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12-14-09  10:20am - 5487 days #19
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Appreciate the comments. So far the new section has boosted our homepage hits, so that's good news! I was a little worried after the initial reaction that it would bomb.

Speaking of bombs, the LouisDeMirabert hot entry turned out to be after reading the latest posts here. We've removed this one (as much as I loved that photo) and will be updating our review/site facts to reflect this new information.

What's it gonna take to have you guys assist in choosing the hot sites? lol

Free blowjobs from the TBP mascot? :)
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12-10-09  10:19am - 5491 days #6
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Originally Posted by Capn:


I think you have to look closely at the sites you are going to feature there, as like it or not, casual surfers are going to take the fact that it is featured there as a recommendation. :0/


Yeah, good pt.

At the very least, the small write-up will usually explain why they are featured...

Descriptions from the 2 new sites we've labeled so far:

"Although we haven't been able to check out the member's area yet, Real Ex-Girlfriends seems to be pretty popular with our users according to our stats. It's a promising new site you may want to check out."

"There's a new teen site available called My Teen Maid. The girls on the tour look hot, and that's probably what all the buzz is about. Well, that and the awesome 1920x1080 high-definition videos they advertise."

It's not meant as a true recommendation, but to highlight the new sites people are visiting most. We'll try to focus more on quality sites, but as you guys know, it can take a few weeks to find a really good new listing.

We always listen and improve. In the end if it's not a good idea, we move on. I think it has potential. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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12-10-09  09:30am - 5491 days #2
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Agree, My Teen Maid may not be the best choice (I honestly haven't checked that site myself). It was chosen since it was one of the most popular new sites we've launched this wk (based on the high number of outgoing hits from our site).

We want to make this section useful to everyone. It's not an easy task, but I think there's a good idea here. The toughest part (which I think many here share) is finding interesting new sites. We'd love to get your ideas and input to make it successful.

Here's the What's Hot criteria and submit page:
https://www.thebestporn.com/hot_submit.html

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12-09-09  01:28pm - 5492 days #5
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Not really insta hating, guess my attempt at sly humor today just ain't flying. I sort of assumed there was some advertising associated with the new fangled look, my apologies for assuming (we all know who that makes asses out of ;) For me, I think because I'm used to the TBP site and know how to find my around I don't see it as big improvement, just a flashy improvement. I think newbies might have a different opinion. Could also be that I'm tired of flashy stuff at this time of year and just want calm ... maybe I just need to drink more -- yeah, that's the ticket.


I appreciate your spontaneous gestures and comments, so no big deal. I can see why one would think it's placement for promo ads. Hopefully the flash isn't a major distraction and maybe once in a while there will be a hot site even you didn't know about Witty! :) The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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12-09-09  12:42pm - 5492 days #3
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Well, unless it scratches my balls and rubs my back I wouldn't exactly call it burning hot. While it is nice eye candy that's about all it is for me. It just looks like advertising where some new sites pay to place their wears in a shiny new format or where TBP can advertise it's newest deals. Nothing wrong with the format but it's not really an "asset" to the site in my book. (Sorry to harsh your high man).


Why the insta-hate? Sites do not pay to be there. We handpicked the initial group with zero outside influence and take submissions as well. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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12-09-09  11:40am - 5492 days Original Post - #1
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Working on the official announcements right now, but this cool new section is now live at TBP:
https://www.thebestporn.com/home.html

Read how we select new hot sites here:
https://www.thebestporn.com/hot_submit.html

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12-07-09  09:57am - 5494 days #4
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Hi picdude,

This issue should be resolved now. Kevin found and fixed the problem. You should have an e-mail from him.

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12-01-09  09:06pm - 5500 days #3
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Cool, hadn't read that article yet. :)

Good try witty g, good try.

For everyone's interest, Ken's primary job is to act as marketing director and webmaster support. Him suggesting to others webmasters that they should "promote" their sites is simply backing up the praise our reviewers have given.

