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05-25-10  06:58pm - 5325 days #28
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I remember a female friend of mine sending me a small clip about 8yrs ago of a woman giving a BJ to a horse. The clip lasted maybe 30-40 seconds and culminated with the horse doing what any stimulated male would do in that situation. I can't say that it offended me but I had just comeback from lunch and that video didn't help my digestion
All that to say that I tend to take messmer's view on the subject of beastiality. It's not so much animal abuse as human abuse.

If the majority of beastiality films involve a woman with a male animal then can we truly say that this animal was abused because he was sexually stimulated. I've had a few dogs try to hump my leg over the years. If I let them do it then does that mean that I'm abusing that animal?

I would say that in the situation of a female stimulating an animal. The female is the one that we should feel bad for and not the animal. You could argue that he had no choice but I'd say that she had even less than he did. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  06:45pm - 5326 days #138
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


LOL, I still haven't seen it. I'll wait for it to arrive on television. The trailers make it look like a cartoon and what I've read about the plot sounds truly painful.


It's basically Dances with Wolves but in outer space. I truly enjoyed it and I recommend you rent it on dvd. The problem with waiting for it to come to tv is that you'll probably be stuck with commercials and who wants to spend 4hrs watching movie. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  06:41pm - 5326 days #17
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:



Just wanted to say that I hope use bunch of pervs has proved useful (I did take the survey). A couple of observations though: 1) Most of us are "old timers" who fall outside the younger demographic that the survey seems more geared towards. I wonder if that, in turn, would skew the results at all in that I wonder if the experience of age allows us to separate our personal feelings from decision making (making us more practical and less ideological) or, alternatively, if we just become more settled with our personal biases and find ways to rationalize our planning.



I noticed that the questions seemed more geared to a younger age group than most of us are. Hopefully she will get just as many if not more young people to answer her survey. That could help make a correlation between age and overall porn addiction. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  06:34pm - 5326 days #15
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Originally Posted by WeeWillyWinky:


I did it too, and it only took a few minutes. One thing I wondered, however, was: what's with all the questions on beastiality? Is beastiality really that popular? I never met a person who was remotely into it. Why were there no questions about other fetishes like pee-pee, voyeurism, trannies, orgies, gang-bangs, which seem to be a whole lot more popular?

Also, the questionnaire could be a lot shorter since a great many of the questions were essentially retreads of previous ones.


I didn't mention it but I have to agree that I found the questions on beastiality interesting. I was not aware that it was a such a popular fetish. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  06:30pm - 5326 days #22
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I don't mind a few closeups of genetalia but my issue is when the camera has been showing only that for 5 minutes. My porn has to include th entire package so that means face shots, body shots, genetalia and various permetations of these shots. If the cameraman spends 5 minutes showing me a girls vagina during the sex than my mind wonders what is happening outisde of the camera angle. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  08:43am - 5326 days #7
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I did the survey and it was painless. There are a couple of questions that I found a little ambiguous so I did my best on those.

Best of luck on this survey. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  08:42am - 5326 days #136
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


pat362, have you seen Robin Hood yet? Which is the better movie (more enjoyable), Robin Hood or Iron Man 2? I'm trying to figure out which one I want to see.


I haven't seen Robin Hood and I don't plan to see that one until it comes out on DVD. I'm not a huge fan of movies that try retelling well known stories.

I'd stick with Iron man 2. I think you'll enjoy it more than Robin. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  08:27am - 5326 days #17
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:



That and I just don't get all hot and bothered over updates. For some reason I have never been very excited about 'coming attractions' as I am usually disappointed and let down by the hype--hey, just like life! I either prejudge things too much, thinking they will be really great, or just ignore them all together and focus on what is currently available.

And for reasons having nothing to do with the economy, I may also have serious commitment issues...


I always get excited about upcoming updates but I often feel let down. Sometimes because of the hype but it's usually because of the finish product.

I must also have major commitment issues because I don't want to be tied down to a single site for such a long time.
That or the fact that paying such a large upfront amount is sure to bother my bank account. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-24-10  08:21am - 5326 days #2
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I think the biggest reasons for those constant close-up is more a case of incompetence and lack of imagination. How many professional cameramen are working in porn today? It's a fact that anyone with a digital camera is now able to film porn as well as true professionals...NOT. We are subjected to these shots for the same reasons that we are subjected to every other weird things we see in porn.

Porn is produced by people that should never, ever have been allowed to own a camera. Let alone shoot hot girls having sex. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-23-10  06:44pm - 5327 days #134
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My nephew wanted to see Iron Man 2 so we did and it was pretty much what I read it would be.

