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04-15-18  06:51pm - 2442 days #442
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So let me get this straight. Leaking classified information is bad, so James Comey must be jailed. But it's not really that bad, because President Trump pardoned I Lewis Libby who was convicted of leaking classified information.

President Trump just says whatever he wants. He has no consistency other than to do or say the most outrageous things to please his base. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-14-18  10:15am - 2444 days #434
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I'm no fan of President Trump either. I understand that satire is a legitimate art form and critical technique. I understand that merc77's post was satirical. I acknowledged that in my post.

It's incumbent upon us to stand up for principles. Words are powerful (hence the saying, "the pen is mightier than the sword"). I want a civil and open forum. I support the right of merc77 to post satire, just as I defend anyone's right to speak. I feel the greater principle here is that it is wrong to call people names or compare them to Nazis.

Maybe I read too much into it. But it's just as important to speak up against your friends when they do something you object to as to speak up against your enemies. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-14-18  08:54am - 2444 days #431
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I hope you meant your "Springtime for Trump" post as satire.

There's been a recent trend of demonizing political ideas and political figures with labels like "Hitlerian" or "Nazi" or "Nazi-like." It's common on both the left and the right, and it should stop. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-14-18  06:27am - 2444 days #426
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Odd that the same day he blasted James Comey as a "a proven LEAKER & LIAR" President Trump pardoned I. Lewis Libby, who was convicted for leaking classified information and lying to investigators. There's a double standard here.

I'm really demoralized and weary of the politicization of justice. I'm tired of seeing both Democrats and Republicans justify using the legal system to attack each other. Every action by the other party ends up challenged in Federal Court. Courts are, under our system of Common Law, adversarial. It's having a detrimental effect on the political process and destroys the notion that politics is the uniting of people to achieve common goals--forging coalitions of varied interests and compromising to get things done.

We're as divided now as we were when it was Slave States versus Free States. That division led to the Civil War. Isn't one of the points of teaching history to help future generations to avoid the mistakes of the past? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-13-18  07:18pm - 2444 days #423
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Valerie Plame, the CIA officer whose outing was the basis of Libby's legal troubles, has speculated that Trump was sending a message to his staff--if you don't cooperate with Robert Mueller's Russia investigation, I will protect you by giving you a presidential pardon.

There is another possible reason. Libby was prosecuted by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who was appointed by President Trump's current bête noire, then-Deputy Attorney General James Comey. Comey has written a book about Trump comparing him to the mobsters that Comey prosecuted as a Federal Attorney in New York. Trump is reportedly furious about Comey's book. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-13-18  03:03pm - 2445 days Original Post - #1
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Any other die hard hockey fans out there in PU land? Care to share your predictions about the 2018 Playoffs? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-13-18  02:51pm - 2445 days #421
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Rich, powerful, married men being unfaithful to their wives and covering it up is nothing new. It's just that in a data driven age like ours it's getting harder and harder to get away with it (not to actually pay off the women, but to do so secretly).

There's also a level of hypocrisy in the whole issue. No one slams mega rock stars from sleeping with groupies, but politicians can't? Why the distinction?

Like lots of issues, it's complicated. Issues of class, power, and sexual morality make it a morass. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  07:09pm - 2445 days #414
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Absolutely!

Like Mary Poppins sings, "No matter what the circumstance. For one thing I'm renown. My character is spit-spot spick and span. I'm practically perfect. In every way." "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Apr 12, 2018, 07:20pm (Loki: added Mary Poppins lyric)

04-12-18  06:50pm - 2445 days #412
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This "fragile inhabitant of the echo chamber" actually applauds the good economic news. What kind of monster wants other Americans to suffer because it fits a political narrative? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  05:42pm - 2445 days #410
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The exhaustive pace of news coming out of Washington DC is wearying and depressing. I don't know about other people, but I am tired of waking up every day and seeing the "scandal du jure" so to speak, most of which are (in the words of Shakespeare), "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." I love politics and discussing politics, and have always read the political news of the day, but this pace is overwhelming. It's got to be detrimental to businesses because they need to know the policies of the government will be stable to make sound investments in their companies. I've actually seen business news articles about how the chaos in Washington DC is keeping businesses from hiring workers and making capital investments. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  04:27pm - 2446 days #408
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I think it's vital to democracy to hold politicians to standards of conduct similar to the standards that we apply to civil servants. They all work for "we the people" so they should be held to the highest standards of ethical conduct.