Ken is there to support the sites, keep them happy, and be available for them. However, they know our reviews are off limits. They have no direct control over the outcome, period. The only preferential treatment we do accept from sites is the ability to give our users discount prices, which we gladly accept! :) The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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11-30-09  02:20pm - 5501 days #3
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Thanks Denner for your nice words!!

We have 2 milestones upcoming...

-5,000 reviews
-10,000 registered users

I'd love to reach both quicker, but as we know getting porn buyers to participate is a major challenge. We spend as much as we can each month to attract new users through adwords and other ads. Anything the community can do to "spread the word" (as I'm sure many do already) helps a lot!!

In the meantime, we're very thankful for those who have taken the time to participate and help others. The level of information can't be matched anywhere else! The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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11-25-09  06:12pm - 5506 days #2
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		If a site gets 2 or more legit nominations, then we will assign it for review (if we have a member pass) or consider purchasing a pass to review the site. This happens about once a week.

I wonder if there's a bug with the system that prevented you from nominating the 2nd time. The only limit is one per site. Can you give me the site that worked successfully and the site that didn't?

Feel free to e-mail us if you want to keep the sites confidential.

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11-09-09  02:48pm - 5522 days #5
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Yeah it's a white labeling partnership with FreeOnes.com. Skinned by Videobox for FreeOnes users, but the exact same site. We don't list white label sites, so you won't find it at TBP or PU. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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11-04-09  04:47pm - 5527 days #2
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10-15-09  10:40am - 5547 days #10
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Originally Posted by LostFaith:


Thats a nice and original idea, I like it. When or if I ever qualify for it though is another matter.

RB, you could get your angry face imortalized in cartoon form.

Did the same man do the pornusers staff avatars? they are good.


BTW, it's not the same artist who did the staff avatars unfortunately.

Jerry is a comic strip artist, here's an example of his work:
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10-14-09  04:43pm - 5548 days Original Post - #1
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We pre-paid a cartoonist, Jerry, to create custom avatars at no charge to our most active users. If (or when) you reach 100 forum posts, we'd like to reward you with a free custom avatar!

If you have 100 or most posts, here's how to proceed:

1. Think of what you'd like your avatar to be. Could be just about anything! There are no real limits, as long as it follows our general avatar guidelines.

2. Use our contact us form (make sure you're logged in) and send us an e-mail with the subject "Free Avatar". Assuming you qualify, we will reply with Jerry's e-mail address.

3. Send Jerry an e-mail with the subject "PornUsers.com Avatar" and describe in the best detail possible what you want your avatar to look like. Send him a picture or whatever you think would guide him in the right direction.

4. He will e-mail you back your free custom avatar (he's usually pretty quick). It's that easy!

You can do whatever you want with the avatar, it's yours to keep! You can use it on this forum or any other forum. There's also no requirement to use it if you choose not to.

This offer currently will be ongoing. So if you don't have 100 posts yet, don't stop posting! Once you reach that mark, you can claim your prize.



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10-07-09  02:05pm - 5555 days #13
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


Rick, check out Porn Pros for auto-sign-ups without checking anything. The last time I joined, I was pretty sure that I had unchecked the pre-checked items, was surprised when I had an auto-join confirmation hit my inbox. When I immediately cancelled that spam site, the cancel page had an auto-join to another bs site that I missed in my haste to cancel the damned thing so I had to go cancel out of there.

That crap combined with Porn Pros crappy vid quality will keep me out of that site for the foreseeable future - unless they want to pay me for my time to be scouring their damned deceptive join page and spending time cancelling their auto-join crap sites.

It was a couple months ago and I haven't been back so I don't know if this is still the case with their join page. Doesn't matter - they lost me as a customer.


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10-06-09  06:26pm - 5556 days #5
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Originally Posted by LostFaith:


I have noticed with some that even if you click anywhere at the bottom of the screen and you are not actually clicking the box, it still unchecks/checks the tick. So if you just miss clicking the accept transaction box before trying again, it will still have ticked the cross sale, without you realising it.


