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08-13-15  07:10pm - 3419 days #6
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Some Canadian sites off the top of my head:

InTheCrack.com

KB Productions (26 sites)

TheEnglishMansion.com

MistressT.net Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

08-10-15  07:32pm - 3421 days #8
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1) Pornstar Punishments from Brazzers
2) Extreme Associates
3) Max Hardcore
4) German Goo Girls (Needs higher Def)
5) Anabolic studios (Needs higher Def and real updates)
6) Elite Pain (Needs to be cheaper in a Mega Site model)
7) Any quality spanking site that features sex in HD
[Cool] Powershotz(Needs to be cheaper in a Mega Site Model)
9) Any JM production (Needs to be cheaper, in HD, Mega Site Model)

Nice list. Here are my thoughts on a few of your choices.

1. Pornstar Punishment. Would be great to see it back, but I am still amazed that this site gets talked about so much, when so many other equally good ones have come and gone.

2. Extreme Associates. Missed out on much of this, I think I missed something good.

3. Max Hardcore. Many old videos still available, hidden inside a certain member's area, and not advertised.

4. GGG. Still online, but the CC processor is a scam.


Here are my own eclectic top 10:

1. Bodyparts.biz. This is a long story, that I told on another thread. Missing out on this one still hurts. Frannie Adams was one of the best fetish photographers ever.

2. PeeAsian.com. Couldn't exist in today's China.

3. SickPuppy.com. Owners always wrote about pressure from CC processors, looks like they finally gave in. All original content gone, replaced with small handful of tame scenes.

4. Page3GirlsPeeing.com. Old school British pee site featuring models such as Sahara Knite. What a statement it would make nowadays for this one to come back.

5. PrunzPunz.com. Short lived photo site from the German studio Purzel Video. Featured many great stills from the Amateur Pissen DVD shoots.

6. SaltRain.com. Many M2F and F2F pee scenes shot by a female Russian photographer. Being a woman helped her earn the trust of her models. She captured eroticism and passion in her scenes in a way that is rarely done in peeing porn.

7. PeePeeWhores.com. Many famous pornstars went to Las Vegas to pee for this site's owner who went by "Beaver Bob." Very few traces of this content are left.

8. Old school Crystal Waters videos. Banned from sale anywhere because a house musician who goes by the same name sued her for trademark infringement and one. Her entire career as one of the most prolific squirters of the '80s and '90s is gone without a trace.

9. PPGirls.com. Australian site with tons of group peeing. Shut down during the Australian watersports porn crackdown almost 10 years ago.

10. Colibri-Girls.com. Hungarian site, lots of outdoor peeing, some content re-posted on pissbank.com.

Many other sites also deserve a spot on this list, but I didn't list the sites that I already have full copies of. I wish those would come back for others to enjoy too, but I really long for the ones that I missed. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

06-21-15  02:14pm - 3472 days #3
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Yeah, and you've got to make sure not to wear then under thin yoga pants. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

06-20-15  07:24pm - 3473 days Original Post - #1
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Just bought these for my wife.

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06-20-15  06:58pm - 3473 days #3
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


If the site is listed at PU (PornUsers), leave a comment that site does not allow downloading of images.


Not listed.

Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Screenshots are a poor way of saving photos.
But if you are a serious collector, I guess they are better than nothing.


Couldn't agree with you more, but I don't have a better alternative right now. Sure, it wastes time. More importantly, screen shots actually degrade image quality. While copying an image file generally preserves the digital information in the image, taking a screenshot re-samples the image, subjects it to aliasing, and degrades the quality. I am all too aware of this. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

06-19-15  06:43pm - 3474 days Original Post - #1
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Anyone have any recommendations for downloading galleries displayed by SimpleViewer? It's an Adobe Shockwave app for displaying images that, among other things, does not provide a download option.

I just signed up for a site, only to learn that they are using Simple Viewer to display their photosets. I will downloaded every last photo - 1/20th of the way through so far - by screenshot if need be. The only effect that disabled downloads in SimpleViewer has is that it is pissing me off and wasting my time, but it will not prevent me from downloading everything. I tried BulkImageDownloader, which works almost everywhere, but no luck. Any suggestions?

