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05-26-13  10:05am - 4228 days #28
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


It seems to me that 50SoG is more hype than anything else. It's the trendy book that "EVERYONE" has been reading! Count me out. Last time I was on a bandwagon, I was carrying a Sousaphone.

Same goes later for the spinoffs. D'ya think there are gonna be spinoffs? And what about the movie, for which some work has already been underway? And/or the racy TV series? And let's not forget the adults-only interactive online game. And the coffee mug, t-shirt, and "Sadomasochist On Board" car sign.


There have been TONS of spin-offs, Drooler, many of which I actually enjoyed. It was a series of 4 books of one of those spin-offs that tempted me to try 50SOG. I think what really threw me was the first person thing. Many authors got into that habit and I hate it, for me it has to be third person, past tense. And the book on TV? Boy, would they have to water the story down!

05-25-13  10:30am - 4229 days #24
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Men and women really are mixtures of the masculine and the feminine. I guess I can say that here without being called a faggot by one side or a wimp by the other.

And isn't it time for the return of The Sensitive Male? When was the last time? Some time in the 1970's, wasn't it?

But as for 50 Shades of Grey, I'm sticking with #666666, #666667, #666665, and so on ...


You are right about us being mixtures, Drooler. I have never tried to suppress my sensitive side (except in my foolish youth) and it seems to get "worse" as I get older which is fine with me. And you will be wise to stick to your colors, the book really was a disappointment. I've read quite a few books by women authors lately but they were always in the third person, past tense which allowed me to immerse myself in the story. But with 50SOG you have to identify with the woman and that I can't quite do, sensitive or not!

05-25-13  09:28am - 4229 days #22
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Do you know if there was an increase in sex toys for women after the books became so popular? I didn't see anything about this and I'm rather curious. Mind you unless I'm way off then the sex in those books is very kinky to the more intense bsdm kind.


Well, I made good on my promise to read Fifty Shades Of Grey next and agree that this one is indeed for women only. Quite disappointing to me because it is written in the first person from the woman's perspective so there's no way I could identify with anything. I stopped reading after about a 100 pages. One other annoying thing for me was that it is written in the present. I seem to be one of the few who cannot stand this. Anyway, thumbs down!

05-24-13  06:31pm - 4230 days #21
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


It was attractive because poor people couldn't afford to eat. They were skinny not by choice, but by force. Nowadays, the majority of people in first world countries don't have to worry about that, so it isn't attractive anymore. So it was never attractive aesthetically, it was just a symbol for something else attractive.


Rubens and Botticelli wouldn't have agreed with you. A plump woman WAS beautiful in their eyes ... rich or poor. In Arab countries a BBW is considered to be very desirable, or at least that's how it was only 40 years ago. I even remember the adverse reaction of my generation to Twiggy (a model) who would not look out of place on a runway even today with her anorexic figure. Anyone born in the 30s or 40s would have found what is now considered to be plump, attractive and normal.

As to your statistics re. poor people, in the past and now many of them were stout, even fat because they could only afford cheap, starchy foods, like potatoes and pasta. Edited on May 25, 2013, 09:30am

05-24-13  06:19pm - 4230 days #21
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Wife read it and for two weeks while she read, it was a every night affair. There was an article suggesting the release of the book increased pregnancies.


I think I'll start this book next. Maybe it'll do something for my libido???

05-24-13  06:16pm - 4230 days #13
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Originally Posted by skunk:


Hi sorry bust your bubble most of the solo i work with do hardcore on the same day as solo. as not much $$$$ or ��� for solo. better not think about it lol


I know, I know, skunk. That's what you call being willfully blind! I just didn't want to admit to myself that MY models were also often prostitutes. In my mind they stripped because they were exhibitionists and if they made a bit of money on the side it wasn't the same as those "others" who engaged in sex acts with men on a regular basis. Very disheartening, sigh!!

