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02-23-10  08:32am - 5416 days Original Post - #1
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NB: Blocked access because of critical PU-comment!!!!!

This is totally crazy:
Made some critical comments about:
Thai Girls Wild

Now the webmaster have blocked my access, though I signed up three days ago and payed $ 29.95 for a month. I wrote him AND Epoch (nothing from Epoch yet), but got this from the webmaster/owner:

'Why do you have it out for my company? What have I done to you personally that you find the passion to sabotage my business? I am completely hands on with my business. I recruit, shoot and edit all the content on my sites myself. So unwarranted negative reviews/comments or outdated information I feel take away from my business.'

My answer to this webmaster:

'Absolutely confused... I am paying a costumer (and a member of TBP/PU) - been at your others sites several times (and gave them good scores compared to others at PU) - and signed up at/payed for Thai Girls Wild. When I/we see something strange - like those watermarks at Thai Girls Wild - I/we make comments at PU - that's not what I'd consider 'sabotage'. Other sites - a lot - have negative comments or reviews at TBP/PU..
Still it does not justify that my payed for access is blocked....

BTW: I have nothing to do with the 'special notice' at TBP'


Does this mean that WE - PUs - in the future can risk this again - because we give our opinion in the name of freedom of speech - and that they can take away our money, because we're critical???

The thought is absurd.

Look forward to what is going to happen here....

BTW: See Ricks reply at the comment about this site... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 23, 2010, 08:48am

02-23-10  09:02am - 5416 days #2
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If only you had enough money to hire a good lawyer .. wow, you could retire early, Denner. What that webmaster did (and you have proof through his email) absolutely stinks and is illegal as well. Hope you get this settled to your satisfaction and soon.

02-23-10  09:10am - 5416 days #3
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Thanks, messmer - just wrote a long one to Epoch.
But the consequence in this is pretty far out - can others here get the same shit in the future following critical comments - oh, ok probably unlikely - most website-owners/webmasters have more sense than that... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

02-23-10  10:36am - 5416 days #4
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Certainly made a siteowner mad - the latest answer:
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'(but ok, at this moment the score would not go over 60 or about that, anyway)

Are you kidding me? Do you know how difficult it is to produce real authentic Thai hardcore content? It's so rare compared to the rest of the adult content on the net....that it's like having a pizza in the desert! It's dangerous and more expensive to produce. I should be able to sell it at any cost I want. Who makes the pricing rules on the net? YOU?

(But still: hold your horses - This site got a lot of flaws - be back with a review)

Have you lost your mind? This site was produced to mimic a G/F (girlfriend) site. IT's the ONLY one of it's kind. The content is actually better quality than mobile phone cameras used in other G/F sites. The navigation is kickass, and the videos are watermarked to PREVENT from PIRACY. How do you expect an artist you protect from piracy?'
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Got a friend for life here....still nothing here justify to cut me off for what I payed for..
But PUs be the judges "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

02-23-10  10:56am - 5416 days #5
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I had a webmaster from one of the DVD sites get pretty upset with me and he told me to, "Keep sucking Videobox's dick". Which I thought was pretty funny. Seems like they had raised their price to $25 from $10 or something like that. Pornstar XS I believe, I had given his site a high score, but had posted a comment about how I wouldn't be visiting it much after the price raise. But he never blocked my access to his site either.

Best of luck with it Denner. I would almost bet that Epoch will help you out. They seem like a good company. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

02-23-10  11:08am - 5416 days #6
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


I had a webmaster from one of the DVD sites get pretty upset with me and he told me to, "Keep sucking Videobox's dick". Which I thought was pretty funny. Seems like they had raised their price to $25 from $10 or something like that. Pornstar XS I believe, I had given his site a high score, but had posted a comment about how I wouldn't be visiting it much after the price raise. But he never blocked my access to his site either.

Best of luck with it Denner. I would almost bet that Epoch will help you out. They seem like a good company.


Yup, exotics....Just got a reply from Epoch - with a new access (let's see if this also gets blocked) - but yes, agree - never had any problems with Epoch. AND they do not deal with that currency difference... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

02-23-10  12:13pm - 5416 days #7
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02-23-10  12:16pm - 5416 days #8
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What happened here could happen to any one of us. I am glad to see that Epoch has come through and deserves its good reputation. I agree that this is enough for PU not to do business with this site.

