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| 06-27-13 05:40pm - 4196 days | #625 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
They were originally listed on TBP but are currently not available, which is why I think TBP/PU delisted them. Hopefully they will be back soon. | |
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| 06-26-13 08:30am - 4197 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Yes, I have been following that one and making comments. Should we not be batting for porn users as a whole? If I realise there's a pre checked cross should I not worry providing the site doesn't have other dubious practices. Are my comments too harsh or unfair on that thread? Judge Squirrel : "Guilty, guilty, guilty. Never have I found a more dishonest, disreptutable, disingenuous, lying, lowlife piece of human detritus, in my entire existence. I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until dead." Barrister Fairbrother : "But that's the witness, Your Honour." Judge Squirrel : "That's a very poor excuse. Take him away." | |
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| 06-26-13 07:47am - 4197 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I would say they can never be too tall, but they can be too short. I prefer 5' and over. I guess if they're 7' that's a little tall, but I've always found tall women attractive. That 50 foot woman was a babe. It also brings up questions about beauty and sexuality. For instance, you see a pretty face but the body is thin and bony. I find that an instant turn off, but still find the face beautiful and attractive. Out of proportion legs can also look very strange. The girl can look beautiful but not sexy. Maybe there's something that looks childlike about short women, or women with short legs, or women who are very thin. I have always found hairy pussies to be a turn off. Give me shaved, perfumed, and groomed. Female smell a turn on? Forget it. Breasts on the other hand, I like to be reasonably big but don't mind if they're small. What I don't like is fake. Maybe that is strange considering I like shaved, groomed, and smelling sweet, because that is unnatural too. Edited on Jun 26, 2013, 08:21am | |
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| 06-25-13 05:43pm - 4198 days | #5 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I'm hoping you can salvage the majority of your material. If it's irreplaceable it hurts. Non porn fans wouldn't understand that. It's a hobby and some of us are collectors, even though it's just porn, it's a collection. Gotta get that drive. Good luck with the rescue operation. | |
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| 06-25-13 05:22am - 4199 days | #17 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I think genuine softcore still has enough supporters to be supported. I thought there was a lot around but it's something I don't collect. For me there are some great softcore photos on TeenCoreClub and 21Sextury, but they are hardcore networks. I remember collecting old mags like Mayfair, which had some good softcore material, but the airbrushing was always irritating. Possibly that is what a lot of softcore fans want, something close to that original softcore men's magazine look. | |
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| 06-25-13 05:17am - 4199 days | #3 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
It's sad to hear this. It takes too long to collect, and the best porn is something you don't want to lose. It is irreplaceable if the site is long gone, so what I do when I download, is to very quickly transfer to two externals. I make the time to do one after the other so I always have at least one backup, because I know they are going to eventually fail. Hope you manage to salvage that material elephant. | |
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| 06-24-13 07:12pm - 4199 days | #14 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
True about the majority, but if there are enough who are into a certain niche it's reasonably likely someone will come along and cater to that niche. Fortunes have been made by people looking for a niche and then catering to it. I think it is bound to come along, as long as there's a market, even if it's a minority. Even a minority can mean a lot of money online, because that can still mean a lot of people. I have to say I thought softcore fans had a lot of material to choose from. I suppose I am lucky in having reasonably broad taste, and quite liking mainstream. I think some of the stuff I have seen this year and last from big mainstream names has been little short of sensational. Hang on, isn't a camisole an umbrella? You kinky bastard. | |
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| 06-24-13 04:50pm - 4199 days | #12 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I always thought softcore photography was better than it's hardcore cousin. Maybe it's only great for hardcore fans at the moment. I didn't think it was that bad in the softcore area Capn, and obviously porn fans like Messmer are left out in the cold too. I like mainstream hardcore so am catered for magnificently, which is why I'm puzzled about some of the negativity. It would be nice to think fans of some of those uncovered niches outside mainstream, will be catered for eventually. | |
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| 06-24-13 10:06am - 4199 days | #10 | |||
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
We don't agree with this one completely. Flooding the market with DIY guy and a camera stuff may take money out of the pockets of others, but the market tends to adjust. It is merely natural selection. Plenty earn a decent living out of it, even if they don't, once again market forces will dictate. A lot of people have to take two jobs nowadays to make ends meet. Depends on your standard of living and whether you have expensive taste. You're much more worried about this than I am.
My view on pre checked cross sells tends to be similar to that concerning new sites with old material. What they spend in one place they wont be able to spend in another. It's why free sites and tube sites don't bother me that much. In fact I think they are excellent for seeing what is available at which site. Go there and find out the site where the best material is available. That's not to say that free material doesn't bleed some money from the porn industry, I just find the effect to be wildly exaggerated and over estimated, so we don't agree on that one.