05-24-13  10:02am - 4230 days #19
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Originally Posted by graymane:


I'm leavin' you with the news that I'm shopping, just for you, to acquire the following:
young and mature beauties adorned in the finest of Intimate Apparel, so stunning that you'll need sunglasses to protect your Dilated Pupils.
Exquisite Babes, sporting the loveliest of satin or silk underlings; mouth-watering Sexy Lingerie, and silk panties emblazoned with your name across a loosely fitted crouch, surrounded by wraparound garter and belt clipped to stocking covering legs to die for. All at your command, and in ready mode to follow your every desire on how she parts with each item; A guarantee of satisfaction, documented on your options, extending beyond the limits of conventional striptease.

All and perhaps more are gearing up to put on a show that'll have your mojo burning rubber to get back home.


You are trying your darnest to undermine my newly found feminine side, aren't you? And I will be very happy to go along with you on that one, so please start shopping and give me the site url as soon as you come across it.

05-24-13  09:55am - 4230 days #18
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Originally Posted by pat362:


This is one of those novel that was written for women and I don't think most men can enjoy it. Not that they shouldn't enjoy it but more that the way it's written is truly meant for one gender. I know many women at the office have read all three novels and they seemed to enjoy them but their description of what happens makes me think that I wouldn't and I was a huge reader of romance novels. My favorite author is/was Johanna Lindsey but I used to get a kick at reading Harlequin romance novels when I was younger. Mind you I was already an old fart by the time I reached my 20's.


A series of four books I am just finishing up was written for women as well, Pat. The constant references to hard abs and six packs and ribbed torsos seem to be a good indicator of this! Yet, they grabbed my attention and emotions more than anything I have read recently. Oh God, maybe I am turning bi (not that there is anything wrong with it) on top of getting old???? So, I am curious to find out how I will like "Fifty Shades Of Grey." Maybe I'll read it next. Edited on May 24, 2013, 10:04am

05-24-13  09:43am - 4230 days #11
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Arms are usually the least of one's problems at hardcore sites!


GROOOAAAANN!

05-24-13  09:40am - 4230 days #10
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


You see a favorite softcore model doing hardcore:

But on second thought, maybe

It's the same girl, but now she's different.

It's much easier to accept, if you first meet her doing hardcore.



You are so right. I know this will sound crazy to some but I destroyed about five collections (twenty sets or more) of models I had loved to ogle because I got totally disgusted when I found a hardcore set featuring them. You are right, in my mind they were no longer the same. That sweet girl/woman had just turned into a prostitute.

As I said earlier, I take that for granted in hardcore sites but in a solo (or mostly) one I don't like to face stark, cold reality! Edited on May 24, 2013, 09:44am

05-23-13  06:56pm - 4231 days #21
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Actually Messmer, a US citizen holding an AK47 is not normal since it's a selective-fire, gas-operated 7.62�39mm assault rifle, first developed in the USSR by Mikhail Kalashnikov. It has always been known as a crappy weapon, though it's cheap (and cheaply made) and many terrorist in the world carry this weapon.

On the other hand, the AR-15 (ArmaLite Rifle-15) is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It is manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic materials.

ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire version of the AR-15 entered the U.S. military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian sales in 1963.

More people in the US own AR-15s and this would be the more likely weapon found in their hand as they were beating their pud with the other.

With regard to a government takeover that Cybertoad mentioned, I'm actually more worried about Corporate America turning us into a full fledged Fascist country.

My rant...


Oh I know that .. I mean the AK47 business. All I meant was that it was not possible (as far as I am aware) for an ordinary citizen of another country to purchase automatic or semi-automatic weapons and that there was no practical purpose for owning them since they could not even be used in target practice. Rapid firing weapons tend to pull, are wildly inaccurate (I practiced on Sten Guns) and are only good in close combat when a horde of screaming enemy soldiers are coming at you.

As to your observations about Corporate America (Canada) ..
I am afraid you are right! Except I would not call them Fascists but unrestrained, ungovernable, selfish, greedy Capitalists.

05-23-13  06:27pm - 4231 days #5
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


I really do believe you're howling at the moon Messmer.


One of my favorite pastimes, JB!