Wow, this is seriously shady.

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10-06-09  12:10pm - 5556 days Original Post - #1
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That is my latest question for you guys.

Many sites now use pre-checked cross sales. If the site shows them clearly written on the join page, above the submit button and easy to read..

Does that affect your decision to join the site?

Do you think it is a problem or do you just uncheck them?

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10-01-09  04:11pm - 5561 days #27
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Originally Posted by LostFaith:


Are filesharing sites etc helping the porn industry more than the porn industry care to admit?

I mean judging by the responses on this thread, people have sampled from the darkside first and then ended up joining paysites afterwards.


Ah, interesting. ;)

I think the industry is threatened by tubes more than anything else, especially those that allow user posted videos (which are usually illegally posted). More or less, producers feel violated when their content is re-published without their control or permission.

For sure the $$ has dried up considerably in 2009. There's much less to go around and the factors are debated all the time. Either way, the economy and tubes seem to be a major contributor to the decline. I also believe the increase in shady/greedy billing practices (sometimes outright fraud) can't be ignored.

Producers are quick to blame piracy for the downfall. Nobody can deny they are being ripped off. But piracy has existed ever since the beginning, even during the golden era of porn. Judging the opinions in here so far, maybe it isn't as big of a threat as they perceive. Fact is, real fans will fork over the card! The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-28-09  09:12pm - 5564 days #10
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Thanks to everyone who has replied so far. Please keep them coming and keep this thread alive as long as possible. This type of information is invaluable to us. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-28-09  02:13pm - 5564 days Original Post - #1
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Need as many replies as possible to this.

Would you spend money to join a pay-site that you know has its content posted on surfer forums, bit-torrents, tubes, etc? If so, why?


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09-10-09  09:19am - 5582 days #39
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


W-W-Well I didn't do that. I just said that we could look forward to it. Changing code and testing it takes time and patience on the part of all concerned. Sure, if were a "starfish," I'd be a drooling one, but ...


Mix, stir, shake!! Repeat. :) The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-08-09  02:36pm - 5584 days #29
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Here's what Khan and I came up with as a good and simple solution:

-Newly created users (as of the day it goes live) can create a thread as normal and will be approved by staff (within a few hrs on avg) before it goes live.

-If the thread is blatant spam, the user will be warned or suspended, and the thread will never go live.

-If the thread is legit, we will approve it (it'll go live, e-mail notifications sent) and the user will be given normal forum privileges from that pt forward.

-Users that were registered prior to the new system going live will never have to worry about getting a thread approved. They are assumed to be legit since spammers normally hit and run.

-All webmasters are required to have their first thread approved, regardless of when they registered. There's a higher chance webmasters are posting a promotion of some kind, although usually not meaning to abuse the forum.

Let me know what you guys think. Appreciate all the input.

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09-08-09  09:48am - 5584 days #46
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Originally Posted by Advent:


Hi Rick,

This deal that was just sent out came about by me going to the "powers that be" and telling them we needed to do something to help out our friends. This came straight from ATK so there was not an affiliate involved this time.

I know you guys have been good to us and I have emailed Vegas Ken a couple times with questions and he has been very nice and helpful. I have only been with ATK for a couple months but I know about you guys. Let me get with the top guys over here and see what I can work out for you. I don't see it being a problem but let me find out what they want to put together. Hopefully I can be your good luck charm and get this all worked out. Could you tell me who your current contact is here? You can email me. I will let you know as soon as I have something to tell.


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09-07-09  06:10pm - 5585 days #20
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Hi RB,

Good idea you have. The main issue I find is the e-mail notifications that cause clutter, like someone mentioned. We usually pull the spam threads down in time for it to be annoying, but having a safeguard would make things a lot easier.

5 trust votes would definitely guarantee the job gets done, but I'm thinking it's too much. Maybe require newbies (5 pts or less) something a little easier like a completely filled out "profile" and vote to at least 20 polls or something. Getting trust votes can take a lot of time. It's a lot to ask for new users, plus they may not know how to even get trust votes.

