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| 06-15-12 08:45pm - 4573 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Industry Profit Decline and the Danger of Porn Tube Sites I just ran across the rather shallow but certainly topical BBC article about the decline of profits in the porn industry. We've all heard the story before, but it is interesting to see it brought up again in mainstream media.
It is crazy to think a name like Tommy Gunn is pulling in $40K before taxes and without any benefits. I know we all preach to the choir quite regularly about the importance of supporting pay sites and not downloading illegal porn, but it is some what shocking at times to see that one of the top male performers is making about the same salary of that of a store manager at McDonald's. It's when you run across stats like that that at least my attitude toward Digital Rights Management lightens up a bit. The article also makes the point that some people find it more morally reprehensible to actually purchase porn than if they "happen" to watch it for free. I find the Music and Film industries' complaints about content piracy are usually rather hollow mostly because studies have shown for years that easier access to their content actually boasts sales. They had the same fears when the reel-to-reel equipment became available to the consumer, and again with audio tapes, and vcr, and cd, et cetera - everytime equaled a boost in sales. Secondly, in regards to music and film, the majority of people downloading the content haven't the money to purchase it - but they do have the free time to figure out how to download it. Those with the money, don't have the time, so they are more inclined to purchase. However, if porn is clashing with one's morale compass, that sort of blows the system apart. So here is to the porn industry and a hope for a bright future with less stigma and more consumers! "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-15-12 09:45pm - 4573 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The article states that Traci Lords was a porn performer who became a celebrity. That's misleading. Traci Lords was a porn performer who became a celebrity because she started her porn career while a minor in magazines and movies. And when news of her real age came out, there was a scandal, and her nude magazine appearances and porn movies were considered child pornography. | |
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| 06-15-12 10:00pm - 4573 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The article also states: "Webcam work is one of the few kinds of content that can't be pirated, since it's live and interactive." The reporter sounds like an idiot. There are probably thousands of taped webcam shows on the internet. Some model puts on a webcam show, and someone in the audience tapes it, and then posts it on the internet. And maybe the production company does the same thing. | |
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| 06-15-12 10:09pm - 4573 days | #4 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The reporter not only sounds like an idiot, he is an idiot. He writes: "The male performers' options are even more circumscribed. No prostitution for them, no webcam shows, and lower pay." The reporter never heard of male prostitutes? He never heard of webcam shows with males? I've never seen a webcam show with a male performer, but it seems obvious they are available. | |
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| 06-15-12 11:04pm - 4572 days | #5 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I believe, the author was implying that the appeal of webcams were their interactive nature. There can be a certain amount of truth in this as webcams tend to be much lower quality in regards to both the format and the relative stationary position of the camera (though some models will move the camera around either by hand or remote). Without the interactivity, webcams recordings can be a bit boring. So while the video technically can be pirated, the real-time freshness that makes a webcam stream appealing, cannot. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-15-12 11:06pm - 4572 days | #6 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
You seem to be forgetting that she has also made a small Hollywood career out of her notoriety. Also, many celebrities are mostly famous for being a celebrity - Bai Ling springs to mind. So I fail to see how the author's statement was misleading. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-15-12 11:11pm - 4572 days | #7 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I will grant you that this article is rather shallow, as it is more of an overview than an in-depth exposé and is very focused on the heterosexual market of the porn industry. That said, I've never seen a male performer from the hetero side of the industry advertising their webcam account on their twitter feed - a practice that is very common among female performers. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-16-12 01:09am - 4572 days | #8 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Granted, the interactive feature of the webcam can increase the value of a webcam video. But how many porn videos have you seen that were boring or a waste of time? How many low-quality photosets have you seen or skipped over because you thought they were a waste of time? My point is, you or I might be looking for quality porn, but a lot of porn is low quality, in photosets and videos. And I have seen recorded videos of live chat shows posted on the internet. And I'm pretty sure I've even seen some photosets made from live chat shows. | |