Again we disagree on this one to a certain extent. It's not that there isn't some truth in the argument, it's just wildly exaggerated imo. Anyone interested in quality and who has the money will be going to quality sites, paying and downloading. If they don't have the money they will download for free, but they were never likely to pay anyway. In fact free porn site have generated my interest in some sites. They are a brlliant and usseful guide for me. I tend to think people are over negative. Look at what we have available now. It's a paradise of porn. Hmm come to think of it I do use free porn forums now more that I use PU to enable me to choose between the wheat and the chaff, however I do always use the TBP/PU link. I've used the argument about pre checked cross selling before but it's worth repeating: If customers get tricked they not only blow their money in one place, they will be wary of ever trusting a site with their details again. I am not going to pretend that pre checked cross selling or regional discrimination or any dirty tricks are armageddon for the porn industry, they are just one factor. At least there's some action on the forum. Edited on Jun 24, 2013, 10:38am | |||
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| 06-24-13 06:11am - 4200 days | #8 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
This wont come as a brutal shock, but a few earning millions while the rest earn a crust, is the norm. That sums up most companies, industry, and life. Porn is no exception. I agree about those setting up new sites with old material in a way. You could say it is yet another dirty trick to dodge when signing up. It doesn't concern me that much personally, because I am very thorough when deciding on who to join, but we do want to see the best survive. I don't blame them for trying and I find that practice less dishonest than pre checked cross selling. It's not that I don't see the current position as less healthy than three years ago, but porn is one of the few constants, one of the few money earners, no matter how bad times are. The trough isn't infinite, and a few going broke doesn't concern me. The industry is contracting, but it's up to the porn user to make sure we support the right ones, and ensure they survive, rather than the dirty tricks con artists. We shouldn't be seeing tons of new material at $9.99 and expect to see everyone in the porn industry a millionaire. We need a decent price for decent material. As a porn lover I obviously love the low prices, but they cannot and shouldn't last. There will be less new material available in the future, which isn't a bad thing. Consider this: One update on Team Skeet would have cost me $60-100 on video 30 years ago. The quality would have been crap too. There is a little to be concerned about, but much to be positive about. Edited on Jun 24, 2013, 06:15am | |
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| 06-23-13 05:03pm - 4200 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I don't blame "new" sites with old material setting up shop, because it's what VideoBox have been doing for years. Recycling is fine, and there's still more new stuff out there than you can hope to see, even if you spend all day and all night viewing. There's a lot of the new heartcore stuff, 21 Sextury, and Teen Mega World still do updates, there's Kink, Diesel, Team Skeet have a couple of new sites with new material, which doesn't mean times aren't hard in porn, but there's still the proverbial boatload of money in porn because there always has been. Sex and porn sells. There are too many sites doing the same thing, not that I mind that. I don't think I could realistically watch most of the material I have downloaded through from beginning to end, without shutting myself away in a room for the next 20 years and doing nothing but viewing porn, and I consider myself to be selective. That's without downloading any more. Dodgy practices don't help either. The whole industry gets tarred with the same brush when you hear of people being ripped off, but more and more ex reputable names are now using pre checked cross selling and other dirty tricks. Sites are going bust but there's a recession on. Even in recession there's enough money to be made from porn to enable quite a few to still get their snouts in the trough, but it isn't an infinite trough. It's a shame to see some go, but there's still room for 20 reasonably good porn sites. How many are there in the A-Z? Too many would be my answer. I'm with Graymane on this one. I'm not feeling too sorry for the porn industry at this moment. My instinct tells me they're doing just fine, earning a boatload. Let the healthy ones with quality survive, let the weak, those with out of date camerawork, lighting, and material, and those with dodgy practices go to the wall. I wont lose any sleep over that. Addtition - Here's another thing. I have done my "you've never had it so good porn fans," thing a number of times, but it still very much applies. There's tons of it out there at ridiculously low prices, and porn sites have been making a bundle because they can sell subscriptions to so many on the internet. There's too much negativity, scaremongering, and whingeing. It's just porn, it will always be with us, but we are passing through an age where never before has there been so much readily available, at so little. Even if we lose 90% of internet porn sites, that leaves more than enough. In fact I would quite like to see porn become short again in a way because some people (and I include myself in this) have become too blase about porn, too fussy, too jaded, too over exposed to it, and whinge far too much. Edited on Jun 23, 2013, 05:22pm | |
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| 06-21-13 05:38am - 4203 days | #11 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
This is a good point. What I want to see is members still doing those reviews of the same sites because online porn has changed a great deal over the last 5-6 years. Twistys, Teen Pink, Video Box, ZTOD, ATK, Karups, and DDF to name a few examples, were huge names and had a number of reviews, but how do they match up against today's front runners? Things are changing, with differing numbers of updates, HD and better quality video, photos all looking the same, and dirty tricks which weren't used before by reputable sites. What I'm saying is we still need to be informed, so reviews are useful for telling us how good sites are relative to their contemporaries. Things have changed in porn but members don't want to do reviews of those same sites. The only thing that kept them doing that was the raffle, and reviews make money for PU. The early days of PU are over, and it is maturing. If PU survives, it will be interesting to see how it evolves. Edited on Jun 21, 2013, 05:45am | |
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| 06-20-13 02:53pm - 4203 days | #8 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
One thing about the forum, it stands alone. Contributions to the forum never affected the raffle, so in a way it is the most honest of the sections on PU. It would be nice to see a few more active members. | |
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| 06-20-13 11:06am - 4203 days | #5 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Yes well said RB. I can see both points of view, but time will tell. It will be interesting to see what Rick and co do next. It is possible the lack of raffle will mean more quality. | |