For the record, when I pay for a site, I expect to be able to download the photos. If I am forced to save copies by taking screenshots of what is displayed on my computer screen, I do not feel this is unethical. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

06-15-15  04:38pm - 3478 days #4
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Originally Posted by williamj:


Been downloading sense 1999, hard drives filled of amazing stuff. A Library of Congress of Porno Downloads. Mostly solo girls and lezzie pictures and video. Even if I tired probably never view all again. Plus I write erotica. I have viewed some amazing modern XXX erotica. I am addicted and I want to add more to my collection and see more. I have vast library of many sites. Have I seen it all?


Congratulations! Several pieces of advice.

Porn is like hiking - the pleasure is in the journey more than the destination. Your comments are a testament to that. Still, when you've reached the top of the mountain, and it sounds like you have, remember to stop and check out the view.

Go back over your collection. If you've been collecting since 1999, you will be amazed how much porn you may have that is no longer available anywhere. As much as I hate to say it, 1999 was a long time ago. Who knows, your collection may contain the only remaining copies of the content from some long gone sites. I recommend revisiting the sites you have downloaded, and seeing which ones are still around. You will take new pride in your collection when you see how much rare content you have. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

06-04-15  06:13pm - 3489 days #4
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:



Of those who go to the trouble of maintaining a personal account, they all seem to be some variant of a vegetarian stoner with a love for selfies and alcohol, which I guess is typical for a lot of women in their early twenties who aren't too inhibited with social media. Nothing wrong with any of this, of course, it's just breaks down the fantasy element of their performances. (The boyfriend pic certainly offers a good reason as any to not be too devoted of a fan.)



Great to see you back.

I'm not into following pornstars on twitter either. Never had the urge. Actually, I'm not into twitter much in general. In the handful of pornstar tweets that I have read, it is funny that weed does come up a lot. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

06-04-15  01:18pm - 3489 days #39
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Originally Posted by jd1961:


The good porn these days is being made in Japan.


I feel like there is a whole world of Japanese porn out there, with tons of fetish stuff that's right up my alley, and I've barely begun to scratch the surface.

The language barrier obviously makes it hard to join a Japanese pay site, so the Japanese sites have always been on the back burner for me, but some day I will make it around to them. Have you had much experience with them? Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-31-15  07:12pm - 3493 days #7
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Check this out:

vintagenudephotos.com/vpc.htm

Thank me later Mark if you get any new customers! Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-31-15  11:47am - 3493 days #5
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Come to think of it, Kink.com also did some sci fi stuff, including a porn parody of Barbarella. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-30-15  03:28pm - 3494 days Original Post - #1
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The year 2015 really marks both a slow and strange year in the world of porn. I just had one of those experiences that really makes you stop and wonder.

There was once an obscure site called NicoLotus.com. It wasn't a membership site, but it linked to her clips on clips4sale.com. It featured a beautiful, young Czech model called Nico Lotus. It got my attention when she began filming My Daily Pee - a project where she set out to film a new self-shot peeing video every day of the year. She made it from October to March, and then the video updates stopped. I asked her about it, but didn't hear anything back. Assuming the worst, that the videos would be down soon, I bought all her peeing videos on clips4sale.com. It cost over $500 and I asked myself at the time if it was really worth it or if I overpaid.

One of the cool features of C4S it that you can see a list of top selling clips for each store. The stores that haven't sold anything don't list anything, and if you buy from them, you will see all your sales populate the list. This was the case with Nico Lotus' store on C4S. Not only did I buy all her peeing videos, but I was apparently the only one to buy them.

Just today, I checked back in, and saw that she has let her domain expire and deleted all her videos on clips4sale.com.

So, what just happened here? Apparently, her clips4sale.com store served only one purpose in it's short existence. To pass on her entire pee video library to me in exchange for $500. Now I very well may have the only copies of her videos in existence.

I hope all is well with Nico. It's a sign of the slow times that a clip store can come and go like this. As I look through what now may be the only copies of these great videos in the world, I've got to say, $500 was worth it. Now they can't be had for any price. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-30-15  10:21am - 3494 days #4
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Originally Posted by biker:


Being such a narrow niche, I suspect even if a porn site exists, it would be hard to find. I sympathize. I've been looking for a science fiction site for years. I hope you have better luck then I have.


Have you seen galacticgirls.com? It's got sci fi sets and costumes, solo girls, lesbian scenes, and alien/tentacle sex scenes. I joined for the peeing scenes with Amber Michaels and Justine Joli (goes by Swan on that network). There are similar scenes on the network's other sites such as xxxhorror.com. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-29-15  04:22pm - 3495 days #2
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I see the appeal in that, nothing like a spectacular sexual performance.