I don't know the veracity of James Comey, but trust him more than President Trump based on the fact that he has not demonstrably lied to the American people repeatedly. That does not mean his allegations are true, but his starting level of trust is higher than the president's.

James Comey has made enemies on both sides of the aisle. It'll be interesting what the response to his book will be. I assume that it will be massively popular with the rabidly anti-Trump crowd, but will largely piss off both Republicans and Democrats alike. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  04:03pm - 2446 days #406
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Let me get this right: President Trump, who is a celebrity, a serial liar, and a business fraud, called James Comey a "showboat" and a "liar?" Putting aside the veracity of Comey, isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Why should the FBI Director be held to a higher standard than the US President? Shouldn't the counter argument be "showboating and lying are wrong, so please stop doing it Mr. President?" "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  08:51am - 2446 days #20
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I have a tendency to cycle through different genres/niches for porn, as my tastes change. But the suggestion to dump anything that's sat unwatched for a year is a really good one.

I think it takes some consideration of what you get out of porn. Is it the acquisition (similar to the "gotta get them all" of Pokemon) or is it the enjoyment of viewing that drives your collecting? The answer for each of us is different and should be the basis for what's worth keeping and what you should cull.

Thanks for sharing. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  04:23am - 2446 days #402
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I defended this thread and the ability of PU members to discuss controversial issues without succumbing to incivility. That the PU community can embrace all kinds of opinions as long as people treat each other with respect.

Maybe I was wrong.

(I have always considered name calling demeaning not to the target, but to the originator. It shows immaturity, a meanness of spirit, a moral paucity, and an inability to engage with people by marshaling facts and evidence.) "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-12-18  12:27am - 2446 days #400
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This is literally the most corrupt and inept administration I've ever seen in my lifetime. It's staggering.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected Governor of California when Gray Davis was recalled. It was recall election and gubernatorial election on one ballot. First, Should Gray Davis be recalled? and if that wins, pick your candidate to replace him. The bar for candidacy was ridiculously low. Arnold Schwarzenegger was a candidate, but so was Gary Coleman of Diff'rent Strokes fame. How exactly was Arnold Schwarzenegger more qualified than Gary Coleman? Because he was taller?

Yet Schwarzenegger turned out to be a modestly successful governor. I held out similar hopes for Trump, but didn't really expect my hopes would be rewarded. Instead we are getting the most inept and dishonest administration I've ever seen.

There's a political axiom from French writer and philosopher Joseph de Maistre "Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite." In English it translates to "Every nation gets the government they deserve." Similarly H.L. Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  11:36pm - 2446 days #397
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When I was growing up, I was proud to be a Republican. My party, after all, threatened to impeach Richard Nixon (forcing his resignation) after the Watergate break-in and cover-up. It was a mark of pride for Republicans that we had put the good of the country above political party and forced Nixon's resignation. Republicans were considered the "natural party of government" (though they didn't hold Congress, they held the Presidency most elections since the Civil War).

Flash forward to 1992, when Newt Gingrich defected from President George H.W. Bush's plan to raise taxes to help shore up the nation's finances. Bush had gathered Republicans and Democrats to get both parties on board to raise taxes. Gingrich agreed in the meeting with Bush and leaders of both parties. The next day he didn't sign on to tax increases, and didn't attend the Rose Garden announcement of bipartisan tax increases. (Those tax increases led to the budget surpluses that occurred during Clinton's administration.) Gingrich orchestrated the Republican takeover of Congress in 1992 (but also helped orchestrate Clinton's presidential win). But Gingrich broke his deal with Bush and congressional leaders of both parties.

I really trace a lot of the political decline of this country to Newt Gingrich's breaking the bipartisan deal, and his aggressive anti-Clinton agenda in Congress. After 1992, Republicans began to stop being the party of ideas (remember William F. Buckley?) and began to become the party of anti-intellectualism. Evidence-based policy, which had been a hallmark since Progressive Republicans under Theodore Roosevelt, was thrown out.