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09-07-09  05:51pm - 5585 days #37
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Originally Posted by Advent:


OK, here goes. I hope you don't get me in trouble with admin for this. I would never had posted this had I not been asked so I am hoping I am not breaking any rules by doing this.

I have seen most of you post about a bailout since I have been a member of the site and I went to the head guys a couple weeks ago and got this. Some of you probably received it in your in box over the weekend but those of you who have not here it is.

http://cdn.content.atkingdom.com/ads/ema...bailout/bailout.html

And thanks for welcoming me to the forum. You guys have been great.


Hi Advent,

We've been ok with users posting discounts (that we don't currently offer) that benefit our users, even if it cuts us out. However, usually after the program will work with us to get us a matching discount.

Vegas Ken has tried many times in the past to get a discount that we can pass onto our users here at PornUsers and TBP with our link code (like the one at paysitediscounts), but no dice. Any chance you can help us out? We've been a good affiliate with you guys for a long time now. It's rare that a program will offer a discount through a competitor of ours, and not give us a chance to offer the same.

Hoping you can be our good luck charm! :)

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09-06-09  09:16am - 5586 days #4
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Ability to review/comment on billing companies is a good idea.

This won't be an easy addition, but I will put this on my list of items to highly consider soon. Thanks for the suggestion. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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09-03-09  12:36pm - 5589 days #24
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


Personally I think your site is pretty healthy. You have your regulars, then you have some new members who pop in now and again, then you have some like Ik2 who joined and have kept contributing.

I can only speak for myself but the one reason I have stopped contributing is because of censorship over free material. It's just a personal thing. I haven't made a post for about 3 months now and wasn't really intending on saying anything like goodbye, simply because there may have been something I agreed with or disagreed with so strongly, I may have felt I had to make a comment. Anyway I am here just about every day, reading with interest what people have to say. It's just I have gone back to being an observer rather than a contributor.

The owners have their own quite legitimate reasons for not allowing discussions or posts about free material. They have the right to ask people not to discuss that subject. I have been a member of a few forums and the only ones I have left have been due to censorship, or over management, or over zealous moderation. I feel uneasy about contributing to any site that has censorship. That is just a personal thing. There is no right or wrong about it. The people who run PU have every right to have that policy, and I have every right not to contribute to a site that has that policy.

This place is fun and I wish you all the best. I am always checking in, it is just I will not be contributing. I am just one ex poster. I don't know the reasons some of the others are contributing less. I do know that nearly every forum has a very high percentage of members compared to contributors. Guess that's the way it will always be.

Rarely does a day go by when there isn't something I have wanted to comment on. You guys come up with some great stuff. I have just restrained myself on principal because I have always hated censorship and restrictions on freedom of speech. I guess this is my official last post. Take care everyone.


Saw this post and wanted to clarify our stance before others think that we're out to censor this forum.

1. Spam obviously is our #1 enemy and no question it has no place on this forum. We pull spam the moment we see it (or a user reports it).

2. We don't restrict the talk or linking to free sites, if the intent is not "spam". Simple as that. I know Khan has mentioned to new users that the forum isn't intended for the exchange of free content, which is true.

3. Linking to free content is discouraged but is not forbidden if used in a constructive way. We simply don't intend this forum to be a posting farm of free content. We're not trying to "censor" anything, it's simply not the type of forum this is. There are dozens of other forums for content sharing.

4. Remember the mission of our site "PornUsers.com is dedicated to providing a friendly, unbiased site where those who actually buy memberships to adult pay sites can share their experiences, both good and bad.".

5. Censorship is the last thing we resort to, regardless of how it affects our business. We've let users post links to other discount based sites all over our site! This directly affects our business and my business partners all wish I would restrict these type of links. However, I don't want to stop users from getting the best deal (even if we lose the sale). Those type of actions I feel would hurt our trust and go against our mission.

