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| 12-22-08 05:16pm - 5806 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Star138 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 6 Registered: Dec 22, '08 |
Number of girls/photo sets for a new site? We're starting an amateur/teen site and were wondering what the acceptable number of girls would be for "opening day"... I've seen some that start with as few as 12, but most start with a list of girls that could take a month to get through.. I guess, what number is too small? 15, 20, 40, 80?... | |
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| 12-22-08 05:47pm - 5806 days | #2 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Everybody has different ideas on what makes an attractive site. Most people have limited porn dollars. Sites that are just starting out usually have very limited number of models and limited amount of content, making them expensive for what they are offering. Is there some way you could do a deal linking with some other sites that are just starting out, or that have a limited amount of content, and share the membership revenues between you? I don't know the mechanics involved, or what would be a fair distribution of the shared membership fees, but it seems like an approach that might be useful. I would think that a new site would have a very difficult time building a membership base, especially in today's economic downturn. | |
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| 12-22-08 05:56pm - 5806 days | #3 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
FYI, we had a related poll on this a while ago. In the poll, to date 45% of the respondents said that a $30 per month site should have 50 galleries and vids on launch. Another 45% answered 30 or 40 (most of these said 30). 51 respondents so far. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Dec 22, 2008, 06:00pm | |
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| 12-22-08 06:27pm - 5805 days | #4 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:22pm | |
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| 12-22-08 06:35pm - 5805 days | #5 | |
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Star138 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 6 Registered: Dec 22, '08 |
we have enough for about 20 - 30 models to start with, each with 1 photo gallery. Assuming we have zero monthly customers, we could afford to add about 4 - 5 galleries a month. It's a teen/amateur site with mainly webcam-like content, high-res (digital camera) pics. We (and when I say we, I mean me. One-man project here)thought about starting as low as $14.95 a month, and then use the cash-flow to add more content. Then gradually increase the price as the site gets more content/models/traffic.. etc.. Link exchanging will likely be a must. I'm considering affiliate/banner links (for solo girl sites) on the website.. and trying to keep it non-intrusive. What do you guys think? | |
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| 12-22-08 06:48pm - 5805 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Here are a few questions that might help us to better advise you. How many quality photos do you have in each model's sets? Are we talking nude only? What is the average age of the models? Is your material 100% exclusive? What kind of resolution for the photo sets? Do you have any vids? What kind of quality to the vids(if any)? To be honest with you at 14.95$ you are not likely going to get too many takers with your actual content. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-22-08 06:55pm - 5805 days | #7 | |
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Star138 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 6 Registered: Dec 22, '08 |
How many quality photos do you have in each model's sets? average about 55. Are we talking nude only? Full nudity, open leg shots. Some masturbation/toys. What is the average age of the models? 18 - 23 Is your material 100% exclusive? the models are not exclusive, but the content is. What kind of resolution for the photo sets? 300dpi from your typical digital camera. Photos are sized down (for web) from about 4000x2500 pixels. Do you have any vids? No | |
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| 12-22-08 07:20pm - 5805 days | #8 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
If you want to get some cash flow you will want to consider videos, even if they are just of the photoshoots for now. Also, please skip over the quality evolution and just go straight for the good stuff. Have a few months worth of updates already there. I do not want it to feel like it was the first month of operation. Another thought is to make a special offer. For those who join up during the first month, give them a deal. And make the deal stick. Lets say $10 that recurs at $10 as long as we stick around. This will make it easier for us to justify sticking around for a smaller site, and give you some cash coming in right away. Otherwise, we will either only joining for a single month, or will wait until the amount of content grows. Either way you get less money. Keep the adds out of the way! They piss us off, and if they flash or anything like that we will pee on your house! :) Another biggie is to keep a fast pace update schedule. You cant be half assed here. Photos should be at least 5 days per week. We are greedy people, and dial up is dead! The more you work (look at naked girls!) the more updates you can have and the more customers you will have. The more you update the faster you become established. By the way. I wish you much luck on your venture here. I would love for you to get a quality site up and running. If you continue to turn to PUs for suggestions we will be able to help form you into a formidable porn site. Lastly, if you put download limits and make your site download manager unfriendly we will simply kill you, then pee on your house! :) A definite NO-NO. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 12-22-08 09:25pm - 5805 days | #9 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:23pm | |
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| 12-22-08 09:39pm - 5805 days | #10 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User  Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
