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| 07-06-14 05:50am - 3729 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 583 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
Is Porn Losing Its sparkle or Do You Think Its Great These Days I just thought I'd start a fresh thread to chat about porn and how its changing and what basically I like about it these days and do not. Yeah I'm much more stricter with what I download from sites cause, when I join I'll download girls I find reasonably attractive but I just never ever actually watch them as there is too many average porn these days, its almost lacking in any form of passion or spontanous creativity in the foreplay and sex, just seems so stale and too directed to the point were you just never watch a movie cause you've seen the same exactly played out scene time and time again. Only sites I've enjoyed were the Bang Bros college amateaur style even though most of them are pornstars I know but I like the way they were done without the same old woman & man on a bed going at it, too often sites think just have a couple having sex, no thought gone into it, so dull in my eyes these days. So yeah certain Bang Bros scenes, I liked certain scenes from PornPro network too, I really like female/female/male scenes so was rather impressed with some Teen BFF scenes, they were done amatuer style I like. And Reality Kings too I really love lesbian porn and my fav site is We Live Together, its raw and features anal which I love, the Riley Reid and Dillion Harper movie was just perfection with how I want my lesbian porn, I do wish they did more group stuff though as I love threesome and foursomes the most. Also on that network I love the Moms Bang Teens stuff, some of them are great and they are what I love the most older and younger woman with a guy, its my fav niche I have to admit. I am still rating Evil Angel as good stuff but is tending to find much less attractive girls (in my opinion of course) that are caked it tatoos and do zilce for me. But some stuff they produce is great and amongst the best stuff in my collection is by them so I'll still be returning here. My only downer on some of them sites I've mention and American porn as a whole is the tatoos on the girls, such amazingly beautiful women just in my opinion losing their appeal with these ink obsessions they seem to have over there. You literally struggle to find a girl without one. So then you have these art porn sites, seems like no one is doing arty anal movies though  but art sex is very popular these days. I did like it to begin with but very bored now as most of the scenes just seem the same and too tame for my tastes. Sure they are shot beautiful but I feel most lack any raw passion that I prefer to see.Also have to mention Euro Porn these days I just don't favor, mainly to do with makeup, they just cake it on and make models look far too overly done, it does nothing to me, bare miniumum make or natural makeup to cover up a spot or something, having dark eyes and red lips and what have you just isn't for me, too glam.  . Some studios still get it right and do models up with natural colors that enhances they beauty but often these days its not my bag. The euro porn star clothes too I detest, I would love to see models done up in everyday clothes or dresses like seen on FTVgirls.com "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE Edited on Jul 06, 2014, 06:04am | |
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| 07-06-14 09:00am - 3729 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I wish I could say that porn was losing it's sparkle because that would at least mean that there was still some but if what I've seen so far this year is any indication than the sparkle is all gone. All we are left with now is mediocre stuff made by mediocre people who do a shitty job of copying the stuff people better than them made in the past. I'm actually getting to the point where I don't want to join any site because I fear that I'm going to be more disappointed than anything else with the content and I'm not talking about new sites but some of my favorite ones. Here is part of why I'm dissatisfied. 1-Many of the models being promoted tend to have tattoos which of itself isn't always a problem but these women tend to have them in the wrong place and/or they have some very large ones. 2-Too many of the new models are just too wooden in their performance or can't fake an orgasm and that reduces the heat level of any scene they appear in. 3-Too many of the models are in porn to get noticed and by default allow them to increase their escort rate or they simply didn't realise what porn was like and they disappear before they make a splash. In either case us fans get teased but never get satisfied. 4-We are losing too many established performers because of a lack of jobs and that means we are stock with only new girls and I have already said what is wrong with that. 5-Too many porn scenes go for the extreme stuff rather than the passion and we are stuck with mediocre porn with an emphasis on clinical views of genitalia being penetrated rather than two people enjoying their bodies. 6-Where as kissing gone? There was a time when two people having sex would actually kiss each other. These days I see more girls licking another girls ass than actually kissing her mouth. I'm no scientist but if it's a choice between kissing a girls mouth or her ass. The mouth is always going to win. 7-There are new trends like rosebud porn. Most medical students will never see a woman's innards but we are stuck at having to watch two or more girls play with their own or their partner. 8-Where have all the good male performers gone. I know not everybody cares about that but I always did because if there is a guy in the scene than I prefer that he not look like a refugee from a puck rock concert. I always apply the same rules for guys as I do for girls and that includes tattoos. If he as a ton of them then it's going to be a distraction. It also doesn't help that they aren't very good actors and don't seem to know what to do with a woman. Mind you if rumors are correct than too many of them seem to come from the gay side of the industry which might explain why they don't know what to do with a woman. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-06-14 02:01pm - 3728 days | #3 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
