That is much more of a cultural issue than a legal issue. Sort of the same way US Americans might be perceived as preferring violence over sex or love if you try to judge us by our most popular mediums. I can kill 50 people in a movie and still get a PG rating, but one quick peek at a cock or vagina is likely to prevent your movie from receiving a rating at all, and therefore no distribution. Definitely not our place to judge anyone else's practices.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Same people as 21 Sextury.com, so you can expect the same level or quality of porn as you would from them (see my other 21 Sextury review for more details about vid quality, etc.)
Very nice navigation. You can look at the front pages of the individual sites, then search within them, or you can just go look up a master list of "categories" and it will pull vids from all the sites. Lot's of tags you can search by as well. For those of you with VideoBox memberships, 21 Sextury/Sextreme's tagging system blows theirs away.
Vids come in several mp4 and wmv formats ranging in quality. Warning, all high quality and better vids are usually over 1gb here.
Streaming is good quality and pretty reliable. No chop, no stuttering, buffering, etc.
Very fast download speeds. I clocked about 2.25 mb/s on average. I use a DLM so this may affect that to some extent. They are DLM friendly, though, like most sites now only if you get the vids within an hour or so.
Cons:
The name 21 Sextreme is misleading. Yes, it is supposed to be the more extreme, fetish niche stuff, but it's not really that extreme or edgy. For me, old people having sex with young people is not that extreme. Just because it is a fetish doesn't mean it's an extreme fetish.
14 Sextreme sites vs. 20 Sextury for the same price?
Some of the Sextreme sites subjects get covered by Sextury sites already (fisting and lesbian stuff in particular.)
Bottom Line:
They offer a package deal to get both 21 Sextury and Sextreme together for like $45. But you can join each site individually from here for like $20 each, so do it that way if you think you want both.
I like Sextreme for Dominated Girls, Home Porn Reality (one of the better sites imo), Mighty Mistresses, and yes, even Tight Gay Holes. I'm one of those bi-curious guys who could become a raging queen for some of the guys on that site. Zoliboy, for those of you who don't know, is a little like MILF Hunter or Bang Bus with a lot of pissing. There are also three decent tranny sites if you're into that.
I don't know if I mentioned this in the previous review of 21 Sextury, but he bonus sites are basically just that, Bonus. You'll get a smattering of decent vids from these, but they are not full blown or necessarily extensive websites. It tends to be a lot of the stuff you get from either of the main sites, just geared towards a specific race or body type. Intermixed Sluts is a pretty cool site, so as an added bonus that's pretty cool.
The big question is do you join this as well, or just 21 Sextury by itself? Honestly, I think this is a good site, but I think I would feel it lacking if I didn't also have the membership to 21 Sextury. IMO, this is soemthing you would want in addition to 21 Sextury, not in place of it. There are far better "extreme" sites out there if that is solely what you are looking for.
I scored this an 89 because I do believe that overall the site is that good. Just because it didn't fully satisfy my tastes doesn't mean it won't fully satisfy yours. One plus is that this does give you a well rounded selection of fetishes, in particular gay material. Most sites separate the gay male vids into a whole other site you have to pay for. So if you like a little variety in regards to that, there's another selling point.
That does sound like so BS. Sorry to hear that. I have had no problems with them, but I did join after the split. In fact, the split is what kept me from joining for so long because I was basically interested in about half of what they offered in each.
I won't try to defend them and I certainly understand your frustration. At the same time as big as these sites and this network is getting, the split was inevitable. The alternative would have probably been to start raising the prices. From a sales-perspective, that very well could have been a death sentence for their business. It's really hard to get people to join sites for over twenty dollars these days. I think they screwed up in how they divided the site. They should have made 21 Sextreme an actual addition, because that's really what it is anyway, and just charged an extra ten bucks a month to add it on. Or they could have made it more "extreme" period so that it can stand on its own.
Personally I am a fan of wmv hd files myself. They are a little smaller and I don't notice that big of a diff in terms of quality. They do also do mp4 as well. The big issue now, like I said, is that now to get the standard HD quality we have all come to know and love you are having to do files over 1gb.
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
One thing 21 Sextury has become known for is high quality models. The skankiest girl on their sites will still be ten times hotter than the best looking girls on other sites. They also seem to attract a variety of body styles and types. They even have a tag for "super tiny tits" and "jumbo tits" so you can see a wide variety of boobs, butts and bent-over babes.
The navigation is actually one of the best I have seen. This has got to be one of the better cross-listed sites. You get exactly what you expect, and a lil more. Pull up a model and you can see all her scenes (though you will only have access to whatever you have paid for, ie 21 Sextury vs. 21 Sextreme). They use really good profile photos of the models. I know that sounds weird to mention, but you can tell from the profile pic is she is the body type you are looking for, not just the face.