For a second I thought you meant circus porn as in clown stuff though Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-29-15  02:46pm - 3495 days #2
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I'm sure I'll join again at some point, and I'll let you know.

Are the photo zips still available in the classic view? I heard they took their zips down in January, so while the photos are all still online, they have to be downloaded individually.

Glad I downloaded all the zips for a number of kink sites including fuckingachines.com. I can't imagine the time to download all of those photos individually. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-25-15  02:09pm - 3499 days #15
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To add to what I said, the reputable bulk email services out there will generate a spam profile for each account, based in part upon the percentage of emails sent are reported back flagged as spam. They will close accounts that score too high. I know this from work outside the adult field. So if you unsubscribe to your favorite site's mailing list, it is kinder than flagging it as spam.

That probably leaves some adult sites with no options for getting their promo emails out there besides the less than reputable bulk email services, which probably sell info to spammers, or are simply spammers themselves. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-25-15  12:10pm - 3499 days #14
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Originally Posted by RustyJ:


I have no doubt they are also selling our email addresses to spammers. What other reason there could be that brand new email addresses turn into spam boxes after being used to subscribe to only one paysite?


I like to think that most sites just put you on their mailing list and stop there. Their mailing list is very valuable, because their promos sent out to that list generate repeat sales. Why would they want to pollute that list by also sending out spam? If they want to maximize conversions, they should hope that their customers inboxes are not inundated with spam, so that they might actually see their promos. Some might be selling email addresses, particularly if they don't see their site having a future and are trying to cash in, but they are probably in the minority. Even Radio Shack, when faced with bankruptcy, tried to make millions by selling the personal info of all of their customers.

I agree that spam is a huge problem, and that's why I use a throwaway email address for most sites. Spammers can and do get a hold of your email in many other ways besides directly from the paysite owners, and there's really nothing that can be done about it. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-23-15  06:00am - 3501 days #10
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Get well soon Graymane! Your wit and talent for writing are second to none here. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-15-15  04:32pm - 3509 days #2
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I saw him play a free, live show once. Not only was he "The King," but he was a generous man who played for love of the blues. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-11-15  05:12pm - 3513 days #51
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The bottom line is, I don't think I really want to have my wife featured in any porn that gets distributed. She is doing it for me now, but even then nothing that shows her face, and I couldn't bring myself to persuade her to do this if she does not want it on her own. We were both tempted by that last offer, but I don't think we'll do it.

I would still shoot porn with other girls if my wife were okay with it though and the opportunity came up. We'll see how this plays out. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-06-15  05:44pm - 3518 days #49
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Here's an odd, ironic turn of events.

You might remember from this post how much I wanted to make some porn with my wife and post it.

Without going too much into the details, I will say that from past business ventures as a model, not in porn, she has kept in touch with some like minded people and that's fine with me. Just a few months ago I wanted to make some porn with her as you guys know. Now, she got an offer of high five figures just for a video of her sucking my cock. Damn! I want to do it, but now there's this whole extra consideration of why would someone pay so much for this, and are they getting too involved?

I'm probably going to nix this, but it is just too ironic. It wouldn't be the first time though. Years ago, while we were dating other people for a short period, she got offered $10,000 to do a piss and #2 scene in LA, but turned it down at my request. Sorry guys! Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

05-02-15  09:00am - 3522 days #16
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I acknowledge that porn has changed much over the years including the talent pool of porn models. I also think there is something else at play that leads us to think that models of the past are more attractive. There is a bias for the best porn with the most attractive models to survive the years.

Lets say you save only your favorites and you are one who likes to clean up your collection by deleting old content. You decide to go through your SD videos and keep only your favorites that have endured the years. When you look back at your collection in 5 years after the clean up, you will conclude that models back then were hotter. You may not recall as well just how many medicore models you weeded out, you will just look back and see the models that turned you on year after year.

The same goes for the sites themselves. Although it seems that piracy, poor marketing, outdated low resolution content, and randomness in the personal lives of the owners are the greatest factors affecting site closures, there is still a slow weeding out based on quality. If you look at sites that still host content that is over 10 years old such as ALS, 21Sextury, DDF, and to go way back ColorClimax, they are all high production value sites featuring models that are a cut above. There were lots of mediocre models back then too, their content was just lost over the years. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on May 02, 2015, 09:05am

04-27-15  05:42pm - 3527 days #12
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Careers are shorter, so if you are looking for "pornstars," there are fewer of those. The girls are just as hot as ever though.