Fast-forward to 2016. A celebrity with no political experience and a history of business failures, sexual harassment, and racist comments becomes the nominee of the party. Where are the ideas? Where is the fiscal responsibility? Where is the competence? The Republican party has become intellectually and morally bankrupt. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  10:39pm - 2446 days #395
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


The EPA just fired an official whose report undermined Scott Pruitt's justification for expansive security


Not one person has been arrested for threatening EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. Threats against public officials are very serious. They are investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If Scott Pruitt was actually receiving credible death threats, why isn't the FBI or Secret Service able to substantiate the danger (they would be investigating all threats). Evidently one individual yelled at Scott Pruitt in an airport about destroying the environment, but there was no arrest or charges filed, as there were no actual threats. If Scott Pruitt is really being threatened, find, arrest, and convict those individuals. But it seems that Pruitt has no justification for his security other than to protect his fragile ego from people who don't like the policies he is promulgating. Isn't he a grown-up? Doesn't he have the courage of his convictions? Man up Scott Pruitt and stop hiding from the public. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  07:21pm - 2446 days #391
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What is it with politicians claiming that investigations of wrongdoing are "witch hunts?"

The Salem Witch Hunts were largely land grabs by the wealthy and powerful against the marginalized in society. For some reason the president and other political figures (who are largely rich, white, male millionaires) feel so victimized that they cannot distinguish between persecution and prosecution. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  07:16pm - 2446 days #389
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Originally Posted by biker:


Hello Loki:

Thank you for proving you can have discourse without personal attacks. As I said in a post just above this, "we are adults". The difference is, do we choose to behave as such.
At age 37 I was seeing a physiologist and after several months of visits she told I had the maturity of a 14 year old. It hurt. It has been a long hard journey to bring my maturity up to the level it is today, but it brought many rewards. I was able to see my faults and make changes in them. One was treating the people around me with respect. Continue on this path and you will have friendships and respect wherever you go. There is no greater freedom then the freedom of living a good life. Thank you again for being an example of this.


Thanks, biker. I've been feeling particularly beleaguered recently and wondering what to do. Your words of support are much appreciated. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  06:18pm - 2446 days #386
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Trolling much? "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  12:11pm - 2447 days #384
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You said, "You're nuts." Twice in the same post.

You implied I was delusional.

You insulted my ethics by insinuating that I'm "a pillar of morality, fighting for all that is good and ethical as you [sic] scour the web for porn."

Three direct quotes. One is an inference, but a logical one.

You have repeatedly been personally insulting and belittling. If you truly think you are innocent, the facts prove otherwise. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  12:00pm - 2447 days #302
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Hi Amanda, I received your emails on my secondary email. Thank you for your efforts to resolve this. And thanks to PU for the gift card.

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04-11-18  11:56am - 2447 days #382
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You're being insulting and making personal attacks again. But I've always tried to be factual and polite to you despite your unwillingness to reciprocate. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  10:50am - 2447 days #380
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Sleeping with a porn star is not a crime. Paying hush money to her is not a crime. Conspiring with your attorney to violate campaign finance laws to pay that hush money is a crime.

And it doesn't really matter the extent of the temptation. I was raised to understand right and wrong, and personally strive to be a good and ethical person. But the future is unknown. Perhaps the example of people in Washington DC will rub off on me and I will become an unethical sleaze bag. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  10:15am - 2447 days #378
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The amount of temptation is irrelevant. Right and wrong are not matters of degree. Your assertion is like saying that committing crime is justified if there would be enough payoff or the target would be easily victimized. Either you are a person of good moral character, or you aren't.

As for Bill Clinton, he was a scumbag. I never voted for him and still regard his presidency as chaotic, weak, and detrimental to the country.

But "whataboutism" (excusing Trump's crimes by pointing out that others are bad too) is an empty rhetorical dodge. It is actually exactly what Goebbels used in Nazi Germany and the USSR did in the Cold War. It isn't a defense, it's propaganda. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-11-18  10:00am - 2447 days #301
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I have sent you two email addresses, both of which have PornUsers.com whitelisted. I have received no emails from you at either address.