My thoughts: Don't downsize the photos. If they are 4000x2500 pixels, straight from camera, use them that size. Or do what alot of places do add a normal res (downsized) and a hi res (straight from camera). I'd say update atleast 3 times a week. And also have to agree on the adding vids part. Even if it's nothing more then interviews/behind the scenes of photo shoots to start with. Of course no DRM. And videos will also need to be good quality and preferably, 2 quality's. One HD and one lower quality for lower PC's. As for add's. I have no problem with them, as long as they aren't huge flashing banners. Or do what some sites do and make them a whole separate section by themselves. Maybe like a friends of page or something. Price: I'd say anywhere between $9.95-$14.95. And maybe to get customers, since you are a new site, have a good week long trial or something. | |
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| 12-23-08 12:24am - 5805 days | #11 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I hope we are giving you some good information to go on. Perhaps the best thing to do when trying to decide what to do is to ask yourself "if a site did this to me, would I be pissed off?" This will answer many of your questions. Of course you will get slightly differing opinions here because you are getting them from many different people, but as a whole they will reflect the opinions of your customer base. After all, we are the customer base! Most of us here take our porn pretty serious, so assuming you are serious about becoming a big name site w can be pretty useful. Definitely invest some time into reading the reviews posted here for a variety of sites. You will pick up on what we look for and expect from a good site. You will also find many small details about site design that you may or may not have considered that we nit-pick about, sch a file names and dating the updates. You will not get clear cut answers about many details here and that will ultimately be up to you. Such as, how often to update and picture resolutions. But, many things will be clear. Do not use DRM, update regularly, do not overcharge, do not use an insane amount of advertising, and keep navigation simple. The biggest thing is to keep your ear to the users. Ultimately, we decide who does well and who sinks. When we are happy, you are happy. BIG HINT....if you get Amy Reid to do a photo set or especially a video for you....I will throw money at you! "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 12-23-08 04:11am - 5805 days | #12 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
Good luck with your venture and I go along with most of what these guys here say. Your project sounds similar to mine when I started except I'm video orientated. I started with just 12 videos (wish it could have been more like 50 or so) and I've updated with 1 video per week. But its not just the current updating schedule that's important... you need to be able to keep a schedule running for up to a year while the site builds its membership and contacts. If not many join up in that first 6-12 months can you keep the updates coming? Do you shoot the pics? If so, that will give you an advantage IMO. Riffy www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 12-23-08 09:26am - 5805 days | #13 | |
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williamj (0)
Active User Posts: 102 Registered: Sep 29, '07 Location: usa |
If you have to ask this question, my advice would be not to start a porn site. Will | |
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| 12-23-08 10:46am - 5805 days | #14 | |
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Star138 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 6 Registered: Dec 22, '08 |
Well, thanks williamj. That was very helpful. You should start your own advice column. Anyway.. you guys are awesome. Of course, I won't be able to digest most of this information until after the holidays.. (dayjobs are great, eh?) But, I've gotten more answers than I had questions, which is a good thing! =) Back to work for me. Until next time. | |
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| 12-23-08 11:27am - 5805 days | #15 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
First as an answer to your initial question - I'm a bit more lenient on content quantities assuming the quality is there. So if they are unique, high quality photos - I'd say at least 10 girls and at least 20 sets. As for commentary on the above data I quoted: Everyone has already pointed out that the full resolution photos should be made available, so I'll just add a hear-hear to that. I did want to point out that unless you are exceptionally good at Photoshop, I'd recommend doing minimal work on the photos - just color correction and cropping really. Bad clone brush work can ruin otherwise good photos and any porn freak will expect imperfections in the models. "There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion." (I bet Francis Bacon didn't think that would be used regularly to describe porn.) Also - you mentioned that the photos sets have around 55 photos each - is that all the photos you took or just all those that remained after editorial perusal? ALS Scan made the error when they were starting out of limiting their sets to only the photos they thought were the absolute best. Obviously you want to cut out the shots with the really unattractive facial expressions - but some of the candid shots can really be very telling about the model and be quite endearing. Even shots that are exceptionally similar to each other, the subtle differences can provide a story. Long story short, I'd try to get that average photos per set up to about at least 100. 