02-23-10  12:26pm - 5416 days #9
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Wanted to extract some of Wittyguys lines for comments - but ended up not - because the whole input is so accurate and WELL SPOKEN....in a great PU-spirit. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

02-23-10  01:50pm - 5416 days #10
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I'll be damned....my access is blocked - again. This is turning out to be a joke... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

02-23-10  02:12pm - 5416 days #11
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Originally Posted by Denner:


I'll be damned....my access is blocked - again. This is turning out to be a joke...


This site couldn't have too many subscribers if the webmaster has the time to play silly (and illegal) games.
I've had various webmasters after me in outrage over a review or comment but none of them ever cut me off until my subscription was over.

Get a refund from Epoch and then add a new comment, laying it all out, on this particular site's page. I can't see where they could touch you legally just for telling the truth, and TBP can't afford to look like cowards in the eyes of its loyal members if it censors your outrage.

02-23-10  02:47pm - 5416 days #12
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I would be tempted to ask Epoch for a refund.
They would charge it back to the webmaster anyway.

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02-23-10  03:10pm - 5416 days #13
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The site has just shot itself in the foot, the leg, and the bollocks. They may be mad at the justified comments, but that is what PU is about. Denner is the one reviewer I remember from the earliest days because he was always the voice of the people and looked at everything from the perspective of the average punter. He looks and investigates everything and is among the most trustworthy members at PU. I am sure PU will pull the links. If they don't, that says a lot about PU. I have been critical of PU myself in the past, but Rick and the rest nearly always prove me wrong and come through when it comes down to decency and honesty. I hate what I regard as PU's censorship over free material posting, but that aside, they seem to take the view that quality, honesty, and integrity is good business in the long run, and trying to rip people off is bad business in the long run. I hope the people who run that site get everything they deserve.

02-23-10  03:16pm - 5416 days #14
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Originally Posted by Denner:


I'll be damned....my access is blocked - again. This is turning out to be a joke...


Just amazing. I've actually only had one webmaster get kinda pissed at my review/comments made here.

But nothing like this surprises me. Webmasters always think they have the best content on the planet. OR the first ones to do something this way or that way.

If he's worried about piracy, why not make it streaming only or drm? All 3 are horrible but putting a full screen watermark on a video has got to be the worst. Does he not think people are smart enough to edit that out if they want to steal it?

I've never had much luck with Epoch, so glad to see your getting farther then I am.

02-23-10  03:46pm - 5416 days #15
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Originally Posted by Denner:


I'll be damned....my access is blocked - again. This is turning out to be a joke...


I think contacting the parent company might also be in order. They might not be aware of what's going on with their subsidiaries and be able to correct the situation. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

02-23-10  03:53pm - 5416 days #16
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I always wondered when something like this would come up. You might want to let Epoch know what is going on as well. They may just pull processing from them and that would be the ultimate punishment for the site, and they seem to deserve it! "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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02-23-10  04:06pm - 5416 days #17
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02-23-10  04:13pm - 5416 days #18
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That's some fucked up shit, Denner. I guess perhaps in the future hold off on the criticisms until your membership is almost expired?

Although that seems stupid, as I feel you should note problems as soon as you find them, or else you might forget whenever you get around to doing the review.

I can't really recall any webmasters getting all that upset at any reviews of mine, the Twisty's guy got a bit defensive, but then I suppose I could have worked a bit harder on the review.

Hope you get your money back and get to spend it on another (hopefully better) Thai site! Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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02-23-10  04:17pm - 5416 days #19
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Wittyguy, I'm nearly always sticking some part of my body into something, even if it is just foot into mouth. I have never been away, as I am always viewing what goes on here, it's just the free material censorship thing that I have problems with. Whenever I want to say something I remember that policy and decide not to post. On the other hand I have always seen the reasoning behind a site behind like this. It's to make sure that sites like the one Denner is having a problem with, do not profit from disgraceful behaviour, and to help ensure those sites marrying integrity and honesty with quality, succeeed, and to make a profit out of it.

I think Rick and the rest are quiet because things are simmering in the background. It's never simple, and usually takes them some time to make a decision after careful thought. I think they will come to a decision that is considered a good one.

Incidentally, there have been some very entetaining posts from yourself and some new regular members here this year. Edited on Feb 23, 2010, 04:22pm

02-23-10  04:49pm - 5416 days #20
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This webmaster just keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper. It's too late for him to get out now. To react as he did to a valid criticism is unacceptable. But then to go to the effort to track Denner down again and shut him down a second time is outrageous.