6. Our intentions are good. We never will close the lid on quality discussions and will stay hands off on the other 95%. If we make a mistake, we will own up to it.

I honestly don't know if others agree with Squirrel's statement on censorship or not. I figured it was best to at least explain for others who aren't sure where we actually stand. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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08-21-09  12:29pm - 5602 days #46
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Just as a curious aside, do the four reviewers work full time for TBP reviewing sites or is this just something they do mostly on a part time (nights, weekends, coffee breaks) basis? I was just wondering since it give us an idea of how much time is actually spent reviewing sites.


To answer this question, they do work full time for TBP, but they spend about 3-5 hours per day on reviews (otherwise serious burnout) and have other small tasks they are responsible for to fill the rest of their work day. The same 4 individuals have been with us since the day we started writings reviews, all the way back to 2003. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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08-21-09  09:36am - 5602 days #44
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		What do you guys think of a grade simply called "Content", which would cover the following:

-Exclusivity (as best we can tell)
-Originality (does it stand out from the rest)
-Entertaining (overall, how interesting it is)

"Entertaining" part of the grade would require the reviewer put themself (as best as they can) in the mind of a user who would normally enjoy that specific content.

Definitely not an easy grade to assign, but something I think the reviewers can give a good shot at. Anything else they should consider for this grade?

Just curious, where would you guys grade the following popular sites for this score?

1. Videobox
2. Naughty America
3. abbywinters
4. BangBus
5. Rachel Aziani

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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Just glancing at the grade criteria it's pretty subjective as I expected. Like I noted before, if this is all the standards include (no hidden cheat sheet) then I think you're going to find lots of A and B level grades being handed out without a lot of rhyme or reason; ultimately diminishing the usefulness of the whole grade system. I think most people just take the total site score into consideration but if the individual grades are to be an added bonus then I guess they need some work.

Applying the rule of unintended consequences (Damn, I've been reading way too many political/econ blogs recently since I've been taking a porn downloading vacation), the effect of loose grade standards could also inflate the overall score of a site by the reviewer depending on how they assemble the final score. If the reviewer applies the principle that an "A" is in the 90 to 100 range, a B in the 80 to 90 range, etc., then if the reviewer tallies up the grades handed out as a means of determining the final site score you've suddenly got a pretty subjective foundation for reaching the all holy final number.

This observation has been debated quite a bit in the "What Should a PU Review Include" thread and several other threads from 2008: should one's general impressions guide the scoring system or should that score be more reflective of the technical aspects and other hard numbers of a site.

I'm not saying that your system is fundamentally flawed, just pointing out that that your grade criteria are pretty squishy as they currently exist. Like they say, somewhere, "Squishy in, squishy out" (please insert any bad porn commentary people feel is appropriate).


Final score will be "general impression" of the site versus technical aspects. Just to clarify once more, the grades have no direct impact on the final score. The reviewer can give a site a 75, even if the grades may average a B+ (or vice versa). It's up to them.

Grades will be "A+ = Best Possible, F = Worst Possible". C will be an average grade. This was redefined yesterday. I think this is the right decision.

Don't put too much judgment in the 2.0 reviews that have recently been released. Grades are too high, Site Details don't include the latest additions (like Pic Dimensions). I think you'll see our best efforts and newer guidelines applied to reviews released next week and beyond. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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I see, thanks for explanation. Now I'd like to make two suggestions (essentially quite minor):
a) to explain this policy (replacing link from "Grade criteria", which currently leads to "Scoring criteria", which are completely obsolete by now if I understand what you've said correctly)
b) to add a few more "grades" so "grades" won't be only about technicalities, but also reflect how good the content itself is. Would it be too much to ask for 2 new grades (which BTW were present in original review criteria): "Entertain" and "Originality" (which should include "Exclusivity")? Site with the very best "D/L Speed, Downloads, Streaming, ..., Vid Quality" won't be worth a dime (at least for me) if it's utterly boring; also for at least some of us "Originality" is a key factor in decision too. Also (though it's not about content), "Updates" could also deserve their own grade.


