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| 03-27-09 08:36am - 5749 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Anonymous no-trusts We've had a lot of discussions about "trusts". And Khan is doing a GREAT job in keeping things right/straight. So just this question (again): What about older anonymous no-trusts? An exampel: I see that ace of aces has such a no-trust back from 02-16-08 - AND that ace has asked several relevant question to the anonymous user - without ANY response - that way to completely ignore another user is not very polite.. So I'd suggest a delete of those kinds of older anonymous and not replied/argumented no-trusts. BTW: Changed my avatar because of the upcomming celebration of the One-Year PU-birthday.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Mar 27, 2009, 09:01am | |
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| 03-28-09 07:16am - 5748 days | #2 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
This was addressed when we made the last change to the Trust Rating system. Sorry but, if the negative trust rating came with a reason, it stays. Users (anonymous or not) are under no obligation to engage in a back and forth discussion regarding their trust ratings. We think it's great if they do, but it's certainly not a requirement nor reason to remove their rating(s). Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 03-28-09 08:40am - 5748 days | #3 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Ok, but I still think that it's not very fair - in this exampel - to ace of aces - that this anonymous user ignore some quite resonable questions regarding the no-trust vote........ "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 03-28-09 09:05am - 5748 days | #4 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
If the user didn't reply to the inquiry about the no trust vote, why does it really matter if they're anonymous or not? Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 03-28-09 02:48pm - 5748 days | #5 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Maybe, for the sake of a user maintaining their reputation, the trust rating system could be done just like the reviews - outdated trust ratings could expire just like outdated reviews. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 03-28-09 09:08pm - 5748 days | #6 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I do not know that I agree with that either. The trust system is there for a reason and I believe should be left as is. If trust rating begin disappearing a lot than I believe people, including myself, will begin losing trust in the system. I know it does suck that Ace and a few others have that one sour spot that keeps itching at them. But what we need to remember is that when we post a review it shows the number of trust votes for yes and no, not the percentage. If someone has 20 yes and 1 no than it reasonable to assume most people will still trust the person. The trust system has even more restriction than the review system does in respect to how can do what and what counts. As we all know, anyone can post a review but until they reach 5 points their reviews are not factored into the scoring of the site. We seem to agree that this is a good practice as it protects scores from shilling. The trust system requires the user to have 5 points before they can even post there. So that user had to at least submit 3 reviews but likely 5 or more to get there. Odds are they were not here to stir things up or frustrated as many of our single review users are. Do I like anonymous NO-Trusts? Absolutely not, but I can see reason for them. I have always submit displaying my name, yes or no and fortunately the only No-Trusts I have received were not anonymous and I was able to talk things over with those users and clear up any muddy waters. Perhaps I sound like my noise is a few shades browner than the rest of my face, but I am going to have to say I agree with Khan and the PU staff's decision. I am sure it can not be easy to disappoint long time users but they have to make decisions that protect all of the light and new users. Otherwise this site will end up just being us long time, heavy users and we will not be able to retain any new people. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 03-29-09 12:17am - 5748 days | #7 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Yo, I am still a new user to this place and I am still trying to gain trust amongst my peers here. Fortunantly, I have not encountered a negative trust rating yet. However, in my short stay so far, I'm not gonna lie, I feel like a lot of negative trust ratings are not given to others due to the fact that there might be negative trust retaliation from a newer member. After reading this, I noticed that the trust ratings are monitored but I suppose I am unknowledgable as to how it is all handled. There have been a few newer users that post reviews that are almost pointless in facts and staying true to contributing good material. Usually, if I feel this way, I have tried to post a reply to the review with questions that may steer them in a better direction or just give me a better heads up. Most of the time, this results in a non reply. I suppose my question is, can I feel secure that if I give these users a no trust with a good reason and they will not just give me a no trust right back at me just to get me back? I know this is straying away from the actual subject of this post but has anyone had experience with this? I strongly feel that the people I have gave positive trust ratings are seriously trying to contribute to the base (even if some of the reviews are a bit lacking to my standards, which I guess is a bit higher than most), but I guess I am a bit concerned that I might get tagged negatively quickly if I dish out some negatives to others that I feel deserve it. Dunno if anyone feels the same but I am still new and I do feel this way. What do ya think? -GCode Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 03-29-09 12:48am - 5748 days | #8 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
GCode, The way I do it, if I give a positive rating, a lot of times, there isn't much to be said. Also, you can give advice to some even with a positive vote and get an attitude back from them since they don't want advice, so I've stopped doing that and usually just give a yes with no comment or a short comment and figure that the yes vote is enough. On the few no votes that I have gave, I do post a reason and try to explain it as well as possible. I also try to check back on ones that I have clicked "no" on to see if they have either changed whatever caused me to click no, and if so, will go back and change to yes, but that has only happened once or twice. Edited in I wouldn't worry too much about the retaliation no trust vote, for one thing, it would be very obvious. I had a few no trust votes, one was finally worked out between myself and another member, and the other was one I received way back when the site first started. Sorry about the edited in part, storm knocked my internet connection out. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on Mar 29, 2009, 01:18am | |
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| 03-29-09 01:31am - 5747 days | #9 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