The porn covers a variety of niches, though more mainstream stuff does seem to be their overall focus. Lots of DP and anal.
Cons:
The girls can be a little glammed up for my tastes. This is higher quality, mainstream stuff, so I can expect this.
Models tend to only work for one or two sites within the network, so occasionally you will find a model you really like, but may be disappointed by the fact that she only appears on a solo site, etc.
Not sure if this was a pro or con, but many of the models, despite their hotness, are relatively unknown, at least to me. You're not going to find a lot of Sasha Grays or Bobbi Starrs here.
The page that opens whenever you click on the scene you want takes you to a second navigation page that has five or six tabs. It would have been nice if they took you straight to the download page first.
Files size of their vids are huge. A medium quality vid at their site come sin at around 600mbs.
Bottom Line:
Overall I would have to say if you are looking for a good, well rounded site to join, 21 Sextury is something you should look at. Realistically you should consider joining both 21 Sextury and 21 Sextreme together to get the full benefits (it was cheaper for me to take advantage of 2 reduced priced memberships from here than one package membership from them).
Download speeds are some of the fastest I have found. I max out at around 3.2mb/s and most the time I am downloading from them at about 2.8mb/s. It allows for multiple downloads, but DLMs will experience the usual timeout if it doesn't grab them within an hour or so.
My only issue with this site is their video quality, which is actually so good it is becoming an issue in terms of how much space the vids take up now. On average their HD vids (wmv and mp4) are over 1gb. While streaming these makes for some really high quality, it may also cause problems for slower bandwidths. I personally download more than I stream, so this has been somewhat of an issue for me. However, I would also point out that 21 Sextury is ahead of the curve, and most HD vids are going to start getting up around these sizes everywhere. Still, it would be nice to see if they couldn't come up with a compressed version for download. That being said, I have to commend them for their clipping ability. They usually try to provide the vids in about eight to ten clips, with the option to download the whole video. So, you don't necessarily have to go after the whole thing, as some of these are over forty five min scenes.
For the twenty bucks it will cost you for linking from here, 21 Sextury offers a wide variety of very high quality porn for a reasonable price. It may not become your favorite, but I guarantee you will find at least one or two sites within their network that will give you twenty bucks worth of fun.
Current Member for over 2 months (at the time of review).
Pros:
It's hard to discuss Abby Winters in terms of porn sites because this is simply not the usual porn site. There is a reason it has remained one of the top rated sites of all time for the last decade. It ranges from the dainty petting softcore stuff you expect from a couple of bi-curious girls to penetration bordering on XXX. You are never going to see anything too hard or edgy here, and that's what most people like about this site. It is a sort of sweet, touching, beautiful, natural type of porn that's hard to even want to call it "porn."
The video quality here is good and as you get into the more recent stuff a lot of it is HD. I like their system for selection video quality. You just click one of four boxes next to a video, and the next time that's where it will default to, or the closest lower setting in the case of older videos. They tend to clip them, but there are usually no more than three. Navigation is also very well cross listed with keywords, so searching is a breeze.
Cons:
So, here's the only downside to Abby Winters, and it is a personal issue that you may not be as bothered by, but the whole premise of the natural girl having real, natural sex is great, and it is beautiful and tender. But, it also leaves no room for originality or individuality. Simply put, it all kind of starts to look the same after awhile. You'll find your favs, like Chloe B, and you will download everything she has and love it, and you'll do the same for the next ten girls. But after a few months I found myself just checking in occasionally, and when I did I downloaded one or two things here and there and before long I was maybe getting a couple of videos a week from them. Couldn't really justify the price. It's hard to stay a member at sites like this for long.
Bottom Line:
Look, if you have never had a membership to Abby Winters it is certainly worth a month. They offer a pretty good deal for three months, and I think it's worth a few months of being able to download stuff from them. If you're like me you will probably tire of them, or you will basically have gotten all you really need from their site to keep you happy in the future. Either way, this site deserves support. They are a unique and enlightened businesswomen, and they are offering a quality product. It's just they are dedicated to pretty much one or two things, lesbian sex and masturbation, so it's hard for them to really offer a wide range of porn. This is true of many sites. One speaks volumes is the fact that Abby Winters has been around for so long and has been recognized by so many as one of the industry's best. In many ways they have sort of become the PLAYBOY of the internet.
Excellent review. Thank you for reviewing a gay site. I find I tend to only join or look at gay sites that are associated with other networks sites like 21 Sextreme or something. So, it is nice to see a review of a standalone gay site. Thanks again.
My dlm only seems to have a problem on the home/update pages of ATK sites, where they post the most recent vids and pics. If I go to the model's individual page/gallery with all of her stuff, my dlm doesn't seem to have the problem. Since the home/update page changes everyday I can see where this may be a problem for dlms. Of course all of the bigger money sites are starting to rotate the addresses of their videos to prevent site raping. Another annoying thing I have been seeing is where you cannot continue browsing once you start downloading. Ferro Network does this.
