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| 04-12-10 08:45pm - 5368 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Too harsh on the newbies? We have asked many times why this great place is not growing faster than it is. There may be a simple answer, we are chasing new members away. I am posting this mostly in regards to the recent 350z who wrote a single review before disabling his account. He review was for miss hybrid and was actually a pretty good review. I honestly wish that more first time reviewers could put as much thought into their reviews. It was well rounded and explained all the major points so that a user could form their own opinion of the site. He was then hazed by two users who in effect called him a spam. One even said he would be interested to see if someone such as 350z would go on to write another review. Well obviously he will not be and I can not say i blame him. He caught a lot of flack for no apparent reason. This was a prime example of how a new member comes along and gets chased away after trying to contribute. Fortunately I can say that the PU Elite are off the hook, at least for this case. The two who took it upon themselves to rid us of this new user that should good potential were actually newbies themselves. One having 6 points and the other 0 for reviews. I know that we do get shill reviews here and that is something that we can be on the watch for. The fact that these sort of reviews get removed and questioned helps keep this place useful and alive. People still need a chance to speak their mind and answer questions about it. If PU is to grow into the online porn communities it has the potential to be we must not get so defensive every time a new face is seen in town. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-12-10 09:07pm - 5368 days | #2 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Even if you thought they were wrong, the bitch slapping you left the two new people who commented on 350z's review of MH's site doesn't exactly put out a welcome mat. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-12-10 11:31pm - 5368 days | #3 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Interesting, 'bitch slapping' 'newbies' because they bashed a 'newbie' review. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 04-13-10 01:27am - 5367 days | #4 | |
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yadayada321 (0)
Active User Posts: 19 Registered: Jan 29, '10 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
I'm a newbie and I feel right at home with the rest of you sickos. | |
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| 04-13-10 02:25am - 5367 days | #5 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Frankly, I'm incredulous at the charge that the longer-term members are being harsh on the newbies, based on what you've said. First, 350z was but one user. Let's not overgeneralize. Two, 350z was but one user who got into a fracas with exotics4me. If you read their exchange, you'll notice that it got pretty nasty, and 350z got to the point of saying some very hard things that amounted to accusing exotics of being a big phony. Mind you, I'm not going to say that one was right and one was wrong, and I'm not going to run to the defense of either of them. They both chose to get uncivil about it. Just the same, 350z was getting support from other members on the same thread, especially before he turned nasty, by turns, with one particular member. Finally, 350z made his own choice to leave. Some people do, and some people don't. And some get pissed off, disable, but later come back. There's more than one way to express oneself when under attack. It can be, "You MADE me quit!" or it can be, "You're not getting rid of me no matter what you do!" I don't think exotics is all that scary.  I wouldn't say that he made 350z quit PU.There's a timeline on which people join. Some people establish a reputation, sure. But I don't regard "newbies" as anything other than those who have come at a different time than others. They should be welcomed, of course, but they're not babes in the PU Forest. They're like the rest of us lot; some are friendlier and more mature than others. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-13-10 05:29am - 5367 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Andy I understand your concern. I am one of those members. I have only ever given three negatives. They were all to the same bunch of people. 350z was one of them. I gave the negative with the comment that I trust them about as much as I trust an Enron executive. That's how I felt and still do. They moved in like a professional military operation (okay a little exagerration but it gets the point across). The review in question had a lot of description and no real negatives, apart from the "I can't get enough of this" sort of negative. It came in the wake of glowing reviews from other newbies and at the same time the webmaster turning up. They all moved in what looked like a carefully coordinated attack. I will stand up for Exotics because he made some very incisive observations and got attacked on a personal level for that. I thought he kept his cool considering the flaming personal attacks he was subjected to. I argued with him at length over fake breasts but it remained civilised. We may have disagreed that one time, but he doesn't get personal unless you get personal with him. Andy, I don't mind your comments. I understand your worries too. I would far prefer the few liners that some newbies dish out, to the shill/friend sort of reviews I saw from those members. Newbies can improve, because they are giving genuine reviews. These people only seemed to want to operate on this site, from within the framework of one particular site they were promoting. Everything seemed to revolve around promoting that one site. At least that's how I saw it. I consider my first three negatives were well deserved. I certainly would not want to chase away newbies and when I'm around will give them as much support as I can. I hope that alleviates your worries a little. I will try to be as friendly as possible. No I didn't trust them because they came to this site for one reason, and that was to promote one site. Looking at all the contributions they made it was obvious what they were doing. Andy, I certainly think if you want to say something though you should say it, and clearly you do. I have no problems with that at all. Even if you hadn't made the contributions you have, you still should say it. The same goes for anyone else. Edited on Apr 13, 2010, 05:40am | |
