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02-05-12  09:58am - 4704 days #7
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Yes, it is nice to know the bank has security in place. They would be insane not to, with all the fraud that takes place these days. They are the ones that end up eating the charge and it gets charged back to the vendor where the charge originated. The vendor is always responsibile for verifying that the individual making the charge is the actual card holder. This can't always be possible on the net and there will be fraud. But they end up eating the chargebacks, regardless. If it happens too much, the bank or cc company just shuts them out from CC billing altogether as they figure they are a liability.

I have a mobile banking account set up as well so I always know what happens on any account I hold with my bank. Most people should sign up for this, especially if you make a lot of cc purchases online. I get instant notices of any and all deposits, debits, or cc purchased delivered wirelessly. It works efficiently, too. If I am filling up my car and swipe my debit card, by the time I am pulling out of the lot, my Iphone rings with the IM message about the transaction. If someone made a fraud charge on my account, I would know about it immediately.

02-04-12  05:01pm - 4705 days #10
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IMO, this is something that the industry needs to pay more attention to. A lot of people are afraid to sign up for subscriptions, out of fear of such things or the privacy concerns. My last post about the call from the bank goes to privacy concerns. I am not married. But if I was, that call could have caused serious repurcussions.

Whether adult online busineses really have a higher incidence of fraud compared to other online vendors, as seems to be a common sentiment on the net, it doesn't matter. Perception matters.

This is a touchy subject, but it is something that has some truth to it, IMO. But it just doesn't apply to adult business. I don't blame it on the legit vendors. But they can't control everything and might not do all due diligence in checking backgrounds of employees who might have access to info. My opinion is that fraud--whether in adult or other business--doesnt come from hacking, but rather they are inside jobs where someone rips account info. Do online vendors hire more shady characters without checking backgrounds to manage accounts comapred to other online business? I don't know. I suspect the answer is probably yes, in this industry, for some players. I know that might rub some folks the wrong way but thats just my two cents.

I have to admit that the only time I ever had credit card fraud took place immediately following a transaction with an with an adult business. This wasn't online, however. Back in 2005, I went into a local adult bookstore to get a copy of a couple magazines I usually picked up every month or so--Voluptuous and Score. I forgot I did not have cash and have never used my card in this store. I paid for it anyways with my debit card. The next day, when I went to fill up on gas on my way to work, my debit card was declined. Made it to work on fumes, thinking I would get some cash from the ATM after I figured out what happened.

Lo and behold, when I called the bank, there was a freeze on my account. Someone tried to go online at TJ Max, Puma, and a host of other reatilers. They froze the transactions. Since I had not used the card in five days and this happened within 12 hours of my transaction at the bookstore, I can only conclude that it is highly probable that either the cashier or someone else in the store ripped my account info. They even had my 3 digit code on the back so I suspect it was the clerk who wrote the numebr down after taking a quick glance at the sig on the back of the card.

I was pissed and went back into the store the next day. I told the manager, who I asked to see, what happened and since I had not used the card in days and this happened immedaitely after, I smelled something funny. I wasnt in their face about it and I cannot technically prove it, of course. But any rational thinking person would arrive at this probable conclusion.

Not much she could do. She promised to 'look into it.' I never went back into the store again and did inform the bank of this and they said they would investigate.

Had to get a new card and it took a few days. I was not charged and the bank ate the fraud transactions.

I just think this happens when business hires shady employees. If you have seen some of the counter help in adult booksores, you might understand what I mean by this. And thats all I will say about that. Edited on Feb 04, 2012, 05:11pm

02-04-12  04:30pm - 4705 days #5
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Yeah. I am surprised it was listed as 'BangBros help' All the other sites I subscribe to are more discreet with the billing name.

It could be worse, though. If you were into fetish sites, you might get a call from the bank:

"Sir, we are just calling to verify that it was indeed you who charged $24.99 to Fisting.com."

"Yes man, that was me. it's a legit charge."


02-04-12  12:55pm - 4705 days Original Post - #1
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Had a phone message today from my bank card security asking me to call. Wanted to verify my online transactions.

I usually dont have a lot of online transactions but recently signed up for WeArehairy right when my bangrbos auto-renewed. Must have tripped a flag as I usuaully dont buy lots of stuff online.

I do appreciate this as it shows my bank takes my security seriously. I just was wondering if anoyne else ever had this happen? With all the fraud out there today, it is something the banks are paranoid about as they eat charges for fraud.

I think the operator new it was pretty obvious what the charges were for. It was kind of funny when she read the items for me to verify -- " We have a charge of $24.99 from BangBros help LTD"

02-03-12  12:15pm - 4706 days #4
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No plans. As far as the game, The Super Bowl is usually a super bore as the teams are often mismatched and the halftime shows are just plain cheesy. I have no preference in this game. I have a suspicion the Giants are going to lose big, however. Pats are still smarting from that last defeat and want to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. I can't stand Belechick, though.

02-01-12  03:37pm - 4708 days #8
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I'm a total failure, no one ever squealed like that for me!


Yeah. Me neither..lol. I don't claim to be a stud who has slept with every woman on the block. Outside of my ex, I haven't really been with a whole lot of women. But I don't recall ever cases of extremely high-pitched squeals and screams....OH GOD OH GOD !! Then again, maybe I was just really bad..lol.