I personally only run into this problem with the new videos off the front pages in ATK Hairy. That makes sense because each video is listed under a new day each time. From the model's actual gallery page, I don't have as much problem. Maybe it has something to do with the actual age of the model's page itself???
Great review. I am a huge fan of anything ATK does. I also like the fact that they stole the Taekwondo organization's name. LOL. You are absolutely right about repeat modeling. Sativa Verde just did a live cam show for ATK Hairy and was talkingabout that very thing. She started as model working for anyone, fell in love with working for ATK, now she is shooting models herself for them. I also like the fact that girls that appear in Galleria may wind up in Hairy at some point, and vice versa.
Now they are offering a big deal where you can get access to all their sites for like a hundred a month. It's a steep price, but for me, it has always been a tough choice between all their sites.
Current Member for over 6 months (at the time of review).
Pros:
Wide selection of models, videos, and pics due to a long standing in the community. They are one of the oldest working porn sites in general, but especially for niche porn. This is hirsute, hairy girls, and you can search for various factors, very general ones like "armpits" or "action." What's best is there is a little bit of everything "hairy" here. If you like solo girls, there's plenty of content. But if you like some action there is plenty of m/f and f/f content ranging from full frontal soft-core to full blown hardcore. What's more, most of the models that appear at We Are Hairy also appear here, such as Ryanne and Fawna. Video and pic quality is pretty good for the newer stuff, and you usually have a selection of about four or five video qualities (new ones often have HD options also). Pics are downloadable in a single zip file. Lately they have also been ramping up a lot more free cam shows with some pretty big ATK names, so that's been a real plus and I hope they keep that up.
Cons:
Search engine is a little dated and clunky. It gets the job done, but the way it displays results could definitely use an update. It accepts download managers usually, but only for a limited time. I find that if I wait more than a few hours it often shifts the page on me.
Bottom Line:
For niche porn this site has become one of the biggest and most well known. I have argued that it's a better deal than We Are Hairy simply because they both have many of the same models, but ATK seems to have a. a lot more content, and b. a much greater variety in that content, such as softcore vs. hardcore, solo vs. couple, etc. It's also a site that you will never fully rip, and well worth investing, and saving money in the long run, in the multiple month subscriptions. I would recommend three months easily if you are a hirsute enthusiast.
Personally I think sites like this are very niche specific, as in you either go totally gaga over the girl or guy, or not. Sites like these are always hard to review because first and foremost you have to be a huge fan of the individual. This is partly how they justify the higher, fetish-level prices for sites like this. Good job on the review.
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
A few months since the last review and I would say there are actually a surprising number of models/shows here.
Some of the girls are actually extremely hot. Much more so than you expect for webcam stuff like this anyway.
You can actually see quite a bit without having to private. Basically stripping is free, anything beyond that is going to cost you.
The tipping/credits are noway near as expensive as other places.
You can broadcast yourself, private chat, etc. I could see where this might potentially grow as a sort of naked social network.
Cons:
I have seen at least one person on there you will never convince me was over the age of fifteen. I'm not saying this so all you kiddie porn pervs can check it out. I'm saying this because this is one of those questionable elements on the internet where there may be too many people to ever police or monitor. I don't blame Chaturbate either, somebody gets an account and then someone else is doing the shows, it can be a little tricky to catch on. At any rate, just be warned that from time to time you may see someone on there who doesn't look legal. Some of these people are in foreign countries with different laws. Either way, I find many of the people on here to be of questionable standing. I personally would hate to think I am contributing to some sort of unregulated or illegal sex trade.
Bottom Line:
I think this site has a lot of potential, but it's sort of the old Spiderman cliche about responsibility. Personally, I would like to see them make a greater effort to assure me, as someone who might actually spend money, that I am not contributing to something most of us would probably find immoral.
At the same time, you should all be adults and you should be able to navigate through the various shows available to see what you think is best. I certainly don't want to dissuade anyone from visiting or participating.
Wow, this sounds like an awful site. I think I might have scored it even lower just from how you described the camera work in the videos. What's the point of having a variety of porn stars if all you see is their groins. It annoys me how easy it is for anyone to be a filmmaker these days because the technology is so simple now. Yet, there are still morons out there who can't even figure out how to work the zoom properly. Thanks for the heads up.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
The video's and pics are quality cuckold, though it will be the standard "I need a black dick" scenario every time. The production value is there, the girls are hot, but the action is a little, well, pedantic.
You also get access to their other sites, which are exclusive, but also pretty run of the mill. In terms of niche there might be a few that will interest you, but I found them all pretty boring.
