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11-25-08  03:26pm - 5871 days #61
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Not that there's been enough thinking ...


Actually, here's a little thought as to getting around the Brit's law and actually it probably has more to do with the future of porn than the present. Just recently there was a student who did a public suicide on a live webcam (you knew it was bound to happen, I'm suprised it just took this long). Obviously, no one who watched could really be charged with a crime or sued civilly failing to intervene. My thought extends to the idea of streaming video or just looking at pictures.

The Brit law makes "possession" of extreme porn a crime. Viewing a pic or a streaming vid is like watching tv, you have no control over the image other than choosing to look at it. As BadAndy has noted several times in this forum, the future of porn is going to be streaming as broadband becomes the norm. If that's the case then it becomes difficult to claim that someone actually possesses illegal material because they don't have any of it saved. This defense is probably a bit technical and I'm not advocating that anyone try it but it is just a thought ... at least I'm trying Drooler ;)
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11-25-08  03:13pm - 5871 days #64
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11-25-08  03:06pm - 5871 days #5
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11-25-08  02:55pm - 5871 days #19
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11-23-08  01:01pm - 5873 days #3
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11-23-08  12:57pm - 5873 days #20
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11-21-08  04:27pm - 5875 days #3
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11-21-08  04:16pm - 5875 days #4
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11-20-08  12:19pm - 5876 days Original Post - #1
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11-15-08  12:40pm - 5881 days #11
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'm not sure how we could prevent minors from accessing adult websites if their parents don't do anything about it.

I don't know but can a minor have a credit card without a parent signing the contract? If no, then as a parent you should monitor what your underage children use it for.


Actually, all you need is a bank account with a debit card and those are easy enough to get for minors. You do need a parents consent to get a c-card but how much do parents really dive into their kids bills unless they're getting out of hand. I suppose the kids could also just lie about their age and financial status on credit card applications and get one that way too.

I think parents need to be involved in monitoring what their kids see to a point. However, I'm thinking the age verification system will probably come about at some point ... or maybe not ;)
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11-15-08  12:35pm - 5881 days #15
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11-14-08  06:35pm - 5882 days #3
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11-14-08  06:21pm - 5882 days #9
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Originally Posted by pat362:


At the moment US laws aren't targeting ISP's but that's today. What will happen tomorrow is not yet decided. All I'm saying is that it's easier to stop porn by controlling access to it then going after porn sites. There are so many porn sites today that I'm sure they can't be easily counted, and new ones are popping up each day. How many ISP are there in America at the moment? I'm sure it's not a thousand.


True, it would be easiest to chase the ISP's but if you go after one you'll be going after them all (either class action or the big players will jump in, voluntarily or otherwise) and everyone will spend big coin. With the Dem's in charge and the economy tanking here the "culture war" issues like porn will be sitting on the back burner for years to come.

One issue where the government could certainly clamp down (and they may already be starting this in parts of Europe) would be to require age verification through a 3rd party website provider. Let's face it, how many teens have debit card or credit cards today. So long as you got the magic 16 digits you're in porn world. A state prosecution for sex with a minor recently got dismissed because the underage girl appeared on one of those adult dating sites and represented she was 20 to the guy and his defense was that he relied on the site and her for age verification. This is one area where the government could legitimately start requiring more regulation.

How such a system would work exactly I don't know but you can bet it wouldn't take long for someone or some government agency to start subpoenaing records from the age verification site.
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11-14-08  06:01pm - 5882 days #13
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11-13-08  04:28pm - 5883 days #3
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11-13-08  04:20pm - 5883 days Original Post - #1
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11-11-08  03:23pm - 5885 days #31
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11-09-08  05:53pm - 5887 days #58
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11-09-08  05:43pm - 5887 days #57
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11-09-08  05:38pm - 5887 days #11
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11-07-08  03:15pm - 5889 days #7
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Location: Left Coast, USA 		I think going after the ISP's would be difficult. Let's face it, the big ISP's and the search engines (which rely a lot on ISP's as a gateway) are well organized in Congress and have deep pockets for litigation. I note that the new German law does not hold ISP's liable for "young looking" content as I'm sure their lobbyists nipped any idea of that in bud.

Under US law, the ISP's have a certain amount of immunity although it is certainly not well defined. For example, some community host sites have been sued and the courts have not held them liable for defamatory content on their sites because they are basically acting as a distributor of information and not actually publishing the information. The ISP's could make the same argument in regards to porn sites; they are just maintaining the road while it is up to you to drive to your destination.

When you think about it, if ISP's were liable for content then the government could already be going after them if you could find al-queda sites (promotion of terrorism), child porn, and for people who send threatening emails to the President. Clearly there is already some "natural" idea building that ISP's can't be held liable for everything, just like a newspaper that quotes someone who makes libelous statements isn't automatically liable for publishing those statements.

