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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
The Future of Porn: How you Pay to Get It. I came across this article at AVN the other day which talks about websites rethinking how they charge the public for their wares. The articles a tad long and biased towards the industry. Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:15pm | |
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| 08-28-09 07:07pm - 5595 days | #2 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
I didn't read the article but I will offer one caveat for "news" you pick up from adult webmaster resources .... In almost every case, you'll find the author of the article has a vested interest in the "change" that's being predicted. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 08-28-09 08:11pm - 5595 days | #3 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I for one am against these changes. Imagine that. This would end up costing so much more and would still result in their porn being all over the tube sites and P2P networks. It really does not change anything from a piracy stand point. This is something that might work widespread if it is only used to get people to buy a few videos from a site. Some people only want very specific things. Lets pick on Exotics for a moment, see being rank number 1 has its drawbacks, and his obsession for Eva Angel. We will join sites that off updates with her in it and would be a prime target for this billing scheme. Correction, the sites make off on him because he joins them anyway. Assuming Exotics, or someone like him, did not join sites for only one model because it was too expensive for only a few videos than this method would work great. The videos cost a few dollars to download and that is the end of the involvement with that site. From a site's point of view $4 is better than no dollars. If I could allow people to join a site and only download 2 very specific videos they wanted than that would be fine. I would generate revenue. Plus, there is a chance that person might like the content quality and join for a full membership. Basically it would be like that Clips4Sale site. But leave the normal full membership option there for me. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 08-28-09 09:01pm - 5595 days | #4 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
That's definitely true here; the author disclosed that he works for one of the companies he mentions in the article, and whose CEO believes micro transactions are "a definite growth area within the industry." Hmm, coincidence? I guess there is no better way to know a source than to become one yourself! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Aug 28, 2009, 09:08pm | |
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| 08-28-09 09:33pm - 5595 days | #5 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I have mixed opinions about this, and like badandy, I am worried it will end up costing more. First off, I am a completist, and when I join a site I want to be able to download everything, not just bits and pieces. Sure, later when I am organizing and sorting I will also be pruning and deleting, but not to the extent that I would make a month's subscription worthless. If sites still offer what is currently available -- that is, access to everything for a flat rate -- for the same price, or even lower, then I am happy. Yes, gives customers more choices, like the music and film industries have begun to do over the last few years, but don't take away traditional choices either. The article talked about how the porn industry can cater to nearly any customer and once customers find what they like, then they usually stay with it, but at the same time being incredibly narcissistic since there are just as many sleazy assholes out there looking to steal a buck as there are honest people looking to actually earn it. As Wittyguy mentioned in #7 and #8, this could offer not only more choices for fans but also more choices for sleazebags, who in ripping us off just end up making a lot of us bitter and wary of the industry. Second, along with Wittyguy's point in #10, changing how we pay won't change the porn. I am worried that this will debase content even more, if that's even possible. We have complained at length about cookie cutter porn, specifically in regards to American made material, but it could pale in comparison to what this could do. Sites study what clips or photos get the most of these micro transactions and in turn simply churn out more of those and leave the rest to the dustbin of porn history. Older PUers have probably already had there letdown with the move from the more plot based '70s fare to today's wham-bam-no-thank-you-ma'am gonzo fueled blandness. What will happen when webmasters simply cater to their top selling two or three videos? I hope they still try to be innovative and creative, but I am concered it will be like what already happens when some have polls (ratings polls, not like the opinion ones we have) and releases will become ho-hum and sadly predictable. We'll just have a different girl or two, with the same outfits, sets, toys, and camera movements -- lame. I also hope Wittyguy's #9 point is wrong because I like higher quality content, but the article did discuss the importance of mobile technology. Oh yeah, that's what I want to use my phone for; so I can reduce a HD video down to a two inch square picture and hopefully squint so hard I will get a migraine whenever I watch my favorite site's latest video. That way I will be in too much pain to be able to complain to the site. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-28-09 11:25pm - 5594 days | #6 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
There has recently been a bit of a stink about that movie showing the four girls wrecking because they text while driving. Imagine the issue that would arise if I were to have to do all my porn downloading on the phone. I could not drive anywhere! Phone porn is simply a waste and impractical, but I believe we beat the living shit out of that horse in another thread. Fortunately changes such as this are very slow to come. Many sites will be skeptical of this change just as we are. And like DRM, the sites will see that it is not working and switch back to the traditional style. That is of course if this method ever launched wide scale and presents issues. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 08-29-09 07:49am - 5594 days | #7 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
