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| 06-15-10 10:39pm - 5303 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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pornwatcher (0)
Suspended Posts: 51 Registered: Jun 25, '08 Location: US |
Has anyone been sued for downloading pirated porn? Do the porn studios go as far as Hollywood Studios in pursuing those who downloaded their contents illegally? Have you ever heard of somebody who received a letter from porn studios demanding compensation or else they will see you in court? I have seen some paid porn sites like VideoBox or VideosZ who charge like 20 or 30 dollars per month and you can download as many porn as you want ripped from DVDs. Are these sites legal? | |
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| 06-16-10 07:01am - 5303 days | #2 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
The internet is a VAST blast of freedom, including piracy - and how could "they" ever pursue the enormous amount of porn ripped off from just about anywhere and placed on the "net".??? The main question is, though: Who will go through that awesome trouble to rip off good material - and risk virus, low quality and end up mostly with a bad result - you can use rapidshare, hotfile, sharingmatrix and what not - guess it's not the way for many PUs - but Bottomline - those few dollars spend on the real (pay) thing is generally well spend... BTW, pornwatcher mentions VideoBox and VideosZ - it's all licensed material, as I know it... And take a look at most of the material at those two sites: material that can be bought on sale for a dollar for a DVD down at the corner shop. BUT, but, but: The ongoing development of the net can soon give serious changes for us PUs and especially the pay sites - the freedom, like some would call it - and others: the rip off will grow and no law can stop it - unless we're in North Korea or (maybe) China. And the way to rip off porn from pay sites will definitely become much more common - AND that again could result in much less GOOD Porn - because those producers got to make some kind of money - but maybe a lot less than today - only time will show..... How will this end? Any ideas? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Jun 16, 2010, 07:36am | |
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| 06-16-10 08:36am - 5303 days | #3 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
I would say we are already there. Pretty much any video from any paysite can be found and downloaded for free. I dont mean a low quality version, I mean the exact same file that you download from the paysite. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 06-16-10 12:33pm - 5303 days | #4 | |
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Yariana (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 56 Registered: Mar 10, '10 Location: Salem Oregon |
Someone has to produce all this porn. It cost a lot of money to produce porn. If so much of it continues to be pirated at the rate it is, it will eventually put producers out of business then where will people find the porn to pirate. Seriously, being a producer I can tell you that the piracy of porn is hurting producers. But on the other hand, many of my members refuse to go to these free porn sites because of the threat of contracting a computer virus. The problem is that most producers try to sue the tube sites instead of going after those that downloaded the materials and then uploaded them to other sites. This is highly illegal because those stealing the material then distributing it for free are placing themselves in a position of being a porn distributor, therefore they are required to have the 2257 age compliant documents. If they did not produce the materials and do not have a license to distribute them, they are breaking Federal law by not only stealing, but distributing pornography without 2257 documentation. This is the approach I am taking and I know it is catching on with other producers. IP addresses are traceable, whether a person is uploading or downloading. Once the porn industry catch's on to this most simple concept (and it will) and starts pursuing the pirating offenders themselves instead of the tube and share sites, we will see a decrease in pirated porn. I myself am pursuing this option with a vengeance. Currently, when a tube/share site is sued their defense is that they did not know the user uploaded it. Fine, go after the user. Once news gets out that users are facing Federal charges, it will have a sufficient effect of at least slowing down piracy. I am testing out this theory. My attorney is seeking a subpoena on a tube site to obtain the IP address of a user. Once obtained I will bring charges against the user. The tube site did get scared and took down my videos. Edited on Jun 16, 2010, 12:37pm | |
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| 06-16-10 07:05pm - 5303 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
My problem with all the tube sites is that the only way they can make money is by advertising paying sites since they aren't making money from offering free videos. This may sound like a stupid questions but why are paying sites advertising on tube sites? Unless i am very wrong. The cost of server is pretty high and if you have a lot of traffic then you need bigger servers which means more money. if they aren't making money from advertising then sooner or later the tube site will go out of business. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 06-16-10 07:16pm - 5303 days | #6 | |
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markfx (0)
Active User Posts: 21 Registered: Sep 28, '09 Location: Oakland, Ca |