Also, more girls with tats now. That's cool with me, but if you don't like that, it could be a downside. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-25-15  02:21pm - 3529 days #3
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Just curious, what sites did you run support for? Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-22-15  06:17pm - 3532 days #43
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I know. Still, cheers from one DDF fan to another. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-21-15  07:02pm - 3533 days #36
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


How many good or above good quality solo model sites are left in 2015? I would guess there was 100s just ten years ago or even five years ago.


Agreed, the numbers are way down.


Originally Posted by exotics4me:

What about sites that were huge in the early to mid 2000s like Twistys, Teen Dreams and ATK's sites? Sites that have now turned into messes or attempts to somehow squeeze in some hardcore which goes against everything they were built on.


Twisty's took a turn for the worse. ATK remains one of the best in business though. I joined ATK Exotics again recently, and was totally impressed.


Originally Posted by exotics4me:

Other sites like Xisty and Babelicious have either disappeared or no one is trying to find them anymore.


Can't say what I would give to have the content from Xisty.com. It is long gone, but I still hold out hope.


Originally Posted by exotics4me:

Nearly the entire porn world has become network-obsessed. How many models today could charge $30 a month for one new photoset update or video update a day and be successful doing it? My guess is none since there are networks that have thousands of videos for $17.99 a month. While it's true that the actresses have changed in appearance it's more true that porn viewers have changed in standards.


Yes and no. It is amazing to me that clips4sale.com is such a success in 2015. It is not unusual for owners to make more from C4S than their network sites. In other words, many customers prefer to pay about $1/min for the clips of their choosing over buying even a 1 month membership. I don't understand this mentality in customers, but I do buy my fair share on C4S.


Originally Posted by exotics4me:

I once posted on here about the types of models I like. I don't remember my exact wording, but I do know it goes into a lot of us like models who are a step above our league physically (or higher). It makes the fantasy for us more realistic. Your generation has been taught not to fantasize. Not to shoot high. Which is why porn today isn't as much about helping viewers create a fantasy in their head as it is to make you think you really have a chance with the girls in porn. It's a change in our society and how we create our expectations.


Porn is and should always be about fantasy. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-19-15  07:22pm - 3535 days #41
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Justine Ashley, known commonly as Justine, though just Justin at DDF -- where I found her in the model index.


You always come through with models at DDF. Were you lucky enough to get this set while it was still online? Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-19-15  05:51pm - 3535 days #39
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The best one is namethatpornstar.com. It's a community of people who hang around just to post and ID porn models. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-18-15  02:50pm - 3536 days #37
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Any ideas for her? This is another one that stumped the model identification sites.

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04-12-15  02:18pm - 3542 days #36
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Originally Posted by LPee23:


Okay, so no takers on the last one. Here's another one from the year 2000 that has stumped me. I think this was shot by Ken Marcus.




Kira Reed. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-12-15  02:16pm - 3542 days #35
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Originally Posted by LPee23:


Can anyone identify this model from DDF? I didn't have any luck with this at the model identification sites, so now it's time to bring it to the real experts.




Sheila Grant if you were wondering. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

04-11-15  03:04pm - 3543 days #34
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Can anyone identify this model from DDF? I didn't have any luck with this at the model identification sites, so now it's time to bring it to the real experts.

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03-31-15  06:45pm - 3554 days #3
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I feel for the models when I see something like this. It breaks the fantasy, and forces me to remember that some of these models live lives that are not glamorous. Some are truly women on the edge, dealing with desperation, poverty, drugs, and mental health issues. I'm not saying that porn does this to them, but some do live lives like this.

The worst for me was seeing a Russian model with the telltale scar that she had her chest cracked. She was too young for heart disease, in her 20's, so it was probably trauma, and a near brush with death. That's a hard life.

Also, the model Irina from StreetPiss.com and many of the other early Russian peeing sites has three puncture wound scars on her abdomen and a long scar from her chest to her belly button where they probably had to go in and make repairs, and you have to feel for her too.

This stuff isn't really self harm, but often it is the result of bad decisions and a hard life. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Mar 31, 2015, 07:03pm

03-21-15  07:51pm - 3563 days #2
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I would delete this crap, and not over think it.

