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| 05-16-13 07:27am - 4238 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
PU Official: Raffle Update All users should read the latest Announcement about the $200 Tuesday Weekly raffle ending. https://www.pornusers.com/announcements.html#83888 Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 05-16-13 07:37am - 4238 days | #2 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Raffle or no raffle...I'll still be here. And like many other "oldtimers": sometimes more active, other times less - but we're still here! Hope you guys can keep this great place/site running. Raffle - it was great while it lasted - but sincere PUs will stay put. Thanks guys, at TBP/PU  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on May 16, 2013, 07:42am | |
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| 05-16-13 08:31am - 4238 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I think the main reason people join and contribute to the site is the fact that they get better value for their porn money from the info they find on this site. As well as the friendly, helpful community that exists here. The raffle was nice, but hardly the main draw for this site. So I would think the site will be here forever. Because porn is a fact of life. Even though, as Denner states, our participation here can fluctuate. But this is a great place to visit. Because of the friendly, helpful staff, who found a way to aid their fellow beings in the Search of the Best Porn Sites. And the PU members, who seem to get along in helping each other on that Great Quest.  | |
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| 05-16-13 09:56am - 4238 days | #4 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
It comes as no suprise to me at all. I have occasionally suggested that PU/TBP may well be struggling and in danger of closing. Although I am nowadays only an occasional contributor, like the others, I will continue to be active. This is the first place to look when thinking about which site to join. | |
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| 05-16-13 11:43am - 4238 days | #5 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I will still be around. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 05-16-13 11:59am - 4237 days | #6 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:25pm | |
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| 05-16-13 12:30pm - 4237 days | #7 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
No worries, Khan, while I appreciated winning the raffle now and then (actually quite often) it was never the reason why I participated here or subscribed to sites through here. I could also see that it did not accomplish its purpose of attracting more active participants or new members because a select handful of us seemed to win week after week, so your decision makes a great deal of sense in these lean times. Hope you will never have to shut down this great site and portal. Loyally yours, m. | |
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| 05-16-13 12:43pm - 4237 days | #8 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
What Wittyguy say makes sense. I agree with virtually the whole post, so there isn't much point quoting it all. He outlines why I consider PU/TBP's days to be numbered. Unfortunate but not surprising. PU/TBP money comes from linking to porn sites and taking a cut from the join fee. The more reviews the more the income. In the office they will have been discussing income. One of the suggestions would have been advertising. I know PU/TBP is in it's own way one big advert, but it has so far steered clear of direct advertising. That would of course have its own consequences, involving impartiality. It's also very obvious the better a review, the more money PU/TBP makes. They are in dire trouble, along with parts of the porn industry, which is why immediate short term action has been taken. Sometimes short term action can hasten the demise, but it may be a choice of sink now or sink later. One thing I considered was forgetting the hazy facade of impartiality and linking up or doing a deal with a number of the best porn sites (the ones with the best reputation), and staying strong together. Porn is too cheap. Quality material should have quality prices. Together sites could produce less porn but with a higher price and more quality. It pains me to say it, but with quality you should have to be a continual member to gain access to all the material. Make a little available each month. Be up front and honest about it. Bonus material for the longer you are a member. Bonus material for TBP/PU members who have signed up to a number of porn sites or generated income maybe. Another consideration would be when members here contribute and generate income, they receive reasonable discounts from affiliate porn sites. Drawbacks are members wanting discounts would therefore give glowing reviews. Before powers that be shake their heads, it is obvious to me that TBP reviews are quite often a little too glowing anyway, so members would only be doing what TBP reviews are doing. PU has been a great idea, but great ideas don't always generate income. In the end someone else could use the same idea and with a few tweaks make some money out of it. Something needs to be done. Panicking is fine as long as it is creative. Having said all that, my ideas are usually crap because I am not creative. My brain is a number cruncher brain with no creativity. I can make money as long as I don't have to be creative. Good lucks folks - you're going to need it. Oh and by the way - hardly a brainstorm this one, but what attracts porn fans? Naked women or men. Pretty bleeding obvious, but maybe a few naked women around the place (in the best possible taste of course) would attract the impartial surfer. Edited on May 16, 2013, 12:50pm | |