I received this one time and no further action was taken. Dear Comcast High-Speed Internet Subscriber: Comcast has received a notification by a copyright owner, or its authorized agent, reporting an alleged infringement of one or more copyrighted works made on or over Comcast's High-Speed Internet service (the 'Service'). The copyright owner has identified the Internet Protocol ('IP') address associated with your Service account at the time as the source of the infringing works. The works identified by the copyright owner in its notification are listed below. Comcast reminds you that use of the Service (or any part of the Service) in any manner that constitutes an infringement of any copyrighted work is a violation of Comcast's Acceptable Use Policy and may result in the suspension or termination of your Service account. I subsequently deleted the file and torrent... | |
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| 06-16-10 09:19pm - 5303 days | #7 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Well, you cases like the fact that the people who own Brazzers also own and operate a tube site, so that's why they advertise on it. You also have tube sites that just sign up for a website's affiliate program. Then you have the adult dating services and scam websites that are looking for traffic any way they can get it and are willing to pay for it. | |
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| 06-17-10 04:31am - 5302 days | #8 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
Good luck with that, we all know how well it turned out for the MPAA and RIA when they started suing their (potential) customers. While of course I agree you have the right to protect your IP, suing your average porn pirate is most certainly not the way forward. Porn has always found new and inovitive ways to use new technology, why cant some of that forward thinking be applied to the protection of your content? The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 07-08-10 03:26pm - 5281 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
In any case a lot of it will be out of the jurisdiction of US law, surely? Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 07-08-10 04:30pm - 5281 days | #10 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I've found that, in the vast majority of cases, simply sternly requesting that my content is removed does the trick. It's not that simple though. Even stolen content can lead to more sales. The problem comes when my stuff is modified to hide where it came from, or worse a site steals a block of my content and presents as though that's all of it (so people don't bother looking for the source). I'm working on providing my customers with a bigger experience than just the content, and that's much harder to pirate. I am constantly acting to get my content removed from other sites, but there are more sites starting every second and there is no way I can be aware of or check any meaningful number of them. Combine that with Captain's point of legal jurisdiction problems and I don't think stopping piracy is a viable aim. Maybe educating the public so they know what they are missing out on would be a better approach in the longterm. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 07-08-10 10:41pm - 5280 days | #11 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
Interesting perspective Ed, I must say that I rarely use the tube sites unless looking for specific content, and at least two times I can think of content on a tube site led me to join the site. So I do think if the material is properly sourced they can be great advertising, unfortunately as you say, a lot of it isn't. On the original topic, I would think if porn producers or whatever the porn equivalent to the RIAA is (if there is one) started going after people, they would just shame them into paying some representative amount for whatever they stole (similarly to what the RIAA tried to do with MP3s). Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 07-27-10 04:38pm - 5262 days | #12 | |
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killahla (0)
Active User Posts: 6 Registered: Jul 26, '10 Location: USA |
I've always wondered how those adult sites that allow users to upload movies are able to get away with it without being shut down. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for free porn, but from a legal aspect, it just doesn't seem feasible. | |
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| 07-28-10 05:16am - 5261 days | #13 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Ed. Now that is a guy with a level head. Very good posting. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 07-30-10 04:20pm - 5259 days | #14 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Here is an interesting article relevant to this topic: http://news.gofightlive.tv/2010/07/ufc%c...-streaming-websites/ On July 24, 2010, Zuffa, LLC, the parent company of the UFC, served subpeona's on 2 streaming video websites, demanding that they reveal the identies of the people that have uploaded video of live Pay-per-view UFC events. | |
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| 07-30-10 10:49pm - 5258 days | #15 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Digital Millennium Copyright Act. And more specifically, the Safe Harbor rule. Basically, it says that it's up to the copyright holder to enforce their copyright, and the site is not liable for copyright violations for what the users upload as long as they remove the content when they're informed it violates copyright. It's the same reason Youtube doesn't get sued when people put whole TV shows and songs/music videos on there. | |