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| 06-20-13 07:15am - 4203 days | #5 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Thanks for the kind words Graymane. Like yourself, I go for quality over quantity any day, and it was only the end of the raffle that inspired me to do my two recent reviews. It's good to see there are still a few good regulars like yourself still around. As RB says in the other thread, maybe we shouldn't be panicking. | |
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| 06-19-13 06:31pm - 4204 days | #3 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
In answer to your question - both I hope. I got back earlier than expected so was able to spend a couple of hours finishing off the review. What are the chances of a 100 word review being posted in the next few hours? Pretty good, even in these quiet times for PU. | |
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Seriously, a very good upcoming review. No way could I stretch a review out for weeks. I just notes down the old fashioned way, using a pen and paper, and bang something out here in usually about 30 to 40 minutes. Though looking at your list has given me the idea that the old "What Should a PU Review include" thread since it's a little out of date. Probably not going to happen soon though.| 06-19-13 08:12am - 4204 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
The forum and everywhere else is quiet. As I have said before I didn't intend doing any more reviews for quite some time. I'm only a semi regular, but with the raffle being ended, having a perverse character I decided to do another review I hadn't originally intended. Then I decided to do another one. I usually take ages to do these. Over a period of weeks I jot down pros, cons, and bottom lines and eventully put it all together. I think I have earned some time off recently and working on this today is probably good for me. A nice relaxing stress free way to spend the afternoon. Below is the file as it looks now, with spelling mistakes and a jumbled up bunch of thoughts which I intend to eventually put together and form a hopelly intelligent review. Things will change but this is how it looks at the moment. pros No DRM, download limits, or pre checked cross selling. Beautiful amateur girls in a mixture of shape size and colour. Genuinely amateur and individual content with its own style. Exclusive material and most of the girls will not be seen elsewhere. Lighting good considering the niche. Good streaming. Good download speed. Zipped pics. Named files. Good home pages and navigation. Still updating, with date of update. Easy log in, site remembers your details, with only an easy to see word to copy. Good customer oriented feel. cons Poor exchange rate with CCBill sign up. Male lead can be a bit irritating at times. One type of material. No network of sites bonus. A few too many fake breasts, and especially tattoos. Condoms becoming more common. Blurred face of male can sometimes spoil action. Some bad camera action and views. Can be amateurish. Pics old 1400x937 new 1280x720 1400x788 640x360 3270 kbps 768x432 6178 kbps 768x432 4064 kbps This is one of the few sites where old pictures have higher spec than the new ones, and may be because the new ones are screencaps rather than genuine photos. Old ones are genuine photos, and some of the bonus content involved behind the scenes content where you could see these being taken. I love that sort of stuff, but sadly newer updates don't have any of that, although the main videos always have a certain behind the scenes flavour due to the nature of the content. Bonus material is thin compared to major networks. Membership gives access to Backroom Casting Couch, (on a quality par with ECG, and is a very good bonus site) and Net Video Girls plus some free movies. This isn't a network, it's a standalone DIY site so you wouldn't expect much extra. It's a rare niche, with quality material, beautiful girls, and given the one man show plus camera it's done in a professional enough way to show the girls off to maximum effect. It does a very good job of doing an amateur thing in a very professional way. I know this view wont go down well with some members of PU, but it is just my opinion. I think the guy does a great job, even though he may not win any humanitarian awards or upstanding church goer of the month awards...or he might, we don't know who he is, as his face is blurred out, something that can sometimes detract from the action. Some PU ers have referred to the male lead as a sleaze ball from what I can remember, yet there hare no dirty tricks on sign up or cancellation, no drm, dl limits, or pre checked cross selling. What you see and are led to expect is very much what you do get. In fact the whole site is easy to use and seems to be designed for the customer. You can't say that about many. The login is easy. Your membership details and password are remembered, with an easy to see simple word to copy. Navigation is great, with quite detailed previews of what the update is like, plus a long written summary about the shoot. You may not like the main man's tone, but you can't say he doesn't put in the effort. Photos are zippped, download speeds are fast, and files are numbered. It's a semi professional job, If this is the future of porn, with semi amateur girls, and semi professional shooting, done on a budget, I would be happy with that. I don't think it is, but what he is doing works for him, and for me. This is close to the real thing. Reality, with some very attractive amateurs who look sexy. That isn't easy to do. Even the pros get it wrong more often than not, so hats off to ECG. Picture and video quality wont exactly please the Hi def fans, with new video spec being 768x432 at 4000-6000kbps and the slightly older ones being 640x360 at 3000-4500 kbps. Even the newer videos already look prehistoric, but then this isn't about high pristine quality with fantastic lighting and models looking like they've been dipped in bronze, it's abou tone man and a camera, and at it's most high tech, one man and two cameras, with occasional help from a mate. You get plenty of build up, dressing, undressing, walking around naked and semi naked. Last time I counted there were 286 girls, and there have been a couple of updates since then. They say they started in 2005. More recent shoots are dated but earlier ones are not. I think the earliest date I can remember seeing is 2009. When I recently visited then clicked to leave the page I received a cut price offer from CCBill, which I accepted. Despite that, the CCBill poor exchange rate is one that really pisses me off, and is close to regional discrimination. It's ripping off customers, but at least I received a cut price rate. When I went to cancel my subscription I received another cut price offer, which I almost accepted. The only thing that made me turn it down was I don't have the time to download let alone watch much porn at the moment. It certainly isn't a reflection on the quality of ECG, which I very much like. When I have time in a few months I may well return. It's just an opinion but this is as real as it gets. The next door girl types are the type of girls you wish were living next door. There is a lack of gloss and has an amateur feel, but at the same time is professionally lit, edited, and photographed well enough to be erotic. For me it''s an excellent blend of professionalism and DIY amateurism. Yes there have been comments about the guy being a douche bag, but given the abuse, both verbal and physical, some girls get on mainstream sites, this is relatively mild by comparison. It does vary but generally I found streaming facilities to be excellent. I often get quality streaming at peak times when on other sites (VideoBox for instance) it's impossible to get a picture. This is obviously a very individual and polarised niche. You get access to Backroom Casting Couch and Netvideogirls, which are both the same sort of material. If you don't like amateur casting you wont like these sites, so a membership is worthless. A recent addition is the split screen view, where you see both the model's face and the other end at the same time. It's not a bad addition as long as it's not overdone. Sometimes the two screens seem to get in the way of one another. There is a limited amount of material so navigation is relatively easy. The models are listed both chronolgically and alphabetically. There are a few scenes with condoms which I hate, but they probably only make up about 10-15% of the clips. One thing I noted was that when I went to the sign up page then closed the window, I received a $5 off offer if I joined now. That worked out at �17.44 for 30 days. Edited on Jun 19, 2013, 08:19am | |
