally been done quite a lot. In other words, PU has "matured," at least in that way. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

06-21-13  05:38am - 4202 days #11
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


I think there was a lot of activity in the early years of this site because there were so many sites for members to review and comment on for the first time. For the long-lived sites, that's finally been done quite a lot. In other words, PU has "matured," at least in that way.


This is a good point. What I want to see is members still doing those reviews of the same sites because online porn has changed a great deal over the last 5-6 years. Twistys, Teen Pink, Video Box, ZTOD, ATK, Karups, and DDF to name a few examples, were huge names and had a number of reviews, but how do they match up against today's front runners?

Things are changing, with differing numbers of updates, HD and better quality video, photos all looking the same, and dirty tricks which weren't used before by reputable sites. What I'm saying is we still need to be informed, so reviews are useful for telling us how good sites are relative to their contemporaries.

Things have changed in porn but members don't want to do reviews of those same sites. The only thing that kept them doing that was the raffle, and reviews make money for PU. The early days of PU are over, and it is maturing. If PU survives, it will be interesting to see how it evolves. Edited on Jun 21, 2013, 05:45am

06-21-13  04:26pm - 4202 days #12
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Given my limited interest in porn, I must admit that most of my interest isn't in reviews but rather participation on the forum.

As Biker1 said,

"You guys come up with some interesting topics that I can't discuss anywhere else, and they are very intelligent discussions, which I don't find much of in other forums."

Seriously! If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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06-22-13  09:26pm - 4201 days #13
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Like lk2, I just haven't been joining many sites lately, and the ones I join tend to be stuff I have already reviewed or that have been well reviewed with my sentiments by a fellow PUer.

Also, it is the summer (well, in the northern hemisphere), people do tend to get busy around this time with vacations and whatnot... Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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06-23-13  12:42am - 4201 days #14
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Given my limited interest in porn, I must admit that most of my interest isn't in reviews but rather participation on the forum.

As Biker1 said,

"You guys come up with some interesting topics that I can't discuss anywhere else, and they are very intelligent discussions, which I don't find much of in other forums."

Seriously!


It's unsanitary, JB .... having took the words right out of my mouth.
Reviews obviously do serve a crucial purpose. But the forum (at least in my mind) is a granite wall of strength Representative of the little Dutch boy who plugs a dike with his finger. Until the finger is removed here, we're safe.
Best porn (reviews) and the forum have a marriage of absolute necessity...... I shutter to think of the consequences (Preposterous as it may be) that would befall this site should that union be threatened.

I too agree with Biker's astute assessment of the interest and intellectual treasures beholden this forum.
Its fair to say We're Porn's answer to the likes of Google's partnership with wikipedia.
Nuff' said.

06-23-13  08:44pm - 4200 days #15
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Hi I'm still kinda here lurking..I log in every once in awhile and participate in the polls and see if any replies are there. I still try to give out trusts if I see good reviews and reply to replies if needed regardless of the raffles. I check the forum every once in awhile, maybe I should try to be more active in it but I have been slacking. About 2 months ago, I had a rejuvenation and checked out a few sites I love and rejoined but I don't feel it necessary to review.

I like I still see names I recognize and I'm not sure anyone really recognizes me, It has been awhile since I have been active. But, I do appreciate the people who do stay active cuz I still check out things, even if I don't respond often. To add, the stuff I read is as great as ever, so I really do enjoy the insight everyone has in the polls, reviews, comments, replies, and forum even if I don't respond often. Thanks for the actives and I will try to make an appearance more, regardless of the raffles cuz I cared less before. Sexted From My iPad

06-23-13  10:33pm - 4200 days #16
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Nice to see you are still around, GC.

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06-24-13  11:44am - 4199 days #17
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Originally Posted by GCode:


Hi I'm still kinda here lurking..I log in every once in awhile and participate in the polls and see if any replies are there. I still try to give out trusts if I see good reviews and reply to replies if needed regardless of the raffles. I check the forum every once in awhile, maybe I should try to be more active in it but I have been slacking. About 2 months ago, I had a rejuvenation and checked out a few sites I love and rejoined but I don't feel it necessary to review.

I like I still see names I recognize and I'm not sure anyone really recognizes me, It has been awhile since I have been active. But, I do appreciate the people who do stay active cuz I still check out things, even if I don't respond often. To add, the stuff I read is as great as ever, so I really do enjoy the insight everyone has in the polls, reviews, comments, replies, and forum even if I don't respond often. Thanks for the actives and I will try to make an appearance more, regardless of the raffles cuz I cared less before.


Hey, GCode, it's great to see a post from you. I've had you under my personal favorites since May 2009 and really missed your contributions to this site. Please stick around and help us liven up this forum. It's been in the doldrums for a while which is very frustrating to me because I like to gab. I've initiated a few threads but gave up because I found myself whining too much.


06-24-13  02:19pm - 4199 days #18
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Originally Posted by messmer:

I've initiated a few threads but gave up because I found myself whining too much.

