Thanks for the compliments and support, Shen. This is roughly round 712 with a webmaster. Maybe Jimmy will realize none of us are really against him. We have kind of "adopted" a few webmasters in the past and helped them out.
You're right about your navigation. It is terrible. If I could ever be of any use to you for advice (I won't charge), I would be willing to help you out with figuring out how to reprogram it, make it more user-friendly, post on here or on the Porn Users forum and ask. Believe it or not Jimmy, we do not get any joy from "bashing" a site. Humility is the key. Porn Users could be your best friends. I will give you that about conquests number but if you look back at my comment, I based my number just on your estimation of 2.5 hardcore scenes per week. You know why? I didn't know which were just the sex scenes and which weren't. What then comes up is how many of those are just part 1, part 2, part 3 and so on? I know one of the newer conquests has 5 parts in it. Does that count as 5 or 1?
On the ads, I can't use ADblock or something like no script. I have work chats, some are flash, some are java. I already use 3 browsers so I'm not disabling one of them just to be able to visit a porn site. The main ones I have a problem with are the moving ones. I'm not worried about clicking on them. I will say I almost missed the flight club because I saw the box for it and saw it was blue in color in the upper taskbar. I thought it required a different membership but I did go into it. I can see your point with it but why make users have to earn the right to download a scene? Imagine the way you would be looked at if you said, "You know what, members? You can download all 70 of those right now for no miles." I've been around porn since 2003. I'm not saying that to show my knowledge over yours. I'm saying I've seen many webmasters just like you, that are now working for Mind Geek.
I like that you all have exclusive content. I would rather join a site like yours than a mainstream, cookie-cutter site but you have to be willing to work with what some of your consumers want or you alienate them. I gave your site +35 for the models and believable sex. That's as big of an addition as nearly two of the biggest deductions combined.
Last, you mentioned to I believe Shen or Jook that you all are protecting the models. Why doesn't Trike Patrol? Porn is illegal in the Philippines. I just don't believe your explanation on that. Porn is frowned upon in nearly every country in the world.
To show you what happens when you bring negative attention to someone else, one of your members has already contacted me. Not defending you but telling me, "Jimmy is being a douchebag. Ask him how many of the Conquests are from Date Slam!" I didn't know what Date Slam was but I see it is another of your sites. You sharing "exclusive" content between your sites? Don't turn yourself into Julius Caesar, Jimmy. There's a Brutus around every corner.
Advice to survive in the porn world, when you fall in a hole, jump out. Don't stand there and dig yourself deeper into it.
You're right about your navigation. It is terrible. If I could ever be of any use to you for advice (I won't charge), I would be willing to help you out with figuring out how to reprogram it, make it more user-friendly, post on here or on the Porn Users forum and ask. Believe it or not Jimmy, we do not get any joy from "bashing" a site. Humility is the key. Porn Users could be your best friends. I will give you that about conquests number but if you look back at my comment, I based my number just on your estimation of 2.5 hardcore scenes per week. You know why? I didn't know which were just the sex scenes and which weren't. What then comes up is how many of those are just part 1, part 2, part 3 and so on? I know one of the newer conquests has 5 parts in it. Does that count as 5 or 1?
On the ads, I can't use ADblock or something like no script. I have work chats, some are flash, some are java. I already use 3 browsers so I'm not disabling one of them just to be able to visit a porn site. The main ones I have a problem with are the moving ones. I'm not worried about clicking on them. I will say I almost missed the flight club because I saw the box for it and saw it was blue in color in the upper taskbar. I thought it required a different membership but I did go into it. I can see your point with it but why make users have to earn the right to download a scene? Imagine the way you would be looked at if you said, "You know what, members? You can download all 70 of those right now for no miles." I've been around porn since 2003. I'm not saying that to show my knowledge over yours. I'm saying I've seen many webmasters just like you, that are now working for Mind Geek.
I like that you all have exclusive content. I would rather join a site like yours than a mainstream, cookie-cutter site but you have to be willing to work with what some of your consumers want or you alienate them. I gave your site +35 for the models and believable sex. That's as big of an addition as nearly two of the biggest deductions combined.
Last, you mentioned to I believe Shen or Jook that you all are protecting the models. Why doesn't Trike Patrol? Porn is illegal in the Philippines. I just don't believe your explanation on that. Porn is frowned upon in nearly every country in the world.
