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| 04-23-09 09:33pm - 5684 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
New Star Trek Movie I dunno much about the new Star Trek movie but what do you guys think? I have a feeling it's gonna be a good movie but you are gonna have to think of it as something totally different than actual 'star trek' movies. I hope that makes sense. Kinda like, this movie will be good but probably better if they didn't use the star trek title. But who knows, what do you die hard fans think? I think the people who start with this film as an introduction to the star trek series by watching this film are going to be highly dissapointed when they go back to the series and other films, I remember them being quite analytical and dialogue driven rather than plain old action that the new film looks like it is. Seems like nowadays action is the mainstay for films and if there is none, then it just does not catch people's attention.. :( Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 04-23-09 09:44pm - 5684 days | #2 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
As you said, this one looks way to action-y for me. I'll watch it because I've yet to miss a Star Trek movie in the theater since First Contact (sadly the last good one as well), but I'm not expecting much. Motorcycles and space walk fight scenes aren't what made star trek fun. It was the social satire, the tongue-in-cheek dialogue and the overall camp of it all. It was cool, but it was goofy all at the same time. You always know the writers were laughing too. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 04-24-09 06:34pm - 5683 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I've yet to see a negative comment from those few lucky souls that have seen this movie. Like Toadsith I've never missed a Star Trek movie. I'd have to agree that First Contact was the last really good one. I'll reserve judgement on how close they got to the original Star Trek until after I see the movie. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-24-09 11:47pm - 5682 days | #4 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I am just happy they have not forgotten about such an important franchise. This does make me wonder if there really is a new series coming out. It only makes sense to do so after a movie. It is a great way to catch a new audience. I think the movie will be good. I am concerned about them keeping the facts straight though. So long as some truly geeky people are working with them I am sure they will be kept straight. With sure a long bloodline of Star Trek I think it would be hard to totally screw it up, but I would not put anything past anyone in Hollywood who is looking to make a buck. I just hope it is worthy of the Star Trek name. Speaking of which I hear an episode of ST Enterprise calling me. I am working on season three where they are in the Expanse looking for who ever is planning on destroying Earth. I watched an episode this morning where I merchant was trying to sell them some damn fine women. I think I would have bought a few to be honest. :) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-28-09 02:08am - 5679 days | #5 | |
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deanpro (0)
Suspended Posts: 18 Registered: Mar 24, '09 Location: United Kingdom |
I was never a fan of the Kirk Trek, Star Trek for me has always been Picard and Crew. I'm seriously considering missing this movie, at least at the cinema. It's seems that they've gone all action orientated for this one and I prefer my Trek with a little more thought... http://www.SeriousMistressesForums.com | |
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| 04-28-09 12:54pm - 5679 days | #6 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 04-28-09 01:07pm - 5679 days | #7 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
I just find it so typical that this happens, as far as the action aspect of the film. It's like the producers, writer, and director wanted to make a sci fi action film but had no skill in marketing. So, they slap the 'Star Trek' logo, steal some ideas, and create this film. Just nonsense in my opinion and I'm not even a huge star trek fan. But, I can tell you that one thing I liked about star trek was the fact it was sci fi but was more than just action driven, but more about the dialogue, setting, and characters. Oh well, seems like American viewers nowadays cannot comprehend anything in film if something isn't blowing up every 5 minutes. How many times on my dvd rental site have I looked at viewer reviews for more dialogue driven plots with responses like, "I didn't get it, it was soooo slow" or "Nothing happened, it was just a bunch of talking going on". There are more, but this attitude is why I can't stomach 90% of the movies that come out in the USA lately. On a lighter note, I bet this is an entertaining movie but I think the 'star trek' label should have been deleted. I'd say watch it without trying to even think it's the star trek genre and you will be able to stomach it. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 04-28-09 08:10pm - 5679 days | #8 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Well, lets wait and see before putting too much judgment on it. It seems a lot of people are jumping the gun and saying the movie will be a disappointment. As an American I love seeing people "blowing shit up." But the when there is well thought out stories lines and it is even better. Blowing shit up for a reason is the best type of movie. I was always a big fan of the Star Trek episodes when larger battles were waged and particularly the Borg aspects of Voyager. There was a lot of action but they made me feel like there was something more at stake than the destruction of something. Just my 5 cents (adjusted for inflation) "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-28-09 11:29pm - 5678 days | #9 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