05-23-13  06:25pm - 4231 days #4
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I think you hit the nail on the head here. You see a site as solo, you want it to stay that way. So when ALS Scan starting going hardcore, like boy-girl hardcore, I thought it was practically criminal. I don't want to see any penises! (To be fair, this is what I'd imagine any of ALS's models would say if they ever met me in person.)

It seemed like my little utopia of Internet heaven that had once seemed so innocent and peaceful had been invaded by an army of erections and hairy man ass douchebaggery.

Of course it's really because earlier this year ALS Scan became part of the MetArt Network--"Where Flawless Beauty Meets Art" they claim--and though they may be in the minority, plenty of boners already abound. They had already experimented previously with adding boy-girl scenes and to expand, if even only a little for now, is the next natural step. But oh, how I long for the simpler days...


Well, I sure am glad to have company when it comes to the subject, turboshaft. I was shocked to see how much hardcore content has sneaked into sites that were previously solo or mostly solo. For one example, I was about to re-subscribe to Anilos and took their tour just to see what their latest updates were like, and while I am aware that they always carried hardcore content they seem to be flooding the place with it now. Same as AO 30. Economic necessity I guess. All I ever wanted was to watch a beautiful solo model slowly stripping .. I've practically been driven into the arms of all those hardcore sites.


05-23-13  12:31pm - 4231 days #17
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^ Thanks for that reasoned reply, CT. I am not here to make enemies and it is not in us Canadians to be confrontational about anything, so I always feel a bit awkward if I attack someone else's views.

05-23-13  12:17pm - 4231 days Original Post - #1
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... I don't mind hardcore if I watch a scene I downloaded from VideoBox or 21Sextreme or Kink.com, for example, yet hate it with a passion when I find it in sites like Anilos, All Over 30, ATK etc.

Anytime I subscribe to one of the latter sites I rate hardcore content very, very low .. actually you couldn't get any lower .. because it bothers me to find it there. Yet in places that are pure hardcore I do no such judging.

I sometimes think that because the sites I mentioned are mostly solo I tend to think of the models as being mine and the presence of another male disturbs me. There's also the fact that I tend to think of the models as being a grade above the hardcore performers and their doing a hardcore scene just shouts I'm no different. And there go my illusions!

As usual no reply required unless you want to. Just have some time on my hands to ramble a bit.

05-23-13  11:58am - 4231 days #14
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^ You could do worse than constantly thinking of Porn, graymane, it keeps you young. To me it was almost like death when my libido packed it in first time around because Porn was the only hobby I had. Books had been taking a backseat for years but I was pretty well forced back into reading for lack of having something better to do. TV sucks and I am pretty well house bound so what else was there?

I am pleased to say that my mojo does return now and then, and during those days I subscribe to a site and enjoy it, but in its absence I have rediscovered my love of reading and it is no longer a little death for me if it (libido) doesn't rear its alluring head (no pun intended) during a few weeks a month.

You also wrote: "More specifically, I meant "losing me," in my latter post, to mean that -- as a fellow geezer whose interest in porn, associated with your being on my heels in age -- simply says I can't fully identify with these rather dramatic visitations you're describing in your thread."

I did get what you meant, GB, and agreed with you. I don't know of too many geezers (or younger males) who would prefer a romantic novel or movie to an action movie. This is something recent for me ... maybe the emotions expressed in these books bring back fond memories and make me feel younger for a few hours.

05-23-13  11:38am - 4231 days #15
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^ You are undermining your argument by including guns, CT. I know it's an important subject to you, and don't really want to hurt your feelings, but holding an AK47 in your hand is not normal (for an ordinary citizen) anywhere on this globe, except in the U.S. of A. and should not be included in your list of innate rights.

They shouldn't be used for hunting, they are no good for target practice (believe me I know, I am an ex-serviceman) so there's only one reason for having them and that is to kill people either if you feel threatened or if you are a murderous Psychopath. I'll let you keep your six-shooter, though. Yeehah!

