I think there is some misunderstanding here. As a subscriber you can automatically go to the scene and download it. Just go to the page and it will stream or download for you. No extra charge. Admittedly some of the wording is strange. I have already downloaded a number of scenes with no problems and no extra charges.
I have found 21st Sextury to be one of the best networks around. I will be reviewing it shortly and I'm in agreement with most of the regulars, in thinking it deserves around 90. Members here would not be awarding marks in the 90's if there were some sort of rip off going on. I did find the wording strange and the home pages some of the weakest parts, especially with that awful floating scene which appears when you pass the mouse over the picture.
I think you have merely misunderstood that your membership buys you acccess to all the scenes on the 39 sites.
Thanks Exotics. Tremendous review, by the way, and everything well explained. I have been close to joining in the past, but I was a little worried there would be too many gynaecological close ups. It now goes back top of the list.
99 per cent. FFS that's high! I thought you preferred softcore to hardcore too. Gotta respect your opinion cos you are one of the most highly respected members here. Have never been a member of this network, but now I'm tempted.
Yes great heads up admiral. It looks like a mere rebranding and material is identical to what you would get joining those other sites. For those $5 offers I simply join for the month, then cancel immediately. Once again I did not receive a confirmation of cancellation and had to contact them. It seems they operate a few dodgy practices but given what some of them do it's not dishonest, just a little deceptive. You gotta watch these guys.
I took up the $5/£5 offer, and I think there's a lot of stuff that is duplicated. I realised it was re branding of the same material, but there's so much on there it will take me ages to get through it all, so as long as they keep sending me the five bucks offer I will keep accepting it. I'm not sure how much is duplicated but it doesn't matter to me, whereas some may join two sites and find the same material. It's high quality mass produced porn, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the quality drop given the state of internet and dvd porn.
Truly excellent review Admiral, telling me everything I want to know. Like you, I am not a big fan of those VOD sites. I probably wont give it a go, but your review intrigues me enough to take a look.
Likewise good to see you back Mbaya - that's you, BadAndy, Exotics, and Wittyguy all back. Now all we need is Toadsith to put in an appearance. Good valuable review by the way, of a site I hadn't heard of.
You put in a lot of work on this, and this great review deserves at least one reply, so here it is - another great, well thought out, and put together review, admiral.
Thanks messmer, yes I think you are right on all counts. Good observation.
I would hope anyone thinking about joining their first site would consider this one above others. It's a perfect safe first site, and it's also great to come back to.
Thanks goldfish. I always find that facility useful. They have not only a list of what you have viewed or downloaded, but a still from each clip. Makes it easy to see what you have viewed. It's handy if you want to find a clip you have viewed, or the dvd where it's from, but can't remember the name, or can't find it.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Great customer service.
No DRM.
No Download limit.
No regional discrimination.
Excellent value.
Picture quality is excellent. They get the video perspective and proportions correct, so people look like people.
3 qualities of streaming available.
Best streaming facilites I have experienced. The new MP4 format is superb. In the UK I am sometimes unable to stream from the hours of 5pm-midnight because of poor speeds. AV gives excellent speed and excellent quality for both streaming and downloads.
You can keep track of what you have downloaded. A personal history of what you have viewed or downloaded is stored for you.
Genuine offer of free tokens for 5 scenes available.
No tricks. There are no buttons you can push that sign you up for some mystery site. Cancelling is easy. They do not try to rip you off.
Excellent navigation.
I found the editors choice for each dvd to be spot on. I nearly always agree with that being the best clip.
Cons:
The only format available for the newer dvd's is MP4 which means their biggest improvement is also a negative, as some people like a choice, and quite a few like wmv to be available. Lack of choice of download formats has always been a negative here.
No pictures.
There is mostly a lack of fetish or niche material or something that is truly original and outstanding. It is mainly cookie cutter bargain basement porn.
There are, as usual, too many girls with tats and fake breasts and a kilo of makeup, looking like pros that have been doing porn for 45 years. This is symptomatic of current porn and especially for this sort of site.
The editorial comments can annoy some people, as they do seem to cater for the less intelligent porn consumer.
Bottom Line:
American Vice is a dvd site, so by it's very nature, the high definition and outstanding original material along with pictures, that a lot of fans crave, is absent here. They can only allow you to access the quality of the original dvd's. This they do, unlike Video Box, which is awful for getting the perspective wrong, so the bodies look distorted.
AV gives a very good speed in the peak hours, here in the UK. On some sites I cannot stream at all from late afternoon onwards. Video Box was impossible to stream, and downloads were the slowest I have ever experienced. It was as though each byte was being individually transported by carrier pigeon, over war torn France.
There are 3 qualities of streaming available, medium, high, and dvd. The dvd quality is very good.
There are 4 qualities of download available, mobile, medium, high, and dvd. Once again the dvd quality is very good.