Seriously, though, I doubt female performers ever truly orgasm on the set. Not saying it doesn't happen but it would be the exception, not the rule. It takes forever for the guys to go off in the films. I doubt the female performers really get close. They are likely more thinking about directions and performance, etc. I know a lot of producers or models claim they do orgasm but IMO this is just of a sales pitch and marketing effort and really isn't reality.

As far as fake cum, it doesn't really matter to me much as I don't watch a lot of hardcore and the pop shots are usually formulatic and mechanical. There are only so many ways you can show a gouy popping on a woman's face before it loses its novelty and appeal. It's usually never anywhere but the face.

02-01-12  12:46pm - 4708 days #4
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Very true. It's not so much the acting but the level of Vocalization, however. I turn the volume to mute so the neighbors won't think my cat got trapped in the drier and perhaps call the fire department.

02-01-12  06:18am - 4708 days #2
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Not as bad or distracting as the fake female orgasms IMO. I am not real into hardcore videos but when I do watch, nothing ruins the atmosphere and effect more than the overdone and poorly acted attempts to convince the viewer that the squealing and grunts represent a female orgasm and not the cries of a wounded chicken in distress.

01-31-12  11:08am - 4709 days #40
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Is he F'n with us? No. He is doing his job and wants to get elected. He's a politician and they are very good at telling the electorate what they want to hear. It's a universal job qualification on both sides of the isle.

As far as Utah being the #1 spot for online porn consumption, it is not surprising. The more you tell someone that masturbation and lust are depraved and sinful, the more they will obsess over it and the more enticing it becomes. Telling people that porn is the devils playground turns it into the forbidden fruit and just adds to the appeal. It is no surprise then that the ones chaffing their Willy raw are from more conservative areas of the nation.

I don't judge anyone on this. If someone objects to porn on moral grounds, that's thier right and I wouldn't argue with their personal convictions as long as they aren't forced on me. I wouldn't shove in their face or flaunt it, simply out of respect. However, by constantly giving it mention they are just drawing attention to something everyone already knows exists but shouldn't be thinking about. If you keep preaching, "don't think about sex", you just got everyone thinking about it and the more enticed people are by the taboo.

01-27-12  05:47pm - 4713 days #26
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Interesrting points. I also wanted to add I don't mean to be preachy about it or come across this way. I also don't claim to be a sage seeing into the future. I just think the industry will eventually dwindle if the priacy keeps up. There will be nowhere near the volume and quality of content we see now.

Another point to be made regarding the prevalence of piracy on the internet is related to public perception of the business itself. The bottom line here is this--the word 'pornographer' is a word that will conjure up less than positive thoughts in the minds of many people in society. Pornography and those who produce it are not part of a business that some folks see as meeting their own ethical standards. The result is that, in their mind, since they do not see the business itself as ethical, it is much easier to absolve oneself from ethical accountability when they illegaly obtain material without paying. In other words, one feels free to issue yourself a 'Moral' get out of jail free card when it comes to pirating adult materials.

If Hollywood movies were produced by a business called 'Mother Theresa's Orphanage Fund' and distributed with the intent of funding food and supplies from the sales, people would feel much more cuplable when taking something without paying. There would be a greater degree of guilt in ripping the material off the net for their own personal viewing pleasure, all the while not paying for it. This perception issue is part of the problem, IMO. It's easy to absolve oneself from theft when it involves the 'greedy corporate hollywood producers and musicians', or those who produce pornography. Theft is theft, however one absolves the conscience.

Before anyone jumps on me, I am not claiming those who produce pornography are unethical. It's just that many people in society do hold this view and that is their right. That's not to say there are no bad players. My opinion is some do fit this defintion(Max Hardcore, for instance), but they are the exception. Many are simply fulfilling a demand for a product. They are playing by the rules and not forcing anyone to perform for our entertainment and they are not abusing people.

01-27-12  09:55am - 4713 days #21
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


Can I third it? (If that is the phrase?) I reckon you have it spot on, BubbaGump.

I guess it comes down to you get what you pay for in the long run. If no-one pays for it then no-one will make it.


I think it also is a generational thing. The young twenty-something's have been spoiled with free stuff and complain about paying $20 a month. The response from free users is it is too expensive. $39 for one single DVD could be called expensive. So would a $16 magazine. I could understand the complaints here, especially when you are young and disposable income is low. It is difficult to justify complaints over $25 for an all-you-can eat buffet, however, when one DVD goes for $39. I just don't get this part about online porn being too expensive and that's why some state they won't pay.

Back in the day, if you wanted to view porn, you could go to some sleezy, smelly Bookstore and insert quarters into a video machine. Or you could buy a movie from the store for rediculous prices. Both could make you feel like a sleezebag and a perv and you hoped nobody you knew saw you coming out of the shop with a movie or magazine wrapped in a brown paper bag. Today you can view movies in the privacy of your home for a modest price with just a click. This beats the old route any day and it's cheap as hell in comparison.

Also, half the time you purchased a movie or magazine, the movie was not what you thought. Those pretty girls on the cover were nowhere to be found inside. You couldn't preview anything and decide what to keep. If you purchased it and it sucked, you were SOL. Online, you have the ability to pick and choose and you get it all for one price. As I said before, anyone today complaining about the cost of porn hasn't lived through the 80's. Edited on Jan 27, 2012, 10:17am

01-27-12  09:40am - 4713 days #20
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I don't think all these went under because of online piracy. Evasive angles is still going. I did notice, however that a lot of their new stuff are combo DVD packs of older materials. I think a lot of them simply tried to go online too late. Kind of like Kodak going under because they never thought digital would go mainstream and when they did realize digital was hot and sales were picking up, it was too little, too late.