05-22-13  07:06pm - 4232 days #11
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^ No, I never deceived myself into thinking of the "performers" in hardcore porn as anything but what you call them, jb. But I have always been turned off by the brutal frankness in the way they are described by VideoBox as whores or sluts. It's not a question of fooling myself, I simply cannot overcome my innate reaction to name calling of any sort.

There was also my failure to point out that my favorite niches are mostly softcore picture sets and movies and I was thinking of those women when I called them lovely and professional models There are, of course, cross-overs but most of them don't strike me as being prostitutes. But I realize that's my view.

05-22-13  12:52pm - 4232 days #11
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Try 50 Shades of Grey, pretty provocative book .


LOL. Got it lined up in my library already, CT! It will be interesting to see eventually how well I like it. One of my daughters, not knowing my liking of Romance/Sex stories, heard all the hype about this book, bought it and was thoroughly disgusted. Didn't like the writing, didn't like the BDSM theme .. thumbs down all around. So, we'll see!

In any case, it's been waiting in my library for some time because I actually like Sci-Fi stories best and have been gorging on those. You know, some of those self-publishing authors are not bad at all. Romance or Sci-Fi. And the price is right.

05-22-13  12:42pm - 4232 days #57
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Welcome, thirsty fish and Roger Siskel to the forum! You are making interesting points and I agree with a lot of your dislikes. My biggest beef (besides anal and fake boobs) has always been the length of the sex scenes. I know they like to alternate when it comes to positions but almost twenty-five minutes of continual sex is too boring for me. Sex? Boring? Yep, if it isn't part of a good story. Too many videos are "get those clothes off and get on with it." No Prelude, no Postlude. You have to be really young to enjoy that!

05-22-13  12:25pm - 4232 days #8
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Regardless of how you want your perversions served up, or if you are a voyeur of porn, I still submit that we are all whoremongers - a prostitute's customer (I don't mean this in a bad way - it's just the term fits).

As biker points out, a voyeur is "A person who gains sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity." So in the scheme of things, a voyeur doesn't have to pay for it - and in that case he's probably a peeping tom.

Semantics - don't ya just love it?


Ah, but is looking at a prostitute the same as consorting with a prostitute? Maybe we are accessories to whoremongering while the porn producers are the real deal? I will grant you no more than that!

But, frankly, even though it may fit, I strongly dislike the word because I never looked at all the lovely models I downloaded as "whores," I am grateful that they are willing to share their bodies with the world and if they get paid for it, that makes them professional models in my eyes .. nothing worse or disreputable.


05-22-13  12:11pm - 4232 days #16
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Originally Posted by Rick:


That is quite the niche messmer! hahah

The freshness is mainly referring to modern function and design. I get depressed for a second when I stare at our stone-aged sites.

You guys are right though... this place would be a ghost town with Khan's presence. He'll always be top dog here!


Ah, I see what you mean now, Rick. In my mind you were about to appoint someone to cruise the internet to discover interesting sites that are different and cutting edge and then talk them into listing with you.

But I am sure that what you are about to do will be good as well!


And, yes, we do love Khan and appreciate him!

05-22-13  10:27am - 4232 days #9
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Messmer,

I think you said what many probably think more often then they care to admit.
I think in my opinion you are more comfortable with your manlyness then the rest of us.
I hit the 1/2 century mark last year, and my T has been affected to a point think it started a few years ago when I stopped drinking in 2005.
My S/O has said she noticed the Romantic part in me coming back out where it was lost since the early 80's .

I admire you Messmer, for being open to be what life brings.
You may have helped inspire me even more too.


Thanks for that kind reply, CT. I think I am more comfortable with my manliness because my wife has always loved and accepted me just as I was, warts and all. That made it very easy to be myself, no matter what stage of life I was in.

And I am sure your wife (or S/O) is very happy about your romantic part making a re-appearance! Mature women like that, while most young girls, on the other hand, swoon at the sight of an Alpha male, especially with well developed abs ... or so I am starting to find out through my Kindle books ... no, once again NOT Harlequin Romances. Just romance with lots of loving sex ... with the usual complications!


05-22-13  10:10am - 4232 days #8
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Golly, mess, I think you lost me on this one.

