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| 08-31-09 06:04am - 5554 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Models/girls - and acting Drooler and this user has had some words with Andreas - webmaster at MC Nudes - the reason: I just find those videos getting more and more boring - and without putting the words into Droolers mouth (sorry, if it's not the right english expression - hope you get my drift) - we're at least two PUs with that feeling. Andreas is giving an answer, that it's a kind of a disrespect towards tho models/girls. But my point is this: If a model seems bored, tame, not interested ect. in a nude video, it's NOT the models fault. It's got to be a matter of how the photografers (and others involved) instruct/direct the model. Quite a few of the models at MCN apear in other sites - and here your're able to find completely different attitudes from the model herself. Still it could be a turn-on for some, that a girl/model appears uninterested/tame/lame - I just doubt it. Just another thread - like to get some opinions... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 08-31-09 07:55am - 5554 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
How a model is presented can make a huge difference in how attractive she appears. Some pictures/videos of a model can be extremely attractive or arousing. Other pictures/videos of a model can be boring, unappealing, whatever. A lot depends on personal taste, of course, but there can be "objective" elements in the value/attractiveness/eroticism of a photo or video. Anyway, a model that looks bored is usually not that appealing to me. I've mentioned in some of my reviews that when a model appears bored, it detracts from the value of a photo/video. The attitude of the model can make a huge difference in how attractive the photo or video is. A photo/video that is technically excellent, with a gorgeous model, can still be boring if the model herself is boring or shows a boring attitude. Met-art videos are usually boring, for me. Lovely girls, nude, but boring videos. One model that has videos at met-art that are erotic/sexy is Chiara A. I don't know what it is about that girl, but she has sex appeal, and it comes across even in her met-art videos. You look at that girl, she doesn't have to be doing much of anything, you want to pound her into the ground. Which probably wouldn't be that easy, because she looks like she could take whatever you gave her and still be ready for more. | |
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| 08-31-09 08:21am - 5554 days | #3 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
---Off Topic--- Sorry, need to rethink this post. Is there some way to just delete this post entirely? Edited on Aug 31, 2009, 08:53am | |
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| 08-31-09 11:15am - 5554 days | #4 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
Absolutely right. I know I'm new to shooting of sexy ladies getting their kit off, but one thing I learned VERY quickly is that the ladies I've worked with are brilliant fun, providing the shoot is fun and the guy behind the camera is up for a laugh and not some anally retentive big-head. Fun shows through and fun is sexy (well I think it is) and there's nothing worse than a lass looking bored no matter how gorgeous she looks. I think all the ladies I've worked with have had a good time on our shoots and they show too. www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 08-31-09 02:10pm - 5554 days | #5 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I find that any shooting done in the U.K. is usually quite good because much of it is being done with a bit of humor and bantering with the model. Sadly, we appear to be stuck (mostly) with the "anally retentive big-heads" on this continent. The usual pre-scene interview: "What's your name? How old are you? Is this the first time you do porn? What was your first sexual experience and how old were you? Okay, stand up. (Sounding like a drill sergeant now). Take off your top! Now your jeans/daisy dukes/skirt! No, not that way, turn around so that we can see your butt." Models as objects and they react accordingly. If they keep smiling they are very good actresses because they are being treated like slabs of meat being graded. | |
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| 08-31-09 03:26pm - 5554 days | #6 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
What I said to Denner before we were contacted by Andreas of MC Nudes was, verbatim, "If the models don't seem to give a shit, why should the user?" And that was actually carefully worded, that they don't seem to care. It's not about the models themselves; it's how they're being presented. As others have said, the same models can come across very differently depending on how they're being shot. Klara/Zoe is an example. She's more detached at MCNudes, but shows more personality at ALS Scan. There are sites that do at least a good job of getting the models into the kind of mood that makes them personally appealing. ALS Scan, ALS Angels, Teenrotica, TeenModels, OnlyCuties, InFocusGirls, and SimonScans all come to mind. Funny how there is one thing that all of those sites have in common: lots of toy play. That's something that I don't care for, but at least I can appreciate the effort put into getting them happy and sexy for the camera. And then there are sites that tend toward a more distant presentation. I'd put these on the list: x-art (though not always) and Silent Views (by far the coldest I've ever seen). MC Nudes, IMHO, doesn't have a severe case of the "cold lady blues," but I'd like to see less of it there. And at Hegre-Art, for that matter. So I'll go back to MC Nudes sometime. But Silent Views? Forget it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Aug 31, 2009, 03:30pm | |