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| 06-16-12 02:00am - 4572 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
The same with any media based industry. Film, Music, Entertainment, mainstream pornography. It evolves with the advance of technology. To survive a business has to cater to the popular technology. Any business has peaks & troughs, but sex will always sell at some level. I wonder is the 'artsier' side of the business being hit as hard? Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 06-16-12 02:15am - 4572 days | #10 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
The article is secondary to the documentary made by the same guy "Louis Theroux - Twilight of the Porn Stars" which aired last week. I have not seen this particular one but I really like Louis Theroux's style as he comes across as a very likeable chap to the people he speaks to which enables him to coax out of them things they would not normally openly say. He already did a documentary on Porn several years ago which was extremely good and totally non-judgemental which is a rarity. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 06-16-12 07:48am - 4572 days | #11 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Theroux writes, "For many performers, the movies are now a sideline and a kind of advertising for their main business of prostitution." Where can I get me one of those? Many performers? Who could possible be a whore in this business? . . .  BMF, Frank was one of my favorite artists, a great musician and humorist. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 06-16-12 08:50am - 4572 days | #12 | |
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Claypaws (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 144 Registered: May 16, '12 Location: UK |
Now, obviously I want the producers to stay in business. But I think that, in considering the effect of tube sites and other free outlets on the porn industry, there is a danger of confusing correlation with cause. It is true that profitability, and possibly actual sales, have declined; it is true that tube sites have grown. But that shows only correlation and it is not safe to conclude that tube sites have caused the decline. Another possible cause of the decline is simply the changing of tastes with passage of time. In the early days, the material had novelty value. Now it no longer has that and people seek new thrills, such as circulating clips of actual sex lives, in low quality. It is not that easy access to pirated content has caused the decline of the producers of quality material. Rather, it is the general trend for people not to care about quality at all. Those who get their porn via tube feeds would not purchase anyway. They will get it free or not at all. I have not accessed tube sites because I am not interested in video. But almost every picture site I have joined has been a result of finding a complete set, or several, posted in full resolution on one of the bulletin boards. The reason I ever went there was that the producers are so scared of giving anything away that their tours include virtually nothing that allows you to decide whether the content is worth having. They really need to keep up with the times. Producers should club together and set up a quality free site where they upload complete high resolution videos and picture sets. And with links to join the pay sites via reputable billing companies. Certainly, some people, maybe even most visitors to that site, would only grab the free stuff. But they would not have joined the pay sites anyway. If 1% of visitors sign up, that is revenue the pay sites would not otherwise have got. This is the principle that makes spam so profitable. Millions of people see it. Most ignore it. But the 1% who buy as a result generate huge profits for the spammers. I had this discussion with a webmaster of a paysite I was in at the time. He was (IMO) wasting resources trying to fight the pirates in the courts. He trusted me (quite rightly) and actually showed me a site where his entire content was being pirated. I can understand that litigation against such total theft might be justified and might even succeed. But that should not prevent webmasters from forming a legitimate free site with real actual content, not just a few samples. Tube sites will not go away. Pirate sites will not go away. Producers need to learn to use the easy access so as to further their business. Many of us would not visit tube sites and would not want their content. But I would love a "TBP Free" kind of a site where I could read (and write) reviews but also see actual full resolution content uploaded by the participating paysites. I would join more sites than I do now. Hey, I might even join some video sites. That would be a coup for them! | |
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| 06-16-12 08:57am - 4572 days | #13 | |
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bibo (0)
Suspended Posts: 179 Registered: Sep 16, '10 Location: GER |
