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| 05-05-16 02:32am - 3153 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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RustyJ (0)
Suspended Posts: 79 Registered: Aug 04, '10 |
What's the deal with the tube sites? Don't want to cause any trouble so lock if you think this is against the rules. I'm just more interested in the legality, connections to the industry and so on, not discussing content, providing links or anything. It seems that these sites are strongly supported or even owned by the companies that run pay sites as well. They have trailer type of content provided by many studio registered users or channels. They advertise proper pay sites that must be paying for those banners and links. But are they legal and what's their standing? Or are they just tolerated and used as advertising to get something out of the unpreventable phenomenon? I can perfectly see why they would be tolerated by industry as long as they only provided short trailers and old VHS/DVD stuff that has not much market value anymore. However, it seems that these sites allow individual users to upload and even download videos if they register. That cannot be in any honest party's interests since there's also lots of newer stuff in HD on those sites. Or is it just that it's hard to fight for ones rights if the industry is not widely accepted? | |
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| 05-05-16 02:49am - 3153 days | #2 | |
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Dirty Doctor (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 3 Registered: May 20, '15 Location: Reading UK |
In a Word they are not tolerated especially by us small independent producers, in a lot of cases our content is stolen and posted without our consent just this morning I found one of our full length movies posted illegally on X-Hamster but fortunatly they have a good DMCA/Copyright policy and quickly remove any illegal content but it would be a full time job looking for stolen material ! Gary Living The Dream | |
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| 05-05-16 06:46am - 3153 days | #3 | |
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MikeC
PornUsers Staff  Posts: 102 Registered: Jul 03, '15 |
It's a weird situation; as Gary pointed out it can be an absolute nightmare for independent producers, especially those that produce niche-specific or unique content that doesn't fall under the mainstream. The available pool of fans of can be small to begin with, so making content available for free can (and has) shuttered the doors of many once-successful sites that served that particular niche. On the other hand, many of the most-visited tube sites (and by extension, the most visited sites in the entire world) are actually owned by the same companies that produce the content. And some of the most successful sites in the industry made names for themselves through the tubes (though those same sites have had their struggles with the tubes, as well). I won't get into the long-standing battle that is taking place between producers and the tubes and the entanglement that has resulted (a couple of Google searches will point you in the right direction), but I can tell you that many producers have a mentality of, "If you can't beat them, join them." If a production company decides to work with a tube site, create a channel for them and release extended trailers and even (in some cases) exclusive content, said tube site coincidentally (suspiciously?) becomes extra-vigilant in making sure that the full-length content that was uploaded illegally from that production company gets eliminated. If you don't work with them? All bets are off. | |
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| 05-05-16 04:56pm - 3152 days | #4 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
The other side of the coin to consider is would those who download off tube sites actually pay for the content if the needed to in order to see it? A good number of them simply are not even in a position to pay for it because they either have no access to the funds or do not want a record of it showing up. These people will not pay regardless if they can get the content or not, so is that really a loss? Then you get people like me who will go pirate a few samples and see what it looks like. I do this because I do not trust preview pages. If the content looks like what is promised I will join up, if not I move on. Many of the sites I reviewed for PU were done in this way. It is not fool proof but it certainly helps. Think it is hard going on tube sites and keeping up with all the DMCA takedown notices? What do you do when the file names end up looking like this: "[02/11] - "PhDK3Jcn5InGLQE.part1.rar" - 188,69 MB yEnc " Without downloading it I would guess this is a preview or low quality rip of a video from PassionHD. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 05-05-16 06:10pm - 3152 days | #5 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I'm not an expert on Tube sites. But aren't some of them offering a premium service, which has a pay membership? The pay membership upgrade would offer download privileges, maybe higher definition files or streaming, etc. | |
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| 05-16-16 09:56pm - 3141 days | #6 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User  Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