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| 04-13-10 07:31am - 5367 days | #7 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
About this latest palaver/drama ect. I really dig The Squirrel remark/line: "They moved in like a professional military operation"  But, amigos - it's gone - and - soon forgotten - and in the future we're more prepared. NEWBIES - is it here. I think we all - and I do not like the phrase elitists - I choose regulars or veterans - have always been friendly and social towards so called newbies (we've all been newbies, once) . But like the Drooler states; we're a lot of different folks here with different attitudes - but the main thing: As far as I remember there has always been a 90 % friendly conversation at PU - hope it stays that way. WHEN one or two so called newbies get more serious remarks, it's normally because of reviews that to some of the "regulars/veterans" seems a little bit too much on "the easy side". I think most here can agree, that we've seen reviews that are either not well founded or are given way to high scores compared to the value in general. BUT we do not blame newbies for being breath taken by a site - only if it seems too far out or just not realistic - so we got the TRUST thing. AND: No, we're not chasing away newbies, but there's no harm in placing a reply to maybe a bit strange newbie reviews - replies that are both friendly and guiding. That's a logical deal at any place where there are veterans and "rookies", so to speak...  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Apr 13, 2010, 07:53am | |
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| 04-13-10 08:20am - 5367 days | #8 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Drooler, I had not noticed 350z's encounter with Exotics. At times I think we can be a little harsh on new users, but usually it is in a friendly manor. So in this case, not regular user did anything wrong. Where was this encounter he had with Exotics? Perhaps there was more to this story than I thought.... Yes 350z was one user, but it has happened before. It is something that does not happen frequently fortunately, but none the less it has happened. "Elite" is not a good word, I forgot that it is associated with the "I am better than you" attitude in some users eyes. Nothing ill meant by that usage. I only mean users that have seen their share of good and bad reviews. Since I trust you guys that have responded thus far I will retract my defense of 350z, but his review was still good and that is what I noticed. When I seen his review all I seen was a one sided attack. As for the "Bitch Slaps", they stay because they ruined a good review. But, based on your input, I reserve the right to give one to 350z for his other actions! Anyone who pisses of Exotics needs a few sessions on his couch. yadayada321, glad to hear it. No slapping coming your way. Squirrel I agree to an extent. There was a lot of shill reviews coming in and I know how much that sucks. I know it can make it hard to even look at a review from a new member. We just need to try to give them the benefit of the doubt. We were all new at one point. One thing worth mention is that this is a topic that I am a little more anal about. I happened to be one of those users that caught a lot of flack when I first joined. My 100 review of Videobox turned some heads and resulted in a difference of preferences battle. So bare with me if I seem to be coming on a little strong. See, now I am having flashbacks!  "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~PU Interview | |
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| 04-13-10 09:14am - 5367 days | #9 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
So I found that thread with 350z in it. Yup he gets a bitch slap too, along with larss. I have been working 12 hour days so it is hard to keep up now, so I apologize for any defense of 350z himself. I still believe his review was good, but his actions were uncalled for. He even called Exotics a "downloading robot", I always thought that was my title? That is what I get for trying to tune in for only the second half of the soap opera. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-13-10 09:32am - 5367 days | #10 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Though this whole deal with the palaver/drama/miss-hybrid- something ect. is almost history - one thing is still on my mind: We regulars/veterans or whatever did the main defend of a decent PU. And RB and exotics were some damn fine contributors - no nonsense. Serge S. Storms rules: "I follow nobody"  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Apr 13, 2010, 09:36am | |
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| 04-13-10 09:34am - 5367 days | #11 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Hi Andy, It is always good to hear from you. I also supported the newbies in a way. I gave out trust votes for well written reviews and tried some verbal encouragement. However, when I saw Exotics being attacked personally, I just had to react. I asked, demanded, that 350Z apologize. He did not. He attacked again and then disabled his account. I felt that I tried and that a few others did as well, but these newbies brought the consequences on themselves. | |
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| 04-13-10 09:42am - 5367 days | #12 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I certainly wish I had seen this other side before defending 350z on another topic. I myself have found myself siding with Exotics when someone came along and attacked him and other high point members simply for being high point members. I know exactly where you are coming from. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-13-10 11:37am - 5367 days | #13 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