How many times have we heard this before? I have lost count the number of times a series or franchise has been been brought back from the past (sure beats creating something brand new) and reworked, rethought, redone, or simply just rehashed. Even the two newest Batman films were quite entertaining, but I kept asking myself How many Batman movies are there now? as I waited for the next explosion or overblown stunt, particularly during "Batman Begins." Even when the original creator or director is at the helm things can go, well, less than great. Just think of what happened with the Star Wars series for a good example -- could not leave well enough alone I guess. And regarding badandy's comment about American's love for "blowing shit up" -- isn't that how we have defined the summer blockbuster since its birth in the '70s? I recently saw a trailer for the new Wolverine movie (I am guessing the three X-Men films weren't enough to tell his story) and all it is explosions, gunfire, more explosions, claw slicing, and even more explosions. I won't be too surprised if it is a hit and they just start making a film to tell every other character's story. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 04-29-09 11:50am - 5678 days | #10 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
Just seen a trailer for it on the telly and it looks pretty good. I'm not a big fan of the original Star Trek, more of a Next generation fan myself and the new film looks interesting in going back to the roots as it were. www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 04-29-09 12:12pm - 5678 days | #11 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
I think I may skip it until it comes to HBO. You've seen one "blow-em-up action movie", you've seen them all. I was willing to give it a chance when I first heard about it, but after seeing the trailer, I think it will be as disappointing as Transformers was to me. I'm more of a Star Wars guy, but one of my all time favorite movies is WOK. IMHO it is a better movie than Star Wars episodes 1-3 by miles. I'll stop and watch it anytime it's on TV, and sometimes get choked up at the end. I wish they had made the new movie more like that one. I wish they'd just leave the franchise alone. | |
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| 04-29-09 03:43pm - 5678 days | #12 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
That's just the thing about the "Blockbuster" im America, those earlier ones were epic in the way of intermingling action with a well thought out and deep story (of course there are poorly made ones but..). However, I just have not seen anything in about 10-15 years that can compare to anything made during the 70's, 80's, or early 90's. The American directors obsession with special effects and action have created downfalls in all sorts of character progression, quality dialogue, and deeper, well thought out stories. I cannot think of anything that will last in time as long as these original blockbusters. I just don't think I'll be watching these 'blockbusters' coming out these days, in fact, they are so non memorable I probably could'nt even name ten from the past ten years at all. There are no classics coming out nowadays, these films will all be long forgotten in a few years, if they aren't already :( Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 04-29-09 06:01pm - 5678 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
You have expressed exactly how I feel about most of the movies made in the last 10yrs. Too many are about the special effects and most of the others are about product placement. I also have a hard time naming 10 movies that will reach classic level. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-29-09 08:03pm - 5678 days | #14 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
I do not agree completely with the views of many of you on this topic and believe there have been countless great movies in the past 10 years. I am sure we can agree on one thing. I have noticed that a great deal of movies coming out in the past 10 years or so are simply remakes or highly similar spin offs or movies created decades ago. I just seems that many people can not come up with good stories on their own. I do want to bitch about a specific movie here. In on of the Transporter movies the guy has a bomb stuck on the bottom of his car. He, while being shot at, ramps the car off a sideways ramp gets the car to spin and gets a crane hook to attach to the bomb a second before it blows up! This is the sort of thing I believe that makes many otherwise decent movies look like a joke. We all know that only James Bond can pull that maneuver off and it should be kept that way. If you watch In The Name Of The King, gee same actor even, it is nothing more than a rip off of Lord of the Rings and all the King Author stories. So while I believe some great movies have been released this past decade I must say they have released some total junk and wasted some potential great story lines because they could not use a little tack. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 04-30-09 12:58pm - 5677 days | #15 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Aw man, I was gonna talk about those statham (i think that's his name) movies as well but I wasn't sure if they were American made because the guy is British. However, these are the types of 'blockbusters' I'm talking about. They attempt to create such cool stunts and action packed scenes that the viewer (well some or most it seems cause these movies keep coming out) forgets that the actual story is so horrible. A drug that makes your heart stop once adrenaline has ended and make not only one but two movies, err?? Now I'm all for not trying to be too overcritical for movies (I know that most movies are fantasy and that's ok) but the basis and stories for a lot of these movies are just so bad that the creators probably even admit it, but then proceed to state that the movie is for 'entertainment' and the provides that only... Now, as far as movies in general that were made, there are some classics that were made in the past decade that don't fall in to the 'blockbuster' niche. I agree that there were some great movies made but when it comes to the action/adventure/sci fi area, they are just downright bad when made in the USA in the past decade :( Not to get back on track, I hope someone who has the guts to see the new star trek movie can tell us how it is :) Sexted From My iPad Edited on Apr 30, 2009, 01:01pm | |
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| 04-30-09 02:04pm - 5677 days | #16 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I'll grant you there are plenty of crap Hollywood movies out there, but I'd argue picking Transporter 2 as an example is a bad choice in a few ways. Firstly it can't really be pinned on Hollywood because it is French (Europa Corp produced it and Luc Besson helped write it.), but that is largely besides the point since it is filmed in Miami and in English. The real issue is that Transporter 2 is an action comedy - it is both a love letter to action movies and a cheeky admonishment of them as well. Transporter 1 and Transporter 3 sadly try to take themselves seriously - but Transporter 2 does not. Everything is pumped up into a satire of itself. Colors are super saturated. Explosions are made using CGI so they can be even bigger and sillier. The car escapes from police by jumping to another building but their isn't any obvious exit from that building, so they just cut and let it drive across other builds, spanning an alley with its wheels on opposite buildings. Hell, they even make fun of the attractive evil female cliché by actually having her chase the good guy around Miami while wearing only lingerie. This is almost as much of a spoof as The Big Hit was - and that too got panned because people didn't realize it was a complete comedy. Also, don't write off Jason Statham, he is an excellent actor and brings a lot to any movie, even if that movie is a goofy action flick. Slate recently ran an excellent article about him: "How Jason Statham Became the World's Biggest B-Movie Star" If you want to tear apart Hollywood films, I'd complain about Mission: Impossible III (even Philip Seymour Hoffman couldn't save it; not to mention the horror of having to watch Tom Cruise star in something again), Next (I curse Memento for making it again popular for films to rely on a single gimmick to keep the audience in their seat), or Hancock (damn Hollywod for destroying the great idea at the core of that movie, it could have been a classic). These movies had massive budgets and yet they utterly failed in creating a memorable or enjoyable experience. For the amount of money laid on the line, it would be nice if somebody would happily remember the project 20 years from now. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo Edited on Apr 30, 2009, 02:09pm | |
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| 04-30-09 03:36pm - 5677 days | #17 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 04-30-09 03:40pm - 5677 days | #18 | |
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Riffy (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 73 Registered: Jul 30, '08 Location: Scotland |
The perfect Hollywood film would have zombies and dinosaurs from the future battling with aliens. Scantily clad ladies would make the occasional appearance. Stuff would get blown up. Robots would run riot too. www.rockchicksandbikerbabes.co.uk | |
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| 04-30-09 03:45pm - 5677 days | #19 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 04-30-09 06:54pm - 5677 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm a huge fan of the Transporter movies. I own all three and watch each of them a couple of times each year. I never for one minute believed that they took themselves all that seriously. I think that Jason stratham is one of the greatest action movie actor of the last 20yrs. I'd like those of you that think that we have had 10 classic movies made in the last 10 yrs to give me your list. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-01-09 07:30am - 5676 days | #21 | ||
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
As a fan to a fan, I'd highly recommend investing in the French version of the DVD for Transporter 2 if you haven't already. It has reworked special effects to make the explosions and such look better and it is uncensored - the silly American edition has the model's nipples digitally erased. What a waste of good nipples.
