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| 03-27-12 09:11am - 4653 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Should a male-to-female post-op transgendered person be allowed to enter a beauty contest? I'm not asking this as a hypothetical question because this debate is going on in Canada. The "Miss Universe Canada" pageant has kicked out a Vancouver woman named Jenna Talackova who started hormone therapy at 14 and had surgery at 19. She's now 23. The smart-ass in me says she should be excluded from the pageant and sent to my place.  The non-smart-ass in me says that she should be allowed to compete. She says she knew from an early age that she was a girl, and at 19 her physical traits caught up to her true gender. I say let her in. One commenter on the CBC website speculated that the pageant organizers want to get rid of her because the audience of knuckle-dragging males would get confused. Google her name only if you're comfortable with your reactions to these kinds of stories because she is stunningly beautiful. Here's a link to the CBC story that has a few pics: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...r-miss-universe.html | |
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| 03-27-12 09:16am - 4653 days | #2 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
She is indeed, & if that is what she wants to do, let her. It is only a tragedy of nature that allocated her the wrong gender. It shouldn't curse the rest of her life. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 03-27-12 09:56am - 4653 days | #3 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I would let her in, trouble is in the Miss Universe constitution it states clearly that only NATURAL born women need apply! An interesting side light. Some who commented on the subject felt it would give her an unfair advantage because of her "perfect" enhanced breasts and she should not be allowed to participate for that reason as well. | |
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| 03-27-12 09:59am - 4653 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
The fact that she started as a boy should have no bearing since she now has the piping for a girl but if the rules are that she must be born a natural female then those are the rules. If they choose to change the rule then she can always apply again in the future. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-27-12 10:46am - 4653 days | #5 | |
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t9chome (0)
Active User Posts: 78 Registered: Oct 30, '10 Location: usa |
The contest is privately owned by The Donald. They/He can make any rules they want to, IMO. It ain't anyone else's right to claim they have a right to compete in the contest. However, if it were MY contest, I'd let her. She's gorgeous!! | |
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| 03-27-12 10:55am - 4653 days | #6 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I doubt most beauty contests have any rules about plastic surgery. Breast implants are common today, and I would guess that many beauty contestants have had breast implants, as well as nose jobs and whatever, to make them more attractive. | |
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| 03-27-12 11:36am - 4653 days | #7 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
True, beauty is in the eye or pocket book of the beholder! Since 2007 | |
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| 03-27-12 01:33pm - 4653 days | #8 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I din't know that. I always thought beauty contests were creepy, but now knowing that The Donald has his finger in this (figuratively, of course...) it seems ultra-hyper-creepy. | |
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| 03-27-12 02:02pm - 4653 days | #9 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
It sounds like they are in the right in their application of the rules, but that doesn't mean the rules are morally sound. I thought beauty contests had almost ceased to be. Been years since I've heard of any - they certainly don't televise them anymore. I'm with you Rearadmiral, I think they're creepy too. ps What on Earth is "The Donald"? Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 03-27-12 03:57pm - 4653 days | #10 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
First off: The Donald is Donald Trump. Secondly: They may not air them in the UK, but they certainly do in the US. They're on cable channels now instead of over-the-air channels like ABC or CBS, but they're still there. As for this, to even get to that point she would have had to be in a regional competition and win that. And the regional competition would have (or should have) had the same rules as the national one. She should have been told about this rule when she first applied, and it shouldn't have gotten to the point where she was featured on the website before she was told she couldn't participate. | |
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| 03-27-12 04:06pm - 4653 days | #11 | |
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Micha (0)
Active User Posts: 321 Registered: Jul 04, '10 Location: san jose ca |
Ed Rote: ps What on Earth is "The Donald"? The Donald refers to Donald Trump, a man who is generally found in NewYorkCity on this side of the pond. He had more money and hair than most of us and he is famous for being famous. He has popularized the phrase "you're fired !" unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck. | |
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| 03-27-12 04:59pm - 4653 days | #12 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
I am truly perplexed by this turn of events  On one hand, if I hadn't been told she use to be a guy I'd be all over that.  I would.  But the fact that she literately had her whacker whacked (or hacked) off puts just that much of a bug in my mind. So, now my head is going  and my whole world is just  around about Jenna. It certainly is amazing the wonders of modern medicine. I wish she could compete just cause I hate the genre of beauty pageants and that would be a nice little firecracker to throw in the basket. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 03-27-12 05:17pm - 4653 days | #13 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
They say beauty is only skin deep, and she looks extremely woman like to me. I say to let her, or at least rethink the rules. Most transgenders are not very attractive, Jenna is smoking hot and that is a feat of its own. She would trick (wrong word) any sober man. Clearly someone just feels threatened by her, and probably pissed that a born boy looks better than her. If you ask me she is in the top 5% of attractive women. Something tells me that this chick has more personality than most of the other chicks there and certainly more than the pageant board. Manning up and being what you feel you are take a lot of balls, she still has more balls than 98% of us.  TG  "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~PU Interview | |
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| 03-27-12 05:34pm - 4653 days | #14 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Somehow I'm thinking of ALS Scans and their policy of not shooting girls that have fake breasts -- something that I'm thankful for, btw. The point is that contests, like websites, have rules. If there's no rule against a she-was-a-he, then let it be. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-27-12 05:36pm - 4653 days | #15 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I agree 100%! | |
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| 03-27-12 05:39pm - 4653 days | #16 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I'll probably regret writing this as soon as I hit the 'add reply' button (but why do I worry about sounding sexist on a porn forum ), but... I all the pictures of her are of the front. What about dedicated ass-men like me? Not one decent bum shot??? | |
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| 03-27-12 05:45pm - 4653 days | #17 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Beauty is not about sex,( said it a 1000 times) its about what pleases the eye, gender has nothing to do with it. It has to do with what or whom you find attractive. Since 2007 | |
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| 03-27-12 11:02pm - 4652 days | #18 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Define "natural born." Still, if not for that rule I'd say all the other contestants have an unfair advantage because they were all born with their vaginas (who knows about their breasts and lips though...  ). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-27-12 11:34pm - 4652 days | #19 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
If Trump gets to say that this contestant isn't a woman then I get to say that whatever that thing is on his head isn't hair! 
