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| 07-20-10 08:24am - 5269 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Is "Free Porn" stealing...or......? Normally this place is a no-no about all that free stuff out there - one reason: TBP/PU is - of course - about joining paysites and comments/reviews on those. But ONE question: Does PUs consider it stealing when/if you use all those forums ect. out there on the net - forums that gives you access to a hell of a lot of paysite-material via paying to Hotfiles, Sharing Matrix, RapidShare ect. instead. I'd say YES - still one or two problems: 1) The time spend to search is too much time spend - so rather pay some more to get to the paysite/paysites. 2) Hunting down vintage stuff is a serious problem - a lot here is GONE - AND only kept alive by people on these forums.  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 07-20-10 04:02pm - 5269 days | #2 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User  Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
It's stealing. That said, I discovered a lot of paysites through stolen porn and subscribed to the paysites later. Free porn has ended up costing me a lot of money. | |
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| 07-20-10 04:11pm - 5269 days | #3 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Stealing gets my vote too. And I take it personally when quality sites like American Vice shut down. Presuming of course that the glut of stolen porn had something to do with that. I'm proud to say that of my 3TB collection the percentage of stolen porn would be lost in rounding and it is even possible that I have none since I can't think of any I have that I didn't pay for. | |
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| 07-20-10 05:53pm - 5269 days | #4 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
There are a LOT of forums that are built around promoting and sharing stolen material - and giving hosannas to the biggest posters/thieves as though they are brilliant for their ability to steal and make it available for other people. There are other forums - one which I particularly like, though I've received warnings for mentioning it on this site - that have pretty strong moderated standards that all posts must be of official sample material - or other material that is not taken against the wishes of the producer of the material - Myspace pages created for promotional purposes, etc. That's my preferred place for checking stuff out, though I first learned of pay sites from forums - mainly Yahoo groups - that were built around sharing stolen material - and giving hosannas to the biggest posters/thieves. | |
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| 07-20-10 07:04pm - 5269 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
By definition "free Porn" cannot be stealing since it's free. Of course if that "free Porn" is actually material that was taken from paying sites or from movies and is being offered for free by that site then that is stealing. Quite a few people justify their stealing by saying that the content was free or that they enjoyed the free stuff so much that they joined the site. I think most people aren't like Sevrin. He saw the free stuff and chose to find the site and join it. Most people will simply look for other free stuff. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-21-10 01:46am - 5268 days | #6 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I have actually done that many times. I see something and grab it and if it is decent I at least check out the site and put it in my list. The percentage of my unknown size porn collection to be pirated is extremely low as well. A lot of these places will only have the very most recent update and often times there is a great deal more on the site. I can say that pirated porn has also cost me a lot of money too, so do not feel too bad. The trouble is that many people take what they can get free and move on without even a thought of checking out the actual owner's website. Food for thought: If you go into a store that sells maps and get directions from the clerk, did you steal from the store? "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 07-21-10 02:47am - 5268 days | #7 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
I agree peeps.. I once had a video that went viral to a certain extent. I didn't have my URL on it as it came from my site and a fan had obviously put it up, and I hate little icons flashing in the corner whilst watching a good movie. Having content stolen isn't nice, but at the end of the day I run that risk constantly. I have a smoking fetish personally, if its free i.e on a tube site then all good, but you know.. I keep seeing the same content over and over and it's getting boring. I think you are better off paying, because what the tube sites do not portray is the reality of the star, the extras and all the effort that goes into filming. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 07-21-10 04:54am - 5268 days | #8 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
I may be in the minority, but I don't have a big problem with sites putting a watermark or URL in their movies or on their photos. It helps people track down the source if they like the freebies. Heck, there are some contraband sites that put their banner on purloined vids. Sapphic Erotica is an example of a site that does it pretty discreetly and I don't find it too distracting. There are other sites like My18Teens that get carried away on some of their videos, but even there, I understand why they do it. The last thing those girls need is someone taking food off their tables.  | |
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| 07-21-10 05:14am - 5268 days | #9 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
Yeah, if it is using content without permission, it is stealing. And to make it worse, it is not stealing from "big fat company" (regardless if it is Sony or some porn website), but it is stealing from other users of the same company, so if somebody steals from porn website, he's in effect stealing from ME  .My reasoning for this rather harsh conclusion is the following: what would happen if EVERYBODY would enjoy stolen porn (or stolen movies)? Answer is obvious to me: there won't be any new porn (or movies) AT ALL, as nobody is going to pay for shootings. And what will happen if 50% of the people will steal? Again, quite obvious to me: prices for the REST of the people (those who don't steal) should go TWICE UP to cover expenses. So when somebody is stealing (not ALL free porn is "stealing": I don't apply this term to TGPs and other promotional stuff which is released for free by owners), he's stealing from HONEST guys who decided to pay, like myself. Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 07-21-10 05:20am - 5268 days | #10 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