More and more people will be going online to obtain their erotic art of choice. The question is, will there be many studios still standing five years from now to deliver it? Most people who go for the free stuff don't ever think of this aspect. You can only push the studios so far before they say Screw this, I'm out.

As long as people are out there who will be willing to pay for porn, someone will make it. But as the numbers willing to pay dwindle, so will the options and content volume. You are left with a few fly-by-night producers whose primary income does not come from this industry but do it as simply extra income or as a hobby/interest. The result is the quality likely suffers and updates are slow to come. Daily updates? More like monthly or bi-annually, when the producer has the time and resources.

iMO, Piracy won't ever destroy availability of porn. It will just relegate it back to 1960 production levels and probably the same quality.

01-27-12  06:21am - 4713 days #15
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Its all supply and demand. As long as there is a demand for porn and erotica and people are willing to pay for it, there will be producers of the goods and services in the adult industry. If consumers are not willing to pay for it, production will decrease.

The problem with piracy, in any industry, is that it is the equivelant of introducing counterfeit currency into an economy. The dollar loses its value. The bottom line is nobody is going to work for free in a for-profit industry. I wouldn't, you wouldn't. The end result is that the producers will need to cut back on production and some will simply leave the business for something more profitable.

You cant just say, I want you to continue to produce these goods and services for my personal viewing pleasure but I won't pay for these goods. Everyone will eventually end up wanking to the same old tired videos once new production slows to a crawl and businesses close up shop. Producers will not lower the price to try to get people to go back to paying.

As far as the price, porn is not as expensive as it once was. A decade ago, one video would cost $39.99 in an adult video store. That's one video! Today, you can pay $20 for a single month and download to your heart's content. It's like buying wholesale from Sam's Club. You can buy a whole crate of frozen dinners for $20 instead of buying the single helping for $4.99 from Food King. Porn is not expensive today. Anyone who thinks it is, hasn't lived through the 80's.

The bottom line is, if we don't continue to pay, those of us who enjoy the beauty of erotica will see it dwindle.

01-25-12  11:38am - 4715 days #7
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congratulations.

01-25-12  10:52am - 4715 days #27
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15TB? That's some massive stash.

Clouds have popped up as a convenience for mobile users with tablets, ereaders, players, etc, where one has multiple devices or collections exceed storage capacity. They are a different animal from sharing sites or mass storage servers. They were never envisioned with this kind of storage requirement. The emphasis is on mobility, not maximizing storage space.

It would be infinitely cheaper to buy hard drives than pay $5 a month for each additional block of storage above the free storage allotment-well under 1 TB.

01-24-12  07:45pm - 4715 days #9
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I think the free stuff could definitely be a lead-in to a pay site. The issue is that pirated stuff will probably have watermarks stripped so the viewer really wouldn't know where to go to view the content they just viewed if they wanted to. They will likely hang around looking for more of the same.

I aggre , however, that it's not all black and white in terms of customer behavior of those who do go after the freebies. It could lead to sales in the long run as well as take away from sales. It's anybody's guess what the numbers are.

The studios probably wouldn't object if they did conclude it leads to increased sales. I would wager that the net loss would not be compensated for by the increase, however. More people likely continue to view free pirated stuff than those who are driven to pay by viewing it.

In the past decade, consumption of online porn has increased dramatically, based on polling data, but studios have reported declining sales over the years. Obviously, these two facts are in conflict with any conclusion that states free material available to the consumer results in a net positive sales increase or growth for the producer of the material. The supporting argument would need to be pretty convoluted and Occam's Razor comes into play.

The same thing occurred with napster back in the 90's. The recording industry saw sales and revenue decline rapidly. After the court order against napster was enforced, sales picked up again. The same would likely occur with the adult industry if many free sites suddenly disappeared. sure, some people will stop watching altogether and some will subscribe to pay sites. Porn is in high demand and is consumed at a high rate by the public. People would pay to see it just like many started to pay for CD's and downloads again after Napster was revamped to a pay site. People want their music and want their porn. If you build it, they will come-or is that cum? Edited on Jan 24, 2012, 08:03pm

01-24-12  03:53pm - 4716 days #13
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Wow. Talk about beginner's luck. I was surprised I won a prize this week.

Thanks to the forum owners for the gift certificate to Amazon. There's a few audiobooks I had my eye on.


01-23-12  07:31pm - 4717 days #12
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Not to minimize the inconvenience to mega users but a lot worse things can happen to you if a company you do business with is up to something illegal or shady. I lost 10k in Enron stock and about 40 percent of my 401 k during the economic meltdown precipitated by shady lending practices of the subprime mortgage industry. That is SOL. This is just an annoyance for users.

01-23-12  06:16pm - 4717 days #4
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Most any file sharing site has now got to be very nervous and will no doubt be consulting with their attorneys to make sure everything they are doing is within the rule of the law.

Of course there are legit file sharing portals and sites. As far as megaupload, however, I am just surporised they lasted as long as they did. It was THE portal for pirated movies, software, photos, etc.