There are sites, such as Brazzers.com, that are already bait-and-switch shacks with despicable business practices that will gouge for everything possible. I have seen other sites that have entirely fair and reasonable full membership deals that are also offering micro-transactions to those that want such a thing. So I think that this is likely to be an element of the online porn biz and I doubt that it will lead to the end of good and even great deals for those that want full membership. Here's the way that I see things playing out - the biggest issue that porn sites seem to have is getting new members. If they can get someone in the door as a member, that's a big win and smart sites do what they can to keep that person as an ongoing member, including the wonderful "special deal when you go to cancel". If another option that they put out there broadly is "pay $5 for a single vid download", it's smart business - it gets a sample of their best material to someone that might join their site and it offers material for a small fee to someone that without that option might look around until they find that vid for free somewhere. | |
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| 08-29-09 02:01pm - 5594 days | #8 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Wittyguy has done another perceptive analysis. However, my take is that the proposal in the article is more flash in the pan than anything else. It's a practice that would only work if sites would provide full previews of the content. Unfortunately, few do, and there's no consistency in this regard anyway. There are sites that do full previews and offer full-month and/or short trial memberships. Euro Pornstars and TeenModels are examples. Then there are sites that already offer full-term or a la carte purchases: DDF Beauties, foxes.com, and VirtuaGirlHD. But they don't have full content previews. Given that, you don't have to be a math genius to figure that a month's membership is going to be a better deal than by the piece. DDF Beauties, for instance, charges $2.50 for one item, so you'd already be cheating yourself by buying 11 when you could get into hundreds for the same dough (buy a month at "recurring" at $24.95, but cancel). Full content previews are a mixed blessing for the websites that do offer them anyway. I've been lurking at Euro Pornstars for a while now but won't bite yet. Hardly anything there interests me these days. I probably would have joined by now again had I NOT known that I would be disappointed. I'd think that server load would put off some sites from doing the full content previews. Would all that bandwidth for free peeks, and then for minuscule transactions, really add up to increased profits from people buying things a scrap at a time? And would it counteract piracy? It might slow it down if a site stopped doing monthly memberships for total content, but it wouldn't eliminate it. I'm pretty sceptical. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Aug 29, 2009, 02:05pm | |
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| 08-29-09 05:39pm - 5594 days | #9 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
For someone that's deciding between a monthly join and a download by the piece, I would hope that any site that is offering a reasonable monthly subscription is going to be a much better deal for people that want such a thing. This whole thing seems to me to be another source of income from people that probably wouldn't be giving the sites any money - at least not right now. And getting some money from people from whom you otherwise wouldn't be getting any is good for any business. | |
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| 08-29-09 11:06pm - 5593 days | #10 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I could definitely save some money with that method. I have content of Eve from 6 sites, that I have no other content saved from. But I would still want the full membership option too. Don't want to look obsessed with Eve or anything like that! My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 08-30-09 12:38am - 5593 days | #11 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Nope E, you are obsessed and that is alright. Don't you always tell people that the first step to overcoming an obsession or issue is to recognize that it is there. On the other hand, none of us here see that as a problem so I guess you are off the hook on this one. If a single video cost a dollar or two and decent site will have much more than 15 to 30 videos for the full members to enjoy. So if they maintain two methods of membership they can cater to people looking for the extremely specific things and to those of us who "downloads entire sites for breakfast" and need full access options. So long as they keep things same as they are now and make "pay per view" an added feature I see no problem with it. If it goes to pay per video I might find myself in a bit of a pickle. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 08-30-09 09:20am - 5593 days | #12 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Absolutely! But Eve is an obsession that I have no interest in overcoming. Seriously, my wife also is a big fan of Eve. So, she too would not be too happy with me crushing that obsession! My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 08-30-09 09:40am - 5593 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I wouldn't mind a pay as you go system but I see a few problems. If we use Itunes as an example then that would mean that all websites would have to give their content to one company to manage for them. A song is a very small file but video is not. What company has the necessary hard drives to store 10,000 + gigs, and the servers to process all the downloads? How would you come up with a reasonable cost per downloads? It wouldn't be feasible for each site to have it's own system because I don't think everyone will be comfortable giving their credit card to 100 sites a year. Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Aug 30, 2009, 05:39pm | |
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| 08-30-09 05:25pm - 5593 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
You're pretty lucky here, in that she is not only understanding but happily supportive of your obsession. Maybe in the wrong context she would be seen as an enabler, but you two are just sharing an interest. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-31-09 11:03am - 5592 days | #15 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:15pm | |