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| 05-16-13 01:23pm - 4237 days | #9 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I wasn't thinking about the business value of the PU and TBP sites when I said that most members don't put a lot of value on the raffle. Wittyguy makes some interesting points. Did the raffle increase traffic to the PU site? Or was it just a waste of resources that could be put to better use elsewhere? I personally don't belong to facebook or twitter. I guess it would be interesting to know the percentage of PU/TBP members/users who do belong to those social networking sites, or were steered by those social networking sites to become a PU/TBP user. It makes sense that hard times for porn would translate into hard times for PU/TBP. At the same time, the US is supposed to be coming out of a recession. That what I've read. And most of the PU members seem to be from the US (not ignoring Canada, or Europe, but they are in the minority). So maybe brighter times are ahead, even if it hasn't become apparent yet. Wittyguy says, I believe, that to stay relevant, you have to come up with fresh ideas. I don't really have any fresh ideas, at the momemt. But have you thought of advertising more? I guess the facebook and twitter accounts are advertising. But could you maybe get more porn sites to put a small thumbnail of PU/TBP on their preview page, with a small blurb saying something like "Passed with flying colors by the PU/TBP reviewers". That would be for sites that score 80+. In return for that type of advertising, maybe you could make some adjustment in your revenue sharing agreement. Just a thought. But even though I suspect the total number of porn members has gone down in this financial downturn, that would still put your name/sites in the consciousness of lots of paying porn users who have never heard of you. You could try to position yourself as the "Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval". | |
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| 05-16-13 02:27pm - 4237 days | #10 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Wittyguy wrote: " While PU is a cool community it has somewhat stagnated in terms of growth / participation and newness / uniqueness. This isn't just a PU/TBP problem, I think it a problem with all review sites and the internet porn world in general." I completely agree when it comes to "newness/uniqueness" in internet porn. I think the reason the Porn Industry is in trouble is not because of the financially lean times but because of the sameness of most of the material produced nowadays and the ennui of users who have seen it all a thousand times. We are craving something new, something different, or in my case a return to the "old" days (five years ago?) when getting undressed in front of the camera was still an art. I HAVE money in my pocket, I AM willing to spend it but I'm darned if I can find a site that is to my liking these days. | |
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| 05-16-13 02:43pm - 4237 days | #11 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
That is my problem. Discounts for common generic sites would not act as an incentive to contribute, as they have no appeal for me. If you would wish to continue the Raffle 'incentive' / angle, halve the prizes, or make it every two weeks...even do both.  Just a bit of lateral thinking... Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 05-16-13 03:53pm - 4237 days | #12 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I put my response over at https://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=83888 But as others have said, I too am not going anywhere. My reviews have slowed and I noticed as a whole they have as well on this site and most others. I think what makes PU work is PORN CLASS ! If there was a way to put class on Naked guys and gals, Porn Users did it and that will not change. Since 2007 | |
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| 05-16-13 06:29pm - 4237 days | #13 | |
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Dracula (0)
Active User  Posts: 183 Registered: Jan 27, '13 Location: Romania |
I agree with all the above. I'll still be here and looking for ways to contribute. This site and its members are reward enough.  A true neck-lover. | |
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| 05-16-13 07:55pm - 4237 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
The financially lean times certainly don't help though, plus how the industry (or even just certain sites, like what happened to AbbyWinters) have to play pinball with increasingly strict rules and regulations, even ones that come from so-called progressives or others who claim to "protect liberty." Add to this the ease with which everything digital can now be downloaded, copied, and then distributed, regardless of copyright protection or angry lawyer threats. Bottom line, the industry's going to have to figure out how to best keep both their customers and the politicians happy--which at this point is a tug-of-war match--while making the product worth people's hard-earned money. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-17-13 02:26am - 4237 days | #15 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
To think that people fucked and sucked so that we could get free stuff. It's amazing! I have no complaints. Really, it was incredibly generous. I can only appreciate it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-17-13 04:27am - 4237 days | #16 | |
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RustyJ (0)
Suspended Posts: 79 Registered: Aug 04, '10 |
Nice try but I'm not leaving  | |
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| 05-17-13 04:36am - 4237 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