It's perfectly acceptable to bitch when the bitching is warranted. Change your name to RagingMessmer and whine away as you see fit! Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

06-24-13  02:49pm - 4199 days #19
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Maybe I should be Crusading Cap'n.

Unfortunately, if we go by results, it would be more Don Quixote than Richard the Lionheart though.

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06-24-13  06:47pm - 4199 days #20
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


It's perfectly acceptable to bitch when the bitching is warranted. Change your name to RagingMessmer and whine away as you see fit!


You made my day, RB. RagingMezz! I like it!

06-30-13  01:16am - 4194 days #21
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I think it's undeniable it's quietened down since the raffle ended. I know everywhere porn-related is quieter, but it's undeniable there's been even more of a drop-off in the last month-or-so.

For example, I can't remember the last time my reviews or comments got any replies from PU users. It doesn't encourage me to make the effort to review any sites.

To address a few points made in this thread, to me there's been no increase in quality of reviews - if anything, the quality has declined.

And I'm a little dismayed people here aren't really fussed about the reviews. If it wasn't for the reviews here, I would never have joined and certainly wouldn't have continued to contribute. Porn sites seem to be worse than ever, so if this aspect of the site dwindles and I can't read about the pros/cons of a site before I join, it will be a sad day and the site will lose a lot of it's value IMHO.

So yeah, this isn't me panicking, but likewise, I'm not sticking my head in the sand and pretending there isn't a problem.

In the meantime, I am 'sticking around', but I'm not particularly inclined to take the time to contribute much.

06-30-13  06:28am - 4193 days #22
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I noticed the same thing about the quality of the reviews. One of the reasons suggested was regular members not wanting to do reviews of the same sites over and over, and without the raffle, it shows how much of an incentive that was.

Reviews are the main reason for PU's existence, but nowadays I use free download forums as much as I use PU/TBP to determine which sites to join. I like to see a well written review, but seeing one 100 words long on the front page, doesn't encourage much further digging if you're new to the place. PU/TBP got this part wrong. Lousy reviews mean less income.

Dodgy practices are now widespread, and it appears older members are less willing to try new sites. All in all it amounts to less action on PU. Edited on Jun 30, 2013, 06:31am

06-30-13  06:52am - 4193 days #23
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I'll have to counter the idea that the reviews are getting worse by pointing out that the shorter, less informative reviews are still being written by some of the newer members here. That's pretty much the same as it's always been. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

06-30-13  08:28am - 4193 days #24
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Originally Posted by Marcus:


I think it's undeniable it's quietened down since the raffle ended. I know everywhere porn-related is quieter,


You may be right but I'm not willing to equate the two just yet. I still think that the main reason for the drop off is that there are no new sites that are worth joining and most of the established ones already have plenty of good reviews.

Originally Posted by Marcus:


For example, I can't remember the last time my reviews or comments got any replies from PU users.


Can't speak for your comments but I know that I haven't commented on your most recent reviews because they are mostly all for solo models and I rarely comment on those. I find that the bulk of them are bad. The only thing that distinguishes one from the other is normally the level of bad.


Originally Posted by Marcus:

to me there's been no increase in quality of reviews - if anything, the quality has declined.


True but you must have noticed that all of the unimpressive reviews are pretty much all from newbie reviewers. Now I'm sure some can be forgiven for their lack of info on their reviews but some of these smell of free advertising.

Originally Posted by Marcus:


And I'm a little dismayed people here aren't really fussed about the reviews. Porn sites seem to be worse than ever, so if this aspect of the site dwindles and I can't read about the pros/cons of a site before I join, it will be a sad day and the site will lose a lot of it's value IMHO.


I don't know if you followed the recent shit storm the site "I dream of JO' created but I'd say that there was plenty of back and forth in the comments and the reviews. Mind you it does get tiresome to do that when the reviewer is not open to suggestion. After a while you just give and move on.

Originally Posted by Marcus:


So yeah, this isn't me panicking, but likewise, I'm not sticking my head in the sand and pretending there isn't a problem.


I'm not panicking because I think that it's useless to do that but I don't expect the immediate future of the porn industry to be bright. Manwin is under investigation for fraud, Evil Angel and John Stagliano are being sued by a performer who claims that she was never told that he is HIV+ and she claims that there were some contact that border on the sexual(more women might come forward). Mr Marcus is being sued by at least one performer who claims that he gave her syphilis, He went to jail for 30 days because he faked his test and put many performers at risk, Elegant Angel who is or was one of the top porn studios is now dying a slow death, the number of performers that have left the industry in the last six months is staggering and that's getting worse. I could go on but it's not going to sound any better. Long live the Brown Coats.

07-01-13  03:01am - 4192 days #25
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Well, the raffle was a big incentive, no doubt. If it wasn't, PU wouldn't have paid out 200$ a week for years.

07-01-13  09:49am - 4192 days #26
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^I'm sure that it helped but it was never the reason why I joined this site nor why I'm still here and I don't think I'm alone. I think that the drop in reviews is endemic of the porn industry in general. Long live the Brown Coats.

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