I'll have the grade criteria up today. In a previous post, I mentioned I was linking to the previous scoring criteria for now. I should have had that up from the beginning, but it slipped through.

"Entertain" is so tough to put a grade on, it comes down to personal preference. It also usually requires hours and hours of watching video, which the editors just don't have time for. Fact is a lot of these sites that the reviewers are judging aren't even to their personal taste.

"Originality" means so many things. Does it mean innovative site features? Which I reserve for "Interface". Does it mean original models? Does it mean exclusive content? I guess the latter could apply, but again really tough to judge. Even when the site screams they have exclusive content, a lot of times later we learn that it's not. Exclusive is usually a yes or no answer also. So with all that in mind, we moved that to the "Site Details" section, under "Exclusive".

"Updates" also we just decided to keep with the site facts and site details sections. This is one that could be added to the grades still, but I tried to keep the grades limited to what we felt the most important functions/features were.

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There is still one thing that they have not listed yet, the size of the site. Which means my little trademark has not been stolen! I guess when they reviews go to a site they still are not downloading the whole damn thing.

I still think numbers are important though. After all, those guys can not and will not review every single site out there. There will be sites listed with no information at all. Also they are speaking of updating the top sites at least once a year which still leaves a lot of time in there for things to change. Updates from us will still be useful. We can not possibly expect TBP to keep all the site facts perfectly up to date except perhaps for the very top sites because they are probably downloading them for their own collections.

Which leads me to a question. Does the staff here read our reviews on PU when considering joining a site for personal business?


Gotcha, so you talking about like the total amount of GB of video for the entire site?

That's probably where it goes beyond our capability and where the user reviews really play a big role. The editors at TBP don't get to experience the site the same way as you guys (this goes for any review site like TBP):

-They will only have time to download/view a sample of the content, versus download all the content.

-They don't technically purchase (or cancel) a membership, so they don't have the capability to judge the actual billing process.

-They don't experience the site over a full month period (or longer) which sometimes leads to other subtle goods and bads about each site.

We'll be the first to admit that it's a weakness of TBP reviews and most professional review sites in any industry. With 1000's of sites (or products), you only have a limited time to judge. Only the real consumers can tell the full story and it's why we built PornUsers. To me, the user reviews a lot of times outshine our own because of this. With that said, I think our new reviews are now the best in the biz (minus the content previews) and a huge improvement over the former. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Originally Posted by asmith12:


Unfortunately, currently (for the v2.0 reviews) it became completely unclear how the site rating is calculated. If it's just some function of Grades (D/L Speed, Downloads, Streaming, Interface, Vid Count, Vid Quality), it would be a REAL pity (it would be like game review site throwing away "playability", leaving only very formal criteria like resolution, supported OS etc.).


The final score is pretty much fully up to the editor's discretion (much like the reviews here at PU). The editor takes everything into consideration, but has full control over the final score. This is completely by design.

The problem with the sub-scores was that it somewhat crippled the editor's ability to improvise. As we know, it's the overall package that counts. Our old sub-scores were like training wheels. A good guide to prevent a fall, but prevents the freedom to fully ride as intended. The editors are big boys and girls now. :) The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		The grade results are very amateurish so far. I don't blame the editors, I blame myself though. The instructions I gave them was that a C was a pretty bad score, and a D or F is REALLY bad. Similar to our previous subscores, where a 2.5 of 5 was a bad score.

I've amended this today, and basically we'll be grading on a curve from now on (or at least closest we can) where C is an average score. This will only apply for reviews completely today and beyond... so the next few days of reviews will not be up to date.

BTW, I'm also going to be releasing the grade criteria by tomorrow (the link right now goes to the old sub-score criteria). It will explain in some detail how we judge the grades. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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I feel the TBP pages are too narrow: 850px wide is a bit too little nowadays. The multi-column layout of the new review 2.0 section would benefit from wider pages: easier to catch all the pros without the need to keep scrolling up and down.