I'm actually pleasantly suprised that stuff like this doesn't happen more than it does. But if there is one thing I like about PU (and there are actually many things I like about TPB/PU) is that people give constructive criticisms. As long as I've been reading and posting here I can't remember anyone flaming another member.

Good luck with this Denner. I'll definitely be watching this thread!

02-23-10  05:52pm - 5416 days #21
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I'm probably going to catch flak for this, but it needs to be said -

Yes, Denner, it sucks what actions the site owner has taken. But, seriously, you could work on being just a little more tactful in the presentation of your reviews and comments. Many things I read from you, you do come off as being pissed off, angry, demanding, insulting, unreasonable.


Instead of writing:
"Right, bro - but this site - you won't believe it (and then again, oh, you would) - they got full screen transparent watermarks in the videos!
Comming up 4-5 times during a clip and lasts maybe 10 secs - and, of course during the best parts - and the photos: worse than useless - some just like screen caps - but then again - it's the same guy who has those two other low quality thai sites..."


Could instead write:
"The site's videos have a full screen watermark throughout the video which can get in the way of enjoying the video, hopefully the site owner will consider removing this. The photosets also appear to be screen caps of the video."


The same important information gets across, but in a much nicer tone.


A lot of other reviewers too, I just have to shake my head in disappointment. Whenever someone factors the time it took him to do a site rip into score... or if the download speed drops low for even one day (bandwidth is a *shared* resource, is not infinite, and costs a shit-ton on the hosting end of things)... or a review of (50) site no longer updates - okay, how about instead describing what archive content *is* inside and scoring that? But one big important thing is to drop the assumption that pornographers are all highly tech savvy people. Surprisingly many of them are not, and many actually really are trying to put out the best product they are capable of.


*sigh*


But I mean, for Christ's sake, even this thread goes into the subject of hiring a lawyer and suing this guy over canceling a membership...


Oh, and if anyone else is worried about the topic of this thread - randomize your username/password so a site owner can't match it up.

02-23-10  06:06pm - 5416 days #22
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Hey guys,

Just wanted to give you guys a heads up and let you know that we're trying to get an answer from the webmaster as to why Denner's access was blocked. It's very strange that a webmaster would act that way (even under these circumstances) and I'm not sure I would jump to the full conclusion that it's related to the complaints. It wouldn't surprise me if it was, but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was something technical (download limit or something).

Either way, we have contacted the webmaster and asked him for an explanation. We've invited him to respond directly as well, which would be to everyone's benefit.

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02-23-10  06:40pm - 5416 days #23
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Originally Posted by justme:


I'm probably going to catch flak for this, but it needs to be said...

I don't think it needed to be said. Some people, like myself (he says, laughing), are more than content, and find it very appropriate, to put their outrage in print. Why should there be a need to sugarcoat something that's particularly bad about a site?

If a webmaster/mistress doesn't want to stand up to criticism, I believe they are more than welcome to ask that their site, and all reviews and comments about it, get removed from here. The webmaster's claim that Denner tried to sabotage the site, giving him the right to block his access, isn't valid. A criticism, no matter how scathing, isn't sabotage. It doesn't give him the right to block access to a product that was paid for. To the best of my knowledge, breaking a contract is a legal matter, even though hiring a lawyer to sue for the sum of a month's membership would be a bit absurd. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

02-23-10  06:40pm - 5416 days #24
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Wow. I just came in on this thing. I think those Th76a839i -g87i7398r789l789376l6378s are really cute.

Hey! What was THAT! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-23-10  06:44pm - 5416 days #25
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Originally Posted by justme:


Instead of writing:
"Right, bro - but this site - you won't believe it (and then again, oh, you would) - they got full screen transparent watermarks in the videos!
Comming up 4-5 times during a clip and lasts maybe 10 secs - and, of course during the best parts - and the photos: worse than useless - some just like screen caps - but then again - it's the same guy who has those two other low quality thai sites..."


Could instead write:
"The site's videos have a full screen watermark throughout the video which can get in the way of enjoying the video, hopefully the site owner will consider removing this. The photosets also appear to be screen caps of the video."

So now we all have to be PC? On top of that, it was a comment, not a actual review. Comments are just like these posts in this forum, just a bit more organized. And as Green Day once famously said, Nice Guys Finish Last. Doesn't really matter how you word it, webmasters get upset anytime you say anything bad about their site.