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| 06-14-13 04:39pm - 4209 days | #42 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I agree somewhat with Cybertoad. I suspect there were conversations in the background about finishing PU, but after deciding to carry on it's been a case of having to wing it, as costs had to be cut and there was no time to think of anything. I did touch on this point a year ago https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...d.html?threadid=3043 "I am a little worried about PU surviving in the current financial climate. I have to admit I have been thinking PU may close its doors this year or next, but would love to be wrong" Not sure whether that makes me a smart ass, smart, an ass, or all three. | |
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| 06-13-13 07:38am - 4210 days | #32 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Here's another suggestion. The old Clint Eastwood line runs "opinions are like assholes, everbody has one," so here's some more unwanted drivel. To sell, you need good reviews. You need to separate the rookie reviews with less detail that wont sell sites, from the more experienced better ones. Let the rookies grow, and then graduate to the experienced section. Either that and/or have separate sections for dvd, networks, teen. Yes I KNOW you have filters, I'm not talking about filters I'm talking about different sections with their own personality. | |
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| 06-13-13 06:50am - 4210 days | #31 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I'm doing one review I wasn't intending on doing. If all regulars do the same it will help income a little. I realise as we all do that TBP/PU is a business, but it's one that caters for us, and in many respects given the discounts and raffle winnings, it is one that benefits us. | |
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| 06-12-13 09:05am - 4211 days | #11 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Oh I have plenty of complaints, but that one goes top of the list. What goes for the porn industry goes for big business too. As far as I'm concerned you can lump Nike, Barclays, and McDonalds in with porn sites and general scumbags I can't stand and don't trust. Wouldn't most big corporations just love to be in the same bracket as sleaze ball degenerate scumbags? They are. | |
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| 06-12-13 07:37am - 4211 days | #9 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Thanks gray one, and thanks for bringing this up because it makes my teeth grate every time I see it. JBerry said "The fact that the provider tells you up front they are going to renew your membership if you don't cancel is basically a good business model. No favors intended but rather keep the revenue streaming. I would think that every participating pornusers member would know this." Yes, agreed, but it's the pretence they are doing it for your convenience that makes my teeth grate. Thank you for bringing this up Graymane because it illustrates the industry attitude, and is the reason I have the attitude I have, towards the industry. If they treat us all like idiots on the lower end of the food chain to be exploited at will, they cannot be trusted. Edited on Jun 12, 2013, 07:41am | |
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| 06-12-13 05:30am - 4212 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Maybe we should all download for free, then send sites an email telling them that we are downloading for free to relieve them of the burden of processing our credit card details, and paying all those costly customer services representatives. I'd hate to think all that work is getting to them and leading to early death from heart attacks induced by stress. Another thing that may keep them awake at night, as they are so considerate and caring, is the possibility customers are not getting good value for money. Don't worry, when you download for free, you are. | |
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| 06-11-13 06:15pm - 4212 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
That one hasn't escaped me either. From the same people who brought you pre checked cross sales because they want to save you all that time and trouble over crossing the box, comes automatic renewal for your complete convenience and peace of mind lest, god forbid, you fail to remember to renew. I remember the Clive James comment about never trusting anyone with a hair piece because the implication is you are too stupid to realise they are wearing one. Given the comments on some sites from porn fans, yes the ones who leave comments seem to be very young and of very low intelligence, and yes I do feel vastly superior to them. I am not surprised most of the sites treat their customers like imbeciles, because a lot of them clearly are. For us here we have to ignore all the bad stuff to get some of the good stuff, but it's getting to be like a mine field of ever increasng con artistry and dirty tricks. Do I worry about ripping them off? No, fuck em. The way the industry is going and in the current climate of increasingly dodgy behaviour, I don't trust any of the bastards with my credit card details. Give me a decent site with decent management, that treats its customers with respect, and I'll show you a flying pig. Yes we know it's bullshit about them renewing for our convenience, when it's just to make more money when we forget to cancel, but for them to pretend it's for our convenience rather than extra bucks, is such transparent lies, it makes me mistrust them even more. Edited on Jun 11, 2013, 06:20pm | |
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| 06-05-13 05:42am - 4219 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I've never tried this or heard of it, but it looks like one to consider. Thanks for the tip. | |
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| 05-29-13 08:43am - 4225 days | #3 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Agreed Denner. I knew most of the regular oldies would remain faithful. For the survival of this place it remains to be seen how the lack of raffle tickets will affect the number and quality of reviews, and active new members. There will always be a latest review on the front page, but how long it stays there and how good it is, will determine the income TBP/PU receives from subscription links. | |
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| 05-20-13 08:07am - 4234 days | #7 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Not entirely dissimilar to what some of us were expecting or wanting. Let us all hope the changes are ones some of the regulars and part timers like. Sometimes the most profitable changes go against what a minority want, and obviously quite a few of us here are in the minority with our tastes. People need a break, if you continue without one, diminishing returns usually kick in. As a part timer I am hoping to retain some interest in what's going on here, so I am hoping you ally yourself with the more reputable networks and companies. Too many companies have questionable standards. It may work short term but once customers get tricked, they are very wary of handing over their credit card details again. Enjoy the graduation party - don't forget your hood and axe. | |
