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| 09-07-09 04:26am - 5547 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
A possible way to reduce the spam posts here I'm curious if any thought has been given to not allowing people to start threads in the forum until they've been "trusted by the five". That would stop people from stumbling onto the site, signing up, and posting whatever they feel like posting. That would be less cleaning up for the mods and a cleaner site all around for all of us. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-07-09 05:10am - 5547 days | #2 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
That's a good idea. It's consistent with the other PU policies. It's not without its drawbacks, too, as it would increase the dearth of newbies on the forum, at least initially (see Wittyguy's "Where the hell is everyone?"). But you got to do what you gotta do. There's been too much spam and shilling of late. My vote is a "Yea." I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-07-09 06:31am - 5547 days | #3 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I wasn't thinking of keeping newbies out altogether - just stop their ability to start threads. I like new voices - as long as they aren't spewing garbage : - ) Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-07-09 07:13am - 5547 days | #4 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
Good idea there about them not being allowed to start threads. | |
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| 09-07-09 07:14am - 5547 days | #5 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I also vote yes. We don't need spam and this should work. | |
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| 09-07-09 07:31am - 5547 days | #6 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
Somebody did make a spam post as a reply in a thread this morning, but it's not as bad as when they start 2 or 3 new threads and bump topics off the home page. | |
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| 09-07-09 09:48am - 5547 days | #7 | |
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Advent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 103 Registered: Aug 13, '09 Location: Tampa, FL |
As you all know I am new here and I make sure I follow the rules about posting spam. If I have something new about a site I post it on the site news. If I am in doubt about something I email admin before I post anything. I can understand your point about spam, believe me I do, but I also think that those of us that follow the rules are being punished for those that do not. With that being said I will of course follow any rule you put out there and try to earn my trust points. I really like talking to you guys and being apart of your community. I really appreciate how you have welcomed me in with open arms. Owner Kick Ass Pictures CumEatingCuckolds, FootFetishDaily and Kick Ass Pictures Please feel free to contact me with concerns or comments, I would love to hear from you. | |
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| 09-07-09 10:01am - 5547 days | #8 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Advent - I almost get the feeling you thought I started this thread with you in mind. It wasn't you. Most of the site reps on here, like you, have been a welcome addition. It was a user who signed up to post some Rapidshare links. They were just the latest in along string of junk posts like that, so my three remaining brain cells got together and thought of a possible solution to the problem. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-07-09 10:37am - 5547 days | #9 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
Good idea but I would suggest the following... "trusted by the five" sounds good until one of them goes on a round the world cruise for 80 days. It might be a better alternative for the PU guys to promote some of you guys to "moderator" with certain powers. Just my 2 cents www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 09-07-09 12:23pm - 5547 days | #10 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
By "trusted by the five", I meant a user gets his five thumbs ups and becomes a trusted user. By then, they realize what this forum is for and what is not for. And I definitely see having moderators as the start of chaos. No forum that I know of is a democracy anyway, so why have more regulators? I think one of the reasons this forum has remained so civil is because we're all equal peons, subject to Khan and Crew. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-07-09 01:11pm - 5547 days | #11 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
Ah... wasn't quite sure how the "trusted by the 5" would work. Makes sense now. www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 09-07-09 01:52pm - 5547 days | #12 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Yes, I suppose that might have come over as somewhat mystic & arcane. LOL! Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-07-09 02:24pm - 5547 days | #13 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Right you are, RB. I should've been clearer on that point. It was my own "GIGO" bad. Of course newbies should be allowed to post. But now that I think about it, wouldn't spammers just post in threads without creating new ones themselves? There's the rub! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-07-09 02:29pm - 5547 days | #14 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I am afraid it is going to come down to diligent moderation. Even if that is by the site owners. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-07-09 02:30pm - 5547 days | #15 | |
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BabyGetReal (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Jul 26, '09 Location: Western Massachusetts USA |