We will see a lot of shops going the way of filesonic and suddenly close up shop or remove links, destroy servers, etc...The ones that will be left are the ones who have nothing to hide. If you aren't doing anything illegal and are playing by the rules, there isn't a whole lot to be worried about.

01-22-12  10:48am - 4718 days #20
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Security is my number-one concern when I choose a provider or web host. You never know the level of attention that a site places on their internal security or how up-to-date their virus defintions are. Sony is a prime example of this.

I always pay close attention to security on my own PC--I never use password auto-fills or PW form-fills. This is easy target for hackers, as they spend a lot of time researching the script that runs this type of utility. It's best to never auto-store passwords.

I also have one dedicated credit card I use for online purchases. I opened it specifically with the intent of using it online. You want to keep the credit limit low on this type of card--no more than you think you would need for subscriptions or casual purchases online.

It's also in everyone's best interest to sign up for those Electronic Banking features that synch with your smart phone. Most banks offer this feature now and it's usually free. Whenever a transaction is made on any account you own, you get a real-time instant alert with a message in your drop-down box with all the details.

01-21-12  10:43am - 4719 days #4
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Well, I don't have this site but I think the word 'exclusive' can mean a number of things.

Exclusive could mean:

--We shot it and did not purchase it or import it from somewhere else.

--You will only find it here and not on other sites or our other sub-sites.

-- The models themselves are exclusive to this site and will not appear at any other studios.

The word exclusive appears so often and can mean so many things that I honestly do not know what it refers to specifically or what someone was thinking in terms of defintion when the offered the word.

If a site was advertised as having exclusive content and the majority of the material appeared to be something I already saw at another site or exists at another site, I would be a little peeved and would feel I was intentionally misled. If I came across a few photos or videos I had seen elesewhere and this was the exception, not the rule, I would just pass it off as something relatively minor. I am not sure how a site gathers their updates and content and it may be an honest gaffe. They deal in high volume and I don't expect perfection.

As far as official reviewers at a site like this, I assume it's really hard to make decisions on what is exclusive and what is not and always be 100% accurate because you can't view every site and compare and contrast all their content. There are hundreds of sites to review and you can't audit every one in that kind of detail. You can only go by memory or hunches. In fairness, I wouldn't expect it to always be on the mark simply because there are too many sites out there.

I am always willing to give the benefit of the doubt unless I have reason to believe otherwise. I would only feel intentionally miseld by a provider site or a reviewer if something stated as a fact was blatantly false and there was evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the miscue was not due to the kind of ignorance of the kind I mentioned above.

01-21-12  08:57am - 4719 days #27
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Well, I may be approaching fifty but I was a young, somehwat rebelious youth once and can understand how the young adult crowd can get caught up in the appeal of the tattoo and peircing craze. I think the one thing that differentiates this trend from those of my youth is the permanency of the medium. Its not like a hairstyle or trendy fashion item you can just discard when and if it goes out of style with the masses. Its with you for life, unless you want to pay the laser surgeon hundreds of dollars an hour for removal. The impulsive nature of youth can definately be a drawback when it comes to this. You tend not to think ahead ten-twenty years.

To each his own. For me, I am not really anti-tattoo. Some tattoos I have seen do look nice. They have just become too common and have lost their aura. Also, within the context of sexual attraction, I just find it unappealing and a turnoff.

01-20-12  03:07pm - 4720 days #22
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I suppose you're right. I never really followed her but knew he she was. You have to keep up the interest somehow and its easy for customers to lose interest in this business. Not too many models last long in this business. They come and go quickly.

It's an unforgiving business for sure. I wouldn't want to be a performer OR a business owner. The hard-and-fast rule of the business I think is that you will never please everyone. Also, going through all the trouble and effort and all the piracy going on, I would not want to be in the business for that reason too.

I have seen models I really liked and stuck with them and then they changed and I lost interest. One was a performer named Donita Dunes. You probably never heard of her but back in the 90's she was my favorite model. Then she either got into drugs or felt she needed to lose weight and then she started looking really bad--not just a weight loss thing but she looked bad all over. It was probably drugs, I suspect.

I do lose interest though when a model gets tattoos on the arms and legs and such.

01-20-12  12:37pm - 4720 days #20
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Ii think the reason why the women start doing the makeovers and tats is because this is a very hard business to keep up with. People get tired of new models after a while and they need to do something to get an edge or keep in the game when their stock falls.

I wouldn't want to be in the business as it is pretty hard to make a name for yourself and keep it up and on top of the game. This might mean new boobs, a new figure, new lips, tats, piercings-- anything to get the attention and rekindle interest. You might need to branch out and appeal to a new audience when the old fans leave. I think that's what the case is with teagan. She is just branching out to appeal to a new genre or interest. Expanding horizons. This is a business after all.

In a way, I feel bad for the ladies as it must be brutal to keep up and keep sexy and appealing. Your stock in the business depends on looks and physical appearance. Just like mainstream modeling. This is the business they have chosen though and that's the nature of the business. It's all about appearances.

I think the tattoos will get the interest of the younger audience, especially when the models age a bit and the older fans bail.

01-20-12  06:52am - 4720 days #2
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Hi. Welcome.

I am not sure about the movie. Did you google it?

01-19-12  05:06pm - 4721 days #10
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I think unique tattoos can be ok. I just don't like tattoos when viewing porn or erotica. Too distracting.