I agree for more advanced users this is true, but I feel it would affect most averages users in a negative way still. In the future I might work on this design to make it more compatible with dynamic widths (like done at PU) however. Good suggestion either way.

Originally Posted by atrapat:


Another thing that already happened before: when a site gives access to other sites from the same company, the list opens in a new window and all menus disappear. You have to close the window to get back to the review instead of the back button.


Yeah this is another personal preference, but if I were going to redesign the site today, I would do exactly what u suggest. I'll keep this in mind for future updates.

Originally Posted by atrapat:


This is probably just me but, when linking to the TBP review page from PU (link at the top right of any site page), maybe it should scroll you directly to the review and not the site facts. There's already a different link for the site facts.


This is a great and easy suggestion. I think most will agree with this. I'll add that to my list and have that changed soon.

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All reviews assigned as of yesterday will include Pic Dimension info. You'll start seeing this info within about 5 days in the reviews.

Also, I agree on what u said about those pic quality grades. They are way too high for those sites. I had a talk with Duke and Maggie about their grades. They're still fairly new and I gave them full control over them, but I will guide them more so they can get a clearer understanding.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Agreed, I'll mention this to the reviewers. Definitely simple to at least mention it somewhere in the reviews. In fact, I'm going to add a dedicated Image section to the new "Site Details" of the review so it's forced into the review.

Been a busy day, been meaning to add a site announcement on PU and TBP. This past week has been non-stop! Tons of training, plus unlimited supply of small bugs (most of which don't exist on the user side thankfully).

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Thanks for the great feedback so far!

To answer Wittyguy about image specs, I do agree that max dimensions is something that should be included somewhere. This is planned for my next update of the site facts, which is why it's not included in the review specifically (unless the editor mentions it).

However, there are some related items that will help guide image lovers:

New Grade: Pic Quality
Under the new grades, you'll find this item. This is an A-F grade only judging the quality/size of the images.

Site Details: Avg. File Size (HQ)
This will cover jpgs and zips (plus vid files). This gives the average file size of the high quality image content. It's a decent indicator of the overall quality.

With that said, you probably already noticed those sections. I do agree that we need more image specs still and we will have that at some point soon (no date promises! lol).

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A new era starts today at TheBestPorn.com!

Took long enough, but they're here:
https://www.thebestporn.com/home.html

We will be mixing old format reviews in with about a week. After that, we'll be launching about 6 new review 2.0's per day. These are full very detailed reviews.

-No more wimpy express reviews, no more attached follow-ups.

-Top sites (85 and above) will be re-reviewed at least once per year.

-New reviews will be done by a new editor, with a completely fresh review.

-When you're browsing the site, the 2.0 reviews are colored in blue.

Look forward to everyone's feedback. It'll obviously take some time for the new reviews to make the big impact, but the process is in motion!! The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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It's still a work in progress, but you'll start to see some very subtle changes at TheBestPorn.com.

The review pages now have a more attractive design and some new features.

Example:
https://www.thebestporn.com/review/videobox/

-You'll see a new "Error Report" feature in the site facts.
-You'll see a new "Nomination" feature in the review section.

The "NEW Reviews" (2.0) will debut early next week. I'll let you know when those go live!

If you see any strange bugs, please report them. It's all very fresh still, so there might be some issues. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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We've been working overtime for the past week (myself and the programmer). Everything is looking good, we've been testing all week on our virtual test environment and fixing things like mad.

What you'll see tomorrow won't be a dramatic difference. You'll see some design improvements on the TBP review pages and that's about it until the new reviews go live. We can't technically write the new reviews until the system goes in place, so new reviews (using the new format) will go live about 7-10 days after tomorrow. However, I'm really excited about the new reviews and I think everyone will love the format.

