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| 05-25-10 12:28pm - 5231 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Inquisitive minds want to know: beastiality? What beastiality? A current running thread has raised questions about a subjest we may not see much about in main-stream porn: beastiality . Where is it? Why don't we see more about it? etc., My initial guess it doesn't surface more because of the tainted stigma attached to having sex with animals....and although I'll get a lot of flak from saying this... I personally find that no less disturbing than "anal sex" between humans. But how widespread is this human/beast phenomena? You can get some idea by simply asking Google...the search wagon of selections on the subject are seemingly endless. Wanna get an in-depth look? Most would already know that's available in any number of educational reference sources available on the web. We all harbor varied feelings and have our own concept about this practice...and one which stands out to me is the difficulty grasping young women actually giving a blowjob to a horse, being mounted by one, or even having notions about one. If that's shocking, then you don't even wanna know how far things actually do go on in this kingdom of weird. | |
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| 05-25-10 12:39pm - 5231 days | #2 | |
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purduerachel (0)
Active User Posts: 26 Registered: May 22, '10 Location: Indianapolis, IN |
i have to say, i dont know how much is out there...but just the other day i was at the bars with some friends and one of the guys thought it was funny to show a porn slide show on his phone...it was a girl fucking a donkey. there were probably 10 different pictures of this girl and donkey. i am going to say that i feel it is probably more prevalent as "joke" porn. but i am not too sure... | |
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| 05-25-10 12:50pm - 5231 days | #3 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Beastiality (or bestiality) could be found in great quantities on the usenet at one time. There were various groups dedicated to it. It was almost overwhelmingly sex between women and dogs, ponies or donkeys. Because of the degrading nature of the material many countries have outlawed it and one, therefore, sees less and less of it. Same with anything depicting non-consensual violence against women. Some things are truly obscene! | |
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| 05-25-10 01:04pm - 5231 days | #4 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
And people think sexting is the worst thing being done with phones... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-25-10 01:22pm - 5231 days | #5 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I imagine the reason bestiality is not more widespread is simply the size (or lack thereof) of the fan base and the laws in place. Granted it's already illegal to produce even the softest of soft porn in most of the U.S. but producing/selling/buying bestiality porn seems to be fairly taboo even before people start talking about the law. Besides the 'disturbing' factor a lot of people view it as a form of animal abuse since animals cannot give consent--though we seem to do pretty much every other cruel act imaginable to animals with no qualms at all. Graymane1777, though you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I would say there is a big difference between the taboo of anal sex and the taboo of changing species. Still there are plenty of prudes out there that think that any type of sex (between humans) is disturbing and 'evil' so the thought of anal sex probably freaks them out more than bestiality does to others. Anal sex used to be fairly taboo within porn--maybe not as much as animal fucking, but it was pretty rare at one time--but it's now so common that it's almost more unusual not to see it. Maybe the industry will regress and make anal rare again... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-25-10 01:29pm - 5231 days | #6 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Yeah, there used to be a lot more beastie stuff on the net (at least easier to find) years ago before all the legal filings on websites became standard and when the web was still pretty wide open. I remember seeing beastie stuff on some sites where they had the usual porn stuff too, just another category to view. Since no major billing processor will handle such sites I think a real risk one runs in looking for this stuff is getting ripped off and then having no place to complain. We don't see more of it because it's illegal in a lot of places, probably fits a lot of states/countries legal standards of obscenity so prosecution is a big threat and because its only a small group that really get into it for reasons ranging from morality to legality to the "Yuck" factor (I don't see a pet dog and think how I'd love to tap that ... my wandering eye usually fixes on humanoid babes, not literal "bitches" ) . While others don't view it as a big deal I don't like it simply because it exploits animals. Yeah, we exploit animals every day (I particularly enjoy exploiting parts of the tasty ones on my grill) but forcing yourself on an animal (at least where humans do the penetrating) is really just another form of abuse in my book. Again, people abuse animals every day but that doesn't make it right. In cases where the animal is penetrating a human, its just a situation of artificially stimulating the animal to do what comes naturally to an unnatural mate. I don't attribute human emotions and thoughts to animals but instead look to why people are doing it. In this respect my thought is that the situation is analogous to child porn in that the kids are being put into a situation they don't understand to fulfill someones sexual desires. Animals probably don't suffer the long term psychological scars as kids do but they're just being in an unnatural way where their consent really can't be implied - "consent" is just a stimulus response. As long as people have been around they've screwed anything from 2 to 20 legs and probably quite a few plants, trees and holes in the ground as well. If its between consenting adults or inanimate objects, who cares. When you're manipulating another person/creature to get your rocks off and that beast really doesn't know what the F is going on then you're just exploiting someone/thing because you can get away with it. So, that's my manifesto against the beastie folks; it's really just people with a fetish who exploit the exploitable. This isn't a vegan statement, we raise and always have raised animals for food, work and other uses. Sex isn't the reason we keep animals, it's something we can get them to do that isn't part of their job description. | |