The customer service is without doubt my favourite on the planet. This is one of the reasons I keep going back. People should not underestimate the good feeling you get from resubscribing to a place, knowing you will get excellent customer service, and not be ripped off.
Like Messmer, I was a little disappointed at the lack of new fetish material or something remarkably different. There has been nothing to match the Black Mirror Productions stuff from a few years ago. There is still some unusual material if you look for it, in fact more than on other dvd sites in my opinion, but like other dvd sites there is relatively little for the fetish fan.
For me the introduction of MP4 has really improved the site. I realise some may not like this format. It gives me great quality. If I join a dvd or video site there is not a lot I will download to keep, so I like a site where I can stream. The ability to stream from AV and the quality of the streaming is vastly improved from when I first joined. I was very impressed when I first saw the quality of the picture compared to before, and also compared to other sites.
At the latest count there are 2527 dvd's available for download. This is less than some dvd sites, but I consider there is a bit more selective quality here. It may be bargain basement material, but some of it is still pretty good. I consider it to have a higher percentage of quality dvd's relative to its stock, than on other dvd sites.
The negatives are inherent to the nature of a dvd site, but are still negatives. Nevertheless, AV gives you the feeling that they care about their customers. They want your money, but they want to earn it fairly by providing the best service they can. This I believe they achieve. For me, this is still by far the best in class, and deserves my highest rating for any site, of 90.
As a late edit I think I have concentrated too much on the negatives. Some of the clips are as good as those from sites making their own material. Lethal Hardcore dvd's appear on here for instance. If you search there is some good stuff.
Okay I'm supposed to be not contributing here anymore because of PU censorship over free material, but I have to comment as I really like American Vice.
Cybertoad I think you'll love this site. It does come down to opinion but I do disagree about some of the things said in the review. The quality of the American Vice videos is IMO, really good. Personally I consider it is at least equal in quality to VideoBox, and is in fact better in one respect. VideoBox does not have correct perspective on some of their videos. So the bodies look really distorted. Unwatchable for me. American Vice gets the perspective right.
There was a comment about mediocre talent. I would certainly say the talent on BrainPass, a site I reviewed recently, is mediocre, compared to the talent on American Vice. The girls in some of the American Vice videos are IMO sensational. The videos are much better, and although BrainPass may have a higher Kb/sec, the original videos are clearly not as good quality as those on American Vice.
There are a number of us here who love American Vice. I know you have the VideoBox groupies, and you have those who are the American Vice groupies, so it's all opinion I guess.
Without a doubt American Vice have the friendliest and best support I have experienced. I compare this to the total lack of customer support and couldn't care less attitude of VideoBox. I guess its clear who I prefer. But I'm not alone. Check out some of the other American Vice reviews. It may give you a clearer picture.
If you want to check out the quality of American Vice, just take up the free video download offer. It's a genuine no strings no dirty tricks offer. See for yourself.
Yeah, but as we know, real spanking is a specialist thing. On the other hand they do have some good Black Mirror stuff. I think they have a better selection of fetish per video than any of the bigger dvd download sites.
There are a few of us here who really love this site, not least because of its great customer service. The difference between American Vice, and the big sites who really couldn't care less about customer service, as they probably consider themselves far too big to worry about customers, is enormous. The great customer service, along with the variety and quality of videos, makes it one of my favourites.
It's one of my favourite sites. Great value for money and customer service. I know Porn.com does a special offer to PU/TBP for $9.95 but you may have a lot of that stuff already. Hope you get some money together soon. Good luck.
Thanks for the info Reg. It's nice to know it's not just us in the UK suffering. There's some strange stuff happening out there at the moment. I don't want to get too harsh about Video Box, but when I was a member last year I had speeds down to 1kb/sec! That site is still my worst by far, for download speeds, but I do get a slow download on a lot of sites now at those peak times.
I guess you noticed the review by Messmer. Great to see you're getting some recognition at last, and featuring high in the PU scores. With your customer service you deserve it. You must hate me - my score of 90 is dragging your average score down!
I don't know exactly, but I have experienced the same thing with many sites between the hours of 4pm until about midnight. It varies but there is nearly always a slow time. The worst speed I have ever experienced was Video Box which was virtually inaccessible between those hours. I found American Vice to be much better for speeds, but there was still a slow time, as there was on a lot of sites. I had BT check this and according to them I had good connection speed.
Yeah! I like it too. At last people are starting to take note of this site. Very accurate review IMO. I agree about the webmaster. One of the most underrated things is customer service. Yes people moan about bad customer service, but do they support sites with great customer service? This is the sort of site customers should be signing up for.