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| 07-31-10 06:22am - 5258 days | #16 | |
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GlassHouse (0)
Active User Posts: 3 Registered: Jul 30, '10 |
Are there any figures by porn site owners that reveal if and how badly paysite revenues are being hit by these tube sites? | |
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| 07-31-10 07:56am - 5258 days | #17 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User  Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
There are no better figures than there are for movies or software. Not everyone who steals something would shell out the money to buy it when there are cheaper or free alternatives. | |
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| 08-01-10 10:10pm - 5256 days | #18 | |
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Doug62 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 19 Registered: May 08, '07 |
I found this on the World Sex News website. It is from the New York Times website. http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/20...g-porn-a-guest-post/ Edited on Aug 01, 2010, 10:15pm | |
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| 08-03-10 03:00pm - 5255 days | #19 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Very interesting article, Doug62. Hopefully the industry will be able to tweak its business model to make short clips and tube sites profitable, because porn and its insatiable demand are not going anywhere as long as there are humans on this planet to make, uh, 'use' of it. I do wish the industry well though because I don't want to have my porn choices limited to thousands of amateurs with shoddy equipment and just a bedroom/home office in which to shoot, even though it feels like many 'professionals' have been that way for years. And like any article on porn, one of the first comments already has some dick who "would like the porn business to go under," even in a paper like the New York Times (considered fairly progressive within the 'mainstream' media). Then what was that person doing reading the article? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-21-10 03:00am - 5237 days | #20 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
It is a useful angle to turn something that it is tricky or impossible to stop to advantage. Ultimately, doesn't that benefit all parties? Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-21-10 06:25am - 5237 days | #21 | |
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Sevrin (0)
Active User Posts: 80 Registered: May 30, '10 |
Articles about porn are blogged about on family values websites as much, if not more than they are on sites like this one. Besides, not all Christians are right-wingers, just like some porn fans can be fascists. The level of technology that enables porn-sharing is the same one that has led to an explosion in sexting and other types of widespread amateur porn production. If anything, amateur porn is a more insidious problem for porn foes than professionally made porn, so the downfall of professional porn isn't a good thing for the family values lobby at all. Like rock'n'roll, porn will never die. | |
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| 08-22-10 05:48am - 5236 days | #22 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I hope you're not calling me fascist.  Even when it comes to porn I try to be quite democratic--'for' and 'of the people' indeed!No, not all Christians (or religious people) are right-wingers, in fact there is a whole Christian left, though it's not quite as powerful, probably because it's more about social causes than political causes. But it's hilarious how so many of those family values crowds talk so much and so passionately about porn...sounds kinda like us!
And like rock'n'roll, assuming there's a hell, it's going there, and that's where I would prefer to go too! What's a little fire and brimstone when you get to watch all the hot girls knocking booties while listening to all the good music?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Aug 23, 2010, 09:40pm | ||
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| 08-24-10 02:35pm - 5234 days | #23 | |
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shooterbo (0)
Active User  Posts: 185 Registered: Apr 25, '07 |
I got the same note, but DID payup. | |
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| 08-31-10 12:05am - 5227 days | #24 | |
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JuicyBunny (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 17 Registered: Aug 30, '10 Location: Santa Monica |
Probably a wise choice shooterbo... i know more and more companies are going after end users, their hosts and the sites hosts as well as credit card companies...and thankfully it is starting to work a little. at least some porn companies are starting to see modest income from content theft prosecutions or threats thereof... I dont think intention is to bankrupt downloaders or uploaders just teach them that stealing copyrighted digital material is a crime, in most countries...except Sweden, lol. to learn more check this site takedownpiracy.com the brazzers pieces are quite enlightening... JuicyBunnyCash.com | |
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| 10-23-10 08:03am - 5174 days | #25 | |
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znwtg (0)
Active User Posts: 17 Registered: Aug 09, '09 Location: USA |
Apparently Larry Flint/Hustler is suing individual downloaders. http://www.xbiznewswire.com/view.php?id=126370 | |
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