200 or more would be preferred. I'm guessing that since you are hiring and photographing these models that you take at least 300 photos of them - maybe 500. So 55 is being a seriously tough critic. More is better and will make joy joy feelings in your customers. As for pricing - $14.95 seems very fair, but do note that if you want to get publicity you need to setup an affiliate system for review sites and thumbnail gallery posts to use as this seems to be how the porn industry funds its advertising. I personally loathe in site advertising and would highly recommend not doing it as it always seems to indicate a lack of faith in one's own product. None-the-less, if you do, make sure to avoid any sort of animated banner ads, we will know they are ads and if you make an effort to point out these are also sites that you recommend, not just any ol' random site that will send you money for a link, then we may follow through the link and join. The absolute worst in site advertising is for those adult dating sites - they are exceptionally intrusive. As for the video comments people have been making - video is seriously a two edged sword. On one hand, it can really draw customers in, as people love video - but it also eats up server space and bandwidth like no tomorrow. Anyway, good luck with your project - I always like to hear about new porn sites being created! "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 12-23-08 12:33pm - 5805 days | #16 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
Toadsith got me thinking about something. I myself prefer around 75 photos per set and really don't care to see ones where they look identical except for some small difference. I would say no matter who many you have, allow the users the option for all thumbnails on one page. I know dial up'ers may not like it but nothing pisses me off more then sites like Teen Dreams or ALS Scans, where they have 100-200+ photos per set but only 10-20 thumbnails per page. As then you have to go through 10+ pages of thumbnails. | |
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| 12-23-08 12:48pm - 5805 days | #17 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Jeffrey99 has a very good point there - I second that. Adjustable viewing of the number of thumbnails per page is really useful. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 12-23-08 12:54pm - 5805 days | #18 | |
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williamj (0)
Active User Posts: 102 Registered: Sep 29, '07 Location: usa |
Well thank you young man. My point is if you don't have a marketing strategy AKA business plan that you're working off of your not going to be successful. You need to write a business plan and have the proper funding in a budget in order to have a chance at being successful. Will | |
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| 12-23-08 01:23pm - 5805 days | #19 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
Oh and of course this wee lot is important but you've probably got this sorted anyways... Good Lawyer Good Webguy unless you know what you're doing Good hosting company www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 12-23-08 02:30pm - 5805 days | #20 | |
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Star138 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 6 Registered: Dec 22, '08 |
really, it was just a question to get an idea of what other people had to say about it. and i thought it was silly to say that because i'm asking such a question, i shouldn't be doing what i'm doing.. despite the fact that i may have everything else in place. this isn't the first business i'm started, and it certainly won't be the last. so, when it comes to getting a good lawyer, finding a good accountant, incorporating a business name, designing and programming a website with a database-backend system, writing a business plan, finding potential models, taking quality photos, researching for a good hosting company and many sleepless night putting it all together.. i think i'm good =) and really, i'm not so young anymore.. =) | |
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| 12-23-08 03:53pm - 5805 days | #21 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 12-23-08 07:33pm - 5804 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I wish you luck in your venture, but I must say that after reading your posts. You may be in for a tough road ahead. This is not just a porn forum, but one of possible future customers. If you have not done so yet, I would recommend you read other post. You will understand where Wittyguy is coming from about us being somewhat more informed then some other surfers. The fact that this isn't the first business you start could mean that you failed at the prior ones. Maybe because you didn't listen to good advice. The cost of starting a website today is very expensive, and even with everything going great. You are not likely to make any money in the first year. You should consider yourself lucky to break even. Are you prepared for that? The site you describe is just like 100's of others. Go take a look at the reviewed photography sites at TBP to give you an idea of your competition. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 12-23-08 09:00pm - 5804 days | #23 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Indeed. Do keep in mind that we customers have the pleasure of always getting the last laugh in. So lets all try to get along. WittyGuy is very correct about being defensive. One must be careful when confronting a group of porn addicts whom have gotten to know and trust each other on a topic such as porn. That would be like arguing with Mike Tyson about how to properly bite someone's ear. So, now that we have established that you know what you are talking about and are simply looking for "expert advice" from us self proclaimed "porn experts" please direct some more specific questions at us. We will bitch amongst ourselves for a day or two, call you incompetent, and eventually give you a reasonable answer. :) Seriously though, do feel free to question us and get our input. If you take our suggestions to heart and incorporate them into your site where reasonable, we will notice it and reflect this in our reviews. As it is, I dont think Williamj will be getting that special discount we were talking about! :) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 12-24-08 12:55pm - 5804 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I believe you can have a meaningful converstion with Mike. You just have to limit the discussion to the proper way of preparing ears. I can guarantee that once you start you are likely to get an earfull from Mike. Sorry I couldn't help myself. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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