Yes, I'm really tired of the fact that 2/3 or 3/4 of the "new thread started" emails I get are for spam. Usually it is already deleted by the PU staff (?) by the time I take a look, but it sure clutters my inbox. I hate to turn off the email completely because now and then a new thread is started that I am happy to know about. I was about to suggest that some mechanism be put in place to get rid of spam "new threads" before an announcement is mailed out about them. So I wholeheartedly agree -- I'm in favor of having a requirement that moderators approve new forum threads before they go public. I haven't seen so much spam in other areas of PU, but I"m in favor of moderation everywhere that spam is a problem. I leave it to the PU staff to decide who the moderators will be. Thanks! | |
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| 09-07-09 02:41pm - 5547 days | #16 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
That's why I said reduce, not eliminate : - ) Any rule, or safeguard will have a way around it. But, even if they're bent on spamming and post in existing threads, it wouldn't be knocking good threads off the page. The more I think about this, the more I think I should've sent this to the powers that be before bringing to the forum. I notice we haven't had any official comment on any of this. I was just wondering if they'd ever kicked around any ways to knock off some of the spamming. But it is nice to see I'm not the only thinking the spam is an annoyance. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-07-09 03:16pm - 5547 days | #17 | |
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Advent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 103 Registered: Aug 13, '09 Location: Tampa, FL |
I did not think you were talking about me personally because I have seen the threads you are referring to, I just wanted to say that while I see some spam from certain people to stop all newbies from starting threads might be a little discouraging. After reading all of the replies to the thread I see that making sure they are a trusted user would be the safest way to go. I think that would make the newbies post more within threads already started and allow them to get a feel for the board. I have to admit though sometimes it would be nice to just pick you guys brains really quick like I did with the gagging post. I have been ask to think about taking over the customer relations dept at ATK so it would be nice to get input from you guys from time to time. I have not decided to do it yet but thinking about it. Owner Kick Ass Pictures CumEatingCuckolds, FootFetishDaily and Kick Ass Pictures Please feel free to contact me with concerns or comments, I would love to hear from you. | |
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| 09-07-09 03:55pm - 5547 days | #18 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Other webmasters/mistresses have asked questions here as to how we feel about content. I think most, if not all of us, find this interesting and useful. I think you will get feedback here. Go for it! | |
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| 09-07-09 04:01pm - 5547 days | #19 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
If I have got the ambience of this forum sussed right..the intention is that both users & webmasters should benefit from forum exchanges. I have only just got here myself, but I am finding it a very friendly, interesting, informative & entertaining place. Yep...I like it here. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-07-09 06:10pm - 5547 days | #20 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended  Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Hi RB, Good idea you have. The main issue I find is the e-mail notifications that cause clutter, like someone mentioned. We usually pull the spam threads down in time for it to be annoying, but having a safeguard would make things a lot easier. 5 trust votes would definitely guarantee the job gets done, but I'm thinking it's too much. Maybe require newbies (5 pts or less) something a little easier like a completely filled out "profile" and vote to at least 20 polls or something. Getting trust votes can take a lot of time. It's a lot to ask for new users, plus they may not know how to even get trust votes. This is a great topic for conversation. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 09-07-09 06:21pm - 5547 days | #21 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I like the idea, but five trust votes does seem to be asking a little much, especially the way we have trouble giving and receiving trust votes. I include myself in this, as it took me a while to start giving people positive trust votes, and I have frequently read (and wrote!) something along the lines of "Sorry about the late vote..." So maybe something else perhaps, plus a couple of trust votes? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 09-07-09 07:30pm - 5547 days | #22 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I wish you would consider taking that position, Advent. My experiences with the customer relations department of ATK Galleria were not positive, to put it mildly. They (and that included ATK Natural and Hairy) also didn't seem to be too responsive to well-meant suggestions. One example, every time I went to the ATK Lounge the word "Amatures" on the cover would stare me annoyingly in the face (okay, so I'm anal), even though all the sites are supposed to be about "Amateurs" and I kept quietly stating on various occasions that it might slightly undermine the credibility and class of ATK if they couldn't even spell Amateur right. Yet month after month there was no change and no one ever wrote back saying, yes, you're right we don't like to embarrass ourselves, thank you for bringing this to our attention, and we have changed the word in the meantime. Last time I looked it was still Amature! :-) | |