Pat, I couldn't agree more. To compare the majority of the performers today with the stunning girls from Andrew Blake etc 20 years ago is pitiful. The pathetic money and horrible abuse the girls have to suffer mean that high class girls just don't do it any more - and if they get into it without realising what it's like they get out of it quick. Even the majority of girls on the "heartcore" sites are really nothing special. As you say, for many girls it is a loss-leader for their escort work. Porn is just a grotesque freak show now. Nothing joyful or beautiful, just an endless stream of extreme, painful and dangerous acts. I'm no longer a member of any sites at all. I may rejoin SexArt & TheLifeErotic for a month, but even they are slipping. I can't imagine taking a long term membership to anything again. | |
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| 07-06-14 04:02pm - 3728 days | #4 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Finally, we can all agree on something. 2014 has been a very bad year for porn so far. While I've stood up in favor of the more extreme stuff on the principle of freedom of artistic expression, the classier stuff has always been my favorite. I really love elegant, artistic shoots done well. Porn just isn't catering to my tastes that much anymore. Within my favorite nice, peeing porn, I have in my collection content from over 600 sites, almost half of which are closed now. Of the sites that remain, fewer than a third are still updating, and more than half have removed at least some older content or just fallen into disrepair. This year, pee sites have been closing at the same rate they once opened during their proliferation in the early 2000's. Only one has opened so far this year, powerpiss.com, and I joined today and downloaded all their content, which is just 35 videos, in less than 10 min. It's not even really new content, it's just videos from joyangeles.com that they moved to another site. I guess porn goes through cycles of boom and bust just like every other industry, and this year has been a bust of epic proportions. Well, if it had to happen, I guess this year is better than most others, because my work is eating up almost all of my time now. I think it will turn around eventually, and hopefully I'll have a bit more time on my hands whenever it does. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 07-06-14 06:00pm - 3728 days | #5 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I think one of the main reason why sites that offer pee type content are closing is because in many ways watching someone pee is not sexually stimulating for most people so the overall number of interested parties is already lower than for other types of fetish. By default that means that those sites were already disadvantaged over other sites with a bigger fan base and when the World economy took a dive in 2008 than they were sure to suffer the most. Tube a torrent sites have done the rest. Cost of production was never an issue as it's probably one of the cheapest thing to shoot but you still need to make a profit to be able to pay for those shoots. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-06-14 06:01pm - 3728 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Are those sites still able to hire models that are all natural and attractive or is the crop of available talent also suffering? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-07-14 01:43am - 3728 days | #7 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
TLE is a little different as the material is darker and the girls are often not obviously attractive, so I'll give them a pass. They rely on imaginative photography rather than beautiful girls, but were definitely in a bit of a quality drop at the time I left. As for SexArt, I think they pretty much get the best of what's available, but a lot of the girls aren't that special. When I left they were running a long series (12 parts, I think) starring 2 girls - both were pretty good performers, but one wouldn't have got a job as a fluffer on an Andrew Blake set and the other, while cute & young, looked more like a garden gnome than a porn star. It used to be said that the best looking girls did porn, and the next best went into prostitution. Its the other way around now. Last year I went to an FKK club in Switzerland with some clients. As a very happily married man, not exactly what I wanted to do, but I sat around, chatted to the girls, and faded into the background. At least half the girls there were prettier than anything you see in porn, and this wasn't a top of the range place. I had a drink (honest!) with a 19 year old Romanian girl who looked like Little Caprice with bigger eyes & breasts. She spoke perfect English, and was stunning. I asked whether she had thought of modelling and told her who she looked like - she laughed at me and said she was safe in the club, got regular money, and "don't have to do nasty things". This drop dead gorgeous girl felt better off turning tricks for $70 a pop in a club. That's what's wrong with the porn business. From a purely selfish point of view, the obsession with brutal, nasty, abusive material in porn has meant that I don't get to see the most beautiful girls in the world having nice sex any more. | |
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| 07-07-14 03:22pm - 3727 days | #8 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
I like the women who perform for DDF and 21stSextury. Eve Angle, Zafira, Blue Angel and Sophie Moone. I just get tired of the same old sets. They're not very creative. It is the same thing over and over. I have joined sites that I thought might be different and they turned out to be the worst. The same scene done again and again. I sometimes think I am the only porn user that likes a little more then, "lets strip and screw for 20 minutes." How many copies do you need of that. Oh look, there doing it in the kitchen. Like that is suppose to make it exciting. I can only think,"people really prepare food there after that." For the DVD market, the parody seems to be all they have going for them. There is not a movie or TV show that has not had a stupid parody made of it. Please hire some writers that can create and not mimic their way through a plot. My rant for the day.  Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 07-07-14 04:25pm - 3727 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I don't know if you are aware but you named 4 performers that are no longer active and most haven't been for quite a while now. Some of them will sometime do a new scene but those are so rare that I still think of them as retired. At least when it comes to porn. Many of them went the escort route in the past and have never come back. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-07-14 04:58pm - 3727 days | #10 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