To show you what happens when you bring negative attention to someone else, one of your members has already contacted me. Not defending you but telling me, "Jimmy is being a douchebag. Ask him how many of the Conquests are from Date Slam!" I didn't know what Date Slam was but I see it is another of your sites. You sharing "exclusive" content between your sites? Don't turn yourself into Julius Caesar, Jimmy. There's a Brutus around every corner.
Advice to survive in the porn world, when you fall in a hole, jump out. Don't stand there and dig yourself deeper into it.
This might take two replies. If there's one thing I have a problem with everyday, even in real life, it is people that try to impose their self-worth and intellect on others. When I corrected your spelling of laughingstock it wasn't to be grammar nazi. It was to show you brought pettiness into our productive conversation with the insult of "laughing stock". I, in turn, corrected it with pettiness. Logical flow is the single-biggest reason our society fails at conversations. You nearly broke the logical flow with an insult. If you had not said "laughing stock", I couldn't have corrected it. Go ahead and say I did something wrong there. It's like blaming someone for stabbing you after you shot them.
I do appreciate your attempted civility in the explanation of industry/non-industry. You will be able to explain why I scored Girls Out West, one of the least industry sites, one with 100% amateur models, a 97 just two months ago, right? I said "attempted civility" because of this "you are pre-conditioned". Hi Jimmy, meet me, a PhD in Psychology and Philosophy. Pre-conditioned is what you do to leather or a cast iron skillet. The word you're looking for is predisposed. See how nice I am to you? You will be able to look like you really are talking over people's heads now. Back to talking eye to eye on a human level. I graded your site in comparison to Girls Out West not in comparison to Reality Kings of Brazzers. Girls Out West has over 4,000 videos, over 2,000 photo sets. They are all downloadable. The videos are 720p to 1080p and the photos are up to 6000 long end. They update everyday with a full video and their price is $29.95. The advantage your site has is I much prefer your models. I would love to love your site. That's what you are not willing to understand. My biggest problem with your site is in your business philosophy (no downloads, high price, low quality photos, annoying ads). Those are things you can fix. Those are things your members at ASD might very well turn on you over once it's pointed out to them like you did by inviting them here.
Another attempt at pettiness with "The 90s called big pictures and video downloads". Jimmy, in the 90s, most of us were on dial-up, we weren't downloading big pictures and definitely not videos. I remember having DSL in 2003, I believe. Cable in 2005. You're using a diversionary tactic to avoid the reality of 90% of all porn sites, industry/non-industry, allow downloads and aim for the highest quality pictures and videos. It's your choice to give your consumers what you want. It's their choice to criticize you for it and not come back. I would rather your site excels and blows Mind Geek out of the water than to see it fail but you won't believe that because you only seem to listen to you.
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I just want to add a few facts. Facts cannot be argued.
The trophies/model list is 7 models wide by 12 tall. That is 84 models per page, 7 full pages = 588. There are 12 on page 8. So 600.
I compared Trike to ASD based on value. Your numbers above, which I appreciate, says 2.5 hardcore scenes per week so 130 per year, 6 years x 130 is 780. Your numbers also say Trike has 500 plus. I can download 0 from ASD for $40. I can download 500 plus from Trike for $30. We have to stay on the same page to make this work.
I won't defend myself for removing points for non-Asian pornstars being on an amateur Asian site. That sounds like an "industry", "non-industry" dilemma.
And could you explain what you consider industry and non-industry? I have no motives with the one question in this. I am just curious.
Go easy on the insults, Jimmy. Laughingstock is one word.
I almost held off on posting it but I doubt I will go back to the site. I kept running out of characters or I would have explained the Flight Club offer better. I kept having to remove a sentence here and there.
Here is the offer:
"Written Info Article: +400 miles for a well-written article on any particular subject related to hot Asians and porn lifestyle. (min: 4 paragraphs)"
I also noticed two "reviews" by Chevy14 on Freeones which explains why he said he was updating his review here. It's copy and pasted on Freeones. His first review is on Rabbit's Reviews in the comments too. He must have got confused and pasted the 2nd one here.
The newest review very much goes into the porn lifestyle, he talks about John setting out to creampie as many local Asians, more creampies for European Porn Stars and even African women. He also talks about all the countries John visits.
I think the worst part was I originally had it lowered to 10. My main thinking if the webmaster replies to it is he can tell me anything inaccurate in it.