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| 09-01-09 07:34am - 5553 days | #7 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
"cold lady blues"..... Drooler has got a way with words - and something this user with only a few in english (but a LOT, believe you me) in danish - would like to have, too. Still, I think the Drooler (and this user - humble) - has hit some problems square on the head - like: How the models are presented and how they are directed in both videos and photosets. A LOT of sites are doing a great job - that's why we join, I think. But when it comes to sites where everything seems like a discount concerning models acting, updates, variation ect., it should be obvious to any PU to neglect, cancel as fast as you can - and stay away in the future.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Sep 01, 2009, 07:38am | |
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| 09-01-09 01:57pm - 5553 days | #8 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I think a site is doing a good job if the girls are having fun and enjoying themselves, but a great job if they are doing this naturally, that is without any apparent direction. Obviously this rules out behind the scenes material, even when a model is happy, but a lot of regular videos could benefit when there is no apparent heavy handed director giving orders. I'm not saying there should be absolutely no direction, because if that were true most models would probably just masturbate and fall asleep for the rest of the shoot. I have seen it happen, and those are good times, but I usually like to see more action and passion. If a scene is setup with a few certain acts involved and the rest left up to model's imagination, there can be a very interesting video, assuming the model is into it and can 'work' independently. On the other hand, if she is not very inventive or imaginative on her own in front of the camera the video can fall flat and be a serious disappointment. Drooler mentioned ALSScan and ALS Angels, and I agree that they almost always bring out the models' good sides but it always seems to me to be either completely behind the scenes, which really is not acting (at least I hope not, unless the model is being a bitch), or a scenario that's way over-setup, and the acting feels routine and predictable. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 09-01-09 02:51pm - 5553 days | #9 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 11:40am | |
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| 09-01-09 03:22pm - 5553 days | #10 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Go ahead. Say it: "Drenner" (or "Dooler") I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-01-09 03:32pm - 5553 days | #11 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 11:40am | |
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| 09-01-09 06:40pm - 5553 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
And like twins they both seem to have a fascination with canines (at least avatar wise). Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-01-09 11:20pm - 5552 days | #13 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Well this thread has certainly taken a strange turn. They did join only days apart, their names are similar, the avatar is just weird, and just look how close their points are. I am going to have to subscribe to the twins theory on this one. Has one of you ever felt that your parents were too strange to be yours? If one is to have sex with their identical twin, on a genetic level technically it is just masturbation. :) No boys, sorry to burst your bubble but your hot twin sister is not identical. Of course this would work for say the Milton Twins who I would have no problem watching, or joining for that matter. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-02-09 06:22am - 5552 days | #14 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Well, just for the heck of it: Drooler joined PU way before I did - and with the thread-deal comming up, I had not seen the Droolers avatar - BTW: Look at it - and notice the drooling part. My avatar is just a tribute to wolves/german shepherds - as a pround owner of a devoted and best damn watchdog this family ever had.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 09-02-09 10:51am - 5552 days | #15 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
According to your dates listed under your names you actually joined a few days before Drooler. Are you trying to say something about Droolers dog here?!?! (yes I am trying to start a dog fight, call me Vick) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-02-09 12:27pm - 5552 days | #16 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Ups, not accurate - agree - Still it's a "WRUFF" - from this user... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 09-02-09 03:22pm - 5552 days | #17 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I'm a dog lover, but none are in the family. I'm not around enough at home to keep a pooch from forgetting who's alpha around here -- and to a dog, that's pretty damned important. Besides, I wouldn't want the poor thing to be feeling lonely. And chewing the bejesus out of everything. And I can't even clean up after myself. Add a dog? Forget it. Besides, my avatar is a pit bull -- and a real "drooler" at that -- hardly the epitome of canine class that Denner's German Shepard is. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Sep 02, 2009, 03:29pm | |