That's the spirit!  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 04-13-10 11:42am - 5367 days | #14 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
The "PU independence/integrity" thread is what I was referring to (350z vs. exotics). BTW, I remember when Roseman used to very blatantly talk up his points in comparison to mine and was very "elitist" about it, which I thought was a great combination of hilarious and pathetic. You probably don't remember that because it was off in a PU corner somewhere. But most of us aren't going to strut like roosters just because we're experienced at being crazy about porn. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-13-10 12:31pm - 5367 days | #15 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Yes, that is the thread I find after it being mentioned. Obviously Exotics won the bout. I have never actually seen I user use their point standing to try to belittle another. So I do not think of it much and do not associate the word elite with that sort of meaning. So what....we are not going to start measuring our cocks? It is a good thing I think this little guy  might give me a run for my money. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~PU Interview | |
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| 04-13-10 04:30pm - 5367 days | #16 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Well, maybe next time you'll be more careful about jumping the gun. After all, one needs to know what it's loaded with. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-13-10 06:08pm - 5367 days | #17 | |
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adultporn (0)
Suspended Posts: 3 Registered: Mar 26, '10 Location: Japan |
I did review a handful of adult website under a different username, but I decided to not participate anymore which is why I have 0 under a different username. I was only quoting what a 90 means according to pornuser in my review. I was not being mean. | |
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| 04-13-10 07:05pm - 5367 days | #18 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Adultporn, I hear you. Drooler, usually I check into people before getting defensive of them. Unfortunately since he disabled his name I was not able to see his profile so I assumed he only wrote that review and left. I did not think to search his name in the forum, which of course is where he  up a bunch of  on our friend Exotics. That whole unfortunate string of event happened while I was on a work induced PU vacation and I did not dig deep enough into the forum threads to find this.I humbly apologize to any upstanding user I may have offended. Also, Adultporn, exactly what the scores mean has been a previous issue of debate. If someday you are board out of your mind dig back and read about that. It seems if you ask 10 people about scoring you will get 13 different answers. This is why I tend not to pay much mind to scores and focus more on the review itself. But I will leave it at that. Starting to topic wonder here. Back to Drooler. I do not think I jumped the gun on the overall topic of the new users. I do believe that at times they are mistrusted because they are new and we may fear they are yet another scam. I can no longer say that I would defend 350z specifically, but my thoughts on new members worth it. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-13-10 08:32pm - 5367 days | #19 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I think that definitely the users that have been around a while can be a bit harsh on the newbies. A lot of it falls under interpretation of comments, responses, etc. I think perhaps it would be good to just post recommendations to new users (in a nice way) for making reviews better rather than jumping to conclusions that they are promoting some site. Early on when I was a "newbie" here I sort of got the opinion that people were being pretty defensive and aggresive in their opinions on some sites. I think it is important to realize that reviews are always subjective - I was really dissappointed with Twisty's for example, but I'm sure a lot of you guys love it - a review is just an opinion, not fact. I don't really think that reviews should be from the perspective of "any pornuser", but instead should be from your perspective. When you find users with similar tastes to your own, it can be helpful in discovering new sites. This is a great place, but sometimes giving people the benefit of the doubt wouldn't be a terrible thing. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 04-14-10 01:01pm - 5366 days | #20 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
An incisive post there, Slutty. I agree with most of the sentiments there. That said, there is always a 'rites-of-passage.', especially early on, where noobs have to find out what is deemed acceptable & what is not. A review always has to be based from the perspective of the author. How could it not be? A list of facts would only be a part of a review. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-15-10 07:30am - 5365 days | #21 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Been meaning to post to this thread, but figured it would go into too long of a post. Seeing that I haven't done one of those in awhile, I guess it won't be too unwelcome. On new reviewers/members: I honestly take a different approach than a lot of our veteran members do. When I see a new 99 or 100 review with this in the bottom line, "These girls are SO hot!!!" I don't believe it's a shill. I believe it's someone who is genuinely excited about a site, possibly the first site they ever joined and had no idea what they had been missing with paysites instead of free porn on google image search or a site like freeones. The way I've tried to help those type of members is by asking them specific questions like pic resolution AND here's the important part, they're appreciative and usually edit their reviews to answer those questions. New members who take up the character limit on their first review are the ones that cause me to be a little suspicious. Anyone planted by a site, affiliated with a site or coached by a webmaster isn't going to post