It's a perfect summer movie. Lots of action, mixed with some comedy and a dash of romance. It probably won't win any Oscars but it was a fun and entertaining 2hrs. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-22-10  05:41pm - 5328 days #6
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It bothers me when I hear that a good site went out of business. More so when you consider some of those that are still in business and their content is significantly
crappier. I agree that the way American vice advised their customer is a sign of a company that understands customer service. Hopefully the webmaster is able to move forward and create something else.

I've never picked a yearly membership to any site, but I kept my Brazzer and 21sextury membership for many months.
I suspect that in both cases the yearly membership would have been less than what I finally spent for the total number of months I stayed a member. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-21-10  07:13pm - 5329 days #133
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


$20 adult ticket price to see Shrek 4 at an IMAX theater in New York City? The $20 price was posted online this Wednesday, but then the price was dropped to $17 or $19.

These are IMAX theaters, in New York City, for a 3-D movie.

But $20? Or even $17-$19?

I'm waiting to see Shrek 4 on DVD. At Redbox, you can rent DVDs for $1 (not including tax).


I'm going to appologizer ahead of time for my next use of the F word, but How FUCKING Stupid do you have to be to raise ticket prices to 20$ for any movie coming out at this time? Last I checked we aren't out of a recession just yet. Although we can see a light at the end of the tunnel. It doesn't mean we are out of trouble. I believe that there are quite a few families in America and in the rest of the world still having a hard time making ends meet.

Add the fact that this is for Shreck 4 and the stupidity gets even bigger. I was reading an article earlier about that fact that charging 20$ is breaking the barrier in movie goers mind about paying more for movies. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-19-10  07:19pm - 5331 days #4
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I`ve been a recent member of Bang Bros, Reality Kings, Brazzer and Naughty America. I just joined Reality Kings again last week. Of all the above mentioned. I think that Bang bros has the least appealing video quality and I didn`t enjoy the content as much as the others. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-17-10  06:52pm - 5333 days #8
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This may sound really stupid but how anyone can make money on tube sites if the content is free? Is it from sites that advertise on the tube sites? Long live the Brown Coats.

05-16-10  06:30pm - 5334 days #4
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I hope that something happens soon because I'm getting tired of seeing how many new tube sites keep appearing. The problem is so bad that to find any legal content by Googling a performer's name or tittle of a movie is next to impossible because the serarch brings up so many tube sites that you get tired of sorting through them all.

Try a little experiment. Pick your favorite star and Google her name. Count how many tube sites you get out of 3 pages?

I Googled "Faye Reagan" and I got 10 hits for free content.

I Googled "Faye Reagan sex" and I got 22 hits for fre content. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-16-10  09:19am - 5334 days #2
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I think that is an excellent idea. There is nothing more annoying than reading the words nude something and then you discover that you see nothing because of the angle of the shot or the positioning of hands, arms or objects.

I'd much prefer the job of breast inspector. I could be sent all over the world to investigate whether they are real or implants and if they are implants then to probe more deeply the quality of said implants. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-14-10  07:36pm - 5336 days #131
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Originally Posted by Khan:


Actually ... Hustler did that one too. Smelled like perfume from one of those ladies mags.


I remember it, but I didn't remember what the smell was. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-14-10  07:30pm - 5336 days #4
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Before I answer your question I have to say that I do not consider nude photography as porn. Some might but frankly unless there is somekind of penetration or interaction with another person than I simply consider it as nude modeling.

To answer your question. I don't know if I would or not but I know that it would bother me and even if it was just nude modeling. I don't want to know that guys have naked pictures of my girlfriend and I certainly don't want guys to have seen my girlfriend have sex on screen. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-14-10  07:20pm - 5336 days #3
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There seems to be a common thread that connects many of us on this site and it's the desire to find that elusive scene or that special model. I know I'm always thrilled when I find something new. I may be a little different than some because I don't download everything I find. I prefer to pick and choose what I know I'll watch. I do sometime download something that I wanted to watch and then lose it in one of my files but that's rare. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-13-10  07:03pm - 5337 days #5
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Is lightspeed still in business and do they still update. I have to say that I haven't seen or heard anything about that network in a couple of years. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-13-10  07:01pm - 5337 days #126
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Originally Posted by Khan:


Interesting ... many years ago, Hustler did a 3D centerfold. As I recall, it just had embossed nipples.

Guess it's true, everything old is new again.