Except the reference to your adoring and devoted partner, to whom you always unfailingly spotlight so affectionly in terms of the kind of endearment that truely sparkles.


Well, old friend, I think I probably lost quite a few on that one which is what I expected.

I just find that old age is making me more sentimental, romantic and mellow, with no more desire to prove anything to myself and others ... and I like it. The only thing I don't like about my current state is the fact that my Libido takes a hike entirely too often and is slow to return home after it does! Edited on May 22, 2013, 10:29am

05-21-13  03:57pm - 4233 days #5
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Originally Posted by Capn:


You never had to be macho, my friend.

There are more than enough Alphas in the world.

Cap'n.

PS: Losing respect?

Quite the reverse!


Your comment means a lot to me, Cap'n! Thanks.

05-21-13  03:55pm - 4233 days #4
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Originally Posted by Advent:





Thanks for the thumbs up, Advent!

05-21-13  02:31pm - 4233 days Original Post - #1
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... but I am turning into a sissy and need a testosterone shot in a hurry! Proof?

1) I get teary eyed with gratitude and love every time I look at my beautiful wife or contemplate my loving family.

2) I am starting to like chick flicks! Forget about Bruce and Arnold and Vin ... give me Tom and Meg and "Sleepless in Seattle" any time.

3) I download Romance books from Kindle. No, not the Harlequin type .. they've got to have some action to them .. but still? Romance?

4) I long for sexy videos with a bit more tenderness in them, rather than the mindless rutting one normally gets. More foreplay, more afterglow.

Actually, forget about the testosterone shot .. I sorta like the way I feel in my dotage.

Just wanting to share some of the benefits that come with old age to many of us.

Of course some of you youngsters will see the above as something negative, that's why the title of this post ... but for me it's nice not to have to be macho any more.

05-21-13  02:07pm - 4233 days #4
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Originally Posted by biker:


My dictionary says for voyeur "A person who gains sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity."

So I would say; looking at any type of porn would qualify a person as a voyeur. So I classify myself as a voyeur.

Is this a perversion? If both sides are consenting adults I would say; no. If I was a peeping tom looking through windows of unsuspecting people, then yes, to me that would be perverted.

As you say, "One man's perversion is another man's norm." The rest I will leave to the justice system.


You took the words right out of my mouth, biker.

05-20-13  10:07am - 4234 days #10
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Hi Rick, welcome back. When you write: "I'm putting a lot of time and resources in brand new sites that will bring freshness and cutting edge resources for everyone" does this mean you wiill be searching the www for unusual sites not presently listed in TBP? I don't know quite how to take that remark.

If you do, don't forget to look for sites that feature: mature ladies, dressed in fine lingerie getting slowly undressed down to fully nude (I am throwing that last one in for my pal the Cap'n!)

05-19-13  10:44am - 4235 days #10
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I think it makes a great deal of difference in how one looks at fake boobs when it comes to a porn star's lack of self-confidence or a woman who underwent a double mastectomy. I don't think it would occur to anyone to slam a woman who had just lost her breasts for helping out nature, if she so desires.

Cosmetic surgery CAN be a great thing, just not in porn. Each and every performer always looked better to me before rather than after her alterations.

05-16-13  02:27pm - 4238 days #10
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Wittyguy wrote: " While PU is a cool community it has somewhat stagnated in terms of growth / participation and newness / uniqueness. This isn't just a PU/TBP problem, I think it a problem with all review sites and the internet porn world in general."

I completely agree when it comes to "newness/uniqueness" in internet porn. I think the reason the Porn Industry is in trouble is not because of the financially lean times but because of the sameness of most of the material produced nowadays and the ennui of users who have seen it all a thousand times.

We are craving something new, something different, or in my case a return to the "old" days (five years ago?) when getting undressed in front of the camera was still an art. I HAVE money in my pocket, I AM willing to spend it but I'm darned if I can find a site that is to my liking these days.

05-16-13  12:30pm - 4238 days #7
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No worries, Khan, while I appreciated winning the raffle now and then (actually quite often) it was never the reason why I participated here or subscribed to sites through here.