Back in 2010 or so, 21 Sextury brought us the continuing account feature. Hard to believe, it was originally used as a selling point to collectors. If your membership ran out, you could still sign into the members area and see if your favorite models had any new content, unlike most sites where you had to join to see inside the member area.
Back then, if you remember, we didn't have thousands of porn promos. Nowadays, if you go to use a promo with your previous login credentials on a site, it recognizes you as a past member and asks you to login. When you login, the promo is gone and you are offered a "reactivate" price, usually $10 - $15 higher than the promo.
Back in 2010 or so, 21 Sextury brought us the continuing account feature. Hard to believe, it was originally used as a selling point to collectors. If your membership ran out, you could still sign into the members area and see if your favorite models had any new content, unlike most sites where you had to join to see inside the member area.
Back then, if you remember, we didn't have thousands of porn promos. Nowadays, if you go to use a promo with your previous login credentials on a site, it recognizes you as a past member and asks you to login. When you login, the promo is gone and you are offered a "reactivate" price, usually $10 - $15 higher than the promo.
I had very little luck with using the Roku to watch porn. The best, if I remember right, was Videobox and even it was clunky. I don't know for sure but at one time, Videobox had a 6 month or 12 month discounted membership with a free Roku, so they were definitely invested in it at one time. I think that was 4-5 years ago.
The saddest part about your responses is it shows how shallow webmasters can be. You look at the score and it dictates whether you are happy or not. You don't realize that 99 from two weeks ago hurts your site. No one believes a site with 4 pros and 3 cons is a 99.
It's sad because you are downplaying the incredibly thorough review mbaya gave your site. It shows you as being a little self-centered. You don't think other people will look beyond the score since you don't? Maybe some people aren't bothered by no downloads and could add some points back for the 20 point deduction. He posted an explanation for every deduction and addition. He could have buried your site but instead he gave it a 70 and left it open for others to decide what matters to them and what doesn't.
He did it for free on his own time. And your response is to come here and belittle him and his review? I know you advertise Rabbit's 89 review of your site and say you are the highest rated Asian site but you know what? When I saw "no downloads" Rabbit's 89 dropped to a 69, in my eyes. See why the number doesn't matter as much as you think?
This sums up the confusion better than anything. I looked back and found my welcome email to Lewood. The title of the email is, "Your Login Info to LeWood.com". The first line inside the email is "Thank you for joining EvilAngelNetwork!"
I still think Gamma is seriously pushing their luck with all of this. It is almost identical to when 21 Sextury started their network push in 2009-2010.
The bad part for me is I have a year membership to Fantasy Massage network it has Adult Time with it. I do not have Evil Angel or LeWood with that Adult Time access. I really think they should have stuck to waiting until they were ready to offer a set amount of sites and made it clear what you were getting. I have now paid for 3 sites that I have had access to from various Adult Time accesses: Burning Angel $17.95, LeWood $14.95, Evil Angel $9.95.
This sums up the confusion better than anything. I looked back and found my welcome email to Lewood. The title of the email is, "Your Login Info to LeWood.com". The first line inside the email is "Thank you for joining EvilAngelNetwork!"
I still think Gamma is seriously pushing their luck with all of this. It is almost identical to when 21 Sextury started their network push in 2009-2010.
The bad part for me is I have a year membership to Fantasy Massage network it has Adult Time with it. I do not have Evil Angel or LeWood with that Adult Time access. I really think they should have stuck to waiting until they were ready to offer a set amount of sites and made it clear what you were getting. I have now paid for 3 sites that I have had access to from various Adult Time accesses: Burning Angel $17.95, LeWood $14.95, Evil Angel $9.95.
The edit time limit caused me not to be able to edit.
The old workaround still works, I just tried it. Sign up like regular. When you enter your information make sure to miss the CVV Code and the expiration date. It will say your bank rejected the purchase and ask if you want to use a secondary biller. It is currently Epoch or Paypal through Epoch. That makes it a lot easier to fix if you run into problems.
Canceling is still tricky but their customer service told me it is just bad programming. If you go into your account within the members area you will see what Bang Bros packages you are registered for. If you just joined Bang Bros with no add-ons, it will be the only one listed but if you joined any add-ons those will be listed too. You have to cancel each one. They have a button on each to cancel so it's not too difficult. This was supposed to be a way for a member to retain their access to say an add-on package without having to pay for the main site and any other add-on packages.