If that's the case than the scratch and sniff can't be far behind. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-13-10  06:59pm - 5337 days #4
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I'm also at a loss as to why the models have to have a different name. It's possible that the people responsible just don't care what name is used. I have noticed that some of the newer models tend to have a name that goes with them from site to site. The one that comes to mind is Sasha Rose. I've seen quite a few of her scenes and for the most part the name Rose may disapear but the Sasha remains. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-13-10  06:56pm - 5337 days #3
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Originally Posted by Advent:


I DO NOT fake it. In fact when I am "denied" my moment, when all the moaning is over I say that I was denied. I am never mean or disrespectful about it but my thought is....If I fake it and tell him how great he was when he really was not how am I ever going to get him to do the things I really want.



This statement says all there is to say on the subject.
Great Post. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-12-10  07:27pm - 5338 days #123
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


I saw Iron Man 2 - the Special Effects I was most interest in were Scarlett Johanssen's bodily parts -

She looked awesome!!!!


Now imagine if they were in 3d? Long live the Brown Coats.

05-12-10  07:26pm - 5338 days #15
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Originally Posted by mr3633:


I for one am a fan of seeing a woman take a facial. I think you have a large audience that wants to see this and the studios respond to this desire.


What is it about facials that appeals to you? Does it have to be in a specific area of the face? Do you prefer if it's multiple shots or one-on-one? Long live the Brown Coats.

05-12-10  07:24pm - 5338 days #3
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If Tawnee did go hardcore then I've neve heard about it.
Her site states that she's 19yrs old. If that's the case then someone should go and ask her how she manages to do that because she would be the first human being to have stopped aging.

The closest to hardcore that I've ever seen is a BJ scene she did with her boyfriend. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-11-10  07:55pm - 5339 days #121
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A friend of mine saw Iron Man 2 and his description was that there is almost no story but the action and effects are great.

I agree that Hollywood has gone overboard with the 3D to the point where they altered Clash of the Titans by adding the technology, which to all was a disaster. You can film a movie knowing it's going to be 3D but you can't add it after it's filmed and hoped that people will flock to the movie simply based on that...Oops I just forgot that I was talking about Hollywood. This is stil the town that will film a movie simply to sell a product.

I really loved "How to Train your Dragon" and although the 3D is seemless. You didn't need it to make this a very good movie. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-11-10  07:46pm - 5339 days #12
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I've been one of those who's said it before that I simply can't stand facials. I know they exist and I also know that they will still be produced but I disagree that it's because we like them. I'm sure some people do but I'd wager that just as many don't. I personnally won't watch a scene that has one or at least I will stop it before it gets to the facial. Whethre I can watch that scene in the future is hard to tell since I don't remeber one that had a facial and that I've watched more than once. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-11-10  07:40pm - 5339 days #13
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I've been on a short leash for a couple of years now since
my ISP limits my monthly download to 100G. I can always download more but the cost is so high that only a fool does that. I agree that it's apure cash grab like text messaging now is. It used to be free but some genious saw a trend and companies started charging for text messages.
Is there one company that doesn't charge for them and I don't cound those that offer it in a package since you pay for it anyway. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-07-10  07:02pm - 5343 days #13
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I prefer the entire package so the ooohs and the aaahs are great but I also want some dialogue as well. The dialogue has to be more than Oh God, Oh God, Oh God. Case in point was a recent scene on Brazzer with Nikki Sex. What should have been a hot scene was partially ruined because Nikki kept on repeating the above "Oh God" so many times that my brain started counting them. This was Nikki's first on screen anal scene and all I'm doing is counting the Oh God. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-06-10  07:37pm - 5344 days #8
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Originally Posted by justme:


Bandwidth is a finite resource. There is no way to get around this limitation. What would you prefer them to do?


I would tell them the same thing I would tell anyone that says they want to start a business. Find out all that you can about the business you plan to start and once that is done then make sure you have all the things necessary to have a chance at making money. I'd rather someone chose not to start a porn site and put their money in something else then read that a company went bankrupt because they simply couldn't get traffic to their site and the reasons was that it had too many problems.

There was a time when you could have started a porn site from your garage and you had a pretty good chance to make money but those days are over. Today I would tend to believe that you more likely to lose all your money and that is never fun. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-06-10  07:25pm - 5344 days #25
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


If it ain't the money, then those broads are dumber that I thought they were.