Everyone seems to get the same designs today. At the gym I go to, all the guys seem to have barbed wire arm-braids or Aztec lithos. Women have those ankle butterfly tattoos or a flower. Some have this really crazy stuff along their back or leg. I just think people might regret going overboard with it when they are older. It will look cool now but when you turn 40-50 and things start to sag, you are going to look ridiculous with that huge tattoo on your thigh or belly. The dermatologist is waiting for you and has the laser all fired up and ready to go.

01-19-12  12:08pm - 4721 days #18
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Not dumb. Smart consumer question.

Cloud service requires a connection to the net obviously so any data transfer will be charged. Most folks with an iPhone or tablet have unlimited or high net plans so it really isn't a big concern. It's not like you download your content everyday so its not a major issue. I usually just pull down audiobooks or movies when on the road.

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Have the network linked into entertainment center. Samsung Plasma TV and Pioneer Receiver with surround system/ Polk floor speakers and 16 inch subwoofer. Use the PS3 as DVD/Blue_ray player and for Netflix. Can pretty much stream movies/videos/music from PC over network to TV, Audio Receiver, Macbook Air or Ipad. Playing COD shakes the walls.

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I think the majority of those who surf for the free, pirated stuff probably fall into three classes:

-- 19-20 year olds, Young adults(or beyond) who don't have much income and/or established credit and have no credit cards.

-- Married individuals who would, but are afraid, to subscribe to a porn website and use their credit card or checking accounts for billing, as they don't want the spouse finding it out.

-- Those who can afford it and do not fall into the second category above, but are just too cheap to pay for it.

Outside of going after the pirates, I don't think there is much the industry can do to deter the first class. This is the most difficult case, as young folks generally don't think of piracy as theft(when you are young you feel entitled to everything) and they often just don't have much in the way of disposable income. I would think that this class is the perfect storm for consumption of pirated media--regardless of media type or genre.

The Second class would benefit from more clandestine payment options, although I can't readily think of any off the top of my head.

The third class can possibly be shamed and this is probably the group you are most likely to have success with when appealing to conscience.

Regardless, as long as the internet exists, there will always be piracy. I don't think there are any easy solutions. Government regulations probably will have little impact, outside of shutting down the entire internet or going to extreme lengths of censorship like China--then again, piracy is rampant in China and I suspect a lot of the piracy occurs there.

One tactic that has an outside chance of diminsihing piracy is the fear of viral infections--everyone is afraid of getting them and a lot of people associate downloading porn as something that puts yourself at a greatly increased risk of obtaining a virus. If the legit sites can prey on this fear, it might put a bit of a dent into it. To strike the point home with those who consume pirated material, if they know who has been pirating their site and offering it up for consumption, they could always find a way for them to get hold of some images that have an embedded..oops, I didn't say that--Just Kidding Edited on Jan 18, 2012, 07:45pm

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Free Storage is usually used as an incentive to join or purchase some other product.

The cloud networks popping up now do serve a useful purpose, but not so much for just raw storage. For example, I use Apple Cloud to backup and synch content on my ipad, ipod, and iphone. As storage is limited on the iphone, you can just connect to the cloud and retrieve what you wish for the day or week. I have over 40 GIG of music and audio books I have purchased. I can store it all on my ipod classic but this would never fit on the other devices. This is where the cloud comes in handy. Amazon also offers a similar network where you can download your purchased content to the kindle fire.

As far as storing porn images or videos, I wouldn't do it. I think it's in the aggreement terms you click on that you can't upload any copyrighted content or transfer it to a thrid party. The site owners probably wouldn't be too thrilled with the idea and the services like Apple and Amazon don't want to get into any potential legal troubles. With the prevalence of porn, they are probably looking out for this content being stored on their servers. I suspect this would get deleted pretty quick and you might get thrown off the service.

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This would be an interesting poll, IMO.

When viewing porn, do you enjoy seeing models with tattoos and body piercings?

Personally, I think a tattoo can be sexy on the right body and in the right place. I get turned off by piercings, however. I cannot stand them when they are in the nipple or vaginal area. It ruins the scenery.

I think tattoos are generally overdone today. When I was young, only bikers, sailors, and the real bad-asses had tattoos. A tattoo meant rebel. It meant something and was unique.

Today, tattoos are no longer about individuality and seem to scream conformity to the generational herd. In most cases, the tattoo has become a trendy fashion accessory, not a unique statement or right of passage for the rebels.

I have nothing at all against tattoos. However, sometimes I think that If I see yet another arm or thigh filled from top to bottom with with random, apparently nonsensical images, I will go running and screaming into the night.

01-18-12  09:52am - 4722 days #11
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True. You never know how secure the servers would be on such a site. The site originally referenced by the op does not strike me as overly professional. Would I be comfortable giving my cc number and data to a site that looked like it was thrown together in five minutes using an html editor published in 1995? Basically, no.

01-18-12  09:46am - 4722 days #80
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Sorry about that.

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Las Vegas would make sense. The legal challenge has to do with prostitution laws. Will the prosecutors go after you for engaging in sex for hire? By definition of the law in most counties and states, prostitution is defined as the exchange of currency or its equivelant for sexual services. It doesn't matter if the service occurs as the result of a production. You are still paying someone to engage in sex.