GCode. You have a ability to post a No Trust for a reason. If you feel you need to use it than by all means do so. If a few respected members do not trust a user than it can be a good indication to other users. Do not worry about what people think. We can all read the replies sent back and forth in the even of a retaliatory negative. I do not trust someone who is willing to throw those out there and with no true reason to back their actions. So far you are doing well here and would likely receive a little support, and if nothing else we can tell if the No-Trust you receive is warranted or not. If it is not than there is nothing to worry about. Also, keep in mind that a brand new member can not retaliate against you. Not until they get a 5 next to their name. Most people that put in a little time and get at least that far will likely be more reasonable. Usually when a newbie does something dumb and get slammed with negatives they do not come back. Moral of the story: Speak your mind. Let us know when you think something fishy is going on. That is what this site is for. We like people who are open and honest. We do not want to have to wonder what someone is really thinking, it should be on the page. Exotics: I love your signature line! "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 03-29-09 09:34am - 5747 days | #10 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'd like to think that for the most part we can all be mature and reasonable when it comes to no-trust ratings. If I receive one than I will not automatically retaliate and give the poster a no-trust rating. I used to have 3 until this years new rules. All of them were anonymous. It's not fun, but I would have accepted them if they at least had a comment attached to them. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-29-09 07:31pm - 5747 days | #11 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
I officially declare this topic "beaten to death". Unlike a hoard of assassins standing around waiting to wade into a fist fight with Bruce Lee or a "red shirt" beaming down on an away mission with Captain Kirk or some gunslinger staring down Clint Eastwood; we all know the ultimate fate of those unfortunate souls. Here, we're just trapped in a great circle jerk of life vortex, destined to debate the topic ad naseum until ... nothing other than one's viewpoint is accomplished ;) Stop me before I metaphor again or start making sense, whichever comes first. | |
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| 03-29-09 09:24pm - 5747 days | #12 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Sounds like a plan. After all the staff have already made their decision on this matter. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 03-30-09 04:35am - 5746 days | #13 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
GCode says: "I suppose my question is, can I feel secure that if I give these users a no trust with a good reason and they will not just give me a no trust right back at me just to get me back?" If you feel strongly about this, then you can always submit your rating as anonymous. Though as you've seen, that kind of rating isn't well received by some. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 03-30-09 09:19am - 5746 days | #14 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
After reading through these posts I suppose my thought process was a bit on the paranoid side. I guess since I'm newer I wanted to build trust quick since I understand how it is to be picky in site choices and most of the time, not being sure with true hard facts of a site before joining it. Plus, I take reviews seriously because of this mentality but I also understand humor and opinions of others. That's why I try to trust everyone even if their review is quite bland, let alone obvious to being factless. Therefore, as I said before, I want to encourage others to do better and would rather give them a reply first with questions or suggestions. However, I also don't want to sound like a review nazi. So far, I have only thought about giving negative trust ratings twice and this was due to that fiasco with that recent website and the flurry of reviews taken place that were obviously fake and a user who was obviously just posting some shit review just to get some tickets. But, I never knew you had to get 5 trust ratings before you can even get tickets so I suppose just ignoring them so they can't get to 5 may be a better strategy. Plus, to answer Khan's suggesstion, I don't think I would ever give anyone any rating (positive or negative) that was anonymous. I know it's put in place for reasons, but I think that just kills the trust of the community in general if we are allowed to bash someone elses reviews without even letting them know who we are. We are all adults here and I can take certain comments with a grain of salt, especially if it was an anonymous no trust rating. However, I just hope everyone else can notice that the user has a ton more positives compared to negatives and can make a proper judgement call...My 2 cents. -GCode Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 03-30-09 07:13pm - 5746 days | #15 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
GCode. I believe you misunderstood. You do not need five trust rating to be able to posts trusts. You need five review points. So, if someone has 0 trusts and 20 review points they can post trust ratings. At the same time someone with 20 trusts and 0 review points can not post trusts. For example the user, Bletch, he has 4 review points and 7 trust votes. Bletch can not at this point post any trusts votes. I just wanted to clear that up. So when we were going off about the site being spammed a few weeks ago had you voted NO on those users they would not have received any ability to vote back. They could have received 100 NOs and not be able to vote back. Being able to vote NO is one of our ways to scare away the spamming monsters. :) Speak your mind and let people know then they are doing something very wrong. The trust system is a sure way of getting there attention. Replies to them get buried after a few days, but Yes or No sticks with them and is easy for everyone to see. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 03-31-09 02:24am - 5745 days | #16 | |
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deanpro (0)
Suspended Posts: 18 Registered: Mar 24, '09 Location: United Kingdom |
What's this trust thing you're all talking about? I posted a link once and Khan spoke to me about it, does that mean that I now have a negative trust thingy? Who do I get a negative, I just need to know so I don't get one. Thanks http://www.SeriousMistressesForums.com | |
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| 03-31-09 06:11am - 5745 days | #17 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
It might help if you read the Announcement where we first introduced the Trust Rating System ... https://www.pornusers.com/announcements.html#1723 While we've made a number of changes to the system since it was first launched, the announcement should give you a good feel for what they're about. Looking through other announcements or doing a search here in the forum will offer additional discussions on the subject. If you pull up any user's profile, you'll see the trust ratings they've received. You've received no trust ratings, positive or negative. That's probably because you've never submitted a Review and most of your participation has been only here in the forum. And no, when I spoke to you that was more along the lines of an official reminder not to promote free sites here. It had nothing to do with the Trust Rating system. Hope that helps Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 04-01-09 01:23am - 5744 days | #18 | |
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deanpro (0)
Suspended Posts: 18 Registered: Mar 24, '09 Location: United Kingdom |
Just read them now, thanks Khan http://www.SeriousMistressesForums.com | |
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