Originally Posted by justme:

A lot of other reviewers too, I just have to shake my head in disappointment. Whenever someone factors the time it took him to do a site rip into score... or if the download speed drops low for even one day (bandwidth is a *shared* resource, is not infinite, and costs a shit-ton on the hosting end of things)

It's called the cost of doing the job. If it's too pricey for someone, then evidently they need to get out of the business. Sounds kinda like dentists and doctors I know that bitch like crazy about all the taxes and shit they have to pay but sure love driving their fancy cars or living in their fancy homes.

Do you get upset and call the company if you internet is not working? TV not working? Cell phone not working? Of course you do. Why, because you pay for it.

Originally Posted by justme:

... or a review of (50) site no longer updates - okay, how about instead describing what archive content *is* inside and scoring that? But one big important thing is to drop the assumption that pornographers are all highly tech savvy people. Surprisingly many of them are not, and many actually really are trying to put out the best product they are capable of.

Then why not drop the price? Or flat out indicate that the site is no longer updating? Why? Because then they'd lose business. People don't get upset if they join a *archive* if they know that's what it is when they join. But when a site is a fraud about constantly updating but they are not,that's when most people get upset.


Originally Posted by justme:

But I mean, for Christ's sake, even this thread goes into the subject of hiring a lawyer and suing this guy over canceling a membership...

He payed for it, did he not? Websites aren't a pay after the end of the month, depending on how much you use it kind of thing. You pay for a *full* month in advance. So yes, without giving a refund, that is illegal.

Now is it worth it to hire a lawyer, of course not. But it's the point of the matter.

02-23-10  07:19pm - 5416 days #26
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I guess the lesson is one should never use the same user name for both porn sites and TBP/PU.

02-23-10  07:26pm - 5416 days #27
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One thing about this has me scratching my head: How did the webmaster know whom to block so that he would block Denner? (assuming that's what actually happened)

Assuming that it he did deliberately block Denner, I suppose he could have matched Denner's IP address from his email to the site with the same from the server log of subscribers' IP addresses. I'm not sure about this, though, not being that versed in the tech.

The larger question is how anonymous we are to the sites we subscribe to. I've always believed that so long as we go through an independent billing processor to sign up, our access is primarily controlled by them, not by the site itself, and to the site, we're just IP addresses.

But that's not always the case. There are sites that get your actual name from the signup process and welcome you, printing, "Hello (your name)" on the page when you log in. That's happened before with signups I've done through ccbill (at In The Crack, for example).

Of course, some sites have download limits and can simply use the IP addresses to temporarily block excessive downloaders or permanently disable those suspected of sharing usepasses.

But do they know more about us than that? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-23-10  07:44pm - 5416 days #28
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Drooler,

This site appears to be one where you can select your own username, so my guess would be Denner used his PU name or something similar when he joined this site which allowed them to know the IP that was associated with the name such that even when Epoch gave him a new login the site could track that to his IP. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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02-23-10  07:53pm - 5416 days #29
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Originally Posted by slutty:


Drooler,

This site appears to be one where you can select your own username, so my guess would be Denner used his PU name or something similar when he joined this site which allowed them to know the IP that was associated with the name such that even when Epoch gave him a new login the site could track that to his IP.


That could be, I suppose. I hadn't thought it through in that way. Maybe we'll find out, or maybe we won't. There are privacy issues on all sides. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-23-10  09:29pm - 5416 days #30
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You know, I wouldn't stay away from a site because there were some watermarks that a particular member thought were too large - I've heard that a number of times about pics or scenes where it really didn't bother me.

But I would absolutely stay away from a site run by a vengeful psycho that blocked access to the site from a member who had some critical comments about the site - and how the hell did the guy (I hope I'm not being sexist in assuming that it's a guy) even identify the site member who had written the comments in order to block them?

Freaking bizarre. Even crazier than the Matt's Model webmaster!

Grow some thicker skin, Thai Girls Wild guy! Some people are going to love your site. Some people are going to hate it. Some people are going to have some good and some bad things to say about it.

But if they paid money to join your site for a specific period of time, that's a contract, and you're an absolute thief if you don't refund their money at the same time that you block their access.

And I would never join a site run by such a thief.

Oh, and by the way - I've got Asian fever and love Thai girls!

02-23-10  11:41pm - 5415 days #31
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Originally Posted by slutty:


Drooler,

This site appears to be one where you can select your own username, so my guess would be Denner used his PU name or something similar when he joined this site which allowed them to know the IP that was associated with the name such that even when Epoch gave him a new login the site could track that to his IP.