The issue already came up in California courts and it was ruled that compensating an actor for engaging in sexual acts in the course of producing a film does not constitute prostitution. Other states do not have the same view and you would be prosecuted. Not sure about Nevada or its counties. Given that counties in Nevada already have legal prostitution, it would seem the courts would be inclined to side with industry and rule in their favor.

Vegas would be a good fit if you could be assured immunity. It would benefit Vegas as well. It's already known as sin city. It would add to the allure.

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I am surprised more people don't sign up for the prizes. I don't think I have ever been to any site anywhere that gave away raffle tickets for participating.

I thought I might get beginner's luck and win. Oh well, better luck next time.

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I am really thinking of studios in the us who rely heavily on native amateur talent-bangbros etc. If there was a financial advantage to shooting offshore, there would be little filming in the US.

If studios move production offshore to circumvent condom regulations, the consumer will be paying more to see thier favorite stars/studio.

I just can't see it. A move out of LA is more likely. Edited on Jan 17, 2012, 11:41am

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Going to offshore production presents serious logistical challenges and increases production costs. First, you have to convince the models to spend 8 hours on a plane, pay for their travel and expenses, and the models will likely demand more money for their time. This might be acceptable for a big name studio but amateur studios like bangbros, realitykings, etc, it won't work.

Regardless, if it goes offshore you can expect to pay a lot more for porn. Piracy will likely rise as the price rises.

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Apple has always tried to differentiate itself from the PC experience. The marketing of apple products as being 'porn free' is just another way for the company to distinguish itself. Jobs wasn't really anti-porn. He realized this slogan was a very efficient marketing vehicle. Not everyone likes viewing porn and some don't want any exposure to it. With it being all over the net and in your emails via spam, the advertising campaign proved to be effective.

Of course, apple products are not porn-free. Viewing porn is no problem on a mac or ipad. It just might take an extra step to get certain media files onto the device. Most sites now can be streamed on an ipad. You can't view flash content, however. Viewing and saving photos is no problem. Downloading videos is. You have to import them to itunes then synch.

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I wouldn't want to use such a service, but that's just me. I don't think online storage would ever be something most people would consider.

Considering the long-term cost in subscribing to such a service, it would probably be cheaper in the long run to just get an external drive and be done with it. Also, storing videos online means you will eventually need to transfer them back to view. This takes time to stream or DL and you are at the mercy of the server resource.

If someone were to offer such a service for free or a nominal fee, I would be extremely weary. Danger, Will Robinson. You have access to your uploaded content but the owners of the server will too. Such a deal would represent a Porn Pirate's wet dream--everyone handing you all their porn they have gathered over the years. You get to view it for free, sell it, distribute it, or use it for spam marketing.

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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when did anyone in the U.S. show that much concern for the heath and safety of workers in any industry?

I feel that the people ultimately driving most of these condom regulations are just puritanical moralists masquerading as people that supposedly care about performers' safety. It's like the anti-drunk driving movement really being an anti-alcohol movement.

Though I'm sure many of the tell-all memoirs from porn stars in the last few years read like it, I doubt we'll see an equivalent of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle for porn anytime soon. (And at this point in the wake of the tsunami of 'net porn it would probably just turn readers on, not off. )

And I'm betting condom rules will just push studios either away from LA or from DVDs to purely online content (little to no regulation) or both. Or worse they will simply not comply at all. If consumers don't want to see condoms then they will push the industry to react accordingly--demand will trump dumb laws every time.


Well, I wasn't trying to take a stand for or against condom use. I am just looking at this from the perspective of practical realism.

There is a reality here that the industry must come to terms with. The industry has a lot of opponents who wield substantial power in Washington. This lobby who would like to shut down the porn industry. This won't happen but they can make your life miserable by regulating it out the ass.

This goes beyond condoms. A self-regulating industry is key to keeping the Feds off your back. Obviously, I am a consumer of the industry. However, this has not blinded me to the fact that the industry has failed to self-regulate itself and has never been proactive. That is its Achiles heel. Some industry players usually never get it until the shit hits the fan.

Critics realize that an outright ban on pornography is a pipe dream. What the critics and opponents are doing with the porn industry is the same thing that was done against tobbaco use--don't ban it, demonize it, in the hopes that consumption will slowly diminish over time.

I have the right to do lots of things. I have the right to express myself how I see fit. I can walk down the street in pink shorts and purple cowboy boots while playing a banjo. However, while exercising my right to freedom of expression, I will only succeed in drawing unneeded attention to myself. If my goal is to gain acceptance and deflect the criticism of my detractors who say I am insane and should be avoided, this is not the way to do it. The time to do something is not when I have been hauled in for a psychiatric evaluation, only to declare I am entitled to freedom of expression and should be left alone.

The best way to counteract being demonized is to take proactive measures to counter your critics. In other words, don't blow smoke in the face of those who say second-hand smoke is bad for those who are subject to it. If you keep it clean and keep it safe, the opposition that wields power will end up looking like the panty police going on yet another witch hunt, declaring masturbation causes people to go blind.

01-15-12  09:16am - 4725 days #27
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I got the Ipad as a portable entertainment center. I am a consultant so I spend a lot of time in airports and hotels.

I didn't get it with the idea of viewing porn, although it's nice to be able to do so on the road to give me something to 'think about'.