I could also see that it did not accomplish its purpose of attracting more active participants or new members because a select handful of us seemed to win week after week, so your decision makes a great deal of sense in these lean times. Hope you will never have to shut down this great site and portal.

Loyally yours, m.

05-13-13  01:50pm - 4241 days #45
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Its like going down the cookie isle and all the cookies are chocolate chip.


I hate chocolate chip cookies!

05-13-13  10:29am - 4241 days #41
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Originally Posted by Cameramankeith:


I have read quite a lot of the comments on this post and will just add my short opinion. I definitely prefer to see a girl wearing some items underneath her outer clothing. Just going from a summery dress to full nude is certainly not the best way. There should be a bra and skimpy knickers at the very least for a nice tease. Any site that follows this format will get my vote.


And the "skimpy knickers" should be fully visible and not half hidden by the various positions (half bent forward, half bent to the side, rear shots with knickers already at half mast) the photographers put the models in. I keep longing for a couple of shots a set where the model actually stands up straight, facing the camera with panties still fully up, after that the photog can do what he wants. The ideal shot would be from slightly below (photographer kneeling) so that part of the crotch (gusset) would be visible as well.

05-13-13  10:19am - 4241 days #25
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Originally Posted by Cherry:


To messmer - That's not true! My mom met my step father when she was 30 and he was 62! They live together until his death at 89! My boyfriend is 50 and I'm 31! It's not a fetish with old men, its just a different perception... some women see the man and not the look and appearance :D


Well, when faced with evidence like that, how can I refute it, Cherry? I am seventy-seven years old and find it terribly hard to believe that anyone younger than 65 would be interested in me .. unless I had lots of money or was a powerful figure of some sort. In a way I am glad to hear that spring-winter love is possible even though I am out of the race for good!

05-10-13  11:45am - 4244 days #13
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


^ haha... no, not really turned off Messmer. Like all older gentlemen with younger snatch, money talks. There are a couple of sites I can think of that promote this - Jurassic Cock on PornPros and Mario Salineri's website. Not that subscribe to it personally, just saying.

Cherry - had you not rated the three websites 100% and actually maybe done a "review" of said websites it would seem less likely to be taken as spam. There seemed nothing subtle about the posting.


Yep, that's the point I was making, jb, that power and money talk and manage to snare some young trophy wives / girlfriends for whom these things are an aphrodisiac. But if they do get turned on you can be sure it is not by Grandpa's charm and good looks.

05-10-13  09:56am - 4244 days #11
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To add a bit of conversation to this post: Is anyone else turned off by seeing very mature men kissing young girls? I can only see it happen in porn, in real life most women would be too disgusted to kiss a man who could be their father or even grandfather as is the case here (see girl in bath cap.) Unless of course he happens to be a powerful politician or movie star, a member of the Rolling Stones, a billionaire or Hugh Hefner.

05-05-13  11:45am - 4249 days #23
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Originally Posted by biker:


Your post reminds me of the film "Anatomy of a Murder".
During the trial the defense is given a pair of panties that they are about to use as evidence and the judge brings both attorneys up to his bench to discuss what term to use knowing "panties" would disrupt the court. Both Jimmy Stewart and George C. Scott were at a loss as to what other term to use.

I can only come up with "briefs". I think this term works for both men and women.


Thanks, biker! Still at a loss to see how the word "panties" could be objectionable to two grown, intelligent women. I understand if at the time of "Anatomy of a Murder" one did not want to talk about a delicate subject like women's lingerie in a court .. but now ... in the 21st Century? Edited on May 05, 2013, 11:48am

05-04-13  10:29am - 4250 days #21
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Originally Posted by luv lickn clit:


Despite the high percentage of intially clothed sets, the models typically lose the clothes fast, and there are very few good strip sequences. The photographer Antonio Clemens does the best job of photographing strip sequences.

Messmer, I also counted how many of the last 80 sets had panties. It was only 25 of 80, and maybe half of those had the full frontal shots you describe. Met-Art is a good site, but strip-tease and panties are not their forte.