@jberryl: check http://www.raincoatreviews.com/community...r-escort-watch.2520/ Many Pornstars are escorting these days. Not hard to find, but you need some extra cash on your hand  @topic: Somehow I don't believe all this "industry is dying" thing. Especially the idea that tube sites are responsible sounds a little bit too simple for my tastes. Free porn was always available on the internet. Back in the days, people used EMule or Torrent sites. With many of those p2p/filesharing sites dissapearing or getting into legal problems (megaupload etc), we see more tube sites coming up. The argument of production companies losing money due to illegal copies and sharing is quite popular. The music industry says it, the gaming industry says it and now, the adult industry says it too. What they fail to see is, that those people, who are satisfied with 640*480 blurry streaming/stuttering porn are most definitely NOT people, who would pay for a site anyways. The companies aren't losing any money, because they never actually *had* that money, not even in a theoretical case. Those people are leeching free stuff, that's it. Now, before this drifts off into a piracy copy discussion: I'm working in the software business and I'm fully aware of the threats, dangers and effects of piracy. And I pay for each and every movie/picture that I download, simply because I appreciate quality content. If it's really true that the industry is dying, there has to be another reason for the trend. Edited on Jun 16, 2012, 09:12am (bibo: typo) | |
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| 06-16-12 10:53am - 4572 days | #14 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I have, more than once, with American performers (Danny Wylde and Christian XXX come to mind off the top of my head). They don't make as much as the girls do, but there are some that do it. | |
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| 06-16-12 11:00am - 4572 days | #15 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
The problem isn't so much that piracy exists since, as you said, piracy been around for longer than the internet has. The problem is that it's become so much easier to pirate now that anyone can do it. Because we're tech people, we take for granted that it's not that easy to set up a torrent (not particularly hard, but not something you can have someone who only uses the computer to surf the internet set up by themselves). The "beauty" of tube sites (and the reason they are so dangerous) is because there's literally no technical knowledge needed to be able to use them, and on top of that there's no waiting period for a download. You just find the page, hit play, and that's it. Add to that the fact that the tubes are so popular that on many occasions, if you search for a scene, a result for the pirated/tube version of that scene will show up in the search results higher than the official place to get that scene, and it's not necessarily just about "pirates wouldn't pay anyway", which there's not really any quantifiable way to say whether it's true or not true. | |
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| 06-16-12 02:13pm - 4572 days | #16 | |
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Thomas20 (0)
Active User Posts: 60 Registered: Dec 27, '09 Location: England |
Louis Theroux was following up on a BBC documentary he made 15 years ago. I said in the 'sameness' discussion that since I'm not in the business I couldn't say with any authority that tubes are killing the business. But my instinct is that it isn't, any more than 'home taping' in the 80s didn't kill music. It's all relative and it required no more technical skill to queue up a record player or double tape deck back then than it does to download a pirate vid does now. In both cases you end up with a poor copy of the original. In fact, copied tapes were probably a better replicant than sub standard grainy vids are today but they still didn't kill the music biz despite the skulls and crossbones on the paper sleeves that you slide the record into. Developing a theme already mentioned above, for every copy of a 1980s record that got circulated that was an advert that probably caused people that heard it to go out a follow those bands buying records, then cds then dvds and concert tickets for the next 30 years. Also as observed above people that want grainy vids probably weren't ever going to pay to get decent ones anyway. The trend for declining sales is more likely surely to be increased competition which, over a prolonged period, is going to face most professions sooner or later. The thing to do is stop moaning and producing lousy output, re-invent what you are doing and the business model if need be, and produce decent product that people want to buy. Edited on Jun 16, 2012, 02:19pm | |
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| 06-16-12 02:27pm - 4572 days | #17 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Yes, and please listen to what the longer term customers ask for? The constant white noise clamour for mainstream hardcore material has flooded the market and has largely drowned out the niche content. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 06-16-12 02:29pm - 4572 days | #18 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I don't know if you've pirated recently, but the fact that all of this is taking place on the internet (i.e. it's all digital) means you're ending up with an exact copy of the original video, not some duplicate of a duplicate that has quality degradation. Especially with newer material. | |
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| 06-16-12 02:56pm - 4572 days | #19 | |
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Claypaws (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 144 Registered: May 16, '12 Location: UK |
Hear, hear!! | |