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| 05-17-13 03:40pm - 4237 days | #23 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
My positive rating came with this comment "Reviews have improved enormously, and are now very good indeed. Come on whoever registered that "no," do the decent thing and change it to "yes," My comment may have had nothing to do with it but you lost that one "no" vote. That brings me to another point. Some members make newbies feel welcome but occasionally some jump on them too quickly for limited reviews. No long time forum receives many new members, but at least new ones here are mainly welcomed by old hands. We could do with some more input from old original members, some of whom have almost disappeared - Wittyguy, Drooler, Toadsith, Exotics4me and there's less of Denner nowadays, although he does at least put in some appearances. Suggestions would be visits from the TBP team plus more of Rick and Khan. Messmer, Pat, Turbo, Capn and Ik do the most, which is far too few members, but compared to most long lasting forums, I suppose this is a very healthy one. I have suggested in the past a different section for experienced reviewers and newer reviewers who don't quite put in the detail. Maybe that's a useless idea, but it will take time and money for an overhaul which Rick may not want to do. PU/TBP may not survive without some new ideas, and we may be reading too much into the end of the raffle, but saving $200 a week isn't going to pay many bills. Looking at what they say "We're making cuts to a number of areas of our operation but the one that will be the most noticeable to our users is that we can no longer hold the weekly raffle." Obviously the raffle is just one of the measures, but it doesn't look good for poor old TBP/PU. Edited on May 17, 2013, 05:46pm | |
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| 05-17-13 09:37am - 4237 days | #21 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
One thing has occurred to me. As a semi or occasional regular I have been contributing less in the past couple of years. My most recent review was going to be my last for quite some while as I didn't want to put in the effort of doing it anymore. Once the raffle stops, reviews may well lessen. One upside is that may stop the newbie quick review in search of raffle tickets, so may lead to more quality. On the downside will be fewer reviews meaning less income. If I make the effort in doing just one review I wasn't going to do, and others do the same, it will help a little. It certainly wont do any harm. Any contributions once PU goes raffleless will help in the short term. | |
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| 05-17-13 06:21am - 4238 days | #19 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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There may be a little truth in this, but to blame everything on free download sites undermines the argument. This has been discussed before, and many of us think it is merely one reason. One of the others is an overload of mainstream porn. When you look at prices a few years ago it gives you an idea of how much people will pay for porn when it isn't saturating the market. Maybe Videobox started it all with low price mainstream porn. There are hundreds, come to think of it maybe thousands of porn sites and producers, just take a look at the TBP A-Z, and they're just the English speaking ones. Dodgy practices are another reason. Personally I have spent more on online porn in the past couple of years due to me checking free download forums. There is an argument free download sites generate income, and some porn producers even own free sites to generate interest. People wont pay for what they can't afford so a lot of the free downloaders aren't buying anyway. I hear there's something called a recession, which may have something to do with it. All logical reasons, but no truth is the whole truth, especially when it's just opinion. Yes Pat, in my opinion, like yours, free downloading may be a reason, but to suggest it's the only one or a big one, is just opinion, and so lopsided, it appears to undermine the argument. I hate cross selling, regional discrimination, and other dodgy practices, but I don't let those particular bees in my bonnet sway my judgement. Yes they are things that irritate us. Personally I am very thankful for free download sites as I have made several subscriptions which I wouldn't otherwise have made, and in every one of them I found some good download stuff. I try to not let things that annoy me cloud my judgement. I like free download sites but that doesn't mean they aren't partly to blame. It needs an objective rational analysis of what is happening in porn. Porn is always going to be worth a lot of money. That's just economics. Whoever works out how to make the most money out of it will survive. The rest will go to the wall. Edited on May 17, 2013, 06:37am | |
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| 05-16-13 12:43pm - 4238 days | #8 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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What Wittyguy say makes sense. I agree with virtually the whole post, so there isn't much point quoting it all. He outlines why I consider PU/TBP's days to be numbered. Unfortunate but not surprising. PU/TBP money comes from linking to porn sites and taking a cut from the join fee. The more reviews the more the income. In the office they will have been discussing income. One of the suggestions would have been advertising. I know PU/TBP is in it's own way one big advert, but it has so far steered clear of direct advertising. That would of course have its own consequences, involving impartiality. It's also very obvious the better a review, the more money PU/TBP makes. They are in dire trouble, along with parts of the porn industry, which is why immediate short term action has been taken. Sometimes short term action can hasten the demise, but it may be a choice of sink now or sink later. One thing I considered was forgetting the hazy facade of impartiality and linking up or doing a deal with a number of the best porn sites (the ones with the best reputation), and staying strong together. Porn is too cheap. Quality material should have quality prices. Together sites could produce less porn but with a higher price and more quality. It pains me to say it, but with quality you should have to be a continual member to gain access to all the material. Make a little available each month. Be up front and honest about it. Bonus material for the longer you are a member. Bonus material for TBP/PU members who have signed up to a number of porn sites or generated income maybe. Another consideration would be when members here contribute and generate income, they receive reasonable discounts from affiliate porn sites. Drawbacks are members wanting discounts would therefore give glowing reviews. Before powers that be shake their heads, it is obvious to me that TBP reviews are quite often a little too glowing anyway, so members would only be doing what TBP reviews are doing. PU has been a great idea, but great ideas don't always generate income. In the end someone else could use the same idea and with a few tweaks make some money out of it. Something needs to be done. Panicking is fine as long as it is creative. Having said all that, my ideas are usually crap because I am not creative. My brain is a number cruncher brain with no creativity. I can make money as long as I don't have to be creative. Good lucks folks - you're going to need it. Oh and by the way - hardly a brainstorm this one, but what attracts porn fans? Naked women or men. Pretty bleeding obvious, but maybe a few naked women around the place (in the best possible taste of course) would attract the impartial surfer. Edited on May 16, 2013, 12:50pm | |