When spam gets too personal, it's time for a new email address. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

03-15-15  03:28pm - 3570 days #6
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Originally Posted by jasta:


Why is there so much Czech porn? Is there something special about the country, people, etc?


I've been to Prague a few times. Just walking down the street there, you will be amazed by how many beautiful women you will see. There is definitely something special about the Czechs. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

03-09-15  02:47pm - 3576 days #7
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I think the dry spell is at it's worst when it comes to artistic fetish photography. I'm talking about the type of site where photography is the focus, the photographer puts their name behind their work, and they strive to produce a truly artistic rendering of fetish themes. There are a number of established sites out there still doing this extremely well, and that cannot be overlooked, but I haven't seen any new sites along these lines over the past year.

Every time I see a new site that looks promising, the emphasis tends to be on video, with photos that are either absent, stills of the video, or just with quality that clearly took a lower priority than video. I guess its market demands at work, because it seems to be commonly said that video converts much better than photos. It's too bad for the photo fans, maybe things will change someday, but for now I am just glad for the dedicated handful of artistic fetish photography sites still out there. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-27-15  09:55am - 3586 days #13
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I should also post my greatest porn finds here for completeness.

The biggest gem is actually a long lost site that was given to me as a favor by a producer who reads this forum from time to time, so in all fairness, even though I am still sworn to secrecy on what this site was, it deserves mention.

Aside from that, I was happy to download a full copy of ag-angels.com before that closed. Lots of gems on that site, such as Amber Rayne's only pissing scenes outside of her one on pissing.com.

Another absolute gem was when ALS sent me their old, long "lost" photos from their mail order CD business, CDGirlsOnline.com. Yes, they gave me permission to share this info too, and it shows how dedicated they are to their customers. See my review, where I go into the details.

Another very niche gem for me was finding the content from suzysdesperation.com (closed in 2005), one of my favorite sites of all time, re-posted on TACAmateurs.com by Suzy under the user name SusanRocks.

And a gem that I obtained today, an old photoset of Victoria Knight aka Joanne peeing, not available online anymore. Again, got it directly from the owner. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-25-15  04:16pm - 3588 days #12
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Originally Posted by jd1961:


I forgot to mention I also am lucky to have almost all of Galitsin's sets before the site went under. The best nude photographer of them all.


Sorry to drag up this old thread, but I am curious, does anyone know what happened to Grigori Galitsin in recent years? His Wikipedia biography trails off at 2009, but he seems to have been in some legal trouble at that point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Galitsin

Also, since I brought this thread back up, any new greatest porn finds to report? Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-24-15  07:00pm - 3588 days #31
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Yeah, so this is where I hang up the mic and walk off stage, for this thread at least. Didn't expect anyone to have much to say after that last post, unless you had a similar experience, but it was good to put it all to words.

I'll keep holding out hope. Just today, a model and penthouse pet emailed me back after 6 months, and she is going to help me track down her lost peeing shoots from her solo girl site that closed last year. So, you never know. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Feb 24, 2015, 07:08pm

02-24-15  06:47pm - 3588 days #13
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No denying that the overabundance of free content on tubes is the main factor in declining membership sales.

At the same time, tubes are somewhat of a self-made problem for the industry. First webmasters bought traffic from TGP's and MGP's, and now it's tubes. The difference is that storage and bandwidth are so cheap now that tubes can and do host a glut of free content, and they are not policed well for copyright enforcement.

I think AWPress is right that if you download a few videos that aren't for sale anymore from tubes it is probably a case of no harm no foul. At the same time though, many of the sites that have closed in recent years might still be around if not for piracy on the tubes.

I would prefer a world without tubes, if it would have meant that a few more studios could have stayed open. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-19-15  01:36pm - 3594 days #9
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Thanks for such a forthright reply. This is what makes the PU forum great - you've got customers and industry insiders coming together. Here we've got a customer, me, trying to find ways to pay for stuff that many people pirate, and an insider who can sympathize with those who have to turn to tubes etc for retired content.

Bitcoin does have its problems, but it is growing in popularity. I just opened a coinbase account recently, and it was simple enough for anyone to do it. I also read on xbiz.com that bitcoin now accounts for about 5% of paysite membership transactions and growing. Who knows, it may just continue to get easier to use bitcoin with a little more time. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-07-15  08:47pm - 3605 days #30
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Originally Posted by LPee23:


I have more to say about this site, but I am too busy tonight. It is the one that got away though, and I regret it a lot.