What saddens me and in some ways frightens me as well is not that PU needs to stop the the raffle but that they need to do this for financial reasons. The raffle was nice but that was never the reason why I did reviews nor was it why I've been a member for such a long time. We can thank Tube and Torrent sites for this one. I hope the people that enjoy stealing content are happy and satisfied because the next few years aren't likely to be lean on new porn or let alone good new porn. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-17-13 06:09am - 4237 days | #18 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
As a good standing member of PU for over 2.5 years, you know I wasn't here for the raffles considering I only entered myself in them a month ago. Not much has changed in my view of PU before or after that event. I'm not going anywhere(s) either. Besides - where the hell would we go? PU is something special in the world of porn. I somewhat like stats: - 844 people signed up for $200 Tuesday - 163 people actually were awarded tickets (19%) - % of winners/signups - 10.5% - % of winners/awarded tickets - 54.6% - 60 people earned at least 100 tickets (7%) - the number of people with crappy luck +100 tickets & No Wins - 1 - the lowest number of tickets earned that won- 8 tickets Considering 64k of winnings distributed and 89 won money I'll venture out on a limb here and say that it's not the money that keeps us coming back though and it's interesting that the biggest winners (& contributors) are the ones posting in this thread. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! Edited on May 17, 2013, 06:41am | |
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| 05-17-13 06:21am - 4237 days | #19 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
There may be a little truth in this, but to blame everything on free download sites undermines the argument. This has been discussed before, and many of us think it is merely one reason. One of the others is an overload of mainstream porn. When you look at prices a few years ago it gives you an idea of how much people will pay for porn when it isn't saturating the market. Maybe Videobox started it all with low price mainstream porn. There are hundreds, come to think of it maybe thousands of porn sites and producers, just take a look at the TBP A-Z, and they're just the English speaking ones. Dodgy practices are another reason. Personally I have spent more on online porn in the past couple of years due to me checking free download forums. There is an argument free download sites generate income, and some porn producers even own free sites to generate interest. People wont pay for what they can't afford so a lot of the free downloaders aren't buying anyway. I hear there's something called a recession, which may have something to do with it. All logical reasons, but no truth is the whole truth, especially when it's just opinion. Yes Pat, in my opinion, like yours, free downloading may be a reason, but to suggest it's the only one or a big one, is just opinion, and so lopsided, it appears to undermine the argument. I hate cross selling, regional discrimination, and other dodgy practices, but I don't let those particular bees in my bonnet sway my judgement. Yes they are things that irritate us. Personally I am very thankful for free download sites as I have made several subscriptions which I wouldn't otherwise have made, and in every one of them I found some good download stuff. I try to not let things that annoy me cloud my judgement. I like free download sites but that doesn't mean they aren't partly to blame. It needs an objective rational analysis of what is happening in porn. Porn is always going to be worth a lot of money. That's just economics. Whoever works out how to make the most money out of it will survive. The rest will go to the wall. Edited on May 17, 2013, 06:37am | |
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| 05-17-13 08:47am - 4237 days | #20 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
jberryl69, how did you come up with those stats? I assume you did a Google search, but I'd like to know the search terms you used in the search. I am a tyro at Google search, am often frustrated by the results returned. But you seem to be an expert, or at least someone who can find facts/data that are buried. Would appreciate any help in learning to use Google search (or any search) better. | |
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| 05-17-13 09:37am - 4237 days | #21 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
One thing has occurred to me. As a semi or occasional regular I have been contributing less in the past couple of years. My most recent review was going to be my last for quite some while as I didn't want to put in the effort of doing it anymore. Once the raffle stops, reviews may well lessen. One upside is that may stop the newbie quick review in search of raffle tickets, so may lead to more quality. On the downside will be fewer reviews meaning less income. If I make the effort in doing just one review I wasn't going to do, and others do the same, it will help a little. It certainly wont do any harm. Any contributions once PU goes raffleless will help in the short term. | |
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| 05-17-13 02:50pm - 4236 days | #22 | |
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Marcus (0)
Active User Posts: 52 Registered: Dec 31, '11 Location: London |
Do any of the poor-quality reviewers take part in the raffle? I was accused once of only reviewing to get tickets for the raffle, but that wasn't the case - it was just that I was new and my reviews were crap  I've never taken part in the raffle, so I won't miss it. I hope TBP and PU can continue in spite of the fact they need to save money. | |