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| 05-16-13 09:56am - 4238 days | #4 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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It comes as no suprise to me at all. I have occasionally suggested that PU/TBP may well be struggling and in danger of closing. Although I am nowadays only an occasional contributor, like the others, I will continue to be active. This is the first place to look when thinking about which site to join. | |
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| 04-05-13 12:58pm - 4279 days | #26 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Hospitals are dangerous to your health. Welcome back. | |
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| 04-02-13 06:06pm - 4282 days | #9 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Best wishes to Khan RoseAnn and family. Get well soon. | |
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| 01-31-13 06:12pm - 4343 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Excellent stuff IK. I consider the police force of most countries to be the biggest criminal organisation in that country. Although I like America and Americans there are many parts where I would not care to be black, or any colour except white. Just as there are not enough muslims willing to speak out against extremism, there aren't enough Americans willing to speak out against the police force or government. Are whites not getting involved or protesting because it's only blacks and ethnics who are getting killed? It's also far easier to blame a race, immigrants, males, females, or gays, for an unhappy life, than it is to blame police, judges, government, and big business. Media tells most people what to think and who to blame. Does this mean that basically once the lines are drawn the attitude is far too often, they may be murdering lowlife criminal scumbags, but they're our murdering lowlife criminal scumbags? Edited on Jan 31, 2013, 06:22pm | |
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| 01-20-13 10:09am - 4354 days | #20 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Mad magazine disproves the British idea about Americans that they don't have a sense of irony. There's wonderful irony and sarcasm in some of those spoofs. I think Mad must have been inspiration for the Airplane (and similar) send ups. There are some very witty and clever Americans out there. The only negative about Mad was I thought what a waste of talent, seeing something that clever in a mag, where very few would be able to appreciate it. Heavy Metal mag is something different, but like jberry, I loved that one too. It started life as the French mag Metal Hurlant. Edited on Jan 20, 2013, 10:13am | |
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| 01-20-13 07:44am - 4354 days | #23 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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It does suck, which is why I agree with jberry's suggestion that the best use for tube sites is as a useful reference tool. | |
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| 01-19-13 06:53pm - 4355 days | #21 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Naturally I consider this to be one of the most sensible and reasoned posts on this thread. Everyone has an opinion, but I tend to stay away from the armageddon response. There is a comedian called Harry Enfield who used to have a character who whenever anyone argued with him had a kind of armageddon response - he would come up with the most extreme frightening consequences of any opposing views and then say something like "is that what you want because that's what you'll get." Personally I think being positive, supporting decent sites or networks, and staying away from rogues, helps the industry. Naturally I would argue it that way. There is truth in any opinion. I think piracy does weaken the industry as a whole, but then so do rogue networks who rip people off. I have chosen to download for free from sites I wouldn't touch with a barge pole, and subscribe to what I consider to be the honourable ones. There are a lot of grey areas in here. I think Bibo did a good job pointing this out. Life isn't black and white, nor is piracy or the consequences. I look at tube sites to see who has the best material, and then subscribe to what I consider to be the best ones. Maybe some networks should have better previews. Yes some people would just look at the free preview stuff, but they are unlikely to be the sort who subscribe. Online porn is very cheap and those of us who want to pay actually prefer to pay for it, for a number of reasons. Download material of rogue sites for free and see them go broke. I wish they would. Edited on Jan 19, 2013, 06:59pm | |
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| 01-16-13 08:40am - 4358 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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I used to get Mad all the time, and was a fan just like you Denner. I haven't read it for years, but from the sound of it, Mad is now a different magazine. Things change. The old magazine is dead but at least we have fond memories. Ebay/Ebid and comics/comix shops or dealers are possibly the best place to get the old ones. For me the beginning of the decline was when they started doing British spoofs just for this country. The American material was good enough for me. | |
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| 01-15-13 01:41pm - 4359 days | #12 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Quality on tube sites is crap messmer. They are useful for tasting material so you can see what is available. I rarely download from free download sites nowadays, but I think they are a much better way of finding out who has what. You don't need to download as most threads have screen caps or pics of the videos. I find that is the quickest way to sift through all the material and decide which site is best for me. ...and yes you do have to realise there are nasty spyware bugs and viruses around those places. | |
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| 01-15-13 01:31pm - 4359 days | #11 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Hodayathink/Claypaws - Your point of view is one that I believe the majority have. Obviously I disagree about breaking the law. I always say if you don't like the law, break it, just don't get caught. From my point of view the law is made up by enemies of normal people. They own the media, therefore there is no free speech, therefore there is no democracy. By all means, campaign to change the law, but if you don't like it, break it without any conscience. The moral law is different. I think most people have a kind of built in inherent feeling about what they think is right or wrong. Therefore they feel uneasy about theft, murder, rape, violence etc but everyone is different. Obviously in the interest of the many we need laws to stop people doing things that the majority do not like. That is the reason we are supposed to have law, and have a police force and rulers. Unfortunately I consider our rulers to be the enemy, the greatest crooks. They are an enemy which is corrupt, crooked, and makes sure the world is run by the minority for the benefit of the minority. They pretend they are there to protect us fom all those bad things we don't like to see. I don't believe a word of it. That is only a facade, a pretence in order to control us. I am in the minority feeling about things the way I do. The majority will agree with you both. I have done things in my life which have been, and are, illegal - viewing porn has been one of them. Sometimes it feels good to break the law. I have no qualms or conscience about it. | |