I'll post that list one of these days. As usual I've been putting off completing that movie list still. Considering it has already blown past the 10,000 character mark it is probably going to be several posts... "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | ||
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| 05-01-09 06:22pm - 5676 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I know that I have the billingual version because I live in Quebec Canada so most movies are usually released with both tracks included. I'll take a look to see which version I have. I'll wait until you release your list before I try to equal the master. I suspect that your list and mine might have more similarities than differences. I've spent the last 30+ yrs watching movies. Most of these would not be considered classics per say, but in return many of them have reached a cult following. I just find that so many movies made in the last few yrs just want to make money rather than actually make what could be a movie talked in 20yrs time. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-02-09 08:18am - 5675 days | #23 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Star Trek afficianados might object to my referring to them as popcorn movies, but that's how I look at them - people looking for a fun one won't go wrong with the new Wolverine origins movie - Jackman's always entertaining in that character and the movie's got lots of action, humor, emotional charge - not too much CGI to make you feel like a dimwit for watching a cartoon. And to be more on topic - my favorite of the Star Trek series' movies was the one with the Borg Queen - great images in that one. | |
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| 05-02-09 05:25pm - 5675 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Did you enjoy the new Wolverine movie. I was eager to see it but I haven't read a single good review of that movie. The best someone has said is that it isn't a bad movie and these reviews are from geek fans and not mainstream reviewers. The movie you are refering to is First Contact and that was the best one involving the crew from Star Trek the Next Generation.. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-02-09 10:10pm - 5674 days | #25 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I totally enjoyed the Wolverine movie. It got bad reviews? I guess I was lucky that I didn't read any reviews - critics - what you gonna do? It's not going to win any Academy Awards, it's just a fun action movie that should entertain anybody that likes the Wolverine character as presented in the other X-Men movies - X-Men geeks, on the other hand, still can't past the fact that they didn't find a 3 foot high actor to play Wolverine since he's presented in the comics as 1/2 the size of characters like Storm. | |
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| 05-03-09 10:02pm - 5673 days | #26 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
No need to wait for the Star Trek movie. Wolverine opened this weekend, earning $87 million in North American box office. Worldwide total is $160 million for the weekend. That leaves no money for tickets for the upcoming Star Trek. And who wants to wait around for a retread movie anyway? Any PU members going to see Wolverine, please take a video camera along with you, and post the clip onto the PU site for the rest of us who cannot afford the movie-going experience. Post anonymously, because the FBI and other law-enforcement officials are investigating a copy of the film that was released onto the Internet. I read somewhere that Hugh Jackman was crushed by the pirated Internet release of his film. But maybe now he will be able to spring back with his adamantium-enhanced body as the profits roar in. Edit: The video camera was a joke. Not really suggesting anyone illegally tape a movie. But I do think the potential punishment for taping a movie is hard to believe, with the prison time and fines equivalent to the sentences some criminals suffer for manslaughter or murder. Edited on May 03, 2009, 10:20pm | |
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| 05-03-09 10:52pm - 5673 days | #27 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Judging from the stories about how easy it is to buy pirated DVD's in NYC and big cities in Asia, the potential punishments don't seem to be stopping anybody - One problem for anybody in enforcement is that theaters have minimal staff so there's no ushers walking into a theater unless a bunch of customers go howling for one and there's no human operating the projector The other problem for anybody in enforcement is that video recordng technology keeps getting tinier and less obtrusive. If someone goes to a matinee in a multiplex, there aren't very many people in the theater, so pirates have a free hand. Given that I'm one of those morons that pays for porn - according to the views of people that just trade links to pirated stuff - I can't see buying crappy pirated Hollywood movies or downloading pirated Hollywood movies online. When you look at how well action movies do, in general, and that they're probably the first movies pirated and posted, it's hard for me to see that the pirated stuff acts as other than advertisements for the real stuff, though. | |
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| 05-04-09 05:24am - 5673 days | #28 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