Cons:
Video is in one format only (wmv) but they do give you a choice of different qualities and sizes. Still, the content is just uninspired, and it looks like pretty much the same cuck videos we've seen a hundred times before. Admittedly, the white chick needing a black dick and making her husband watch scenario may work for you, I still don't think they offer enough here to really impress you beyond what you have seen before.
I list this under cons just because I'm sure there are a few of you out there who will want to know, but there is no bi-sexual, forced bisexuality, or anything more extreme than a girl fucking another guy in front of her significant other.
As of Feb. 2012, canceling with their online system does not work! I had to send two emails to get them to cancel before my trial ran out. Be careful of this.
Bottom Line:
It might be worth taking the trial run at them just to see if there is anything beyond this site, such as their tranny site or their teen site, that might interest you. However, with the cancellation issues I had, I wouldn't risk it.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
I rarely can't find anything positive to say about a site, but this site was really so bad it doesn't have any pros
Cons:
Video quality is not quality at all. The average wmv file size at this site is around 20mb or less with many falling around 6mb. Even a large file I downloaded (83mb) was still in a 720x480 frame, was not HD, and it still looked like the picture was getting stretched when you maximized the video window. The smaller files are clearly designed for an old school site and to be played in a very small window (320x240).
The design of the site really looks outdated. I have talked in the past about sites that hearken back to the nineties. In this case, if I didn't know better, I would say the site was designed somewhere around 1979. It actually reminds me of an old Adam and Eve catalog from the 1970s. Basically a page which a bunch of thumbnails, no titles or descriptions for videos, and you don't even get any clue as to the size and quality until you open the page that has the video on it.
Absolutely no search capability or indexing whatsoever.
I have run out of room to keep complaining
Bottom Line:
This site is probably the biggest ripoff I have ever personally encountered. I went for it basically because they also included a membership to Romanvideoarchives.com. That turned out be an even worse selling point.
Basically I think a lot of these videos actually do date back to the late seventies or eighties. At least they look like they do. The quality is sub-par, even by 1970s standards. There are times when you can tell they just put the camera there, hit record, and that's the only shot your going to see the whole time, even when the actors move out of frame. It really is pretty bad quality just at the most basic, point-and-shoot level.
This site doesn't seem to be updating, though they claim they are. If they are they are only updating with old videos from the archive, because I have yet to see anything that looks like it was even shot within the last five years. Even webcams have better video quality now than what they were using.
The bottom line here is that if you waste a single cent on this site you're getting burned. I am trying to post this ASAP in the hopes I can prevent some of you from making the same mistake I did. If you are looking for cuckold videos there are far better sites like Cuckoldcream that will cost you about the same amount. They have clearly designed this site for low bandwith users, and file size (and quality) designed for streaming or downloading through a 56k modem (remember those days). I guess if you're feeling nostalgic for a five or ten min video that has been broken down into 2min videos meant to be played in about a four inch window, then this is the site for you. Otherwise, I would avoid this site like the plague.
P.S. Don't let the "tour" or "start page" windows fool you. The page shown above (or for this site here) is not the actual "members" page. Once you click "members" it takes you to the page from the 1970s.
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Great videos and all great quality. If you are looking for the full blown (pun intended) experience, then this is a great site. Women force the men to watch, and even take part, as they get fucked by much bigger dicks. If you are looking for cuckolding that takes it to the bisexual realms then this is a pretty good site. Hot models, dumpy guys vs. well hung studs, and some really dirty talk. They also have a forum and some story swapping if you're into that. Tons of pics, videos are less than you would expect, but this is still one of those sites you can spends weeks at and still never see it all.
Cons:
Horrible navigation. At this particular site you can only look movies and pics up by "latest updates" and "models." This is very annoying, mainly because they have a ton of models, and the updates won't let you sort by movie, pic, age, etc. If there is one thing they need to improve it is site navigation.
They will also try and up-sell you on a more complete package. It's a good deal, but just be warned this is one of those sites that will always have more for you to buy. For another 14.95 you can get access to some other fetish sites.
Bottom Line:
Cuckolds as a niche has always been tough search, especially if you want it to go to more extremes like bisexuality. That being said Cum Eating Cuckolds has made a name for itself by offering content that covers a fairly wide range in the cuckold niche.
The chief concern here is endurance. If you're a regular pornophile and download a lot, then you may run out of content withing a month or so depending on your habits. For another 14.95 you can add on their larger network which features another cuckold site (Ultra Cuckolds) which is pretty good too. You will also get Revenge Is A Bitch which is a pretty good femdom (strap-on/bdsm)site.
By itself Cum Eating Cuckolds is pretty damn awesome; I certainly don't want to undersell it. Great quality, great content, very professional stuff. However, the navigation is abysmal and hearkens back to the old days of porn sites. In a way this forces you to really explore the content, so it's not all bad. For a little more money you can expand this into a small fetish network with a lot of more traditional porn thrown in for good measure.
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