I do not think I have ever enjoyed a "Tube Site". When you compare the quality to what you get by actually paying its a unreal difference. Not to mention how many drive by trojans, viruses there are its unreal. Now I am going to say something unpopular. If you content providers did a better job with your UI and video quality you would dramatically increase your sales. If your site is not doing good there is a reason. It could even be your core direction is terrible. Let me give you an example. I love Anabolic and its works like "The Gangbang Girl". Yet their website is one of the worst trash cans on the internet. They could make so much money if they cleaned up their act. I would join them today if they would simply properly transfer and encode their scenes. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 05-17-16 05:27am - 3141 days | #7 | |
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Amanda (0)
Active User  Posts: 534 Registered: Jul 02, '15 Location: Montreal, Quebec |
Pyrenees! So nice to see you back! Hope all is well!  | |
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| 05-17-16 09:05am - 3141 days | #8 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
All is well thank you for asking. I just needed a bit of a break. PU is really the best place to find new sites and get honest reviews. I also think Myporn is pretty amazing. I was VERY sad to hear Amber Rayne died so young. Honestly I hope it was not cancer complications. She was probably one of the best pro's of our generation. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 05-17-16 03:32pm - 3140 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Tube Sites are the bane of the porn industry and sadly they are owned by some of the biggest porn companies but that has almost nothing to do with their incredible dedication to the porn industry and everything to do with the fact that they managed to kill off most of the competition and now stand has the leaders. How do you think Brazzer(now Mindgeek) managed to become the undisputed leader in the porn industry? Sadly so long as tube sites exist in the form they currently are in than we will see more and more companies die off. All I need as proof is the TBP section on new sites. Yeah they do have some new sites each week but how many of them will ever warrant a review or even a consideration? Most are of existing sites that are simply offering a mobile friendly version of their sites and/or solo model sites of porn performers who have, at most, shot a dozen scenes on a couple of sites. In comparison. How many established sites have gone dead or significantly reduced their update schedule in the last few years? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-17-16 04:17pm - 3140 days | #10 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I thought that the continuing economic downturn that started around 2008 was responsible for many of the porn sites that died? Because it's not just porn sites, but worldwide business in general that has experienced a downturn that we've not really recovered from. | |
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| 05-17-16 09:12pm - 3140 days | #11 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
To quote a pimp there are three things people will always need "Grass, Gass and A**". A economic downturn does not hurt porn sales. As a business expert I will tell you what happened. There were WAY too many porn sites and porn companies that were terrible. So what happens is when people are penny pinched they only go to the best sites. This is natural selection and natural capitalism. A second problem is the porn industry is having to deal with a psychopath in California that is pushing legislation making porn stars wear condoms and not allowing the exchange of body fluid. This legislation is destroying the main stream porn industry. Basically they are being driven out. Imagine if the law all of a sudden cracked down on you personally and you had to move EVERYTHING in order to maintain your living. It is a nightmare because under the new law citizens that have a problem with condomless or bodily fluid exchange can sue these companies. So now a lot of companies are in the process of leaving California which is a HUGE financial loss in taxes all because of one psychopath. On youtube you can watch a free very good porn documentary called 9 to 5. Back to porn sites. Some sites do it right and they get rewarded. I am telling you a single girl can create a pornsite the RIGHT way and WILL be a success. I remember Brandi Bell's site. She did it the right way. Now Kelly Madison has a few good sites. She and her husband are doing it the right way. If all pron sites made a effort and did what the public wanted they would be much more successful. I will tell you right now there are some niches that are WAY under represented that would catch on like fire. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 05-18-16 05:31pm - 3139 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree with you that the World Economic Crash of 2008 was a major factor. Primarily because it was the catalyst that accelerated what was already happening to the industry. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-19-16 06:14pm - 3138 days | #13 | |
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LPee23 (0)
Active User  Posts: 399 Registered: Jul 14, '13 Location: USA |
That is true. I also think that doing business online has gotten more difficult even outside of porn. The cost of acquiring traffic has gone up over the years, and that is the life blood for all commercial sites. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. | |
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| 07-24-16 12:39am - 3073 days | #15 | |
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MargulisAZ (0)
Suspended Posts: 49 Registered: Jul 06, '07 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
tube sites are the bane of existence and I'm not even in the biz. Tube sites, file sharing / upload sites, and torrents are the reason endless, ENDLESS great porn sites no longer exist, and the ones that used to be great and are still around are largely only a shell of what they used to be. | |
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