Importing videos is pretty simple in itunes once they are downloaded. You just can't do direct downloads. Images can be downloaded by right-clicking but you can't download zips. Importing images galleries is done through itunes as well.

If consuming porn is a priority then the Ipad is less practical. It is certainly not a porn-free deivce, however, as Apple touts for PR. you usually just have to take an extra step by synching to get most porn onto the device from imports.

I stream Netflix a lot, and have a large collection of e-books from itunes and Kindle. I also have audio books and music libraries, etc.

In the end, tablets do make a good portable entertainment center and I suspect that's why most people get them. Compared to a laptop, they are much more efficient and practical when it comes to consuming media and such. I might upgrade when apple comes out with the retina display.

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Hi. Interesting discussion.

Technically, I think California is the state that openly permits filming. It all borders down to the question of prositution. Does paying a model to be filmed having sex on film constitute illegal sex for hire? In some states, the answer was yes and performers could get charged with soliciation and sex for hire. Producers could be charged as well.

The key word here is 'could.' Most states are not going to actively pursue the matter if it is kept discreet and you don't go over the line. They have better things to be concerned with. Also, we here aren't the only ones who view porn and enjoy the medium. Politicians and conservatives are beating off to this stuff too.

Porn is neither legal or illegal. It is in the twilight zone and exists in a grey area. You can't ban it because you can't define it. Is porn a depiction of a bare tit? Does it require full nudity to be qualified as porn? Or is porn showing gential action?

Obscenity statutes are used to prosecute distributors and producers. Most of the time, it's the attorney general who goes forward with charges and the States rarely pursue it.

To keep the feds off their backs, the industry should start being proactive and do things to further 'legitimize' the industry and clean it up a bit.

Addressing health issues are good. But the industry should really start dealing with other concerns too. When you get porn popups and spam, they don't come from the pay-sites. Sites like RealityKings and BangBros are not spamming everyone's email box with junk and spam porn links. It's the pirated sites doing this.

I hate spam and most everyone else probably does too. If I had kids, I wouldn't want them seeing this either. So, if you show the feds you are being responsibile, putting up links like the intro to this site about porn addiction and child porn reporting, it will all come down on the pirates. This would be an incentive for the FED to ramp up anti-piracy laws and aggressivley prosecute them, rather than going after porn producers for obscentiy. The producers are not the ones randomly exposing people and kids to porn via spam and popups.

The biggest issue is making sure those who do not want to see porn, do not see it.

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^I think the law forcing companies to use condom for stuff shot in LA is all but a done deal. You should check out what the guy says on the bellow link. He has is haters but I'm not one of them. The guy makes a lot of sense and I agree with him that the industry is exactly where they allowed themselves to get to.

http://www.mikesouth.com/


Yeah. I don't think a lot of players in the porn industry get it. The guy is spot on about self-regulation. I have said that a couple times already. Things are happening too fast and the industry won't get it until the Feds start cleaning house. Porn has kind of turned into a free-for-all. The dems aren't going to the be in control forever. Hatch is already demanding the AG beef up obscenity prosecutions. When the balance of power shifts back to the gop they are going to regulate things out the butt. Dems can't retain control forever and the cycle is shifting again.

This industry has never been proactive and its going to come back to haunt it. This industry needs to start taking some proactive self-regulatory measures if it wants to keep from eventually imploding under the flood of govt regulations which will come the first time the GOP gets back into a position of dominance. I think profits have blinded a lot of people in the industry to reality.

IMO, of course.

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I watched some porn on my iPad just to try it out. Size is an issue, but likely the only time you'd use a tablet is when you don't have access to a PC or laptop hooked to a large monitor. I can't say for sure, but I suspect the screen resolution is much better on the iPad than on the old monitors we all had.


The resolution is about the same as the old CRT at 1024x800. Pixel density is higher, however, because there is less real estate to put the same number of pixels. The result is crisper and cleaner looking images on an iPad. I would take a tablet over an old monitor any day.

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As Work takes me away often I stream video on my iPad. Not just porn but other media as well-Netflix etc.

The problem with the iPad is you can't really download a lot of stuff. You need to synch it. a lot of stuff needs to be converted to mp4.

iPad has no memory slot or peripheral ports.

If porn is something you want to view on a tablet, I wouldn't recommend an iPad. No flash support and will not usually accept downloads. Image viewing is fine.

I got the iPad last year. I would have probably preferred a Samsung galaxy 10.1.

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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'll appologize to BubbaGump and anyone else that didn't want to know because I'm going to tell you the meaning of all the terms I used.
-ATM: (ass to mouth) It's basically when a girl sucks a penis or toy that was previously in her or another girls ass.
-PTM.(Pussy to mouth) see above but replace ass with pussy.
-Dirty ATM:This is the same thing as an ATM but the penis or toy has some shit or at the very least some anal juice on it.(yes it's as discusting as it sounds).
-Pink eye and cum snorting was described on an above post.
-Creampie is basically when the male ejaculates inside one of the females orifice.
-Multiple creampies:same as above but here you get more than one guy to ejaculate inside the performer but without evacuating the previous creampie.
Multiple facials:It's when many guys ejaculate on the face of a female performer.
Blowbang:That's like a gang bang but the guys only use the girls mouth. This normally ends with a multiple facial.

Now it's quite possible that some studios first used these things for shock value but whether through insight or pure luck. They managed to create a demand for some and I fear all of these things so that guys now request that their favorite star do one or all of these things.