Thanks, llc. So much for Met-Art!

05-03-13  01:10pm - 4251 days #5
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Though I wouldn't call him "impressive" myself, James Deen comes to mind when you're talking about a porn star who seems to delight both female viewers and co-stars. He's not some steroidal, ex-con-looking freak with a boner, but he's certainly not Ron Jeremy-fat or hairy either.

Deen's rabid (horny) female fan base seems to be attracted to his comparatively innocent boy-next-door looks and the fact that he isn't some vile Max Hardcore impersonator. And porn girls actually want to work with him because of his nice guy personality, sexual reliability (he's still in his 20s), and the overall lack of creepiness that seems to afflict a lot of the regular porn actors. Hell, his interviewers (female ones, of course) even seem to want to fuck him.

And judging by his blog, guys probably envy him or just plain hate him for having the life that he does.


James Deen is one of the few male porn stars I can tolerate. And to satisfy the original poster, I have also seen him do some rough porn, either at Kink.com or at Brazzers (Porn Stars Punishment .. now deleted from the site.)

I seem to recollect reading somewhere that he is doing some crossing over into "main stream," either TV or movies, I can't remember which.

04-29-13  11:09am - 4255 days #16
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By the way, only last week I heard two commentators on CNN (women) make remarks on how much they disliked the word "panties!" Does anyone have a clue why this word would be objectionable to some and if it is, what is its substitute?

04-29-13  11:04am - 4255 days #15
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Originally Posted by Monahan:


You are correct. Almost all of MetArt's photo sets start totally naked.


Wow, thanks for the samples, Monahan. I really appreciate crotchless panties and developed a great liking for panty stuffing when I subscribed to "In The Crack" a few years ago.

My main turn on is still full-backed, lacy, nylon panties and I always get angry when photographers have the occasional model that does wear them and then make her take them down discretely before you can see them in their fullness!

04-29-13  10:56am - 4255 days #14
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Originally Posted by etna:


Please keep in touch 'messmer'. I love panties, and am yet to find a site that mixes sex with sexy underwear. Most of the time they just pull 'em down really quickly. I will keep an eye out.


Thanks, etna, I surely would appreciate if you did keep an eye open for me. I haven't had any luck.

04-28-13  10:01am - 4256 days #19
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Al Jazeera, Europe News are two very good news channels. I used to like CNN but am disgusted with CNN Headline News because they turned it into a crime circus. CNN itself appears to feature a basic 10 stories a day, catering to those who live in the U.S., while the rest of the world is forgotten, unless there is something really huge happening, something they simply cannot ignore.

Fox News .. forget about it. To Canadians they appear to be to the right of Attila the Hun and we can only take them in small doses without getting ill.

04-16-13  11:15am - 4268 days #11
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


If there is no strip they must acquit !

My picture collection is mostly of strip types I just do not find it well suited to just have instant nudes.


I am the same way, CT. That's why I've never subscribed to sites like MetArt because I assume they are mostly nude studies. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

04-16-13  11:14am - 4268 days #10
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I think almost every single strip on my sites shows the models involved in various states of undress including wearing panties. I've always insisted on showing each stage of the undressing.


Hi Ed, I just took a quick tour of AMC and liked what I saw re. frontal view of panties. Question: it is not obvious from the samples if the ladies strip completely. Do they? And # 2: What would be your biggest picture size? Maybe the information was there but I didn't see it. Thanks.

04-12-13  10:46am - 4272 days #7
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Originally Posted by Claypaws:


I am happy to include this in all photo sets where the models wear panties. I already have in some sets but by no means all.

I do not think there is any photographer conspiracy to avoid these shots. Photographers can only use a mixture of their own judgement and members' requests if they are shooting for a site that has them. I have built many requests into my own photo shoots.

In videos, it is somewhat more difficult because there is only so much direction you can give a model and she might not remember all of it. Indeed, the photographer might not remember all of it (speaking for myself). There is not much scope for doing several takes either. Shoots have to be done incredibly fast.