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| 05-25-10 01:43pm - 5231 days | #7 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Just so no-one accidently crosses a line ... Let me state clearly that we will not allow photos or links to bestiality to be posted anywhere at PornUsers. You are welcome to discuss the subject in general. 'nuff said Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 05-25-10 01:49pm - 5231 days | #8 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I can't imagine that there is a big fan base for this. Of all the people I know who watch porn no one has ever expressed and interest in this kind of material. And in Canada, where I live, it is also illegal. I'm not sure about the U.S. and Europe though. | |
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| 05-25-10 01:54pm - 5231 days | #9 | |
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yadayada321 (0)
Active User Posts: 19 Registered: Jan 29, '10 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
beastiality is something that is more often practiced than it is sold. it's pretty easy to find a forum through google where you can post, "I have a hung dog; anybody want to party at my place tonight?" (though you'll get more gay guys if you post that way). being in a regular porn video is damaging enough for most young american women who start porn; think what would happen to them if doing animals was more common since we live in a fairly religious world. most of the beast stuff in usenet is foreign (south american countries and other places where nobody cares who the female in the video is and we don't know her neighbors or parents, who are probably too poor to afford porn/internet/usenet anyways). Edited on May 25, 2010, 01:58pm | |
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| 05-25-10 02:04pm - 5231 days | #10 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Considering the act is illegal in most if not all civilized countries, let alone filming and distributing it... | |
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| 05-25-10 02:10pm - 5231 days | #11 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
This mind doesn't want to see, hear or know anything about bestiality. It's hardly equivalent to anal sex. It's gross and abusive to animals. | |
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| 05-25-10 02:33pm - 5231 days | #12 | |
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Belthazar (0)
Active User Posts: 27 Registered: Jan 13, '07 Location: Prague |
It is really easy to find tons of bestiality material on the Internet - DVD series etc. Bestiality videos are produced mostly in South America, Japan, Russia etc., but many countries have law against selling, producing, distributing - with no law against owning. When I was youger, I thought that only ugly, druged or crazy girl may do such a videos, but after downloading a few DVDs from internet I was really shocked - many beautiful girls. Women: Different hardware, same software | |
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| 05-25-10 03:00pm - 5231 days | #13 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
Agree completely. Anal sex between adults is consensual, so whatever someone else might think about it is totally irrelevant. Sex with animals is obviously non-consensual, and it is a whole nother thing entirely. Edit: of course I eat animals that were killed without their consent, so maybe I'm having some cognitive dissonance about this issue. If I were to stay true to my beliefs I should really become a vegetarian. So you may dis-regard what I wrote above, although I still think sex with animals is rather disgusting. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! Edited on May 25, 2010, 03:06pm | |
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| 05-25-10 03:06pm - 5231 days | #14 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
King Kong is about the closest I'll come to accepting bestiality. For all the trouble they are, I still really like women. And they won't crap on your floor ... though they might pee on it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-25-10 03:08pm - 5231 days | #15 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
If Aria Giovanni crapped on my floor I'd consider it an honor!  Just kidding. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 05-25-10 03:11pm - 5231 days | #16 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Boy, you guys are sensitive. I never ever thought of bestiality as animal abuse but of degradation of human beings and of the human spirit! Some lines you just don't cross! | |
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| 05-25-10 03:11pm - 5231 days | #17 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Carrots don't consent to being eaten either. And then there is the problem of treehuggers and all the non-consensual groping  | |
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| 05-25-10 03:13pm - 5231 days | #18 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