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| 09-02-09 05:05pm - 5552 days | #18 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Denner's avatar looks more like a wolf to me than a German Shepherd dog. I like his avatar, but when comparing him (or her) to Drooler's avatar, Drooler's wins hands down. There really is no comparison. Drooler's avatar has strength, breeding, courage, intelligence and loyalty. And as Drooler admits himself, that dog is the alpha member of his family. | |
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| 09-02-09 06:45pm - 5552 days | #19 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'll take Denner's wolf over Drooler's drooler...Sorry for the pun. I couldn't help myself. I love dogs but drooling is not my thing. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-03-09 01:52pm - 5551 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I kind of agree; Denner's avatar looks deadly serious, as if he is making an important point about the deeper meaning of adult entertainment. But Drooler's looks like he just found a hot new site and is salivating in enthusiasm, to put it mildly. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 09-03-09 04:17pm - 5551 days | #21 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I'm wondering what the point of porn is supposed to be. Is it supposed to be erotic, for our personal enjoyment? Or is it supposed to be making a statement of deeper meaning? You can talk about great literature. Most porn is not great literature. And that's not what I'm looking for if I do read a porn story or novel or look at a photoset or video: I want something that's erotic or arousing or entertaining. Call that porn pulp, versus porn class, such as a novel by Henry Miller (Tropic of Cancer) or James Joyce (Ulysses). There's an audience for "literary" porn, but that's not what I'm usually interested in for my reading or viewing pleasure. I want something lighter that I can easily enjoy. And that is only part of the reason why I prefer Drooler's avatar: I certainly wouldn't mind finding hot new paysites that I can enjoy, and if I start drooling over them in my enthusiam, so much the better. Drooler's avatar, for me, captures the spirit of porn that I am aiming for: A light experience similar to a pulp paperback versus a serious work of porn literature (realizing that I am going for pictures and videos, and not much stories at the paysites). The PU members might be serious about their porn collections, but I'm thinking they are trying to enjoy their porn on a light level, not at the level of the meaning of life. Edited on Sep 03, 2009, 04:50pm | |
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| 09-03-09 05:33pm - 5551 days | #22 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Funny how you read the "alpha" part the way you did. I can see now how it could be interpreted that way, but what I really meant is that I'm the alpha in my house, and the little bugger has to be clear about that. But on another level, the abstract and iconic level, the "drooler" within is alpha, I suppose. I mean, Freud had his id, and Jung had his animus, and mine's The DROOLER! Mwah-hahahahaha ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 09-03-09 06:34pm - 5551 days | #23 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
For me Denner's avatar is the look of someone who sees what he wants and is just about to leap for it. Drooler already has it and is salivating thinking about all the thing he's going to do with it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-03-09 07:29pm - 5551 days | #24 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I read the "alpha" part the same way that you did. But I was trying to add a little color to my description of your avatar, the same way that people tell tall tales based on what is supposed to be some kind of "factual" basis, like Davey Crockett killing a bar (bear) when he was only 3 (in the Disney version anyway, I seem to recall). So, since your Drooler avatar is fictional (you don't own a dog), and you are the alpha in your family (no wife, so you are probably the alpha, beta and iomega of your family all in one), I made the Drooler avatar out to be the alpha in your family. No disrespect intended. | |
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| 09-03-09 10:40pm - 5550 days | #25 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I don't think the porn itself has any deep meaning on any individual level like a 'great' novel, song, or play does, but I think it is the very existence of porn and the wide range of reactions we see in response to it, coupled with its continued popularity that says something about modern human culture and hopefully something about our species as well. These are definitely not my thoughts alone, but I know there is a member (maybe he's a sociologist, I can't remember) who says this on his profile page, and I tend to agree with him here. If I figure out who it is I'll post it later. Don't worry lk2fireone; just because something is not seen as smart or serious doesn't mean it has no meaning. Maybe the pursuit of porn purely as something light and enjoyable is its point, and to try and help lift our lives above the miserable existence that so many others wish it to be. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 09-03-09 10:51pm - 5550 days | #26 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I spend a good part of my day working with my porn collection, it is what I do for the fun of it. I spend serious time with it, but I am not thinking of it as something serious. It is people pretending to perform sexual acts for the fun of it or for pay. It really is not much more. Sure there is some nude art out there that is serious, but its intention is not usually to provoke a sexual feeling. Porn is for sexual/lust feeling and when most people talk about it they are speaking lightly. I talk about porn with my friends and it never comes across as something to be taken seriously. It always comes across as something to do and enjoy. We all like pitching tents and knocking them down, that is pretty much all porn is for. If it meant for something otherwise they probably would not call it porn. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 09-06-09 06:55am - 5548 days | #27 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