Yes, I used my PU-name and some numbers for log in - do that quite often (it's easy to remember) - and change the numbers...never thought that could create a problem - and better change that in the future..

Just called Epoch international: No problems - it took less than two minutes talk - and they'll refund the money within five business days....
BTW: Thanks for a lot of support here! "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 23, 2010, 11:58pm

02-24-10  01:58am - 5415 days #32
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I have an interesting story regarding anonymity. A while back I joined a site and reviewed it quite positively. I signed up using one of my three email accounts, but not the one I used for PU. I did not use my PU name. after the review was posted I got an email from the webmaster on the email account I signed up with, but don't have listed for PU. He thanked me for my review. I couldn't believe my eyes and I told him so. It was all positive, but he pieced together my PU name, and my two email accounts. HUH?

02-24-10  06:28am - 5415 days #34
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Originally Posted by mbaya:


I have an interesting story regarding anonymity. A while back I joined a site and reviewed it quite positively. I signed up using one of my three email accounts, but not the one I used for PU. I did not use my PU name. after the review was posted I got an email from the webmaster on the email account I signed up with, but don't have listed for PU. He thanked me for my review. I couldn't believe my eyes and I told him so. It was all positive, but he pieced together my PU name, and my two email accounts. HUH?


The guys got skills - a friend of mine was a teenage runaway. She had left an abusive family home, relocated elsewhere, but needed a social security # to work other than under the table. So she came up with a scheme and thought she had figured out how to apply for a new social security # with a new name and all kind of made-up info - she was delighted when she had an envelope from the social security administration in her mail one day - contained her same old social security card.

As they used to say on The Little Rascals - you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool mom

02-24-10  09:41am - 5415 days #35
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I just wanted to post an update to this thread. I did speak with the owner of this site. I have also emailed Denner about this as well. The site owner reports that the access issue was a technical issue and not related to any other issue. He has fully refunded Denner's charges. We just wanted to update everyone.

Thanks as always for being a PornUser!!!

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02-24-10  12:07pm - 5415 days #36
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Originally Posted by Denner:


This is totally crazy:
Made some critical comments about:
Thai Girls Wild

Now the webmaster have blocked my access, though I signed up three days ago and payed $ 29.95 for a month. I wrote him AND Epoch (nothing from Epoch yet)


When this happens, get on the billing company's live chat and scream bloody murder---don't email.

02-24-10  12:31pm - 5415 days #37
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Originally Posted by Vegas Ken:

The site owner reports that the access issue was a technical issue and not related to any other issue.


A technical issue that just happened to coincide with his reading a negative comment about his site? An issue that hit Denner twice? Looks more like someone went off the deep end, got outted here and needed an excuse to back down from a wild claim of sabotage.

Yeah - I know - I'm the quintessential skeptic. I could very well be wrong, but if I'd gotten email responses like Denner did, I'd be livid - and in no way trusting of someone capable of lashing out that way. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

02-24-10  12:45pm - 5415 days #38
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


A technical issue that just happened to coincide with his reading a negative comment about his site? An issue that hit Denner twice? Looks more like someone went off the deep end, got outted here and needed an excuse to back down from a wild claim of sabotage.

Yeah - I know - I'm the quintessential skeptic. I could very well be wrong, but if I'd gotten email responses like Denner did, I'd be livid - and in no way trusting of someone capable of lashing out that way.


Pretty much sums up my thinking on this new development...

02-24-10  01:55pm - 5415 days #39
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


A technical issue that just happened to coincide with his reading a negative comment about his site? An issue that hit Denner twice? Looks more like someone went off the deep end, got outted here and needed an excuse to back down from a wild claim of sabotage.

Yeah - I know - I'm the quintessential skeptic. I could very well be wrong, but if I'd gotten email responses like Denner did, I'd be livid - and in no way trusting of someone capable of lashing out that way.


It must be pure coincidence that I was thinking exactly the same thing. I guess we must all be far too sceptical, but I know I wouldn't touch that place with a barge pole.

02-24-10  02:10pm - 5415 days #40
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


It must be pure coincidence that I was thinking exactly the same thing. I guess we must all be far too sceptical, but I know I wouldn't touch that place with a barge pole.


Hi squirrel, good to see you. You guys may add me to the ranks of cynics.

02-24-10  02:14pm - 5415 days #41
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x Edited on Apr 20, 2023, 02:06pm

02-24-10  05:04pm - 5415 days #42
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Originally Posted by justme:


I'm probably going to catch flak for this, but it needs to be said -

Yes, Denner, it sucks what actions the site owner has taken. But, seriously, you could work on being just a little more tactful in the presentation of your reviews and comments. Many things I read from you, you do come off as being pissed off, angry, demanding, insulting, unreasonable.