Carrots and trees aren't conscious, at least as far as we know. But I see your point.  You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 05-25-10 03:15pm - 5231 days | #19 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ovuszoophilia.htm Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 05-25-10 03:18pm - 5231 days | #20 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
I've always considered that to be the "politically correct" objection to the act. As we can no longer even acknowledge biblical sins out in the open any more, the message needed to be tweaked just a bit for the sins the atheists happen to agree with too. | |
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| 05-25-10 03:29pm - 5231 days | #21 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Tell the truth, up to the time this thread was started I had never looked at sex between humans and animals as anything but a perversion. To see it called "animal abuse" is startling to me, to say the least. My dictionary calls this type of view: anthropomorphism. If I cared that much about animals' emotional well-being I could not, in good conscience, eat that next pork chop. | |
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| 05-25-10 03:47pm - 5231 days | #22 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
A big difference, yes...but the sheer nature of forcing one's penis into an un-natural orifice walled with fecal matter in my mind is logically a bit disturbing...I don't care how you cut it. The fact it's generally an accepted practice and obviously important to a large segment of people, certainly gets no objection from me as to it's stand in a sexual environment. I appreciate your deplomatic approach in defense of an opposing view. [QUOTE=turboshaft] Graymane1777, though you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I would say there is a big difference between the taboo of anal sex and the taboo of changing species. | |
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| 05-25-10 05:37pm - 5231 days | #23 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Two words: Fleet Enema. | |
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| 05-25-10 06:09pm - 5231 days | #24 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
... and people wonder why submariners eagerly enlist to spend months underwater with 100+ guys  Actually, I'm responding more to Messmer's claim of anthropomorphism. Fundamentally, beastiality is a taboo act and "taboos" are really nothing more than cultural norms justified by 1) prior history of the act being labeled taboo 2) religion (basically same as #1 only with God calling the shots) or 3) morality (same as #2 only with some post 6 pack yammering reasoning - isn't that why the McKenzie brothers are the philosophical heroes of Canada?) So, all the reasons articulated above in this thread are really no more grounded than simply saying "It just ain't right ... now squeal like a pig." My point is that you aren't being "human" if getting your rocks off on some beast that really can't consent and is just along for the ride isn't being real civilized and that's the point. A bunch of internetless sheep herders from 200 years ago might be tempted but aren't we a bit better than that today? When societies concepts shift from "things we can conquer and use to our advantage" to "what things should we be preserving instead of exploiting" I think you have to raise the bar higher. | |
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| 05-25-10 06:27pm - 5231 days | #25 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It's a perversion--though there are probably arguments for that being good and arguments for that being bad--but people also see it as animal abuse probably because of the type of animals involved. Not to go into too much detail, but when most people talk about bestiality they seem to be talking about animals that people usually own as pets or for recreation so that's why it's seen as abuse in addition to the perversion aspect--they certainly would not want someone doing that to the animals they own. There are obviously a lot of double standards when it comes to animal treatment; people 'love' their dog or cat or whatever (non-sexually!) but have no trouble gobbling down a large steak or chicken for dinner. The affection people have for their pets is not seen as anthropomorphism, just simple caring (again, non-sexual). Now is it just me, or do we need to put this thread to sleep?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-25-10 06:38pm - 5231 days | #26 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
The thought of getting "my rocks off on some beast" repulses me and I certainly agree with you that it isn't civilized, witty and that we should be above that. Or in your words: that we should set the bar higher. It's my feeling that if we don't WE abuse OUR humanity. But to ascribe to animals the capacity to feel abused or humiliated or even to suspect them of being capable of the notion that: "Hey, I didn't consent to this," is an attempt to see things through their eyes which is anthropomorphism. Animals may be and are being exploited on a daily basis at slaughter houses for our eating pleasure but I don't think exploitation on a sexual level is possible. The awareness of right or wrong is missing. Chances are they would give the action no more thought than a fleshlight would. | |
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| 05-25-10 06:45pm - 5231 days | #27 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