I think I lost my sparkler to be honest. It's the same porn I've been seeing since I started viewing (except for Rosebuds).  If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 07-07-14 06:52pm - 3727 days | #11 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Not to sound too ageist, but I think this is a generational thing, as a lot of younger/newer performers have tattoos, just as a lot of younger people in general have them. It's also not exactly a conservative industry to begin with, and except for some limited "glamour"-type stuff, tattoos aren't really a deal-breaker for most sites. And I still almost always prefer them over the grosser body modifications out there; breast implants, lip injections, labiaplasties. (Admittedly, that last one appears to be rare--all shapes and sizes are more than welcome in my book!  )But some performers do make some pretty radical modifications over the years, and while I am not one to tell people what to do with/to their bodies, I understand how it could take some fans by surprise. For example, I've watched a few recent scenes with Kirsten Plant, a Czech girl who currently rocks a more Suicide Girls-esque look. But compare that to what she looked like only a few years ago--very different, to say the least.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 07-07-14 07:12pm - 3727 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
With all due respect, guys ...... I think the term best associated with this malady touted by the pundits might be called "jaded"  Funk an' Wagnall .....or better yet, the inquirer's Internet masters: "Wikipedia" may have more to say on the subject. | |
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| 07-08-14 02:44am - 3727 days | #13 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
Interesting discussion. Turboshaft is right about tattoos being a generational thing; we select against tattoos when we can, but it's getting harder and harder to avoid if you're committed to shooting real, everyday, amateur models, (who increasingly often have tattoos). OP, I'd suggest you go off the beaten path a little. You made fair criticisms of the examples you listed, but they're very mainstream. No better place to prospect for porn with that 'certain something' you're missing than here; a porn review site. As far as we go, we're based in Europe (nowadays, formerly of Australia), but the girls wear *zero* makeup (not natural looking shades). The majority of our content is a bit softer than what you've described liking (solo interview and masturbation), but we do have a *lot* of girl-girl scenes (plenty of which feature anal play). Suggestions off the top of my head for you to check out would be Ishotmyself.com (it's arty, but raw, and often features hardcore content), x-art is very hardcore (maybe too much, if you're not very into it). Maybe if you told us more about what you *do* like? | |
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| 07-08-14 05:35am - 3727 days | #14 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Drumroll please...... recognizably for another welcome and interestingly insightful post, our worthy webmaster from down-under has bought to us to think about today. All of which, before preceding, gives me a window to plug the genre he's representing on his own site. Solos geared to the likes of "I feel myself" ... and especially Abby Winters, unwaveringly always have been among my all time favorites in my choice of porn. Fair to say, In my simple quest to ditto the main attraction created and laid upon this post by AWpress ....of which included otherwise in this thread .......an additionally | |
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| 07-08-14 07:24am - 3727 days | #15 | |
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Marphel (0)
Active User Posts: 10 Registered: Mar 08, '11 Location: USA |
Why am I dissatisfied with todays porn? Too much attention is given to the male performers and little or no attention to the females. This is my experience, maybe you can relate. I'm on a website and see an update featuring one of my favorite models/actresses or I see an update with an attractive newbie and I get really excited. That excitement quickly turns to disappointment and frustration once I begin viewing the video. Why? Because the 25 minute video has too many close-ups of the MALES face and his facial expressions. Lingering and extended views of his ass-crack, nut sack, hands and other body parts. Meanwhile the female performer (the one you so desperately wanted to see) is totally ignored by the camera or she is obscured by the male actor. For example, she may have a perfect ass, but WE never get to see it because through most of the video her ass is covered by male hands (the actor, cameraman, and crew members). Then there are the ridiculous fuck positions and idiotic stunts so prevalent in porn. Most of which highlight the male performers insatiable desire for attention and misogynistic urges to degrade and overshadow the females. If that is not enough to annoy you, on some Networks (DDF, 21st Sextury) the majority of their updates feature boy/boy/girl scenes. So now you've got two males jockeying for attention and cock blocking the female. While I'm ranting here, someone please explain to me why a man (after 15-20 minutes of vigorous sex) needs to jerk himself off for 5 minutes to finish the job. Especially when there is a gorgeous female right in front of him who is more than willing to finish what she started! This is what I see: Too much attention and emphasis placed on the males. Little or no attention given to the females. The rampant misogynistic treatment of female performers. The overuse of gay stunt cocks in hetero porn. The fact that nearly every scene ends with prolonged on camera male masturbation. Well .... It's all too fucking gay for me. My interest in porn begins and ends with BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. Guys are welcome to join in, but the person behind the camera and the stunt cock in the scene need to recognize their job is to showcase the woman. That's it. Edited on Jul 08, 2014, 08:56am | |
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| 07-08-14 01:09pm - 3726 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:31pm | |