I'm thinking maybe a small URL won't hurt then. Bloody good point you've raised here asmith. The original hub sites were made by porn producers weren't they? Of course we have to give away a few freebies etc.. But what I would point out is that those Tube sites do have a tendency to favour the large companies..when I do upload to them, it gets barely any views as its not put on the "new footage" boards or anything, sometimes people have to be "Friends" to even view them. Hardly fair on the customer OR the little webmasters like me all this xx Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 07-21-10 06:15am - 5268 days | #11 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
I think we're talking about different things. You seem to mean TGPs and Tubes, and when you (as a webmaster) want to publish some stuff of on TGP (MGP, Tube) it is your choice and when somebody comes there, there is no stealing. (it can be indeed unfair to smaller guys but this is different story). What I am talking about is not TGPs, but torrents, stolen password sites and so on. Whenever somebody uses stuff which was not intended there, it is not only stealing, but IMHO it is stealing from ME (as I need to pay for myself and for the other guy who stole content).  Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 07-21-10 06:25am - 5268 days | #12 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
I was talking about one of my site videos going viral uploaded from my site which was stolen. Just elaborating on the fact that stolen stuff gets tubed too and even if you are giving away freebies it can be counter productive x. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 07-21-10 07:37am - 5268 days | #13 | |
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Belthazar (0)
Active User Posts: 27 Registered: Jan 13, '07 Location: Prague |
"FREE" feature porn movies - yes, this could be piracy, but "FREE" material from pseudo porn sites - this is only promotion for this sites. I dont understand how some "pornproducers" dare to want money for the crap they are making with small digital cameras.  I am missing old times, when there were pornstars that were able to act and movies had decent plot. Women: Different hardware, same software | |
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| 07-21-10 11:15am - 5268 days | #14 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I was like Sevrin. In the past I downloaded files from the usenet by subscribing to groups that catered to my niches until the appetite to get more from certain sites drove me to subscribe to them and I haven't looked back since.  I'll happily shell out the money for the convenience of having everything at my finger tips. I think most sites know the advertising value of some of the stuff found in newsgroups or they would have put a stop to the uploaders (through their usenet server) ages ago. It would be easy enough to threaten legal action unless they disabled the file sharer's account. | |
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| 07-21-10 06:14pm - 5268 days | #15 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Some sites put a lot of energy to shutting down the piracy. Some sites figure there's advertising value. Some sites/webmasters figure it's just part of the realities of having porn sites and aren't interested even if you alert them to the thievery. | |
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| 07-22-10 11:29am - 5267 days | #16 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I really don't bother looking for 'free' stuff. From previous experience I find hunting down stuff that interests me too time consuming for the returns. That said if I see a watermarked photo I like, I will visit the site. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 07-25-10 01:06am - 5264 days | #17 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
Was reading about some things elsewhere, pretty interesting, I'll try to recall the link. Watermarks on content not only redirect people from piracy sites to the content's creator - which I think only occurs for a very small percentage of people - but also allows the creators to register a trademark and go after the sites for improper use of that trademark. DMCA and copyright laws have been proven to be basically worthless, trademark lawsuits have had much better success fighting back. Then, organized crime is getting in to the porn piracy business, pushing the tube sites. Their goal is specifically to break the porn industry. Everyone is going to surf porn and if the bulk of the global traffic of 100,000 porn sites can be reduced to a dozen or so mafia controlled sites, then somehow they will be able to make money on owning and rationing out the bandwidth to others at a very hefty markup. They lose money on the bandwidth eaten by the tube sites, while making up for it reselling portions of the finite resource. Not sure on the specifics but that is the gist of it. | |
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| 07-25-10 02:50am - 5264 days | #18 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
As long as there are guys with cameras and girls willing to pull up their shirts and relatively unrestricted access to the internet, there will never be a monopoly on porn. Organized crime probably has a weaker grip on the porn industry now than it ever has. | |
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| 07-25-10 04:13am - 5264 days | #19 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
People seem to think of the porn "indusry" as an organised group. The majority of porn is produced by small businesses, for fun or as a sideline. A huge amount is produced by photographers and videographers (of which there are millions) just to make some money. There is a lot of supply, a lot of cheap/free availability and the "industry" is fragmented all over the world. I don't see anyway organised crime could hope to control that in any way. Their best bet would be to take over some of the big porn companies but many of those are having a bad time right now. Rationing porn is never going to work whilst millions of people can just grab a video camera and make their own at home. In the UK alone it's reckoned there are over 10,000 startup porn companies every year. Obviously most fail but if the cost of porn produced by the big guys increased substantially then a lot more start ups would work. You can't fight that. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 07-28-10 01:14pm - 5261 days | #20 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
It would be difficult to quantify, but it would be interesting to know how many expect to make a decent living with it & how many are just doing it for fun? Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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