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| 01-15-13 07:19am - 4359 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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A large part of this forum will always disagree with me on this one. I have no problem at all with this. "Rights" is an abstract concept. They are not real, they are created by human beings, unless you believe in some sort of god. You can then say, "god says this is right, or this is wrong, you do not have the right to do that." Fair enough if you believe in that. Just because a company doesn't offer their content in a way that I want, doesn't mean I have the right to steal/pirate/consume it, but it doesn't mean I don't have the right either. I could say if I can do it, I have the right. "Rights" is an abstract idea. I have the right to do anything I am able to do. I am my own god, and my own arbitor of what is right or wrong. This is what most people do anyway. They do what they want then try to justify it. I don't. I don't think it's right or wrong, I do it because I am able, and also because it gives me a nice warm feeling to rip off some organisations. It makes me feel good. If this makes me totally selfish, I am totally selfish, pretty much like 99.9 per cent of human beings. Whether you download or view for free I will say one thing: It is in all our interests to support those who do not try to rip us off or have dodgy practices. It is in all our interests to support those who do present their work in a way the majority here want, but not give money and support to those who don't. I suppose I could say it is selfish to support and give money to those who have those dodgy practices, but it's for everyone to decide on what is right for them. I don't much care whether it's the nice or nasty version. You obviously have a strong opinion on this (as do many), and I would not consider it to be flaming, as this is the way you feel. It is good that you express that opinion. We merely disagree, but it makes the forum more interesting. We can't have everyone here loving one another: Well I suppose we can, but it would be a lot more boring. Edited on Jan 15, 2013, 07:26am | |
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| 01-14-13 08:57pm - 4360 days | #4 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately there will always be those who try to rip you off. If you have quality you don't need those dodgy practices. Some have lousy material so need to trick you out of as much as they can because you're not coming back. The shocking thing now is there are even sites who have great material but still try to trick people. The more this happens the more people wil be scared away from legitimate subscriptions and end up on free sites. The industry has always had a cloudy reputation. We need to support the good guys, because there are some out there. If customers are tricked the good guys suffer, so the industry needs them gone as soon as possible. It's hard out there, but it's in both industry and consumers' interests to see the garbage go to the wall asap. | |
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| 01-14-13 08:46pm - 4360 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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You wont be getting any flak from me. I agree with what you are saying on this one, although the heavy artillery is probably being loaded at this very moment. Like you I look on tube sites and free download sites. It helps me decide which sites or networks I am going to subscribe to. It also makes me feel good to view or download material from those who practice pre checked cross selling, regional discrimination, or have a bad reputation for ripping people off. | |
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| 01-14-13 08:35pm - 4360 days | #9 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Yep, nothing like a good rant RB. Thanks for the tip about the hard drive docks. Have to look into that one. | |
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| 01-13-13 06:24pm - 4361 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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With apologies to two much loved old time British comics I have named this thread "So what do you think of it so far?" They're dead now so aren't going to care much anyway. After being a member of PU for over four years, I pondered on what conclusions I have come to after surfing porn, and doing a few reviews. What started me thinking about this was joining Team Skeet, which was my first membership in about 3-4 months. I wanted to join something at the end of last year but it was so so difficult to decide. Every time I considered a network it had either pre checked cross selling, download limits, or regional discrimination. From the rest I found it very hard to choose. They were either very samey, or I had subscribed before and wasn't entirely knocked out by the content. I kept surfing those free download sites trying to work out who had the best material, and in the end didn't subscribe, as basically the most interesting sites for me, either had pre checked cross selling or regional discrimination. I joined Team Skeet simply because it looked good, and they removed pre checked cross selling. Here are the conclusions I have come to. 1. Quality over quantity. Quite frankly I would rather join a network that has 30 decent downloadable scenes out of 80 than 50 downloadable scenes out of 1000. I'd rather have fewer scenes to download, than spend hours searching through a mass of, for me, uninteresting scenes (I was tempted to put "rubbish" instead of "uninteresting scenes" but one man's meat...). That way I end up with fewer downloadable scenes but have spent less time sifting through what I consider to be uninteresting material/rubbish. If I had unlimited time to view porn it would be okay, but I don't. I want to spend that time viewing great stuff, not hours sifting through material just to find a couple of scenes half way worth keeping. I have sympathy with webmasters because everyone has different tastes. I am not saying what I like is good and what I don't like is bad, I am simply looking at it from my point of view. From my perspective I would rather find fewer scenes on a smaller site, but with a higher downloadable strike rate, meaning I spend a higher proportion of that time viewing great material. 