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| 07-08-14 02:23pm - 3726 days | #17 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Its not you its me, syndrome had been hitting porn over the last two years. Its no surprise porn is not alone as many areas of the world. Things are just slowing down. My reasons i think it appears slowing down. 1. Hardrives, Ram, hosting and bandwidth are cheaper and you get more for the $$$. Yet porn sites are raising prices. 2. Higher prices mean people tend to buy less or be more picky. This hurts the new kids trying to get a run at it. 3. The internet did something 10 years ago, it took all mystery out of fucking. You could be a virgin and know more about sex, and fucking then anyone could have learned from playboy, or Hustler. This was bond to catch up. 4. As Pat mentioned, anyone over id guess 35 is getting sick of tattooed everywhere. Sometimes its sexxy, but not if everyone does it. Sometimes a nice sexxy, non surgical enhanced is nice and its getting more rare. 5. The extremes are hitting a wall legally and physically. Unless you are planning on breaking the law very little will or has been new in the last few years. VS technology is way off in the distance so porn is porn is porn. 6. The government is making it known in many countries its watching what you do. Look growing up we all had adult magazine, but you didnt want your parents watching you read them. Something occurs when porn is not risky or challenging. 7. Lets face it the economy sucks for many, now if you have a choice to buy a month subscription to HUNT AND FUCK or pay your water bill . Not allot of choices. Growing up, we all hand firearms, we went shooting and no one cared. There was no mass shooting to speak of and everyone had one. Growing up we all had playboy, we all did not grow up and become pedophiles and rapists yet we all read those smutty books. Society grew up and all of a sudden everyone else knows what better for us, I have never hurt anyone with a gun, and the most that happen with playboy was pages got stuck together hehe    . Porn is a victim of the society around it, once Flint and Hefner were adult industry gods. That ship has sailed and now porn is not for fun, its for business and its starting to feel that way, I think that alone is hurting the industry. Guns and many other things were just things people had and then it all got fucked up and mixed together,porn is no different. Its a cluster fuck, of goverment, political bulshit that eventually is affecting how we see porn, how we buy porn and even why we buy porn. My Name is Cybertoad and I approve this message.  Since 2007 | |
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| 07-09-14 04:44pm - 3725 days | #18 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
What Wittyguy said. And here's a little more. I remember when the only thing that was world wide was the wait, and that was for pixelated coitus or T 'n A at less than 640x480. Photo galleries were sometimes broken into packages of around 10 mb or so; you'd have to unzip them one at a time and put them together. You know: dialup. I could go back further to the VHS days ... And maybe it is in a decline of sorts, but not where my tastes are. I'm content. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 07-09-14 05:25pm - 3725 days | #19 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't think it is because we aren't complaining about all the porn but what passes for porn today. I can watch a crappy video from the 70's and 80's and I am super thrilled but I can't say the same for most of what I've downloaded this year and if I'm being honest with myself than what I've downloaded in the last couple of years. I'm more nostalgic than anything else. I feel sorry for the people who started watching porn in the last 5 years because they think it's really good and the women are really hot. some of it is good and some of the women are beautiful but they pale when I compare to older porn. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-09-14 05:58pm - 3725 days | #20 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I’m a bit late to this party, but I think we’re living in the golden age of porn, but there are some issues, and definitely some storm clouds on the horizon. I think these are great days for porn (though I agree that we’re on the waning edge of that) just due to the availability of it, the variety of it and the ease of which we can amass huge collections without needing to add an addition to the house. I make a lot of these observations based on my experiences in obtaining porn when I was finally able to legally do so. Actually, that isn’t entirely accurate since even though I was legal, the material wasn’t. Back then owning a copy of Debbie Does Dallas in my hometown was illegal thanks to the now-antiquated ‘community standards’ laws. Finally an entrepreneur took up the cause and opened an adult shop. He had visits by the police regularly until ‘community standards’ changed. That took a while. But even then it meant spending a lot of money to buy a DVD or less money to rent. But it also meant driving to a populated area of a small city and entering a store on a busy street. Then there was the storage of this. Owning a couple of dozen VHS tapes was a pretty big commitment for storage, especially if you were trying to be discrete. Things were a bit better when DVDs came along, but the cost was still high, you still had to go to the porn store, and even though DVDs are smaller than VHS tales there is still a problem with storing them discretely. Now back to today where for the cost of one VHS or DVD movie with three or four scenes I can get a membership to a site offering hundreds or even thousands of scenes. I can get this membership from the comfort and privacy of my own home, and storage is cheap and it is easy to store a few hard drives discretely. On top of that, if you properly back your stuff up it should live forever, unlike a VHS tale which deteriorated over time or unlike a DVD with one scratch that could render it unplayable. Add to that the variety of porn available. Sites now cater to any legal niche you can think of. Maybe the best part of that is that back in the old days I’d be disappointed to learn that all the new releases at the local shop were BBW-themed. I just avoid those sites now and go to any of hundreds that cater to my personal tastes. But I do think this golden age is coming to a close. I think piracy is the biggest threat by bleeding profits off of new porn and driving wages down. This race to the bottom won’t help any of us. The other negative element coming is the political move to the right on these issues and the willingness that more people seem to have to impose their religious-based morality on others, or the soccer mom mentality of protecting the children. One possible remedy for this will be the inevitable end of the ‘community standards’ test. I won’t predict that it will happen soon, but it’s hard to argue that me sitting in my house downloading a porn video that I bought on a server in another part of the planet can offend my neighbours. Just a few thoughts… Pat made some interesting points that I’d like to comment on: Tattoos: as others have said, that’s a generational and cultural thing now and not a porn thing. A young woman who is a porn star or a Starbucks barista is just as likely to have tattoos. I’m like many who are anti-tattoo on models with otherwise unblemished skin, but I also like the other end of the spectrum where women are heavily tattooed. I can’t explain that to myself so I won’t try explaining it here either. Extreme stuff versus passion and kissing: I agree fully with this. I miss that in porn, and to get it back doesn’t require going back to ‘features.’ Just add some passion and normal intimacy and the heat in the scene will go off the scale. I know many won’t agree with me on this, and some for completely different reasons, but as a fan of anal porn I miss the days of more intimate anal sex. These days it seems all too common to use anal sex as some sort of an endurance test. There is nothing about anal sex that excludes passion and intimacy. Good male performers: I’m glad that pat raised this. I think this is an issue too. Where are the decent looking men who know that they’re not the stars and do the job they were paid to do. I find it distracting when the male talent looks like he got out of jail earlier that day. Interesting thread. Thanks for starting it. | |
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| 07-09-14 06:00pm - 3725 days | #21 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Can't we have both??? Sort of like 'man cannot live on bread alone...'  | |
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| 07-10-14 10:53am - 3724 days | #22 | |
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biker (0)
Active User Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
One of the reasons I prefer Lesbian over straight is the amount of affection over the slam bang of hardcore. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 07-10-14 11:06am - 3724 days | #23 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
I'm not denying it's a golden age for CHEAP porn. It's just that it is now all about volume, with little beauty or style. As you say, most of it is an endurance test to see just how much abuse the female body can withstand. As for the male performers, I blame viagra. These days they don't have to actually be aroused, which for most men would require at least a little intimacy. They just pop a few pills, and pile away at the girls. That's why they so often find it hard to ejaculate. | |
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| 07-10-14 04:57pm - 3724 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Add kissing to why I also prefer lesbian porn. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-11-14 05:19am - 3724 days | #25 | |
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
I really disagree. Well, let me qualify that; there is more bad porn than ever, sure. But there is also more good porn than ever. It could be that the ratio is worse now, that's a matter of opinion; either way, there's no denying that the total volume of excellent porn is greater now than at any point in history. Back in the 'good ol' days', it was impossible for studios to focus on a niche they were very passionate about- everyone had to go mainstream and cater to the mass market (maybe with a little twist). Since the advent of the internet, though, it has been possible for all manner of obscure and focussed niche sites to sell direct to a similarly focussed audience, with relatively low overheads. In general I find this is true with most things. When people say music has gone to shit, for instance, what they mean is that there is more bad music than there ever was before. But there is also more good music than there ever was before. Way more. Culture has just changed; instead of being delivered curated content on tv, the onus is on us wade through the cruft and find what is specifically good for us. | |
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| 07-11-14 04:35pm - 3723 days | #26 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I agree. There's as great a volume as there ever was of available porn, but as always has been the case, you have to find out what's good (for you) and what's not. And with porn it's not quite as simple as inspecting an onion in the produce section. I've been disappointed by plenty of sites over the years, and delighted by some. At least we can hedge our bets better than before with TPU and PU. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 07-11-14 05:53pm - 3723 days | #27 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Yet, I also frequently tear up when I am watching porn. Wait...I-I'm not the only one who does this, right?  But seriously, I disagree with all this gloom and doom talk, and I don't really think porn has lost its "sparkle"--which may just be a wet spot, who knows--that instead we're really in a glut of choices and quantity. So rather than having a few select great studios or sites, there are pretty decent choices all around, but so many that it can look kind of bland and overwhelming. Everybody doing everything (or at least experimenting) can get kind of boring after a while. So, while I'm not one for Twitter feeds, conventions, or private cam shows, it's more than what most of us could've dreamed about a couple of decades ago when the Internet was known only to a few nerds, and not for any perverted reasons. And though I don't feel that old--cross fingers!--I've been to more than enough porn shops in my time to know that I much prefer the digital version. We should all be so grateful. Don't get me wrong; I have some "good ol' days" feelings myself. Like when Belladonna or Aurora Snow were still performing on camera (or not becoming a mom!), which doesn't make me feel old so much as I worry that perhaps they've moved on with their lives more than I have. Or back before ALSScan did boy-girl content, or whose models weren't the girlfriends/hangers-on of Charlie Sheen. (Really, as dirty as the site could get, it all seemed like innocent fun until the moment you realized you were looking at a woman who got boned by the guy who played Chris in Platoon. It just breaks my heart.  ).So it's maybe for the best that I enjoy the present and look toward the future.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 07-12-14 09:27am - 3723 days | #28 | |||
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Your statement would have been true 3 or more years ago but 5 years is likely more accurate but you can't say the same for what has been done since then. Of course if you add the porn made prior to that to todays stuff than yes there is a lot more good than bad but I don't know if that's what you meant.