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| 09-07-09 08:54pm - 5547 days | #23 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Something would be nice, I will admit that. A method I might consider is 5 "approved" posting before a new thread can be posted. This meaning that if the user has 5 posts that are up long enough to be seen by the staff and shown to be legit than the user is okay for new threads. Another option is to allow a new user to post a new thread right out the gate, current method, but not have the thread "go live" until it is approved. This would allow the staff the screen out spam before it gets to us. Any method used need to be something that will not deter new members from beginning to contribute. I do not like the trust vote idea because it is easy for someone to not get votes because the rest of us forget about it. There is nothing truly wrong with the current method. The spam gets taken down pretty quick. Once it is down all the current threads show up on the home page. On the other hand, if there is a fair way to kill spam with sparing the new users it would be well worth looking into. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-07-09 09:03pm - 5547 days | #24 | |
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Advent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 103 Registered: Aug 13, '09 Location: Tampa, FL |
Thank you for the heads up about amateurs being wrong. I just went to the lounge and I do not see what you are seeing. Please tell me exactly where it is and I will have it fixed ASAP. I hope to hear from you soon. Owner Kick Ass Pictures CumEatingCuckolds, FootFetishDaily and Kick Ass Pictures Please feel free to contact me with concerns or comments, I would love to hear from you. | |
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| 09-08-09 01:54am - 5546 days | #25 | |
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picdude (0)
Active User Posts: 107 Registered: Dec 26, '08 Location: Italy |
I've barely got 5 trust ratings myself, as a newbie I think it's a little elitist, it would stop a lot of newbies posting threads not just spammers. I think a cool off period of say 48 hours and a min of 5 posts would be sufficient in keeping a lot out and although there would still be some I think better to just perhaps get another mod to clean up than make the forum harder to use. | |
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| 09-08-09 04:46am - 5546 days | #26 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Okay, I'll concede that the 5 trust votes is a steep price of open admission to the forum - but at least the situation is being looked at and maybe something can be done to minimize the problem. I like the idea of having newbie posts approved by the staff before they're put online. That allows responsible new members a voice and keeps out the junk posts. At first, I thought that would require more work for mods, but it can't be any worse than having to go through and delete the spam, can it? Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-08-09 09:04am - 5546 days | #27 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
No need to fix anything, Advent. I went back to the Lounge last night as a visitor to see if "Amatures" still raised its ugly head but found that the format had changed completely since last I subscribed to an ATK site. At one time the entrance to "The Lounge" almost looked like a magazine cover and the misspelled word really loomed large. But take the job anyway, you look like a very involved person in anything you do and that's exactly what we need .. the feeling that someone at the other end listens and responds in a nice way. | |
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| 09-08-09 12:47pm - 5546 days | #28 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 11:31am | |
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| 09-08-09 02:36pm - 5546 days | #29 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Here's what Khan and I came up with as a good and simple solution: -Newly created users (as of the day it goes live) can create a thread as normal and will be approved by staff (within a few hrs on avg) before it goes live. -If the thread is blatant spam, the user will be warned or suspended, and the thread will never go live. -If the thread is legit, we will approve it (it'll go live, e-mail notifications sent) and the user will be given normal forum privileges from that pt forward. -Users that were registered prior to the new system going live will never have to worry about getting a thread approved. They are assumed to be legit since spammers normally hit and run. -All webmasters are required to have their first thread approved, regardless of when they registered. There's a higher chance webmasters are posting a promotion of some kind, although usually not meaning to abuse the forum. Let me know what you guys think. Appreciate all the input. Rick The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder Edited on Sep 08, 2009, 03:00pm | |
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| 09-08-09 02:50pm - 5546 days | #30 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I think this is a very well thought-out solution. It's as fair as can be without crimping down unduly on anyone. Hats off to Rick and Khan, our big, beneficent brothers! And of course to Raging Buddhist for getting the whole thing going and helping us sort the in's and out's. Three full-throated, primal-screamish "Nam Yo Ho Renge Kyos!" Now we look forward to a better forum! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-08-09 03:07pm - 5546 days | #31 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 11:32am | |