After writing this all, I have to apologize in advance for this epic post. I try to make most of my posts interesting to you, the readers here, and concise. I admit right up front that this post is all about me, and it is definitely not concise, but I have needed to get this out for a while.

I figure tonight is as good a night as any to get nostalgic and finally get the story out here. I've got the place to myself, a nice bottle of wine on hand, and nothing but peace and quiet, so here goes.

Bodyparts.biz was probably the best site that you have never heard of. It featured the photography of Frannie Adams, a true artist, who focused her talent on the erotic. Frannie is probably best known for her "Pussy Portrait" books, where she was the first to publish a series of beautiful facial portraits, each juxtaposed to an equally beautiful "Pussy Portrait." This concept has been copied by others, if you have been to many sites then maybe you can think of one in particular, but it started with her, and it is one of her unique trademarks.

She published another photo book, "Bedroom Voyeur," that explored more voyeuristic themes. It featured staged upskirts, shots through peepholes, and a few shots of women on or near the toilet, but no peeing.

One day, I found her site, bodyparts.biz. I checked out the samples on her landing page, and more samples on her blog, and they were amazing. I couldn't put my finger on it yet what was so great about them, but they made an impression. As I looked further, I saw from her samples that she had a number of peeing shoots too, so this was right up my alley.

I was determined to join, actually she was next on my list, but I had this huge project for work hitting a deadline soon. So, I did what I had to do, and put work first.

Then, I checked back in at her landing page, and I noticed her site had been discounted to $15.00 for a month. "The best deal on the net." It certainly was, but this was very concerning to me. I had seen enough sites close, that I know drastic sales out of the blue are a warning sign. Getting worried, I checked her traffic, but the numbers seemed good. So I said to myself, just wait until this project is over in a couple of weeks, the site will still be around, then I'll join.

So I knock this particular project out of the park, then later that night sit down victoriously to sign up for bodyparts.biz. I was greeted by words that are now unfortunately burned into my mind, "Body Parts is now closed. Thank you for your patronage."

This is the part where words just don't do the feeling justice. It sounds ridiculous to compare a porn site closing, even an artistic one, to great works of art being lost, but that is how it feels. The feeling was the same that I had seeing the video of the Buddhas of Bamiyan being destroyed in early 2001, only it was much more personal.

But the sadness hadn't really sunk in yet, actually I was heartened by my recent luck in recovering some long lost favorite sites by dealing directly with webmasters. I just needed a way to get in touch, so I turned to google, and found that she had an email address posted to her clips4sale.com video store. Worried that she would soon be signing out of that email for good and closing her C4S store, I bought some clips, then I sent her an email that I hoped would be both concise and compelling.

She replied a few days later, and we would shoot emails back and forth for the next six months or so. She was always pleasant and I appreciate her taking the time to reply! While what I really wanted were her peeing shoots from bodyparts.biz, she directed me to buy her books, and said that she was in negotiations to sell her site, and would give me the link if that happened. Every time I made an offer for photos from the site, however, the offer was ignored. I could understand things from her point of view, she ran a site with thousands of customers, so what is one more? While I offered several thousands of dollars, it often requires a truly life changing offer to impact someone who is checked out, and apparently my offer was not enough. Not willing to give up there, I got in touch with some of my connections. I had a major network, top 10 here on PU, poised to potentially offer her generous compensation for licensing her content, and I sent her the good news. Unfortunately, this was right before her domain expired, and her email server went offline right after that, so I don't even know if she got the email.

My wife later found the word file where I drafted the last email that I sent her, and she gave me such a hard time, in a joking way. She teased me that the letter was the best, most inspired piece of writing she has ever seen me compose. Why couldn't I bring the same enthusiasm to her Christmas cards! She was taken back for a day or so by the amount that I offered too, but I made it up to her with her Christmas gift.

Anyway, now I have no way of reaching Frannie, and hope of ever seeing her work should be fading, but I keep hanging on to it. I remember going back over her photos from her blog and elsewhere, and thinking to myself, if her site had not closed before I could have joined, then I would have downloaded just the peeing shoots, stashed them away, and moved on. Instead, I found myself treasuring every single photo of hers that I had, and taking in the detail like I never would have otherwise.