On the OPs topic: Abilities & willingness to act or pose obviously vary. Motivations for the people to get into the business vary too. Whilst most models would not be capable of becoming a lawyer or a doctor, that does not mean they shouldn't be treated with a level of respect. I have generally found if you treat everyone with respect you will get more from them. On the Meaning of Porn: As a user, I see it as an essential form of entertainment. Some may see their work as high art, but they are only fooling themselves. OK you couldn't call a Rubens nude porn, but it probably had an element of that in its day! Cap'n. :0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 09-06-09 03:16pm - 5548 days | #28 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
The purpose of porn is entertainment that fulfills a basic human need. Porn does not need or have to have any other purpose. What is the higher purpose of any kind of entertainment? | |
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| 09-06-09 05:53pm - 5548 days | #29 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
This reminds me of my initial criticism of Nubiles.net. I was seeing sets of models on their site where the models looked pained/bored/why am I here/disengaged, etc - and then I would see the same model elsewhere and she would look great and the shots would be very exciting. To his credit, the webmaster at Nubiles.net took my criticism to heart and said, "Yeah, it's the photographer's responsibility to get a good shoot out of the model." And I would say that in subsequent 120-day memberships to that site, I have not seen shoots that displayed the same level of pain or indifference on the part of the models that I had seen in my first membership. ALS Scan is my favorite site because of their ability to do this so well. Whatever it is they do - whether it's having female assistants to help the models feel comfortable or doing their shoots in nice locations so they get excited and - as much as people complain about it in the BTS vids - the director talking to the models a lot telling them how hot they are, telling them what he wants them to do, etc - it works. Another photographer might not be nearly so skilled at getting the best out of those models. | |
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| 09-06-09 06:31pm - 5548 days | #30 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
They can definitely produce good photo shoots at ALS, but because of the very way they do it -- lots of interaction with the model, lots of direction -- their videos can leave you wanting more of just the model on her own. This turns most of their videos into BTS, or something like a few-hours-in-the-life-of-____, which they have done on their last couple of Caribbean trips. As I mentioned earlier, a lot of models, maybe even the majority, can't really hold a scene on their own, especially at sites where they are new to the business. Even girls who have been in front of the camera for a few months can be lost making/acting in an entertaining video for more than three or four minutes. Plus if they have a certain number of things on their 'will not do' list then that requires them to be more creative. This sort of a problem has always plagued porn, and will continue to do so: how do directors, photographers, etc. fill the time by staying within the realm of what they and the model are willing to do, but still refrain from doing something that would make the shoot cross over into some fetish category, possibly alienating the audience, or just pissing off the model? I think one of ALS's secrets is using a female assistant (and frequently a second one too) to help models get more comfortable. I can't imagine being a girl and going to a shoot alone, only to have to do it with a bunch of staring guys armed with cameras and lights, though I am sure some models love it. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Sep 06, 2009, 10:17pm | |
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| 09-07-09 09:52am - 5547 days | #31 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Yeah, the female assistant is probably very important - I noticed in a recent Playboy vid that was done in a BTS manner, that they had a formula very similar to ALS - a female assistant - a wise-cracking, straight-talking cutie that I would have liked to seen more of - and a director that talked pretty much non-stop fluffing the model up about how hot she was and directing her to do this or that - got great footage of her and she seemed to be very happy and comfortable in the situation. Oh, and another key component for ALS - they pay the models premium prices. They aren't trying to shoot them for the cheapest rates they can get the girls at - that's gotta help. | |
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