Instead of writing:
"Right, bro - but this site - you won't believe it (and then again, oh, you would) - they got full screen transparent watermarks in the videos!
Comming up 4-5 times during a clip and lasts maybe 10 secs - and, of course during the best parts - and the photos: worse than useless - some just like screen caps - but then again - it's the same guy who has those two other low quality thai sites..."


Could instead write:
"The site's videos have a full screen watermark throughout the video which can get in the way of enjoying the video, hopefully the site owner will consider removing this. The photosets also appear to be screen caps of the video."


The same important information gets across, but in a much nicer tone.


A lot of other reviewers too, I just have to shake my head in disappointment. Whenever someone factors the time it took him to do a site rip into score... or if the download speed drops low for even one day (bandwidth is a *shared* resource, is not infinite, and costs a shit-ton on the hosting end of things)... or a review of (50) site no longer updates - okay, how about instead describing what archive content *is* inside and scoring that? But one big important thing is to drop the assumption that pornographers are all highly tech savvy people. Surprisingly many of them are not, and many actually really are trying to put out the best product they are capable of.


*sigh*


But I mean, for Christ's sake, even this thread goes into the subject of hiring a lawyer and suing this guy over canceling a membership...


Oh, and if anyone else is worried about the topic of this thread - randomize your username/password so a site owner can't match it up.


Not really putting up flak as such, but do remember
English is not Denner's first language. ;0)

Not trying to make excuses, but this is a limited medium for communication at the best of times. :0)

Best regards,

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02-24-10  11:46pm - 5414 days #43
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Originally Posted by Capn:


Not really putting up flak as such, but do remember
English is not Denner's first language. ;0)

Not trying to make excuses, but this is a limited medium for communication at the best of times. :0)

Best regards,

Cap'n. :0)


There was nothing wrong with the way Denner expressed his ideas to me anyway. He stated the problem and his disappointment. He didn't take things to any emotional excess.

It seems odd to me that someone would attempt to micromanage Denner's self-expression here. Really out of place. And though English isn't his first language, he's pretty good with it and has gotten better over the past 3 years. If anything, he should be acknowledged for that in a positive way, not finger wagged because he had a reasonable complaint.

Denner strikes me as a pretty happy guy. Control freaks, on the other hand, have a tough time being happy and content. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-25-10  01:51am - 5414 days #44
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Do really not want to make a further item out of this. The deal with this site/webmaster ect. has been interesting - a bit fun, too - but I'll just as soon forget about it and get on to PORN.

Drooler has been a great friend for years here - AND a fine supporter about inputs, reviews ect. that also had been based on long hours with the danish-english dictionary.
Apart from the many fine discussions and exchange of views on a lot of sites - Ze Droolah has kind of helped this PU-site to be international - and not only for folks with english as first language.
And - not to forget - Khan and others at TBP have also been fine supporters when langauge problems appeared now and then - thanks!

Still I do not regret those inputs, at all - there where no 'dirty' (faul?) language or namecalling - a little irony AND maybe some sarcasm, which comes out sometimes in input and reply talking to Drooler - and if those are out of order/place, I think Khan will interfere..

On the other hand I've received personal mails from this webmaster with an almost abusive character where I'm asked if I'm 'out of my mind' - because I dare to criticize parts of his site. Apart from the words he use - I'd think it would be appropriate to put his comment as a reply here at PU - and NOT in a personal mail.

Finally I think a site like TBP/PU would always benefit from that....yes, international character. I've seen some germans, spanish, swedish and even a couple of danes come and go here - maybe, just maybe some of them gave up because of language-problems. I won't. I enjoy porn and using TBP/PU - and would never had found so much good porn out there without TBP/PU....AND of course avoided some sites and saved money thanks to reviews and warnings from fellow PUs. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Feb 25, 2010, 07:12am

03-08-10  10:48am - 5403 days #45
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I know sites are under scrutiny, and regardless of it being technical or not, I am disturbed that they beat around the bush ( no pun intended) and it took PU staff to get an answer.
In my opinion the site looks to have personnel issues, if they can not keep a muzzle on the staff.
The other sad thing is the webmasters have little to do if anything with production etc, so it can hurt them to have a lose cannon like that .
I do not think I will be joining anytime soon lol Since 2007

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