The only thing movie piracy does to the movie industry is create an interest in movies. Pirated movies, since they are cheaper than legal movies (otherwise what would be the point), are either lower quality or harder to get - usually both. The market for pirated movies are people that wouldn't be buying movies in the first place. Especially cam videos - if the customer is ok with a horrible, shaky, color-drained video with the audience's heads bouncing during it, then they aren't going to pay for blu-ray. The high quality DVD rips are usually done by college students and others with zero money and excessive amounts of free time. I used to partake in the sport of movie piracy, and it fostered such an interest in it that as I began to earn an income, my movie collection began to grow. It now exceeds 100 movies. The basic point is if you have the money to buy movies, you probably don't have the time to spend acquiring good pirated movies - and if you enjoy the crappy ones, you wouldn't bother buying the real ones anyway. The music industry yelled about losing business with the release of tapes and then again with the release of CDs. In both cases, their total sales increased substantially due to the increase of interest in music that the two mediums generated. The same will be shown for movies down the road. The figures that the movie industry is saying they are losing is a theoretical based on if every copy in the world had been purchased but it is fantasy to think that so many copies would have been distributed if piracy didn't exist. Movie piracy is essentially building them new markets at a price far cheaper than any traditional advertising campaign of similar magnitude. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 05-04-09 12:14pm - 5673 days | #29 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
The entertainment industry will never admit it, but piracy is essentially free advertising. People don't buy them because they hate the film or music industry but have an interest in the art and therefore will actually help with business. The U.S. movie business in particular generates enormous profits, even with all the piracy and copying done around the world. Even if it is stealing (and it is) the industry should at least take credit for creating a product that will still sell even if it is pirated. Furthermore, thanks to Hollywood lobbying, almost all films, including ones considered historic or significant to film history, have extremely long copyrights and will probably never be in the public domain. This means that they will continue to generate profits generations after they were actually created, so movie studios and the government have little to complain about. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-04-09 04:23pm - 5673 days | #30 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
The following is sort of a rant/ramble: My movie collection is way over 100 titles. The movies are certainly not all classics, just a collection of movies I thought I would like to see at least once. Sometimes it's almost as cheap to buy a movie as to rent one (I don't belong to Netflix yet, but might join someday). But we have to be alert to legal challenges about what we as Americans are allowed to watch. The US Supreme Court today (May 04, 2009) basically said that in certain cases, free porn might be illegal. The U.S. Supreme court today ordered a federal appeals court to consider reinstating the $550,000 fine that the Federal Communications Commission imposed on CBS over Jackson's breast-baring performance at the 2004 Super Bowl. The appellate court said the incident lasted nine-sixteenths of one second and should have been regarded as "fleeting." The FCC previously deviated from its nearly 30-year practice of fining indecent broadcast programming only when it was so "pervasive as to amount to 'shock treatment' for the audience," the court said. The case is FCC v. CBS Corp., 08-653. Someone should have to pay for making viewers look at Janet Jackson's breast. I think she appeared in Playboy years ago, with naked breasts, but to expose herself on national TV is obviously a crime against the United States. Did she truly expose herself by accident, or was it really a plot to lower our moral standards? | |
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| 05-04-09 05:00pm - 5673 days | #31 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-04-09 07:19pm - 5673 days | #32 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
The issue really isn't the quality of the public's taste in movies or if they care about high definition or not. The issue is time versus money and how much the hobby is a part of the public's lives. As long as movie (or music) piracy remains illegal and somewhat policed, it will continue to be difficult to use. The most popular sites will be shut-down now and again and the viewers will have to find new sources for their content. This takes a certain amount of time and dedication. The thrifty population that does it will become used to seeing movies. It will become a habit that they return to again and again. When that population starts making more money, they tend to be burdened by more responsibilities and their free time becomes more valuable to them. While they used to troll around the internet for hours and didn't care when they accidentally downloaded a mislabeled movie file, now they are looking at those hours as worth $25 each, or more. Then that $15 legal copy of the movie they can download from Amazon.com looks much, much nicer. It is what they want, when they want it and at a price they are willing to pay for the convenience of it all. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 05-04-09 10:31pm - 5672 days | #33 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Interesting topic this has turned in to and I am going to respond fashionably late. Toadsith brings up interesting points about piracy and the fact of the people who probably are not going to pay and see in the first place or eventually buy on DVD/Blu Ray are more than likely the ones viewing these or attempting to get them. I can account for myself (being a die hard anime fan) that there are plenty of sites and ways to watch (hell, even read free manga "japanese comics") but the convienence only goes so far. It is actually more convienent to purchase these products, especially with the internet; deals are so easy to find. But, a lot still have that thing to go to the store and buy off the shelve resulting in goo gobs of money spent. However, I can say that pirating is something to be frowned upon. While I am not a fan of the entertainment industry in general and the amount of money it revenues in general, I am still quite against the piracy thing. But, the DVD/Blu ray thing has to be looked at in all honesty. While I believe people are just quite prone to the finding free things in general and believe in the "free is free" policy, I really cannot blame anyone for doing it when it comes to dvd/blu ray purchases. Now I know Wittyguy states that revenues rely on these purchases and actually lose out until these come out, I can't see why or how at all with the pricing on movies in general. The reason has to be in the fact that people do not want to pay for various reasons besides the piracy thing. Why do I say this, well, obviously it's the pricing to begin with. Now, I have other factors why I don't see movies in theaters to begin with which is not just price orientated (it is a factor), but these ticket prices are absolutely horrendous and should sway anyone off. Hell, I think one of the most common jokes nowadays is how expensive a date or a night out at the movies is like an short term investment. Now it comes to the prices and wait for these DVD's. After the movie is released and almost everyone (generalizing) say that they will wait till it comes out on DVD, I wonder what they mostly mean. What do they mean? They will wait to rent it when it comes out. Why not buy? A stinkin' DVD/Blu Ray costs anywhere between $15-$40!!?? Give me a break, anyone in their right mind knows this is outrageous as well. Plus, what's with the wait in the first place, how long does or should it take for these to come out? While I know worse movies come out sooner, but some of these waits are ridiculous. And if they think that tactic of the longer you wait, the more you want thing is working, I have to disagree. So what's my point through this essay that probably everyone stopped reading after 3 lines :)? Lower the prices, shorten the wait, and I bet you will see a huge increase. Of course, everyone wants NEW things but I just don't see the incentive to wait that long and spend that much. The result: piracy of course! I'll end it in a quote I hear way too often - "Why spend all this money at a theater or wait a half a year or more after the release to spend a bunch of money on a movie, when I can search around a few hours and get it for free on the internet?". It's sad that people think this but in overall terms, I can totally see and understand why people think this way. Good thing I rent :) Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 05-04-09 11:57pm - 5672 days | #34 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I haven't seen a movie in a theater in over two years, and I don't regret it for a second. Don't get me wrong; I have a love of film, but I also have the patience to wait for the next "greatest film of the year" (which always seems to be determined as soon as the year starts) when it is released on DVD. There is a certain convenience, not to mention the large price difference, that makes renting so much more appealing. I understand that going to see a film in theaters is an experience, but I am still surprised when there are releases that have such huge receipts just in their opening weekend, such as the Wolverine movie. Not to be too much of an ass, but I was kind of burned out on the whole X-Men series, not to mention the endless parade of comics-to-film adaptations of the last ten years, and I was hoping it would be a flop. The studio is probably already filming the next character in the series as I write this, so I should just accept the facts that comics as movies still sell and will be with us for a while. Back to the whole piracy and quality argument, I think we all know, since it is why we are members here, that you have to pay for quality (maybe in porn more than film), and that getting something for free, or nearly free, has its own price. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-05-09 12:10am - 5672 days | #35 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
My head hurts every time this case is brought up (and why the hell is it even a case?!). A woman briefly, "fleeting"ly, and accidently exposes a nipple on live TV (the horror!) and suddenly it is the crime of the decade, if not the century. How screwed up are American values when this is what the judicial branch of the federal government is debating? No wonder these aging fools are appointed to their "supreme" positions, no one would want to elect them. You could have had somebody run on stage and gun down every performer live on television and the whole debate would be about security at the Super Bowl, not excessive violence on TV. If I were a parent I would be more concerned with the extreme materialism and sexual messages in the commercials than a few seconds of non-sexual nudity during another pointless half time show. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-05-09 01:20am - 5672 days | #36 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I can agree with Wittyguy, GCode, Toadsith, PinkPanther, turboshaft et al, that piracy is not a good thing. I recently read of a case where a man sent a notarized letter to a court asking to be excused from jury duty. A photocopy of the letter can be found at: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea...09/0430091jury1.html I believe the man's letter was a model of clarity and forthright opinion. He wrote: "Apparently you morons didn't understand me the first time. I CANNOT take time off from work. I'm not putting my familys well being at stake to participate in this crap. I don't believe in our "justice" system and I don't want to have a goddam thing to do with it. Jury duty is a complete waste of time. I would rather count the wrinkles on my dogs balls than sit on a jury. Get it through your thick skulls. Leave me the fuck alone." After the man was summoned before a judge, the man did apologize for the letter, and he was excused from jury duty. | |
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| 05-05-09 01:52am - 5672 days | #37 | |
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Wicked Domme (0)
Suspended Posts: 1 Registered: May 05, '09 Location: Cardiff |
So, um, Guys? This Star Trek movie, any thoughts on it or a we not talking about it anymore? http://www.wickeddommes.co.uk | |
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| 05-05-09 02:55am - 5672 days | #38 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Thoughts on the Star Trek movie should probably be put on hold until the movie is released this Thursday, May 7, in the US. Wicked Domme, your link leads to 404 Error : The page cannot be found. http://www.wickeddommes.co.uk Are you in hiding? Edit: There's something funny going on. When I click on the URL in your reply, it leads to a 404 error (The page cannot be found). But when I click on what is apparently the same URL in my reply, it does lead to your wickeddommes page. Both URLs appear to be the same, so I don't understand why one URL leads to a 404 error and one URL leads to the wickeddommes page. http://www.wickeddommes.co.uk http://www.wickeddommes.co.uk Edited on May 05, 2009, 03:04am | |
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| 05-05-09 11:12am - 5672 days | #39 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
lk2fireone, the problem with the URL was that the user, when creating their SIG, didn't replace the "url here" with the url when they wrapped their domain in a link. Strangely, we have another user who did the same thing ... acct "deanpro" .. oddly enough, we show both users are using the same computer so we're suspending the newest acct. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 05-05-09 11:23am - 5672 days | #40 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Actually, there have been some court cases that determined that nipples were not genitalia and thus, are not obscene to expose. The cases involved women challenging the law when they were fined for lewd public nudity (defined as exposing the genitals) and also on the grounds that it's sex discrimination to fine a female for exposing nipples if males at the same location are allowed to go topless. With that kind of ruling, there's no LEGAL reason that TV can't start showing topless women. ;) PS. so as not to hijack the star trek thread, I just started a new thread ... Topless in NY Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson Edited on May 05, 2009, 11:30am | |
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| 05-05-09 11:26am - 5672 days | #41 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
And so begins the era of topless news broadcasting... Excellent - I'll no longer need to subscribe to Naked News; I wait in breathless anticipation :-D "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 05-05-09 12:57pm - 5672 days | #42 | |
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runefist (0)
Unverified User Posts: 3 Registered: Jun 16, '08 |
FROM A COMIC BOOK/STAR WARS/STAR TREK GEEK 1) the new star trek movie: J.J. Abrams (director) was on the colbert report a few nights ago and Abrams was saying how the new movie was a re-imagining of the orginal storyline of star trek. I think the new movie may make new fans but will sour alot of old fans. If they really want to save that franchise they should intro a new young crew with a new ship but keep in with the star trek world and mythology 2) X-MEN ORIGINS WOLVERINE: while not staying dead on to the comic book of logan's past, it still holds pretty true to it. It is a great movie for fans of the last 3 movies and it is worth a look for comic book fans. I really hope they do more films like this one! | |
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| 05-05-09 01:08pm - 5672 days | #43 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-05-09 01:43pm - 5672 days | #44 | ||
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