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| 05-17-13 03:40pm - 4236 days | #23 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
My positive rating came with this comment "Reviews have improved enormously, and are now very good indeed. Come on whoever registered that "no," do the decent thing and change it to "yes," My comment may have had nothing to do with it but you lost that one "no" vote. That brings me to another point. Some members make newbies feel welcome but occasionally some jump on them too quickly for limited reviews. No long time forum receives many new members, but at least new ones here are mainly welcomed by old hands. We could do with some more input from old original members, some of whom have almost disappeared - Wittyguy, Drooler, Toadsith, Exotics4me and there's less of Denner nowadays, although he does at least put in some appearances. Suggestions would be visits from the TBP team plus more of Rick and Khan. Messmer, Pat, Turbo, Capn and Ik do the most, which is far too few members, but compared to most long lasting forums, I suppose this is a very healthy one. I have suggested in the past a different section for experienced reviewers and newer reviewers who don't quite put in the detail. Maybe that's a useless idea, but it will take time and money for an overhaul which Rick may not want to do. PU/TBP may not survive without some new ideas, and we may be reading too much into the end of the raffle, but saving $200 a week isn't going to pay many bills. Looking at what they say "We're making cuts to a number of areas of our operation but the one that will be the most noticeable to our users is that we can no longer hold the weekly raffle." Obviously the raffle is just one of the measures, but it doesn't look good for poor old TBP/PU. Edited on May 17, 2013, 05:46pm | |
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| 05-17-13 04:09pm - 4236 days | #24 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
All of this information came off of this site. Do see the $200 Tuesday banner at the top of this page. Click on it. This will bring you to a page titled, Recent Winners. Under the list of this weeks winners you find a link - View All: Past Winners. This will take you to .... ta da...The Ticket Logs. The information headings in this log are: Ticket # Nick - Points Action Ticket Date Ticket Logs (for each person) Prize Drawing Bold highlights are sortable columns. Filtering Options at the top of the page has Display Format with a drop down menu with three choices which further refines your search. With that information and a calculator I came up with my stats. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-17-13 04:51pm - 4236 days | #25 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
jberryl69, thanks for the explanation. I assumed you did a Google search, but sometimes it turns out things are even simpler. | |
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| 05-18-13 06:47am - 4236 days | #26 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 585 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Have to say I was saddened by the new of the raffle being closed, it certainly will be missed her as I loved when my number came up with not having too much money myself.  I'll still come back here when I can and see whats new though and catch up. does seem as though Porn is taking some serious battering and might be no more in a couple more years, so sad to hear. But I guess all good things must come to an end sometime. We'll see how it pans out over the next few years in America, lots of the eastern Europeans though seem to be diluted their outputs. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 05-18-13 08:27am - 4236 days | #27 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Nice information JB. I would say there are about 24-30 regulars to the forum and of these you expect a review every month or so from them. Newbies do allot of hit and runs some with great reviews never to return. I do not have stats and I think I do a review about once a month I will be doing a few over the next two weeks. That I have been lazy about doing. I have 5 sites that I need to do but works been so busy. Again great info JB Since 2007 | |
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| 05-18-13 09:01pm - 4235 days | #28 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
The raffles been very cool - I haven't won for a while, mainly because my review-writing activity hasn't been very high for quite a while, but I won a substantial amount of money and always appreciated it. As others have said, it's not going to stop me from participating on this site as much as I have been. It's just another sign of the times of the financial state of the porn industry. I work in publishing - another financially troubled industry - so I can relate. | |
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| 05-18-13 11:45pm - 4235 days | #29 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I'll still be around, not that I participate much, I seem to just cycle through the same few sites lately and posting a new review never seems worthwhile unless there have been major changes (and I seem to be a thread killer in the forum). Sorry to hear PU has fallen on tough times, hope you guys will be around for years to come! I doubt porn is going anywhere, but I could see how some of the smaller/older sites could start shutting down, which I guess might not be such a bad thing, I still wonder why some sites still exist - I'm looking at you Lightspeed. I just hope it wont all consolidate to some aweful BangBros style gonzo-fest. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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