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04-10-18  07:10pm - 2447 days #374
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My friend visited Belarus for work. He said that just about every woman was stunning, and I worried a bit that he wouldn't want to return home. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-10-18  10:54am - 2448 days #371
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Be a little more like Donald Trump, and maybe you will become a greater, more powerful person as well.

Then you will be able to name-call, and boast, and make up self-serving lies.


I'm sorry lk2fireone, I can't be like Donald Trump. I don't like name-calling, boasting, or lying. It's simply not my thing. I wouldn't mind dating a Slovenian model though. And I wouldn't drag her through the hell of cheating on her. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-10-18  09:32am - 2448 days #368
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I don't understand why it is so difficult to disagree without name-calling. I try exceedingly hard to be polite to everyone and not make ad hominem attacks or disparage anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I may not agree with someone, but I would never dream of calling them stupid or crazy because of their beliefs. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  06:36pm - 2448 days #362
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Disparaging me won't change the facts. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  05:13pm - 2448 days #360
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Here's research on illegal immigration and economic effects. Took two minute's effort to find.

https://ideas.repec.org/cgi-bin/htsearch...=illegal+immigration

The first paper sited shows that illegal immigrants show net positive benefits for their host countries. The tenth shows that despite competing for similar jobs, illegal immigration has a net gain for the economy of their host country. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Apr 09, 2018, 05:19pm

04-09-18  05:08pm - 2448 days #359
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I've been very polite to you, and even directed you to data that could help you find evidence for your claims. Ad hominem attacks don't help promote your argument. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  04:43pm - 2449 days #357
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No, I figured you were fully capable of navigating a website for yourself. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  04:30pm - 2449 days #355
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I may not have a doctorate in economics, but I can read facts from the US Census Bureau (the US department charged with collecting economic data). Maybe you should too. Here's the link. If you find data that supports that immigration is a net drag on an economy, I'd be grateful if you'd share it.


https://www.census.gov/econ/ "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." Edited on Apr 09, 2018, 04:34pm

04-09-18  04:00pm - 2449 days #353
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Immigration is a net benefit to the economy. Immigrants start more businesses than native born Americans, use fewer social services than native born Americans, and are less likely to commit crimes than native born Americans.

But that really doesn't fit the narrative that immigrants are lazy criminals here for welfare (which doesn't even make sense, since illegal immigrants can't receive welfare benefits). Probably because the narrative is just flat wrong based on the evidence. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  02:15pm - 2449 days #351
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I don't see that California has to "change or collapse." I see this as simply hate towards progressive policies. Live and let live. If you don't want to live in California, don't. No one here cares. We can find plenty of people who want to come and contribute to our state without you. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  01:49pm - 2449 days #349
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You could make similar arguments about any state. I could show tons of articles about bad policies that plague many states, but beating up on California is a Republican wet dream. It won't change hearts and minds. Besides I think that demonizing an entire state is unfair to the many people in that state who have little or no say about how they're governed.

So go ahead and smear California all you want. It's a beautiful, diverse state. But that doesn't matter. It's a blue state, so that's all some people need to vent their hate. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  12:55pm - 2449 days #347
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Wow, you really have a jaundiced view of California. It's not even remotely accurate. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  12:52pm - 2449 days #299
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Pornusers.com is on my whitelist. I'll resync it. Please try again. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-09-18  01:46am - 2449 days #345
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Originally Posted by Jade1:


Excellent. I can totally understand anyone who wanted to flee the insanity that is California.


My friends who emigrated did so to leave the United States, not just California. They could have moved to another state, but found those even less palatable than living here in California. California has a liberal reputation, but people in other states tend to ignore that the state is incredibly large and diverse with many different kinds of people in it. There are areas known for being incredibly conservative, and others for being incredibly liberal. And it was within my lifetime that California went from being a solidly Republican state (Nixon and Reagan were both governors of California after all) to one that is solidly Democratic. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-05-18  08:15pm - 2452 days #340
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Almost said the same thing myself, Jade1. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-05-18  04:56pm - 2453 days #338
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I sincerely doubt the intelligence of anyone who considers themselves a cat/fairy/otherkin. It's kind of magical wish thinking, which tends to be the opposite of reason.