How far back are you going for your good old days? Are you saying prior to 2000 because you have had plenty of niche porn since then. The same can't be said for prior to that but if that's the case than I wouldn't talk about porn made when the internet was not yet the main way people got their porn fix.
I don't know about you but most of the popular music made today is so similar to each other that it's often hard to tell who the artist is. I guess taste vary but I don't call the type of music done in the last 5 or so years to be all that good. It's not horrible but will we really be listening to it 20 or more years from now? The fact that artists that have been in the business for 20 plus years are still in high demand tells you that they had talent. Long live the Brown Coats. | |||
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| 07-14-14 09:01am - 3721 days | #29 | ||
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AWpress (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 118 Registered: Nov 20, '12 Location: The Netherlands |
That's exactly the thing; by 'popular music' you'd mean the stuff that's on the radio. Right now, there are orders of magnitude more amazing music in being made in every conceivable subgenre than ever before- as well as in new subgenres. Classic rock, blues, jazz, classical, every subgenre of metal, electronic, folk, you name it; the artists of today are so empowered to create and publish. The difference is that they have considerably less individual cultural impact compared to the days when big media ruled the airwaves and curated the content. Bowie, Dylan, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, the Beatles- all of these guys had immense cultural impact because they were picked up by massive labels and broadcasted to the world ad nauseum. Their music was great, that's why they were chosen, but the lasting cultural impact that makes them 'classic' has a lot more to do with limited channels of media monopolised by relatively few firms back then. At the time there was of course an 'underground scene', often from which stars were plucked by the big labels, but great acts from the same periods don't have the same cultural impact, instead being favourites of genre enthusiasts. Right now, in the genres of the aforementioned classic acts, there is a staggering amount of artists producing music that is just as good - the onus is on fans of said genres to seek it out on the various online 'scenes'. Or, if one can't be bothered, just listen to whatever big media spoonfeeds mainstream society. A different example, demonstrating the same trend: beer. There is a certain veneration for antiquated quality brews with centuries of tradition behind them. Many regard the trappist ales brewed to the same recipe for centuries to be among the greatest beers in existence- and they are damn good. But with the explosion in information and accessibility to craft and microbrewing, there are now more breweries and brewers than ever before. Anyone can find the information and equipment they need to become a master brewer, if they're dedicated, and many people have, all over the world. Relatively new American breweries produce ridiculously good brews in traditional styles, easily exceeding many venerated established brands. Same everywhere. There has always been good beer, for those who cared to find, but now there is more, and it is easy to find, easier to make. Of course, all along, there has been bad beer, for those that don't really care either way. That's ok, not everyone has to be a beer aficionado. There's volumes more bad beer than ever before, as the global market has continued to expand. So, we have a situation where there is more good beer, and more bad beer, than ever before. Yet there is a perception that the 'golden age' of brewing was some time between the middle ages and the age of colonialism. It's just not true. The golden age of beer is now. The golden age of music, film, art, dance, industry, science, language, and academia is now. | ||
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| 07-23-14 10:44am - 3711 days | #30 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Your opinion on this very much depends on your personal preferences. With the progress of technology, digital video is increasingly the predominant medium focussed upon, & undoubtedly it has come on in leaps & bounds. Regardless of this, it still really doesn't float my boat, so vast swathes of what is available wasn't,isn't & probably never will be on my radar. Whilst there are still some sites providing decent photoset material, most appear to see it as an adjunct to the video & it doesn't get anywhere near the amount of care, time & attention in preparation it used to receive. I do still run one subscription, but that is way down on the average of 4 at a time I used to subscribe to in my 'golden era' of porn, which was 5 - 10 years ago. Suffice to say, I get plenty of pleasure from my extensive archive that I built up during that time. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 07-23-14 03:06pm - 3711 days | #31 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Capn, You make a good point. I only have about 10gigs of photos left in my collection a HD failure a year ago, lost me the picture I had as it was pic drive only. I have many I wont get back sadly. I think many will miss them when they are gone. I know I do. It took me years to collect about 750 gigs of photos. I just ended DDF network and they had pic sets, but they seemed done as you mentioned. I felt their photos where done cause they had to not wanted to. And is why I only have a few sets. Vid are good but miss allot of what photos offer, I also think the more old school a person is the more photos hit home. I would guess anyone over 40 knows about a Playboy collection in their youth. Most in the last two decades know mostly internet porn. I miss my pics  Since 2007 | |