(Okay, I know I just said that this thread should be put down but this is a little  ...)It's interesting you mention that, Wittyguy, because the U.S. Navy recently mentioned allowing women to serve on submarines starting sometime next year (I have to say this administration is great at making decisions that will only take effect sometime in the future, exact dates to be determined). The military services are not exactly known for their sterling egalitarianism but gender-separated jobs and duties seem to written in stone for at least all of the different branches. You would think that because modern atomic submarines can stay submerged for so long--some even armed with nuclear weapons--in the event of a large nuclear conflict they may end up carrying the last living humans on earth and you would want at least a few healthy females with them in order to 'restart' the species. Just a thought. Possibly a brain  . "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-25-10 06:58pm - 5231 days | #28 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I remember a female friend of mine sending me a small clip about 8yrs ago of a woman giving a BJ to a horse. The clip lasted maybe 30-40 seconds and culminated with the horse doing what any stimulated male would do in that situation. I can't say that it offended me but I had just comeback from lunch and that video didn't help my digestion All that to say that I tend to take messmer's view on the subject of beastiality. It's not so much animal abuse as human abuse. If the majority of beastiality films involve a woman with a male animal then can we truly say that this animal was abused because he was sexually stimulated. I've had a few dogs try to hump my leg over the years. If I let them do it then does that mean that I'm abusing that animal? I would say that in the situation of a female stimulating an animal. The female is the one that we should feel bad for and not the animal. You could argue that he had no choice but I'd say that she had even less than he did. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-26-10 06:26am - 5231 days | #29 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Hopefully, by the time a nuclear war starts, we will have gotten past the stage where you need men and women to procreate. In the future, as part of their supplies, nuclear subs will carry frozen sperm and eggs, so the different species (including humans) can be re-started as needed if the world is blown to hell. Isn't that God's backup plan for Earth? The subs themselves can be unmanned, with HAL 9000 commanders in control. | |
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| 05-26-10 12:42pm - 5230 days | #30 | |
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nostromo (0)
Active User Posts: 131 Registered: Sep 22, '07 Location: madrid/spain |
 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. H.L. Mencken. | |
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| 05-26-10 03:08pm - 5230 days | #31 | |
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BabyGetReal (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Jul 26, '09 Location: Western Massachusetts USA |
Thanks for this link. The legal list is very interesting, but even more enlightening is the open-minded, fact-based, discussion of bestiality by Peter Singer. The link to it in the above webpage is broken: the current URL is http://www.nerve.com/opinions/singer/heavypetting May of the comments posted there are also fact-based and open-minded. Thanks for posting this, RagingBuddhist! | |
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| 05-26-10 03:25pm - 5230 days | #32 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
Here's an argument for you. The food chain is part of nature. One species fucking another species is not something you come across a lot in the natural order of things. | |
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| 05-26-10 07:02pm - 5230 days | #33 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Mr. President, we must not allow a sperm and egg gap! | |
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| 05-26-10 09:40pm - 5230 days | #34 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It might happen more than you think. Domestic dogs have been known to breed with coyotes and wolves, at least where they are in close enough proximity to do so (on or around ranches in the American west, for example). Other animals species can be interbred as well, though it usually seems to be the result of human interference (I guess the same problem with the subject of this thread...), like the mule, which is made from a male donkey and a female horse. There has even been recent evidence from DNA studies that early humans bred with Neanderthals, though I am guessing difference of appearance at the time was not great enough to make the Homo sapiens or neanderthalensis stop from crossing the species line. Today though humans don't have any other species with which we can interbreed, so when we try...well, just read the thread. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-31-10 09:45pm - 5225 days | #35 | |
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markfx (0)
Active User Posts: 21 Registered: Sep 28, '09 Location: Oakland, Ca |
I might understand some instances of both men and women having private relations with animals. Then I guess a minority of those might consent to public displays including filming as part and parcel of their own evolving libido. But, I would guess most are involved due to financial and/or psychological pressure. It's not for me and I don't want a close family member getting into that business. | |
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| 06-01-10 07:04pm - 5224 days | #36 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I suspect that the number of people willing to perform in beastiality films is rather small. The only advantage I can see is that the money might be really good since it is a very rare fetish. I don't know if there is as large a market for guys to have sex with animals as much as there is for women having sex with various animals. I've seen at least one well known female pornstar do scat porn in her career so it's possible that having a dog lick you is a step above eating fecal matter. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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