He still has more money than most of us, while the "hair" remains an enigma. Though I still say the Simpsons' Mr. Burns said "You're fired!" better (and earlier) than Trump. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 03-28-12 05:24am - 4652 days | #20 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
If the contest rules allow the women to be surgically or pharmaceutically "enhanced" then yes let her in. If they don't then I don't think it would be fair to compare a women that has had help vs someone all natural regardless of what gender they were born. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 03-28-12 09:04am - 4652 days | #21 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I believe they altered the rules on plastic surgery a few years ago because it was getting harder to get all natural contestant and it was also harder to tell if they had or hadn't gotten some work done. They could always change the rules for futur contest but I don't think that will happen. I just can't see them writting a rule that a post op transexual is now allowed to participate in a beauty contest. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-28-12 09:35am - 4652 days | #22 | |
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Ergo Proxy (0)
Active User  Posts: 52 Registered: Dec 22, '07 Location: Germany |
% All hail to the hypnotoad! Edited on Apr 08, 2012, 01:59am | |
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| 03-28-12 10:40am - 4652 days | #23 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I thought that was Sugar? But I've never watched the Apprentice so I could easily be wrong on that one. Sugar is the one that comedians always seem to make fun of for that line. Limiting entrants to one gender would probably breach discrimination laws here, but I can see why a lot of people would be upset if a man won eventually won the competition. How gutting would it be to be a woman and be beaten by someone who used to be a man! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 03-28-12 10:53am - 4652 days | #24 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Ed, at what point does a person - well a male, become a man? This stuff about mind and body being polar opposites is confusing. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 03-28-12 01:39pm - 4652 days | #25 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
How would I know? I have no medical training. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 03-28-12 03:18pm - 4652 days | #26 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Wasn't I thinking the same thing when I read the rules, Turboshaft. I've always looked at transsexuals like Jenna as women who had the misfortune of being born in a man's body. In my eyes she is a "natural born woman." BTW, I agree with those who have no use for beauty contests! | |
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| 03-29-12 06:27am - 4651 days | #27 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
haha... it was a rhetorical question - no answer required. I think Messmer is correct.... I guess... If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 03-31-12 05:17pm - 4649 days | #28 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I thought there were something in the rules regarding beauty contests that specifies "enhancements" disqualifies a contestant. In this case, the former guy has to be loaded with them. Whatever, I think they should let him/her on in. On stage, Lets jus' hope her voice don't come out baritone when required to give an oratory. | |
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| 04-01-12 04:33am - 4648 days | #29 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
That would shatter the image somewhat!  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-03-12 12:49pm - 4646 days | #30 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Here is the latest: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-co...lackova.html?cmp=rss | |
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| 04-03-12 01:36pm - 4646 days | #31 | |
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Micha (0)
Active User Posts: 321 Registered: Jul 04, '10 Location: san jose ca |
Accusing the Miss Universe contest of discrimination for not allowing transgender contestant borders on the absurd. Everyone is ignoring the blatant discrimination demonstrated by the fact that one hundred percent of the contestants, every friggin one of them, is from Earth unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck. | |
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| 04-03-12 03:59pm - 4646 days | #32 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Who says they're from Earth? For all we know the Martian have been sending their best Fembot's for years to win these beauty contest. It's just that our technology isn't advanced enough to detect them. I'm eager to see the contestant next year because it wouldn't suprise me if their were some less obvious women in the bunch. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-06-12 04:44pm - 4643 days | #33 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Well Jenna has made main stream and will appear on 20/20 (ABC) with Baba Walters. I swear in the preview I saw her say her breasts are her own - from hormone therapy. I, for one, will watch - besides on Friday night an antenna provides very little entertainment. _________________________________________________________ 4/7/2012 Ok, I watched. And she/he does say her breasts grew using hormone therapy, but at one point Barbara asks if they are augmented and the answer was "yes". No big surprise there. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! Edited on Apr 07, 2012, 09:30am | |
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