2. Price doesn't matter. Well it does sort of. As someone who used to buy vhs videos, going by those prices, I have probably downloaded about $500,000 worth of material from subscribed sites, stored on one small 1TB external drive. However if material between sites is always the same or very similar, obviously I am going to go for the cheapest or best deal. 3. Don't try to trick me you fucking bastards. That sums it up perfectly. Pre checked cross sells, regional discrimination, unstated download limits, and preview clips which aren't in the subscription, piss me off. At one time I would only subscribe to sites like that if they had outstanding and unique material. Now my attitude has hardened and I simply will not subscribe at all to any sites with these practices. I hope the sites who do use those cons, go to the wall. I have absolutely NO qualms about ripping them off by downloading their material for free. In fact I feel good about it. For the record here are the sites I looked at and discounted. Some sites appear twice as they practice both cross selling and regional discrimination. Pre checked cross selling - 18XGirls, Casting Couch X, Babes Network, Fame Digital, HD Porn Pass, Hustler Mega Pass, Naughty America/College Sugarbabes, Reality Gang, Swank Pass Twistys/Twistys Hard, Massive Access, Zero Tolerance On Demand, Lords Of Porn, The Hardcore Network, Teenie Access, Teen Pink, Lords Of Porn, Porn Multi Pass, Casual Teen Sex, Teenie Lovers, Way Out Sites, Youn Sex Parties, Reality Junkies, Young Courtesans, Young Libertines, Sell Your GF, Lethal 18/Lethal Hardcore, Naked Pages, HD Love, Passion HD, Mofos Network. Regional discrimination - Mofos Network, SpunkyBee/Tin Seks/Teenburg, Anal Tryouts/Russian Teens Club/Slovak Teens Club/Sextronix, Reality Gang, Cum Louder, Home Girls Party. Download limits - Casting Couch X, Dane Jones, No Rest Network, Fake Agent/CastingXXX/Public Agent. 1+3. This one's a mix of 1 and 3. I am sure you are aware of the kind of network that produces good material, but they just can't stop themselves from mass producing more and more of the same type of material using the same models, over and over and over and over. It may be well produced but personally there is only so much of a girl I want to see. It's a small type of con but it's annoying when they have 36 sites that all look the same and all use the same "house models." It pads out the perceived content - and pisses me off. Let's look at this scenario, and call some imaginary network The Squirrel's Nuts. They advertise 14 sites, and 4 updates a week across the network. The sites are Bedtime Bonkers, Natural Bangers, DP Dynamos, Lesbian Sex Orgy, Wet And Wild, Fantasstic Fuckers, Bestial Desires, Young Sex Crazy Drunken Party Orgies, Gagging Gulpers, Balloon Bang Fetish, Disgusting Old MILF Slags, Innocent Newcomer Casting, Young Teen Schoolgirls, Me And My Bangers. Now let's look at the latest 14 updates, you may feel you recognise some of these (any resemblance between these and real networks is purely intentional). Laura and Sergei have sex in bed on Bedtime Bonkers. Lara has sex outside with Chuck on Natural Bangers. Laura has sex with Sergei and Chuck on DP Dynamos. Laura and Lara play with some toys on Lesbian Sex Orgy. Lara gets out of the shower and has sex with Sergei on Wet And Wild. Laura takes it up the ass on Fantasstic Fuckers. Laura has sex with Sergei dressed as an owl on Bestial Desires. Laura has sex with Chuck and Lara has sex with Sergei while five girls in short skirts who you'd rather see without clothes, and five guys holding beers and cheering watch, in Young Sex Crazy Drunken Party Orgies. Sergei shoves his dick down Lara's throat on Gagging Gulpers. Laura and Chuck have sex with five balloons tied to the bottom of the bed on Balloon Bang Fetish. Lara wears a pound less of makeup and has sex with Chuck on Disgusting Old MILF Slags. Chuck interviews newcomer Laura and finally convinces her to undress and have sex on Innocent Newcomer Casting. Lara dressed in a college uniform and pigtails has sex with Sergei on Young Teen Schoolgirls. Sergei picks up Laura in a car and convinces her to have sex after 25 minutes of chatting up on Me And My Bangers, 4. External drives are your greatest porn friend. If you find great material don't lose it. I learned the hard way, but that was before I found out about external drives. I was vaguely aware of them, but didn't know exactly what they did, and anyway thought they would be too difficult for me to use. Nowadays external drives rule: I even backup the backup, because one day your external drive will fail. It's inevitable. 5. This is still the golden age of porn, given the amount and price of material. PU members will sit young kids on their knee (just before the police knock down the door), tell them tales, and fill them with fear about times when there were no computers, no downloadale porn, and the only pictures of people having any kind of sex at all were illegal and would cause their distributors to go to prison for a very long time. This meant you could either buy a new Ferrari or third generation vhs video of The Devil In Miss Jones. Well that's it, if anyone is interested. I don't post often nowadays as I simply don't have enough time to bore the shit out of everyone. I also have less time to view porn, but that's okay because I don't get jaded, but I clearly do get pissed off. I don't mind paying for something, but I want to be the one to decide. I don't want to pay for something then discover I have either bought something else or haven't bought what I originally thought. | |
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| 01-07-13 06:39pm - 4367 days | #3 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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I am one of those who says unequivocally "yes." I am old enough to remember how expensive porn was. The value for money today is quite ridiculous in comparison. On the other hand, porn is now a very competitive market, with a big mix of professionals, amateurs, semi pros and semi amateurs. I want to see the pre-checked cross sellers, regional discriminators, and other kinds of rip off artists and crooks, go out of business, and go out of business fast, leaving a clean healthy fat free porn industry, scum-free. I would much rather pay $50 to a site that I know is not going to try and trick me, than pay $10 to one who is not to be trusted. I have limited time to watch porn, so I don't want to spend hours of that time trying to cancel credit cards, writing letters of complaint, or trying to get access to that material. This has been the golden age of porn, and imo, still is. For how much longer I don't know. Obviously there are powers out there, who want to impose their superior morality on those of us who are of inferior mind and morality. They will want to gain control of the internet, as control means money. I think they will eventually impose their morality, and at the same time make money from the internet. I do rather like the idea of being able to publish the address of one of those moral guardians, or maybe one of those politically correct fascists, or a local councillor who made some money out of his office by taking back handers and dumping on the rest of us, along with just a hint of a suggestion that someone should give them a visit and kick the living shit out of them. Irresponsible? Oh yes. That sort of thing is being cracked down on, but I have to admit I quite liked that wild west sort of thing. Edited on Jan 08, 2013, 10:12am | |
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| 01-01-13 05:23pm - 4373 days | #18 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Absolutely. That's the reason my money does not go to sites who have either pre checked cross selling or regional discrimination. I'd rather rip them off, than have them rip me off. My money goes to sites who really deserve it, not con artists. | |
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| 01-01-13 06:27am - 4373 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Happy New Year 2013 to everyone. | |
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| 12-26-12 07:27pm - 4379 days | #10 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
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Hope you all had a great Christmas, and will enjoy a Happy New Year. | |
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