The reason I really love the site is for similar reasons to Toadsith. I joined because of his review. I though he was spot on. They have truly magnificent search and navigation. Video Box getting all the dimensions wrong is a real irritation for me, and would be to any relative newcomer to internet, or a dimwit like me. I rarely disagree with the "editors choice" which picks out the best clip from a dvd. Their customer service is great. From what I've heard Video Box's is lousy. American Vice treat you like a customer, one they are pleased to do business with. With Video Box, you may as well not exist. American Vice now have nearly 1800 dvd's. Not an insignificant amount. I agree with Toadsith, in that, although they have a smaller selection, they make up for that in quality and diversity that you will not see on other dvd sites. In fact I think they have the most diverse content of any dvd site. It isn't that everything is perfect, but given the price, I think it is the best value of any site around. This allied with the feel you get from the site. They do those important things right - video content, video quality, picture perspectives correct, great personal customer service which treats you like a human being, great search and navigation, and NO dirty tricks or con jobs. Okay, not everything is perfect, but you get the feeling that they are pulling for you, rather than against you, cutting corners, or finding ways to rip you off.
Thanks Pornjackker, I appreciate it. I expect you saw the Toadsith review too. I wouldn't have subscribed if not for that. This is the great strength pf PU. It's a bunch of fans getting together to help improve things, and help one another. I think American Vice is one of the good guys, and is the sort of site I'd love to see others spending their hard earned cash on. It doesn't have any of the dirty tricks or catches that really irritate a lot of the people here, so I hope people are going to support it, even though it's relatively low profile.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
The perspectives are correct. The video, and therefore bodies of the models, are not distorted due to the video not fitting the screen correctly.
No DRM.
No download restrictions
No regional discrimination
Great customer service
Wonderful navigation. Once you get used to it, it's easy and efficient.
The sound appears to be actually in synch, unlike some sites.
3 qualities of video. The highest is good quality.
Very good value
Genuine no trick download 5 scenes for free offer.
They do a write up of each dvd and have an editors choice for what they consider the best scene.
You can keep a track of what you have downloaded with a personal download history.
Cons:
Only one billing agent - Epoch
Only one video format - WMV
Not as many dvd's as some sites
No pictures - apart from a few stills from each dvd.
The layout of the site is not as attractive as some. This doesn't affect the quality of the dvd's, it just looks less glossy and appetising.
Bottom Line:
My very first 90, because for me, this is the best in its class.
I have tried to be fair and not let my liking for fetish material weigh too much. For the number of dvd's available, the percentage of fetish is probably better than any equivalent site.
Here are the stats
3 levels of video quality.
480 by 360 with bitrates of 637 kb/sec
480 by 360 with bitrates of 1140 kb/sec
640 by 480 with bitrates of 2147 kb/sec or 740 by 480 with bitrates of 2083 kb/sec.
The customer service is absolutely brilliant. I asked them a question and they answered within the hour. Have you ever joined a site and got that sinking feeling when you realise you've done your money or been conned in some way? Well this gave me the opposite feeling. I consider this to be the best site I have joined. It gives me a warm feeling to spend my money on a site run by people who DO give a shit. Gawd bless yer Toadsith! I joined because of your review.
There are fewer dvd's than on some sites, but this is offset by the quality of what they have. Even after saying that, they still have over 1700. Also there isn't much point having a ton of dvd's with a worthless navigation that makes it impossible to find anything. This allied with the fact they have actually kept the original specifications and perspectives of the pictures. No Video Box situation where quite a few of the videos are distorted because they simply haven't bothered to fit or adapt them properly.
The whole feel about the place is that they DO care. It's those little things (actually for me, they are quite big), like having the correct picture and sound, great customer service, and great value for money.
The only thing is I'm gutted at having to finally award a 90. Ebeneezer Squirrel hates giving high marks, as you all probably have realised. Bah humbug.
I was thinking of joining the 1 Pass For All Sites network, and as I always do, decided to check out the prices for joining from each and every site on the network, because quite often they do vary.
If you join through 1 Pass For All Sites you pay $34.95. If you join through some of the sites on the network you pay $29.95, but if you join through Amour Babes you pay $24.31. I don't know why and it seems to be completely bonkers. I know where I'm signing up from though.
Cheers. I agree with you 100 per cent. The great thing is, if anyone does has have that ripped off feeling from a site, they can come here and warn others. At least that way you can feel good about saving others and making a poor customer service site pay. That's also why the trust ratings and the status of some of the name contributors is so important. Anyone can post a warning, but for me the important ones come from the established names. In the end, how good a site is, will be inevitably revealed.
Is it my imagination or are things getting worse with customer service overall? There appears to be 2 lines of thinking and 2 types of site. One with the excellent customer service, and excellent quality product, which they consider will get them through a recession. The other one is the cutback/no customer service/get as much out of them as possible, attitude.
I know which side I will be supporting with my money. When one of the big trust names here says sometihng like this, I take notice. I hope everyone else does the same. This way the decent sites get rewarded, and so do we: For spending our money wisely we are rewarded, when we receive quality product from quality sites, with excellent customer service.
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