My friends who emigrated looked at the United States and other countries, and decided that the opportunities or cultures or societies that they moved to better served their interests. They weighed a lot of issues, and decided that living abroad was the best decision. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-05-18  01:53pm - 2453 days #336
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Originally Posted by Jade1:


People vote with their feet. You don't see people fleeing the US to live elsewhere. Everyone is always trying to get in. There's a reason for that.


Several highly skilled, intelligent people I know have emigrated from the United States, mostly to the UK or Australia, but also Singapore and New Zealand. They were disgusted by the ignorance and superstition that largely infects American culture. Other of my friends are in the process of looking to move abroad. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

04-03-18  09:04pm - 2454 days #332
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I'm more in despair about the dissolution of our institutions under the Trump administration. Not to mention that many of his policies are poorly considered and will hurt me, my family, my community, and the country. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

03-31-18  02:54pm - 2458 days #330
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


@Jade1, very true.
I've tried to stay away from the thread, but keep coming back.
My hope is that I will overcome my obsession, and move on with my life.
I would almost certainly be happier if I could ignore Trump completely.



It's quite hard for people who care about our country and it's future to see what's going on in Washington DC and not despair. For decades both parties have squandered chances to fix a lot of deep systemic problems in the country. It's not government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" anymore. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

03-29-18  05:50pm - 2459 days #313
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Let's ditch the whole "communism is great in theory" conversation. Marx and Engels wrote about a supposedly inevitable class struggle between labor and capital that would lead to socialism and then to communism. There is some legitimacy to the idea of class conflict in capitalistic societies, but that doesn't necessarily lead to either socialism or communism. Populism and fascism are also possible outcomes.

Violent class struggles are not inevitable. In a liberal democracy, there is plenty of opportunity for political and economic reform that balances the needs of labor and capital within a free market. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

03-29-18  04:30pm - 2460 days #16
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Originally Posted by Jade1:


I assume you've already played Dragon Age Origins?


It's one of my favorite games of all time. I still replay it. I was SOOO disappointed with Dragon Age II. I don't have a good enough system to play the third one.

I tend to play the same computer games over and over. Baldur's Gate I + II, The Temple of Elemental Evil (especially with the Circle of 8 modpacks), Dragon Age Origins, Neverwinter Nights, and my pick for best CRPG of all time, Planescape: Torment. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

03-29-18  10:49am - 2460 days #13
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I was on the Alpha testing team for Divinity Original Sin I. It was a fantastic game. I have the second one, but don't have a modern enough computer to play it. But I bought it anyway for when I upgrade (I've been talking about upgrading my computer system for about four years now).

Financial experts often talk about the fact that people will use credit or debit cards to buy things they wouldn't if they relied on cash. This is a special problem with internet transactions. I personally use cash for most day to day purchases to watch my expenditures, and don't keep my credit card information on file anywhere so I have to go to my wallet and pull out the card to make an online transaction. This has significantly reduced my online spending. Often I'll surf over to a porn site, check it out, and go to the join page, and while retrieving my credit card, decide against buying.

My real space crunch comes from the fact that I own over 500 books, many of them roleplaying games, that I've collected over my life. I'd be envious of being able to have most of my hardcover books be as small as a PS2 game. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

03-29-18  07:23am - 2460 days #11
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I'm a gamer too. I have a Steam account with hundreds of games I buy at their winter and summer sales because they're really good bargains. I stopped even looking at the sales because even if I played computer games non-stop all day and night, it would take me years to work through the games I have.

I think Jade1 really nailed it. There's a difference between collecting and hoarding. Collectors look for things that really enhance a collection. Hoarders just want everything.

It really comes down to asking oneself if the things you download will actually improve your collection and give you pleasure, or are they downloaded because you're afraid you'll miss out? If you answer, "I might miss a great scene by (model)," maybe you should rethink whether you're collecting porn to enhance your life or doing it to express some deep seated fear of missing out on something. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

03-29-18  07:15am - 2460 days #2
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Instead of molesting the Easter Bunny in public, she should have come to PU. Someone could have helped her find a cosplay/furry porn site to release her erotic impulses towards those in costume. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself."

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