I mentioned some of updates in an earlier post (in this thread), but here are some additional details you'll get from the new reviews:

-Download Speed Test (MB/Sec)
-Download Manager Test
-Avg. File Sizes (for high quality content)
-Streaming Player Details
-Log-In Info
-Plus much more!

You won't have to wait much longer and after this update, you'll see future updates roll out much faster. Most of this update was internal preparation for the future. Thanks for everyone's patience, I know some of you have been tracking this ever since I opened my big mouth. :) The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		I don't disagree with you guys on this, but we have to be extremely careful on how we handle each situation. We don't have a legal team like most of these large programs (especially the aggressive billing ones), so we try to play it as safe as possible.

The industry looks at our sites as a respectable credibility reference for programs and companies in the biz. If we make serious allegations like "illicit billing practices" even if they were just reported to us, these companies will come after us, almost guaranteed. We would of course have to be prepared to defend ourself and prove such allegations. All this is very new, so we're taking it step by step until we're better prepared.

So for now, we're open to shutting the doors to companies we feel are engaging in illegal or grossly unethical business practices with the message "We have reserved our right not to do business with this company at this time.". We still allow users to write reviews and comments on the site, but simply don't link or review them ourselves. You'd think this was a good safe way to approach the situation, but even this has caused us a lot of grief and legal threats.

The users speak the most volume and have the most voice. Whether visitors are reading TBP or PU, all incoming traffic and clearly read warnings or experiences posted by users. If we get too involved, then it really becomes war, a whole different game that we weren't prepared for when we started PornUsers. A war that we might be willing to fight harder at some point, but it's just not as easy as it looks. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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07-17-09  04:58pm - 5637 days #8
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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		A few updates:

1. I signed up myself to see exactly what they were doing. In the members area, there's a button called "DVDS" which opens an offer page, looking similar to a one page graphical ad.

2. I pulled a screen capture to illustrate what you see when clicking that link. Click here to view the offer page.

3. Clicking either "Click Here to get Full DVD Access" or "Click Here to Get Your Full DVD Access To Over 4,200 DVDS" will instantly sign you up to an additional site without any further verification (usually you'd see a billing page or submit button of some kind, on other sites). That then leads you to a confirmation page with your subscription id, etc.

Based on my experiences with this web-site, I added a clear warning on the site facts of Mega Site Pass regarding this. It should help others be aware. I did think OneMan's description was a little vague, so I wanted to give you my point of view. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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I looked into this and wrote you an e-mail, please check your inbox.

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Location: Las Vegas, NV 		Yep, coming real soon Gcode!! Sorry it's taking so long for those who've been waiting.

I should be able to preview some stuff for you guys within a week. Look for the update to take place around the end of this month. Not much will change with Porn Users, but we'll look to implement some upgrades here within a few months.

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We're honored to have you here. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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Everything sounds good. My only concern (and it's not a huge one) is the decision to go to one reviewer per review. TBP is/was unique in that it had 4 reviewers per site. I realize that you can cover a lot more turf by having everyone assigned separate reviews. However, it's not uncommon for the reviewers to be off by as many as 5 or 6 points from each other. A site that might now have a group score of 80 might end up with a 75 instead. On the other hand, wiht updated stats that might help mitigate any individual bias and with 5 reviews a day, that definitely beats one official review per day with an express or two tossed in.

Just curious if you could post a sample or link to a page of a "new" review so we can see what it looks like. It doesn't have to be an actual review, it could just be a made up site with fictional specs.


Yeah, 4 reviewers per site was our signature in the beginning. This was when our goal at the time was only covering the "top 100" or so porn sites rather than the 1000's of today. Now unfortunately this format is our downfall and the cause to the major issues we face.

I'll also miss having the "average" score from 4 sets of eyes, but updated reviews (among other benefits) is what makes a solid review site. Our reviewers have 5 years experience under their belt and with the ability now to spend more time per review, the reviews will be better overall.

As we get closer, I'll post a sample template of the page and get your opinions. Since our competition might be watching, it's best to keep it under wraps until it's safe. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn
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