That's refreshing to know ( re. full frontal, panties still up), claypaws. I can't understand why photographers just don't leave one or two shots like that in, it wouldn't hurt anyone, nor offend anyone's taste and would allow me to put up with an endless series of nude shots that are almost identical to each other. Trouble is, if I remember right, you shoot for a site where good strip shoots are hard to come by so I would have to wait for your contributions which might not be every day or even every week.

04-12-13  10:34am - 4272 days #6
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Originally Posted by luv lickn clit:


Messmer, I think its part of the general trend among photogs and porn sites of neglecting the slow sexy strip tease. How many times for example have you seen a photo set or video where the cameraman focuses on the girl unbuttoning her blouse or top one button at a time, or slowly unzipping it if it has a zipper? Then making her bra straps fall one at a time, and giving some sexy cleavage views and nipple peeks before taking off her bra. Then getting her jeans/pants/skirt off in a sexy way. Then letting us enjoy some sexy moves while she's wearing only her panties. Then some sexy panty tease with both front and rear views. If a girl does that right, I'm rock hard before she even takes her panties off! And you mentioned one of my pet peeves--for some reason we almost always get the rear view only when models take their panties off. How about pull them down nice and slow to the mid thigh level, then pull them back up, turn around, and do it again. But sadly, such videos or photo sets are next to impossible to find. In most cases and for most porn sites, its let's get to fully nude in a hurry. Very frustrating for a panty lover like me!

I'm going to post a review of All Panty Pass very soon. My one month membership just ended there, and sadly, I find it hard to recommend the site.


Aaah, you are making me drool. This is exactly how I would love to see it done. That is why I have turned mostly to videos, they don't give me what I want either (re. panties) but are more exciting than the average picture set these days. I have dropped a couple of formerly favorite picture sites for good and am waiting out the rest of my subscription time with the last of them now. Every update, every day has been a major disappointment. I swear they used to be better and have old sets to prove it but now it is cookie cutter photography just like all the others.

04-11-13  10:19pm - 4273 days #4
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Originally Posted by Capn:


What you say is lamentably very true, my friend & I do feel for you.

This piled upon scant few decent strip sequences anyway!

Cap'n.


How true, Cap'n! I think someone took my request for more lingerie seriously but failed to get the spirit of my request which was to see a complete strip sequence from fully clothed to fully naked rather than having someone start in a teddy or already in stockings and garter belt right from picture one. I appreciate the lingerie but that is not what I was after, as you know only too well. And then when you get a set that starts with fully clothed they coyly hide the undies .... and there, once again goes the tease factor. And I sure wish that I could stop boring myself silly repeating the same thing over and over. But otoh that's what the photogs are doing to me, aren't they?

04-11-13  02:27pm - 4273 days Original Post - #1
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This is not addressed to those for whom panties are a fetish, iow. those who get a kick from a Sears catalogue, but to those who like to see pretty women wear them before they get fully naked. In other words, people like me!

Here is my observation (and bafflement as to why this should be so):

In the overwhelming majority of picture sets that feature a strip sequence there is hardly one picture that will depict a woman standing up, in a frontal shot, with panties still fully up.

Picture lovers, take a look at the sets you saved. Am I right?

The model will stand slightly bent forward so that most of her belly will cover her panties until only a small triangle is showing, or she will lean to the right or left hiding most of her undergarment. Or in most cases she will show the panties, but this time from the rear, fingers hooked into the waistband, with panties already more than halfway down.

There is a third method I really despise and that is when she takes the panties down at the same time as her jeans or slacks. This may be a nice, quick, convenient way in real life of getting undressed in a hurry ... but in a picture set that's supposed to be erotic?

There's never an effort to hide anything else .. is there something especially shameful about exposing your panties to the full? Why are most photographers so reluctant to leave in one or two frontal shots, preferably shot while kneeling?

SeanR comes closest but with him it is mostly crotch shots and while I love those it is not what I crave to see most: a couple of pictures per set that are full frontal, standing, with panties (hopefully sexy) still up around the hips.

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