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| 06-16-12 03:05pm - 4572 days | #20 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Why does he make such a big deal of declining DVD sales? Of course DVD sales are going down, this is the internet age. I really don't think tube sites have much to do with this at all, why would anyone go to a store and pay $20-30 for one DVD when they can join any number of sites for the same price and get hundreds of scenes? I'm sure profits are down, but focussing on tube sites as the primary cause seems a bit shortsighted, all the aspects of the global financial crisis (unemployment, decreased wages, etc) likely has just as much if not more to do with declining profits. Is piracy the cause of decreased profits at hotels and resorts too? Further, porn performers doing work on the side is nothing new, many were and still are prostitutes and strippers. Also, I really don't buy the tube sites make it so much easier argument. Almost anyone in Generation X, or the Millenials (and probably many boomers) is computer savvy enough to use torrents or P2P software. I still just have a hard time believing those that got it for free would have paid for it. I had a friend that used to download oodles of free movies, burn to DVD and save them in a vast collection, would he have bought every one of those if they weren't "free", I highly doubt it - particularly since the vast majority were terrible. Maybe, he might have gotten 1-2% of them, and in fact he actually later bought many of his favorites anyway. In particular those that find it immoral to pay for porn but not to steal it most certainly would never pay for it, so what does it really matter? Don't we have this same discussion every six months or so? https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...ad.html?threadid=831 https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...d.html?threadid=2843 Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 06-16-12 03:24pm - 4572 days | #21 | ||
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bibo (0)
Suspended Posts: 179 Registered: Sep 16, '10 Location: GER |
The good old tech people argument. Sorry, but no, I don't buy that. The current generation was raised with the internet. They know how to deal with it and they know how to set up a torrent, because for them it's as easy as rewinding a tape with a pen for our generation. Yes, they may search tube sites and hit play...and watch a blurry image of naked people doing strange things. But that's not what the industry is about. I'll say it again: if THIS is enough for a person, he will certainly not spend money to watch high quality stuff. If you want to listen to a certain song, you (I assume) log on to youtube and enjoy the music. Low bitrate samples, tiny videos. Did youtube kill the music industry?
I agree, there is no quantiyfiable way to say whether or not tube sites are harmful for the industry. So it's impossible to evalualte the potential damage to the business, let alone identify tube sites as the main reason for it's decline. Considering the fact that many of those oh so evil tube sites are run and catered by HUGE websites, I find it hard to believe that this is the origin of the crisis. | ||
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| 06-16-12 06:40pm - 4572 days | #22 | ||
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Again, I'm gonna ask you when the last time you actually pirated content was, because the quality loss is nowhere near as bad as you keep insinuating that it is. It is, 9 times out of 10, the same quality as you would get from a standard definition file download.
One company own pretty much all the major tube sites. It's called Manwin. That company is now using the fact that their tube sites have devalued traditional porn companies to buy as many of them as possible. Edit: And technically, the talent in the porn industry has taken the same corrective measures as the talent in the music industry has: they get some money from making scenes, yes, but they can make more of it from touring (escorting and feature dancing) and other things (like webcamming and merchandise like Fleshlights and other molds). Edited on Jun 17, 2012, 12:47am (hodayathink: Added info) | ||
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| 06-16-12 10:17pm - 4572 days | #23 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
That is a good point, people will settle for quite low quality if it is free. Being willing to pay, I make no time for shitty image / video quality, but I suppose I'm a bit of the exception than the rule. Still, the interactive appeal of a webcam experience is very attractive for some customers, so in that sense webcams have that "x-factor" that always makes them able to earn dollars. Despite this, I must say, the amount of money one can burn through on a webcam, I never been fond of them for that reason. I used to love the free webcams that were included with METArt but I think they too have switched over to free-to-preview / pay-to-play webcams. The free webcams made the girls a lot more relaxed, willing to talk and tease - though most of the users just repeated "show us your pussy" constantly. I ended up in a 20 minute discussion with one girl trying to explain to her what a Woodchuck was. That left a lot of the other users extremely confused when they joined the cam mid conversation. But I digress. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-16-12 11:09pm - 4571 days | #24 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Yep, we do bring up the anti-tube site comment every 6-months or so, but it isn't as frequent that it is actually featured in a main-stream news outlet. Hence the creation of this thread. I agree, the vast majority of piracy is viewed/downloaded by viewers who aren't going to pay for it anyway - hence my original comment. However, there may be a larger segment that would have payed for it if it weren't readily available because seeing it for free eases the moral turmoil they are wrestling with by watch porn at all. The theory (and it is pretty clearly a theory) makes good sense to me: Many people pay for things they find immoral, because they still follow their urges - many a priest has hired a hooker - but if they can get the same goods for free, they'll be very heavily inclined to do so. Lastly, the import of the DVD sales is that many porn companies based their entire business model around VHS and DVDs, with the market dropping out in that category, they are left scrambling to get their content online. Dumb of them? Yes, very. Going to cause a number of companies to go bankrupt? Sadly, yes, probably. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-16-12 11:16pm - 4571 days | #25 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Noting the not too thinly veiled sarcasm in this comment, I'll point out that yes, many performers do and do so legally (unlike the linked escort thread). The perfectly legal Moonlite Bunny Ranch just outside of Carson City, Nevada currently advertises 74 pornstars offering prostitution services on their website. They also have over 400 other "bunnies" signed up with them and at least 40 on site 24-7-356. Here is their list of pornstars. I was rather impressed to see they have Jenna Brooks associated with them. I say associated as all of the girls are free-agents with their own prices and agreements with the customers; the ranch works as a middle-man essentially. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-17-12 12:22am - 4571 days | #26 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Sure it is too bad some porn companies that were ill prepared for the internet age may go out of business, my only point was this shouldn't be used as a metric for the industry as a whole. The internet killed lots of companies and it is not because of piracy, it is because those companies were too slow to react (Circuit City, Blockbuster - which I assume will be dead shortly) and other main stream media companies that were not prepared for the internet age have struggled and gone out of business. Businesses that are ill prepared for changes in their environment are bound to fail, but the application of these specific cases to the industry as a whole is invalid in my opinion. While it was interesting to see an article on this in the mainstream media, his thesis was not really well supported in my opinion - he would have been better off focusing on a big name site like Twisty's if he wanted to tie tube sites into it (assuming their revenues are down, but who knows)? The thing that always bothers me about these discussions is the assumption that all companies should succeed. Which is of course bullshit, companies fail, particularly internet companies, and I'd guess even more particularly internet porn companies. Businesses often fail, there is no need to try to find some global cause of it, some are poorly run, some made bad decisions, whatever. The connection to tube sites is very poorly illustrated here, and it just seems to me that he bought into what the producers and talent were telling him without really digging into it much. Oh, and I wasn't trying to take a dig at you for starting this thread, I was just amused that it was starting up again, I was thinking of finding one of my posts from before and copying it in just to save some time...  Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 06-17-12 12:57am - 4571 days | #27 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Companies do come and go, and yes, the author may have bought into the plight of the industry in a bigger way than reality may actually be. I guess I was focused more on the mainstream attention and that we may finally be seeing the death of DVDs that Netflix has been predicting and with it, many porn studios may go the way of the dinosaurs. Nostalgia gets the better of us porn fanatics, so we get sad as old studios that we are familiar with disappear, but in the end you are probably correct that the strong will survive and the industry may be better for it. It will interesting to see what porn is like 20 years from now after DVDs are fully dead and buried and the internet is hitting its 50th birthday (it turned 30 last March). "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 06-17-12 01:34am - 4571 days | #28 | ||
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bibo (0)
Suspended Posts: 179 Registered: Sep 16, '10 Location: GER |
I wasn't talking about piracy, I was talking about tube sites. Of course, when you use p2p tools to share content, there won't be any loss of quality. But torrent and filesharing sites are disapearing. I'm not saying they're completely gone, some are still there and they're still causing problems, but it's not as bad as it was a couple of years ago. My point was (and is), that tube sites are offering low quality material on dodgy, often virus infested sites. And I find it hard to believe, that this kind of material is a serious competition for high quality content.