just a one line first review. They're going to point out as many great things as possible and their cons are going to not really be major cons. On Miss Hybrid and the three reviewers: If anyone had missed this, I had not posted on any of the Miss Hybrid threads or in any of the discussions about her reasoning for being here. My first post about any of it was the 3rd reply in Denner's thread and I only mentioned Lars and BestBoy. I had not even read 350Z's review. That's why it caught me off-guard when he jumped in first of the MH supporters. Once I read his review, I would have added him in the original post if I had read it before posting that post. The line about he hoped it was enough details "for you pornusers", whether meant negatively or not, shows he at least knew there had been questions about the previous reviews and his answer to Mbaya's reply defended webmasters who use DL limits. That's not very typical of a non-biased member. You can also see how their scores descended, but stayed high as to lower suspicion. I've been on the internet too long (1995 I think) to fall into a flame war. Occasional jab or ribbing maybe, but the whole personal thing isn't my style. I guess 350Z was also at a disadvantage since the flames he used were ones I've heard a hundred times over. I'll never understand why someone would believe someone would use psychologist as some kind of glamorous job. One of my reasons for not being as active lately was me pulling away from the field and going into a new career because of #1 the stress and #2 what I considered low pay. My wife made more in both 2008 and 2009 than I did and she works from home as a financial consultant. So much for the glamorous psychologist label! Oh and as I was telling one of the webmasters, I've moved to the east coast permanently. I had some business interests out here that I wanted to focus on and push forward with. Flying out here once or twice a month just wasn't getting the job done. That's important because I did open accounts on all the social networking sites to stay in contact with old friends, new employees I've hired out here and to try and present something of a more technological side of myself, trying being the key word. Which is how I could decipher the twitterness of those mentioned above. Trust me when I tell you all that those sites aren't all their made up to be. Though I do get a lot of pretty hot young women hitting on me! Of course my wife got herself an account too on each one and I have to put her first, or as the teens says, tops on my friends list. Last, I could have sworn I saw Vegas Ken on myspace? My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-15-10 08:00am - 5365 days | #22 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
I'll agree on most here from exotics - just one item: I honestly do not think that the majority of regulars/veterans have any serious grudge against those newbies 99-100 reviews. Most experienced PUs know the excitement - and remember it from their own start at pornsites: That old WAUW-feeling! And we can all live with that - the deal here is still those non-detailed reviews with one or two lines where you just get two main inputs: This is great or this is shit - and no detailed explanation - what is the use of that? I'd guess that most on these so called reviews are NOT in harms way done by people close to siteowners/webmasters... But again: That kind of reviews are not much use for anybody here doing porn search... Khan made a good point here: https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...65&showPost=8#_8
"I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Apr 15, 2010, 08:08am Edited by Staff on Apr 15, 2010, 09:27am (Khan: changed link to point directly to post quoted - changed format of quoted block)
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| 04-15-10 03:28pm - 5365 days | #23 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I guess I was lucky to have come here when there weren't as many people to critique my reviews. When I look back at my first reviews, I can easily understand the excitement factor in doing a review. Of the first two, one got denied for lack of details and the next one I gave a score that, today, I would call way too high. But - along with the high score, the pros, cons and bottom line didn't look anything like someone shilling for a site. To me, it's all in the wording. When the whole review, including the cons, reads like an advertisement, that's when I suspect the motives of the reviewer. Especially when there are only one or two cons and one of 'em says something like, "Can't get enough of this site". Yes, in the past I've put up comments calling the reviewer out and labelling them as a shill. From the recent melee here, I'm making it a point not to use that word anymore. If I say anything at all about a poor review, it'll simply be a request for more details. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-15-10 04:25pm - 5365 days | #24 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I agree completely with Slutty, particularly on the point of reviews being opinions. Exotics, as is expected, makes good points as well. Being excited about a site and wanting to say good thing about it is usually what comes first, then thee review site. I do not figure a whole lot of people found a review site then sought out sites to review. An average site would not make me want to go out and write about it, but a truly great site or terrible site might just do that. This is why we get 100s and 50s for first reviews a lot. I really do not feel that users here are intentionally mean to a new user, but at times it can come across that way and that is what we all need to be aware of. Exotics, I wish you the best in your new endeavors! "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~PU Interview | |
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| 04-16-10 02:17pm - 5364 days | #25 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I think a weekly bitch slap for all member even if they do not review would be good. I mean it would keep the arrogance down now wouldn't it LOL   Since 2007 | |
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