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| 09-08-09 03:40pm - 5546 days | #32 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, now. That explains your avatar for sure! (Were they not polite, you'd be writhing on the floor instead.) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-08-09 04:18pm - 5546 days | #33 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
An absolutely wonderful solution! Thank you, and thanks to all for the brainstorming on this. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-08-09 08:08pm - 5546 days | #34 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
"Aymay anacondasway olitelypay inhabitway ouryay oxersbay." = "mAy anacondas politely inhabit your boxers" for those of us lazy people who do not wanna go through the trouble of looking. I think that will do the trick nicely Rick. The turn around time us usually pretty quick on things here, especially during the day and evening. So I do not think this will fend anyone off that has something legit to say. Lets hope the idea of creating a real thread before spamming the crap out of us seems like too much work for the evil spammers. Way to go RB, look at all the trouble you have caused! :) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-10-09 05:16am - 5544 days | #35 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
There seems to be a little confusion with at least one user thinking this change is already in effect. Hey, we're good but can't quite pull these off with a snap of the fingers. :) It'll take a little bit to get the change(s) Rick describes (above) programed and into effect. We'll let you know when the changes are made. In the meantime, we appreciate your patience with the occasional spam until we get it pulled. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-10-09 06:18am - 5544 days | #36 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
That sounds like a good solution to me. | |
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| 09-10-09 06:28am - 5544 days | #37 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I certainly never expected it to happen overnight - I'm just glad you took the suggestions and put something in the works. Thanks again! Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-10-09 06:52am - 5544 days | #38 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
W-W-Well I didn't do that. I just said that we could look forward to it. Changing code and testing it takes time and patience on the part of all concerned. Sure, if were a "starfish," I'd be a drooling one, but ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-10-09 09:19am - 5544 days | #39 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Mix, stir, shake!! Repeat. :) The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 09-10-09 01:21pm - 5544 days | #40 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yeah, during and after work! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-10-09 07:17pm - 5544 days | #41 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
The PU forum watch dogs (meant in a good way) are absolutely awesome. I just watched a whole string of spam posts disappear in front of my very eyes. One minute they were there, next minute they were gone. The posts spamming someone's blog couldn't have been in this forum for longer than five minutes. Wow. Well done! | |
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| 09-10-09 09:21pm - 5543 days | #42 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I think I might have been the one who got Khan going about the staff not magically implementing everything in a matter of minutes. There was a spam post and I gave a retarded message in the spam report. So yup, that "one user" should read "stupid badandy400". Of course this will take a little time to get going, and even a little more since they might still be working out any issues with the new TBP revamping. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk, I was just being dumb! :) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-11-09 05:14am - 5543 days | #43 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
badandy, you kinda did me a favor by pointing out that we didn't give a time-frame. Technically I could have said "at least two users" because you weren't the only one. I was thinking if several of our regulars could be confused on this one, there's a good chance others are too. So, don't feel like you did anything wrong. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-11-09 08:51am - 5543 days | #44 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
A time frame never crossed my mind. I just figured I'd check in one day to see a nice announcement. : - ) Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 09-21-09 06:43am - 5533 days | #45 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Just a quick heads up ... We got this change made last Friday afternoon. That's the change described by Rick in Post #29 (above). While it obviously won't stop spam altogether, if this weekend is any indication, it should greatly reduce the number of drive-by spams that show up on the forum. Thanks to all for the suggestion and ongoing support. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson Edited on Sep 21, 2009, 06:47am (Khan: added link to Rick's post) | |
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| 09-21-09 11:08am - 5533 days | #46 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Good job guys. I am sure the changes will have a good impact on the forum. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-21-09 05:11pm - 5533 days | #47 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Thank you very much Mooch Us Grassy Ass Murr Sea Bow Koo Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. Edited on Sep 21, 2009, 05:15pm | |
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