I didn't mean that they don't want to make a lot of money but the fact is that for every Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie there are hundreds and even thousands of hopefull that go to castings and wind up as third girl from the left
in the bar scene and get the standard extra's fee. You can make a living at it but only a very small few will ever make the millions of dollars. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-06-10  07:21pm - 5344 days #3
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As always this is another great thread from Wittyguy. I'm always impressed by mbaya and others that choose to travel sites that I'd love to try but I'm still a little reticent to do so because I lost so much money when I fist started surfing the net when I was joining any site that remotely looked good that I now hesitate to spend a 1$ on possible crap. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-05-10  07:23pm - 5345 days #23
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Some of them probably like the attention, which is what gets a number of them in the business in the first place.


How true that statement is. I think many of them get into porn for the attention. I'd say that's probably true for most people that choose acting has a career. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-05-10  07:21pm - 5345 days #22
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


And mainstream actresses are usually wealthy enough that they don't have to do their own grocery shopping.


Although you are correct that some do. Most mainstream actresses do not make enough money to afford paying a person to do her shopping. The fact is that acting is not a major money maker except for a very small percentage of them. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-05-10  07:16pm - 5345 days #4
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Originally Posted by justme:


These guys are pornographers, not tech geeks. Many of them, believe it or not, actually do try their best - but the money just is not there for many of them to have insanely fast servers on insanely fast connections with a highly trained dedicated support staff on-duty 24/7.


I agree with you but then don't start a porn site unless you know what you are doing or paid someone who does. You are only going to piss off customers and lose your money in the process. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-04-10  07:11pm - 5346 days #18
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


Faye is one of my all-time favorites. Maybe it's the freckles, I dunno...but whatever it is, it brings me right up out of my chair. Sad to learn she's in the condition you've discribed.... but it's common knowledge among starlets, that along with the money and fame every last one of those beauties are cursed with distructive powers constanstly nipping at their heels. A surprising number succumb. The temptations can really do a number on these gals.


The freckles are great, but it's her nipples. Those are amazing looking. They remind me a little of Kandi Barbour's nipples.

It can't be an easy life for these girls. What many of us take for granted can become surreal. A quick trip to the grocery store can involve meeting one of your fans. What do you say to a 40 yrs old man who tells you that you are super strokable when all you wanted to do was buy sanitary napkins because it's your time of the month? Mainstream actresses have these isues but for the most part they have a career that does not involve people seeing them have sex on screen and even those that do have sex scenes. They are fake and usually involve a topless scene only. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-04-10  07:01pm - 5346 days #12
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


Stormy a complete fucking bitch? No, but she's not a Madison Ivy type either (Madison refers to herself as "your favority cum-slut".

I think Stormy thinks highly of herself and likes herself as a person and if a fan is going to interact with her, she wants to be interacted with as a human being. She knows she does porn. But there's more to her than that and she wants that to be acknowledged if people are going to interact with her in a way that she would appreciate. That's what I get out of it.


I've never followed Stormy's career so I don't know much about her except what I've read here and there. What may be a great frustration to her is the fact that she wants to be liked for herself and not the fact that she's a pornstar. The problem is that people only know her as a pornstar or stripper and therefore the people she usually meets are going to be fans of her stripping or porn acting.

I don't know if what she wrote was meant as jest or she was serious. I guess some will take it as a joke while others will think she's a bitch. There is not much she can do about it. It must be weird for pornstars to meet their fans. Afterall the reason they like you is because you probably helped them jerk off. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-04-10  06:50pm - 5346 days #10
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I've seen this in scene after scene and it's a turn off for me as well. I can't understand how the director can keep a scene like that in a DVD because it's so pathetic. Just as pathetic is the grunting of those steroid fed muscle men as they masturbate over a girl and then end up with a whimper rather than a bang (read: tiny trickle.)


I've seen it too many times. It's bad enough having to watch the boyfriend try to keep a hard on because the girl won't perform with other guys but when pro's can't keep it up then it gets ridiculous. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-03-10  08:09pm - 5347 days #15
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I've been a big fan of her since she burst on the scene as Faye Valentine. I haven't seen any recent pictures except the ones that you guys linked to. I'd have to say that she has lost some weight in those compared to what she was a few months ago. I don't know if it's due to her break up with Georgia Jones and/or Dane Cross. I mention these 2 people because she has said that she dated both. I just don't know if she meant at the same time. She did take a hiatus from porn and is now back in it. She has done some mainstream modeling work but the cynic in me tends to believe that porn stars get used more than appreciated in these gigs. IE: sex for work. That would definetely give you a skewed view of life outside of porn. Long live the Brown Coats.

05-03-10  07:43pm - 5347 days #2
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The only thing that might beat fisting is double fisting.
That can usually mean one in the vagina and one in the ass but I've seen a couple where both are in the same hole.