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| 07-24-14 04:30am - 3711 days | #32 | |
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Parsnip (0)
Active User Posts: 39 Registered: Oct 29, '13 Location: Atlanta, Georgia |
I think the problem with a lot of the niches is that they have become so extreme as the producers have no interest in reaching out, just in squeezing every last cent out of the people they already have. These days an anal site won't be simple anal sex, the girls will be taking 5 cocks violently up the ass until they're bleeding, all doing cream pies, and then drinking the residue. A bondage site isn't just bondage, it is girls being beaten and kicked senseless, having 4 dildos shoved into their anuses at the same time, half drowned and just left a crying semi-conscious wreck on the floor - of course with an "interview" afterwards to say it was all fun really. There is no restraint anymore, and reasonable people find most professional porn repulsive - which is why amateur material, even if badly lit and shot, is so popular. Our niche, if you can call it that, is beautiful stylish people having beautiful stylish sex. That barely exists now - when did someone last make a film like Zazel? | |
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| 07-24-14 11:06am - 3710 days | #33 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Yes,I agree. I think many things in life go that way. We want to always push things to the edge. When I was a Kid somethings I did as a kid was pretty crazy, was completely normal to drive 90MPH anywhere I went. Car had a corvette engines and it did what it was supposed to doing a 140 was just for kicks. Do that now and they take your car and lock you up. Porn took the whole other route, it went from sexxy and fucking, was dirty and nasty terms. Today it moved to how far can I push this before its rape or abuse. And is consent for money mean I can do what ever I want. There was a sting in SF in the 70's that put a few movie makers in jail, for doing anal. They said it broke laws and a few people served jail time for rape and sodomy claim was a person could not be paid to have anal sex. 4o years later, Anal is foreplay.  Female masturbation scenes are light porn. I think when porn took the innocence out, it was a down hill issue from there, it snot that porn was innocent back then. But the internet bred too fast the extremes that never would have occurred this fast. Since 2007 | |
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| 04-20-15 03:23pm - 3440 days | #34 | |
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Porn is art (0)
Active User Posts: 3 Registered: Apr 06, '15 Location: Chicago |
I really disagree with almost everyone on this forum. I think porn the past few years have been the best by far. I mean, look at a network like Reality Kings, which I've been subscribed to on and off for over a decade. Look at the most recent 50 updates and compare those girls to the girls from any 50 pre-2005 updates. You cannot tell me the older girls are hotter. And you cannot tell me that the sex is better and more erotic. This is not true for Reality Kings only. It's true for almost all major networks. But it kinda makes sense to me why I disagree with most people to a great degree for several reasons. 1. I LOVE girls who look extremely slutty and down right nasty. I think it's one of the hottest things when they are unhealthily skinny (like Sarah Jessie). But that doesn't mean I don't like girls with more athletic bodies like Marsha May and Sienna Splash. But something you'll notice about a lot of my favorite pornstars is that they look like they have very little self respect for themselves and I fucking love that. 2. Just how I like when super sexy pornstars LOOK like they're useless other than sex objects, I love it when they ACT like they are useless other than sex objects. I know it sounds horrible but I love when it seams like a pornstar has absolutely no self-esteem and finds temporary bliss from having sex, further damaging her well-being once the sex is over and making her eating disorder even worse. (I of course don't actually wish this on any of them. This is where good acting comes in). A great scene that illustrates this is Teagan Presley in What Gets You Off 4 by 3rd Degree. She just allows herself to get owned and she acts like her only purpose in being alive is to be sexually used. 3. Tattoos, fake boobs and the super generic looking bimbos. I don't know if it's a generation thing but I don't understand the hate on them. I think tattoos and fake tits are so incredibly sexy. I love girls like Monique Alexander and Sarah Jessie because the tattoos make them look so fucking skanky; to me tattoos and fake boobs make girls seem more like sexual objects, which by now you know I love. Although I did not like it when Jessie Rogers got her fake boobs. 4. You may have guessed it, I do not like intimacy in porn. I like hard, mechanical, dirty sex. One of my favorite things in porn is when the actor and actress meet for the first time and have sex almost right away without even ever kissing each other first. To me, the purpose of porn is to be a part of something "wrong" and wild. You can get plenty of intimacy during real sex, so why would you want intimacy in your fantasies? That's just me tho. 5. This is a byproduct of me liking super slutty and raunchy girls who just can't get enough sex; but I love threesomes with two guys and I also love blacks on whites (two blacks on one white girl is ULTIMATE!) 6. My 2nd most favorite kind of pornstar are tiny and incredibly young looking teens who can take an intense pounding from a massive dick. Pornstars like Chloe Foster, Alice Green, Janice Griffith and the earlier stuff of Jessie Rogers are some of my favorites. 7. The male actors today are so much more powerful and generally have much larger dicks. I'm not attracted to guys but shit male pornstars from before were old, fat, hairy and couldn't pound a girl non-stop for shit with their mediocre size dicks. Today, they are in great shape, large dicks, can rail the girl hard for very long and just better looking. I think it makes a scene more genuine when you know the girl finds the actor as a sexually attractive person as opposed to hairy, fat truck drivers. So these are the main things I love in porn and it seems like that's what has been becoming really big the past several years. That explains why I think porn today is by far the best it's ever been. But that's just me. | |