Absolutely! And that's a good thing IMO. Breaking up the sterile set up of supplier/customer means more influence of the consumer and an increased level of identification with the models. I enjoy "chatting" to some of the girls on twitter or watching them on cam. | ||
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| 06-28-12 06:50pm - 4560 days | #29 | |
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skunk (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 56 Registered: Jun 21, '12 Location: UK/london |
Bibo there is not the money in any thing like (escorting and feature dancing, webcamming and merchandise . Like it was but you are right it is better to do more then one thing.all so means you can get to know the porn stars you like on line or face to face. Yes there is decline of profits in the porn industry most in the DVD, but there is a decline of profits in most industries now. sex and porn will keep on going  http://www.sexxximps.com | |
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| 06-29-12 09:24am - 4559 days | #30 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^ It is interesting to note, the new Windows 8 will not support DVDs - which is just an indication that there will be different ways of delivering porn to the consumer. Is it safe to say that perhaps a combination of a change in technology and intellectual theft are to blame for this decrease in profits? Getting a better business model is being forced down the throats of the producer, but those that are quick on their feet (including producers owning and running tube sites) will end up being the winners. IC a some companies trying out different models - we'll see. Part of the problem is that neither producers nor consumers like change but it is inevitable that there will be pain the the "gain". Maybe directors should consider product placement as means to additional revenue. Haha, that should be the litmus for "is porn becoming mainstream?". If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 06-29-12 01:38pm - 4559 days | #31 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I don't have a clear understanding of the business of porn. Where the profits (and expenses) come from. But from what I've read at the PU site, it seems very few of the members who post buy very little of their porn via DVDs. Instead, they get their porn from the internet, via pay sites. I would guess that most people get their porn from the internet, through free or pay sites. The internet is so much cheaper than DVDs, as well as being more convenient and offering greater diversity of content. I assume DVDs are not going away anytime soon. The cloud is supposed to store more content as time goes on. So DVDs as movies are less important than streaming or downloads. But my understanding is that Win8 will not play movies on DVDs without an upgrade or additional software. But Win8 will play DVDs as data files. I assume that DVDs will still be used for data storage. Edited on Jun 29, 2012, 01:50pm | |
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| 07-01-12 03:51am - 4557 days | #32 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I think the Windows 8 DVD thing is a wise move for Microsoft. Firstly there are many free DVD playing apps around, it will save them money on licensing, but more importantly DVDs are on the way out anyway. They must be looking at the percentages of how many instances of their OS is installed on a machine which either never plays DVDs or does not have the hardware to play them. I use 3 PCs and only one of those (an older desktop machine) has an optical drive anyway. I doubt I use that more than once a month, and that's usually for burning a backup DVD. Lots of new laptops don't have built in optical drives and do any of the tablet form computers? Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 07-01-12 11:39am - 4557 days | #33 | |
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joekramer08 (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Sep 25, '11 Location: U.S.A. |
bottom line: if a site offers hot young girls and good camera work, I will gladly pay them for a membership. The only thing keeping sites from making money is themselves. There will always be a percentage of the population that won't pay for porn, but there is a decent percentage of people who are happy to pay for good porn. All the porn sites have to do is offer better quality camera work and more attractive girls. If a site can improve its scenes and separate itself from the pack, there will be enough people willing to pay and keep them in business. In the end it all comes down to quality camera work and attractive girls - the very basics of porn. The closeup camera angles, overly-aggressive sex, and trashy-looking women on most sites just turns me off. If they fixed those things, I'd be handing over my money in no time. Edited on Jul 01, 2012, 11:43am | |
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| 07-03-12 03:56am - 4555 days | #34 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
The main problem is that customer ask for such a range of things that it's impossible to please everyone. I try to cover as much as possible but with so many interests split down the middle I fragments too much to keep even a majority happy. For example some people like my stripgames to have male and female players, some just female. I've tried using some of each but that doesn't work, lots of people will not join the site if there are male players at all. Then there's the shaved/unshaved thing, then ethnic mix, should I include mature players or not. Some people want these things, some don't mind, some are completely put off. To please all my potential customers I would have to open about 15-20 variations on StripGameCentral.com - that would cost way more than could be supported by membership fees. Years ago there wasn't so much variation available so people tended to be more accepting of stuff which wasn't precisely what they were looking for. But now there are so many niches that everyone expects stuff to be exactly how they want it. For another example, if I include closeups in my videos I get complaints. If I don't include closeups I get about the same number of complaints. If I try to compromise and just include some brief closeups that doesn't really please either side. It feels like I can't win!  Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 07-03-12 08:07pm - 4555 days | #35 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Dammit Ed! if we lose the ability to publish edited Gonzo into the real nitty gritty, how will we ever get to see it on our TV's? Well Ed, I would have said that three months ago before I broke down an bought an HD TV & a Blue-Ray player. One of the interesting features of this retired series from LG is that I don't need to publish on DVD (or a blue-ray either) because I can just plug my external hard drive with all my edited scenes directly into the TV. Now that saves on disposables doesn't it!? If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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