I don't know if size matters but for me there is nothing that drops the heat in a scene like a guy with a giant penis that can barely keep it semi-hard trying to screw the girl. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-26-10  06:57pm - 5354 days #19
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


Debi Diamond came back out of retirement a year or two ago. Having been a big fan of her first 2 runs, I can't say that I was excited to see her 3rd. But, hey, if she wanted to do it and some porn fans wanted to see her, then I can't tell her to quit just because my tastes run to younger, tighter babes.


I was surprised when I first heard that she was doing a comeback. I saw a couple of her scenes and she still looks good. She's still wild when it comes to her sex. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-25-10  07:25pm - 5355 days #2
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I'll have to go with smack my bitch. I'm not sure why they went with that name since there is no hitting and I didn't get the sense that they think girls are bitches. This is primarily an anal site starring many of the newer Easern European girls. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-25-10  07:22pm - 5355 days #13
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Originally Posted by Capn:


I disagree on that, Pat.

It gives a good insight into the attitude of the Webmaster.
Surely only those who are out for the last penny they can get would stoop to using such an underhand 'service.'

Cap'n.


I don't disagree with you that regional pricing gives you an insight on a webmasters business decisions but how do you use that into the equation for the score? Does the fact that a site uses regional pricing mean that you have to deduct 10% from your final score? Long live the Brown Coats.

04-25-10  07:05pm - 5355 days #10
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Originally Posted by Goldfish:


I still maintain the title "porn star" isn't what it used to be.

There are a few of the Euro models that pop up fairly regularly. They only go by first names so they're not worth listing.


Is it possible that today's porn star isn't the same as those from by gone years because they simply don't have any staying power? How many new girls came on the scene in 2009 and how many are still there? We've watered down the title porn star to the point where anyone is a porn star with at least one tittle under her belt. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-25-10  07:00pm - 5355 days #11
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I wouldn't pay a dime to watch Jenna Jameson. I had to suffer from her shrill voice and fake boobs when I subscribed, very temporarily, to the Playboy channel.

But once again, I am sure I'm in the minority so don't take offense. No one who is not attractive to a large number of people would be that successful.


I won't speak for her voice but I never understood the appeal of Jenna Jameson. She was atractive in the very beginning but no more so than many other actresses. Her movies weren't any better than most of the others and in my opinion much worse. The plastic surgery and tattoos have seriously altered her appearance to the point where I can't watch her anymore.

The only part that I have a hard time with is the one about the highest paid adult performers because the data is guaranted to be false. It implies that both Jenna and Tera make 30$ million as porn actresses when it's their companies that make that money. I have an even bigger problem with Houston who hasn't made a movie in years. I'd love to know how she can be tagged as a millionaire. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-25-10  06:42pm - 5355 days #6
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Originally Posted by messmer:



I should have answered more specifically: Yes, polls accurately reflect members' views but are useless to the site because they would have to diversify too much to oblige everyone and that would mean that no one is very impressed.



I'm not disagreeing with your statement but it begs the question of why a site would have a forum if not to see what their members think of them and their content. I would hope that a site uses what is inside their forum and build from comments. It's true that some comments may be completely usueless but you can also find the seed of your destruction or survival. Clearly if a specific theme keeps croping out in the forum then not addressing it can
have serious repurcussion on your future. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-24-10  09:12pm - 5355 days #10
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I haven't seen any major changes in the biz so my thoughts are still the same. The only thing that I find different today from a year ago is that many studios have stopped producing new content or they only come out with a movie every few months. While some studios simply don't exist anymore. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-22-10  07:05pm - 5358 days #5
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Aside from the usual suspect of implants, tattoos, lack of pubic hair, cosmetic surgery to the face. I agree with turbo's chewing gum comment. That always drives me nuts when I see a girl chewing gum. Another big one is if she keeps looking at the director or something. It's hard to keep the fantasy going when her eyes aren't on her partner.

Turn ons are deep passionate kissing, sucking, licking of the breast and a sense that there is somekind of passion between the players. Long live the Brown Coats.

04-22-10  06:58pm - 5358 days #11
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I have to agree with turboshaft on Nina's looks. I think that she still looks amazingly hot for a 51 yrs old woman who's been doing porn for 16yrs and not the tame stuff either. As far as I can tell the only surgery that she has had are breast implants and I can't complain too much because they don't look like volleyballs stuck to her chest.

Of course I'm in my 40's so that could have a lot to do with why I still find her beautiful. Long live the Brown Coats.

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