The law is definitely vague and porn is/will be in the foreground of the fight over how much regulation can be imposed on the net.
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11-06-08  07:18pm - 5890 days #4
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


I don't think most people realise how restricted American video producers are. 20 years ago they could show almost anything. Nowadays watersports is most definitley out. Fisting is a no no. Spanking scenes can be prosecuted if they are linked in any way to sexual behaviour. Compared to European producers, there is very little allowed in the way of genuine deviation. No wonder the product from mainstream American porn is so bland.


Actually, I would say that there are probably more extreme porn sites than ever thanks to the internet. Watersports, caning and fisting can still be seen galore if your tastes run that way (just look at the TBP listings and you'll find a lot). I think the Euro's still hold sway with the bizarre content but there is a lot of nonmainstream stuff still being produced here. Compared with where Europe is heading, the US is probably still more free overall; the government just can't shut down your site or have some bureaucrat censure you. Only the courts can shut you down here so I think we get more press when cases get prosecuted over other nations where censureship can be more covert.

The mainstream stuff is somewhat bland but I think that goes with the market; American's overall prefer bland or generic porn I guess. Give the masses what they want.
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11-06-08  06:14pm - 5890 days #26
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11-06-08  06:08pm - 5890 days Original Post - #1
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This thread is an offshoot of the "Big Brother Comes Knocking in the UK" thread (click here to link back to that thread: https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...07&lastPage=true). That thread more or less has turned into a discussion regarding free speech and/or speech laws and how they apply to porn. Since the topic has expanded I figure it deserves it's own thread. So here's the latest.

As of Wednesday, the German's have decided that it is now illegal to sell or distribute porn featuring actors who have "a youthful appearance". I don't know exactly what that means exactly but I assume it means under 18. Considering how bizarre German porn can get why the heck is this a problem and why now? Hustler is now suing to overturn the law because it would ban the sale of their "Barely Legal" series.

Regarding another matter, John Stagliano and his Evil Angel websites are currently facing obscenity charges in federal court in DC. His "obscene" material consists of some squirting movies and fetish stuff featuring Belladonna. Unlike Max Hardcore's case which involved distribution via the mail, this case involves distribution over the internet. In my mind the defense is playing this smart saying that the "community standards" prong of the Miller test can't be applied to the internet because the website can't control the geographic reach of their sites. They are also arguing that the feds can't focus on whether just individual videos or trailer's are obsence; they are arguing that the "work as a whole" part of the Miller test must include the entire website or network. They are trying to get the whole case tossed. Whether they win or lose, the case will surely go up on appeal and maybe decide if the Miller test even applies to the internet.

For those who aren't up to speed on the Miller Test, that is a test devised by the US Supreme Court in 1973 to determine if something is obscene under federal law (state laws don't necessarily apply the same test if they even have obsenity laws) it more or less reads as follows:

When deciding if material is obscene the jury must find that:

1. Whether an average person applying contemporary community standards would find the work, as a whole, appeals to prurient interests;
2. Whether the work in question depicts or describes in a patently offensive way sexual conduct as defined under State law; and
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11-03-08  01:08pm - 5893 days #16
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11-03-08  01:03pm - 5893 days #51
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


As a newbie I thought I'd make this my first post as it is one that caught my eye.


Hey Squirrel. Just wanted to say welcome to PU and the forum. New voices are always welcome here. I agree with most everything you had to say.
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11-02-08  11:41am - 5894 days #16
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11-01-08  10:44pm - 5894 days #4
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11-01-08  10:40pm - 5894 days #5
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Location: Left Coast, USA 		I'm of the opinion that loyalty bonuses don't do much for me, even using the discount formula that Drooler talks about. Usually, I would not be interested in all of the bonus sites to the point where I would actually save money by remaining a member versus picking and choosing the sites I was interested in and joining separately.

It also sort of goes against my code of not spending a ton of money on porn. Obviously some people have different attitudes on this but overall it seems to me that I could spend my money on better things than shelling out big $$ for some bonus material down the road. This train of thought also coincides with my idea that I would rather visit a bunch of sites and come back to the ones I like since most sites don't update enough for me to justify sticking around for more than a month.

Lastly, I'm also of the opinion that unless you're dealing with a well established site(s) like 21stsextury that you run the risk of being shorted in the end.
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10-30-08  01:39pm - 5897 days #5
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10-29-08  08:47pm - 5898 days #9
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Originally Posted by Rick:


p.s. You got it figured out pretty good, nice work.


What, you mean Rick isn't going to pay off his Ferrari any time soon with TBP revenue streams? Just wanted to note how "easy" it would be for TBP and/or PU to have advertising on their sites to beef up the potential subscribers. Thankfully they don't. Here's to the working class "porn bastards" of TBP/PU.
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