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| 04-21-15 01:49am - 3440 days | #35 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Welcome as a new member. Opinions are broad and varied here. I'm mainly just adding this for conversation's sake. Reality Kings has long been one of my favorite networks, but I can't say I've had a subscription over the last few years. And you're possibly right about networks improving, but that leaves many other questions. How many good or above good quality solo model sites are left in 2015? I would guess there was 100s just ten years ago or even five years ago. What about sites that were huge in the early to mid 2000s like Twistys, Teen Dreams and ATK's sites? Sites that have now turned into messes or attempts to somehow squeeze in some hardcore which goes against everything they were built on. Other sites like Xisty and Babelicious have either disappeared or no one is trying to find them anymore. Nearly the entire porn world has become network-obsessed. How many models today could charge $30 a month for one new photoset update or video update a day and be successful doing it? My guess is none since there are networks that have thousands of videos for $17.99 a month. While it's true that the actresses have changed in appearance it's more true that porn viewers have changed in standards. There was once a day when models required a signed contract in their hand before they gangbanged 12 strangers   I once posted on here about the types of models I like. I don't remember my exact wording, but I do know it goes into a lot of us like models who are a step above our league physically (or higher). It makes the fantasy for us more realistic. Your generation has been taught not to fantasize. Not to shoot high. Which is why porn today isn't as much about helping viewers create a fantasy in their head as it is to make you think you really have a chance with the girls in porn. It's a change in our society and how we create our expectations. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 04-21-15 07:02pm - 3439 days | #36 | |||||
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
Agreed, the numbers are way down.
Twisty's took a turn for the worse. ATK remains one of the best in business though. I joined ATK Exotics again recently, and was totally impressed.
Can't say what I would give to have the content from Xisty.com. It is long gone, but I still hold out hope.
Yes and no. It is amazing to me that clips4sale.com is such a success in 2015. It is not unusual for owners to make more from C4S than their network sites. In other words, many customers prefer to pay about $1/min for the clips of their choosing over buying even a 1 month membership. I don't understand this mentality in customers, but I do buy my fair share on C4S.
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| 04-22-15 12:04pm - 3438 days | #37 | ||
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
That is indeed a disturbing trend and has turned me away from many sites that used to be my favorites.
Very insightful! It's good to have a Psychologist aboard.  You have put into words something I couldn't put my finger on. Edited on Apr 22, 2015, 12:08pm | ||
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| 06-03-15 10:21pm - 3396 days | #38 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User  Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
I've watched American porno since the 1970s, and right now it's the worst I've ever seen it. It's like they all go to the same "bad porn" school! Every single video has the same three or four incorrectly performed, contorted positions. You have the pseudo missionary posiiton, the pseudo doggy style position and the pseudo cowgirl position, all of them utterly non erotic. In every damn video! The ugly shaved genitals, the endless males playing with themselves. The disgusting spitting, the obsession with anal "sex", the stunt cocks making the girls unattractive by pulling on their hair and destroying their makeup. The director mindlessly chatting during sex scenes. It's just a circus freak show, and virtually unwatchable. The good porn these days is being made in Japan. | |
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| 06-04-15 01:18pm - 3395 days | #39 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
I feel like there is a whole world of Japanese porn out there, with tons of fetish stuff that's right up my alley, and I've barely begun to scratch the surface. The language barrier obviously makes it hard to join a Japanese pay site, so the Japanese sites have always been on the back burner for me, but some day I will make it around to them. Have you had much experience with them? Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 06-04-15 01:34pm - 3395 days | #40 | |
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Thomas20 (0)
Active User Posts: 60 Registered: Dec 27, '09 Location: England |
JD1961 has pretty much summed up what is bad about it these days and there is so much stuff that the good bits get lost in it all. But there is still lots of new stuff that is very sparkly if you find it. I would say sparkly in a different way to the older films like from Alpha France, but sparkly none-the-less. The price is now much fairer than the old days so there is a bit of scope to take a chance every now and then. Edited on Jun 04, 2015, 01:38pm | |
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