Disease time. There is a current legal debate about whether California industry workers should have to use condoms for vaginal sex, out of health concerns for the models. IMO that's the least of the health concerns if you are doing these things. It's funny that someone probably wouldn't eat a piece of candy that was dropped on the floor but would agree to put a wiener in their mouth that was just inside of a butt containing about ten kinds of harmful bacteria, and feces.

My theory of why the younger 20-something generation is turned on by such things is because their first exposure to pornography included such depictions. It was already out there. It's not that anyone felt the urge to move up to the extreme to get turned on, it's that this is what they came accross at first and gained pleasure from by viewing. You then see that as pleasurable to view and the less extreme bits are not what you are accustomed to recieving pleasure from.

Anyways, I am not here to judge. I just find it extremely distasteful and that is just my opinion. To each their own. I just think that the industry needs to tone it down a bit or it will bring unneeded attention from the feds looking to nab somene come election time. Also, it just hands out ammo to the critics. Edited on Jan 13, 2012, 11:04am

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I wish I could believe that but I've read too many people express a wish that their favorite performer do all sort of fucked up things like these: blowbangs, creampies both anal and vaginal, multiple creapies, ATM, PTM, dirty ATM, pink eyes, cum snorting, multiple facials to name but a few. Now the people asking for these aren't asking for a sex scene that might include one or more of these things but a video that only has these things. For me that means that they get turned on and sexually satisfied by watching this type of porn.


I am not sure if I know what half those terms are. Blow bang? I am not sure I want to know.

I still would think its a minority who really would actually get off on semen in someone's eye or snorting jizz through a straw. I can understand someone getting turned on by multiple facials or things like that but not in the eye.

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I think the main attraction for that kind of stuff is simply in the shock-factor and novelty. I doubt many people really get aroused by the idea of watching someone snort semen through a straw or get a nasty load of jizz shot in their eye. Perhaps someone does, but I suspect they are few and far between.

People probably want to watch this for the same reason they wanted to see that one-girl-one-cup clip that went viral a while ago. Hardly anyobody would get off on it and most viewers would probably be repusled, but it's like the car accident at the side of the road that makes everyone want to slow down to take a look.

This kind of stuff is more like a Ripley's 'Believe It Or Not' version of a Porn flick more than anything else. I cannot believe such depictions actually appeal to individuals in an erotic way.

I recently read a news story about a man in new Zealand who was arrested for trying to have sex with a lawn mower on his front yard--seriously. Sometimes, people have a fetish that would be considered bizarre by most. However, these are always the exception, not the norm.

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Off topic, but Bubba Gump, I recall a restaurant named that in Monterrey California I went to about 12 years ago, right on the water there. Pretty interesting place.


Really? Wow. lol

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Originally Posted by messmer:


I think the blame for the tendency to produce more perverted and outrageous material can be squarely laid at the feet of porn addicts.

Most of us are users who are quite content to find nice material within the niche that interests us the most, but there is also a fair number who need something stronger and stronger as they go along .. just like any other addicts. They no longer get the kick they used to experience from main stream porn, just as users of opiates need ever increasing quantities of their favorite poison.

PS. VideoBox only yesterday published a video where the "stars" snorted semen through a straw!!! It just confirmed to me that I have not yet reached the addict stage. What made it even worse was the fact that Tanner Mayes participated in that. TANNER MAYES, for Pete's sake.


Hi,

I think that more extreme depcitions are arising because some producers are simply pushing the envelope(often too far) and this niche already appeals to a certain segmnent.

I never bought the argument that viewing pornography as a form of erotic stimulation leads to a shift in what one considers erotic.

I can buy the argument that one will want to view new images once familiarity with the old images wears off. i.e. one will want new stimulation to replace what has become mundane. This is true with most forms of entertainment. When I purchase a mainstream movie, I would get bored watching it again and again, so I will purchase another one when I feel in the mood and have the time. A movie is nothing more than entertianment and a form of escape from the mundane reality of life.

However, none of this means that one will suddenly require more extreme images such as violent depictions contained within the movie to get a 'fix'. One will stick with the genre of film that one finds appealing. Exposure to one genre does not lead to the desire for another genre to gain fulfilment and satisfaction. You don't just suddenly have the urge to 'move up' to watching violent or more extreme movies if your preferred genre is romance, for instance.

The argument that those who view porn will, over time, need more violent or extreme images to become aroused is usually put forth in Conservative circles and amounts to what I would term intellectual masturbation. One has to already be attracted to the idea of such depictions in order to be aroused by them.

That is not to say that viewers may gain a fetish or switch a genre, but I find it hard to make a casual link between viewing porn and eventually needing these more extreme or violent decpitions to gain arousal.

I have viewed erotica off and on in my entire adult life. I have always had attractions to this medium as a form of sexual self-fulfillment, in addition to a normal sexual lifestyle. Not once have I ever been turned on by the idea of the extreme, and I have never felt the need to move on to violent depictions or extreme erotica to become aroused. I am still attracted to the same women and still have the same fetish.

Of course, I am just one individual and this is proof of nothing. However, I highly suspect that the majority of folks would offer similar refrains. I doubt you would find a great number of individuals who stated they needed to switch to images of women being abused or degraded to gain arousal. You would need to already have this propensity within your psyhce.

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