I noticed the soft yet intense quality of her lighting, the deliberate saturated highlights in the background giving her shoots an ethereal feel, and the delicious subtle highlights washing over her models' skin tones. I noticed her composition, focusing on one body part, treating it as the subject, then moving to the next. I noticed the unique lighting for her close ups, the "closest close ups on the web," as she called them. I think she used a ring flash.

As I started to come to terms with the reality that I may never see the full body of her work, I was just left with this profound dissatisfaction. I had to find the silver lining, turn it into something positive. I do know, for a fact, that if I had downloaded the shoots that I wanted while her site was around, I would have stashed them away, and never been so inspired by them. That is certainly true. I would have recognized them as great photos, but I would not have truly taken them in for all their detail and understood what makes them that way.

So, I have been inspired. Not just a little either. There are ideas, and then there are ideas that have a force of their own, that move you to action. I have had precious few that have truly moved me to action, day in and day out throughout my life, but the ones that do this have shaped the course of my life. This new idea is that I can appreciate beauty in erotic art, so now I should create it, and inspiration is nothing if you don't act on it.

It doesn't even make sense for me to shoot erotic art at all, it's a bad business venture, and it's a risk to reputation. At the same time, I just keep coming back to this idea, and it's been more than a year.

Thanks for hanging in there if you made it to the end. It's great to have a place to share stories like this at PU. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Feb 07, 2015, 09:13pm

02-06-15  05:21pm - 3607 days #34
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When you're doing manual backups, you should run chkdsk or the utility of your choice on your backup disc before updating it, especially if it has been a while.

I just caught a bad disc like this. It was a backup 4Tb Western Digital drive that I hadn't updated in about a year, and I was going to re-purpose it as a primary since my collection has grown and I don't have any empty drives on hand. Luckily I checked it first, otherwise the data on the primary might have been corrupted.

Now it's time to order more drives. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-06-15  04:34pm - 3607 days #5
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That sucks. I see that sashafucksdasha.com was one of the ones that was eliminated completely, that is too bad. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-01-15  12:23pm - 3612 days #3
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A lot of old sites redirect to 18 Only Girls. I haven't checked it out yet, but some of the models from those sites are listed in 18 Only Girls. I am hoping they kept the content from those sites. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

01-27-15  08:35pm - 3616 days Original Post - #1
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Every now and then, something good still pops up on EBW. This is truly painful but hilarious to watch.

ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84435226/

For the record, incest porn is not cool.

Edit: Removed hard link. Please cut and paste. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Jan 27, 2015, 08:48pm

01-25-15  06:16am - 3619 days #21
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I checked out femdomempire.com a couple days ago, and it seems like exactly what you are looking for. It features over 100 American porn stars, most who have careers in mainstream porn, stepping outside of their usual role to play the role of dominatrix. It definitely has them talking their dirtiest! Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

01-24-15  05:50pm - 3620 days #7
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


Rehashing what I noted in my comment in the poll, a lot of the older porn lacks documentation from the actors (all the stuff regarding age, consent, etc.) that websites are required to maintain. Additionally, tracking down who actually owns the copyrights is difficult too. I think anyone who did what is being proposed would probably have to do it on the dark web in a less than truly legal way. Therein lies the problem, not enough people willing to pay on the dark web for this stuff (and more likely to steal it) to justify the cost even if you ignored copyrights and legal verification standards.


I see what you are saying, but the whole idea behind this is to keep it legit. In this thread, I'm not talking so much about bringing back content without documentation. I think it might be possible to get the docs in some cases. I can name dozens of companies running sites right now that have removed some of their more edgy content. Of course, they deleted it from their sites, but I doubt they actually took the extra time to root through their records and get rid of the 2257's and model releases. Actually, they almost certainly would have kept them, in case any future legal questions arise. That's more the type of thing that I had in mind. It wouldn't stop there though. The ultimate goal would be to create a marketplace for the older content, one where people would be happy to pay a premium for content they thought was lost, and one that would maybe raise some eyebrows and entice some of the older players who left the industry to test the waters again and offer their content too. Anyway, it's just a dream now, but we will see. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. Edited on Jan 24, 2015, 06:19pm

01-24-15  11:11am - 3620 days #5
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The sites are down now. I hope everyone got all the content that they wanted while they were around. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

01-24-15  10:08am - 3620 days #3
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Thanks Khan. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

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