True, that is the other half of it is that there are those who pirate would never buy the movie, even if pirating didn't exist. That combined with what I was saying in regards to free advertising, means the theoretical dollar amounts of theft quoted by the movie industry is absolutely bogus. The real theft is a much, much smaller number - probably just a few percentage points of that massive number - since only a very small number of the consumers of pirated movies would be actually buying DVDs if they couldn't get it free. The over arching point of it all is that while some policing of pirated media is acceptable, jailing kids or putting extremely aggressive copy-protection software on the discs (like done by SONY) is bad business at best. Of course the prosecuting kids thing is more of an issue I have with District Attorneys drumming up votes and whatnot. I suppose I really shouldn't dive into that whole ball of wax right now, but suffice it say, I'm very strongly against prosecuting children as adults - be it for music piracy or murder. Anyway, movie piracy be damned, with Netflix Watch Instant and Hulu around it won't be long before it has little attraction left. Back to the topic of current and upcoming movies: As for the Star Trek thing, yeah us Trekkie purists will probably hate it. Sad but true. For a little while I had hopes what with Simon Pegg as Scottie and Karl Urban as Bones. Then I started seeing more of the actually footage and realized they were taking it in a route that seemed a mix between the new, serious and rather dull James Bond and oddly, the super colorful action of Fantastic Four. At least if my expectations are dismally low I probably won't be too disappointed when I actually see it. As for Wolverine, well - I liked X-Men 1, and especially 2 (3 was horrible) and so I had high hopes when I heard they were going to make a movie focused exclusively on Wolverine since he was always the strongest hero character of the series (with the brief exception of Alan Cumming as Nightcrawler). Then it started getting tons of bad reviews and my hopes dropped. Ebert (whom I generally trust from his written reviews) really panned it though I'm a bit reticent to put my full trust in his review because he said this:
This lends me to believe that he hasn't read much of the source material at all, since Wolverine is in my book by far the most interesting of the X-Men. Drawing the short straw would really be getting cast as Cyclops - though I'd say James Marsden did a respectable job. Granted I wouldn't say Wolverine is the absolute most interesting character ever created by Marvel, but he's probably in the top 10. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | ||
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| 05-05-09 02:39pm - 5672 days | #45 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-05-09 07:58pm - 5672 days | #46 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I won't link to other peoples comment since there are too many, but I currently own over 300(non-porn) movies in my collection. Some I have watched once or twice and others I see at least 4 times a year. I tend to be in Toadsith's camp about the pirating. Having seen a few of them. I can safely say that the quality tends to be poor to average. I don't go to the movies as much as I used to. It's quite expensive, and more often than not the movie is quite disapointing I didn't got see Indiana Jones in the theater, but I bought the DVD. The movie was OK on DVD but I know that I would have been very disapointed had I spent 11$ on a ticket plus 12$ for popcorn and a drink. That makes 22$ as oppose the 19$ I paid for the dvd. Yes, I believe that Janet meant to do what she did. In retrospect it was a rather stupid move and she has paid for that mistake. Do I think that the fine was warranted then the answer is no. We can thank the media for having taken a few seconds exposure and made it into a national disgrace. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-09-09 01:00pm - 5668 days | #47 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
OK, I admit that I might have been wrong. I thought the big opening for Wolverine meant a poor open for Star Trek, because how many movies can people see? And Wolverine just opened last week, so it's still in competition with the newly opened Star Trek. But current estimates are for Star Trek to earn $72 million for its start. This includes $7 million from Thursday night screenings. Wolverine earned $87 million North American opening (without Thursday night screenings). But that's a very strong opening for Star Trek. | |
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| 05-10-09 05:49am - 5667 days | #48 | |
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TalonIcefire (0)
Active User  Posts: 13 Registered: Dec 30, '08 Location: Terra, NAmer, USA, TX |
I saw both the Star trek and Wolverine movies at the cinema on opening nights and plan to see the new Terminator next week. To me, this Star Trek is by far the best in so far as storyline, graphics, humour and general appeal. Yes, it alters the timeline or in essence creates an alternate reality; however this concept is not unknown in the Star Trek franchise. I welcome this piece and welcome it into the family. Wolverine as far as movies go was decent too. If you're a diehard fan, you will most definitely notice the discrepancies from print to visual. Hollywood, never really wants to depict things the way they happened, having to throw they're twist at you and in essence creating a new reality. Additionally, graphics left something to be desired. There were several scenes where you could see poorly edited graphics. I'll refrain my comments on the other subject simply because I just woke up and have not had my coffee. Letum prius Dedecus | |
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| 05-11-09 01:39am - 5666 days | #49 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
TalonIcefire, do you drink your coffee before or after viewing your daily dose of porn? By the way, nice avatar. | |
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| 05-11-09 11:31am - 5666 days | #50 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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