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| 08-31-09 03:41pm - 5592 days | #16 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I can see how it might work with e-books, especially if the user can keep the prying eyes out of the bookmarks (indispensably convenient for replay) and all other manner of places on the computer where the gun leaves smoke wafting around (stored passwords, etc.). Yet there's something to be said for "owning" the stuff, or at least feeling like you do. I mean, consider the poll taken last December on the appeal of "stream only" sites. Did you look at the results? I'd say we've got a ways to go before streaming only gets hotter than downloadable. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-06-09 05:57am - 5586 days | #17 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Have to say I don't like the idea. It seems much like a return to the mid 1990s You can bet they wouldn't be putting it forward if they didn't think it was going to make them money. It might be a good deal for the occasional user, but for dedicated pervs such as myself it is a waste of money & effort. I want to minimise the number of transactions & get a shitload of stuff for it. Cap'n. :) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-09-09 05:02pm - 5583 days | #18 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
I'm someone who has an obsession for a different girl. Coincidently I message back and forth often with another who _does_ have an obsession for Eve Angel... I would love for there to be some centralized iTunes-like application. Exactly like Clips4sale but cheaper. I'll buy anything that includes this girl, but the biggest problem is _finding_ the material in the first place! This particular girl has content placed on over 150 pay websites, of which right about 100 of them contain at least one exclusive video or photoset! And on top of that about 25 dvds that contain content not available on a paysite. I want the producers to come to me and say "I have this new product for you to buy", but none of them _ever_ do. Such a centralized system would do two things, inform us all of new products to buy, and also give the little guys better exposure. But that second point is probably a big reason this may never happen, they surely don't want their sales going to someone else... There really are so many people who have become addicted to a specific girl, are willing to buy anything out there with her, yet so many products still remain hidden out of view, lost somewhere in the mess of the internet. Organize and I will buy, others probably will too. | |
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| 09-09-09 08:00pm - 5583 days | #19 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Hummmm.....I do! That is only 1/3 of my hard drive collection. Of course theirs are a bit different and more expensive than mine. Look at Videobox and some of the other giants out there. They have a great deal of content. 10,000 GB is not that much for a well run site. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-10-09 02:59pm - 5582 days | #20 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:16pm | |
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| 09-11-09 01:32pm - 5581 days | #22 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
So if I read that right you reckon it is a hook for mainstream sites? What about all these sites that have sprung up just selling clips & have no main website as such? Their prices seem quite salty on the whole! :0( Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on Sep 11, 2009, 01:48pm | |
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| 09-11-09 02:49pm - 5581 days | #23 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:16pm | |
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| 09-11-09 02:55pm - 5581 days | #24 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I get the impression the clips for sale type material may be niche & of varying quality, but one thing you can be sure of is that it is expensive for what it is. Some 'producers' seem to use these marketplaces as a cheaper alternative to setting up their own sites. :0/ Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-11-09 07:32pm - 5581 days | #25 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Those clips are way to expensive for me to touch even if it is something I would like to have. Many of them are about $10 for only a few minutes. It is very hard to justify that sort of pricing. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-12-09 02:19am - 5580 days | #26 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
I think you guys have a point there. I have joined dozens of sites just for one scene of one girl. Normally I find more content in there that I like making it worth the money. But I don't need it. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad, but I would hate to see all sites operate this way. We all have sites in which we want and download all the content. It will be a shame when the days of grabbing gigs and gigs of vids from a site for only $25 is over. | |
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| 09-12-09 08:11am - 5580 days | #27 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I don't see that happening anytime soon. There is a big market there & a lot of people are into quantity downloads. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-13-09 10:39pm - 5578 days | #28 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
My fear exactly. Well one of them. :) This is why I am trying to get all I can while I can. I am afraid that one day porn downloading will not be the same as it is now. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-08-10 03:16pm - 5372 days | #29 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:16pm | |
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| 04-08-10 04:07pm - 5372 days | #30 | |
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pornwatcher (0)
Suspended Posts: 51 Registered: Jun 25, '08 Location: US |
I think the problem with porn sites these days is they all look the same. True, you can pick and choose based on niche but there is little difference between porn sites that belong to the same niche. I think to get customers to pay for porn that can't be pirated or difficult to pirate is to have Netflix like website that offers Blu-ray porn. Blu-ray content is way too big to be downloaded over the internet, even if you have broadband. There are already some Netflix like sites for porn that offer Blu-ray but their collection is very limited and their subscription plan is too expensive. If they offer affordable price like Netflix, $20.99 a month unlimited, 3 Blu-ray at a time, more people would pay for it. | |
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| 04-09-10 10:00am - 5371 days | #31 | |
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mrthought (0)
Suspended Posts: 3 Registered: Apr 09, '10 |
I have never paid to get video porn. so, i don't know how much does it cost? __________________ spam sig removed Edited by Staff on Apr 09, 2010, 11:36am (Khan: spam sig removed) | |
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