I don't have any problems with them but I do use a prepaid card. Their customer service will respond at times. They are the ones that told me to use a prepaid card. You can get the cards online for a $5 fee from giftcards(dot com). If you find a promo under $10, the added $5 isn't too bad and unlike some sites, their billing processes prepaid cards. There are some sites that reject prepaid cards, especially those using CCBill.
You can also use any prepaid/gift Visa/Mastercards you have. I only know about those from having a credit card that rewards members with points that can be traded in for a "Debit" card. I pick up about $100 a year in rewards on it and use that for sites that are questionable in their billing practices.
Thanks Loki, I have always liked the ATK sites, they were one of the first sites (Galleria) I remember joining, along with Karups PC. I did not realize how frustrating it was going to be bouncing from site to site. I wanted to bang my head on the monitor. I'm sure I missed content too.
Also can understand and agree about the natural and hairy site. On that part, I don't mind the pubic hair, I prefer it over clean shaven. I just don't care for the hairy underarms and legs. Even ATK Exotics has some models with the very hairy underarms. I can't say I have ever known a woman in real life that has hairy underarms or legs.
And from now on, I will go back to joining one ATK site at a time. That is just too much content.
Normally, I wouldn't join a site or network for $50. There's another that I keep almost joining, Killer Gram, it's a British site, they keep going up on their price. I think it was $39 last time I checked and Abby Winters is the other, also nearing $40 a month but because I was going to join ATK Exotics and ATK Petites, I didn't see the one-time join of the network as too much for one month. I definitely feel different about that now. I hope we're not heading towards high quality, unique sites jacking their prices up. Just checked and Killer Gram is down to $24.99 a month. I'm glad I mentioned that or I would have forgotten to check it.
I find the hair part unusual. I think everyone knows my favorite model is Eve Angel. She was never fully shaven and always had some hair.
I had to check your join date since there is a chance you didn't know this part. Back before 2011, a member could get a raffle ticket by placing 5 user trust votes per week. If they had badges they would also get a ticket for each of those. Some members were getting 11 tickets per week just for posting 5 user trust votes. It caused a lot of randomness. Back then, it never felt like those were being handed out for any other reason other than raffle tickets. There would be members with 0 reviews that had 20+ trust votes. It was one of the negatives in the old raffle system. It was built to create a community and interaction between members. A person could also get tickets for 5 replies. That too led to a lot of silly randomness like replies to a review that said, "Love this site!" I thought it was interesting that I checked your trust votes since you only have 5. I noticed your first one was from an anonymous member. I logged in and saw the "edit your vote" button. Meaning anonymous was me. It now shows my vote as your newest. I guess where I added a comment to it.
Sometimes the teen models just look too young for my taste. The ones in their 20s usually have gained a little weight and filled out more. My favorite models are usually in the 24-35 range but there are exceptions both ways. A trend that I admit I don't like and this is in regular life too. The women that are coloring their hair gray/silver. I see it a lot around the colleges in this area. I saw one the other day that had her hair full-on silver. She was walking in front of us and I thought, "Man, that old woman has a nice body." She turned around and looked to be about 20.
I have tried to go back and change any of my anonymous "yes" votes to show my name. I used those back in the early days of PU because I would notice if I gave someone a yes vote they would give me one. I didn't want members "trusting" me just because I gave them a yes vote.
As for no votes, I haven't to my knowledge, given a "no" anonymous vote.
A few things to note when reading a TBP review:
Under "dates" on the top right of the review you will see "date listed", "facts updated (with date)".
The last time the facts were updated was 5-16-2018 on Babes Network.
It's one of the dilemmas with reading reviews. As you can see, the date the facts were updated was right around the time you're seeing problems with their updating. With the amount of sites that are reviewed and updated there will always be a chance of running into the problem you're running into. Sites change how they update, sometimes overnight, without telling anyone.
If you will look in the Porn Users reviews on the Babes Network, you'll see that there are newer reviews than TBP has. It's one of the strengths of Porn Users, owned by TBP, members post reviews with newer information than TBP has.
If you'll notice, the newest Babes Network review by a Porn User was on 12-18-18, and that member only scored the network a 70.
This is coming from a member of PU, not a staff member. Porn Users often times has the newest information on a site. You should consider writing a review (on Porn Users) on Babes Network it will at least help someone avoid the problems you had. And trust me, we've all been there and I think it's how most of us ended up here on Porn Users.
I had wondered if the X would throw anyone off since for example, FTV has FTV X and that's male/female hardcore sex.
Met-Art's "hardcore" site is Sex Art. It's not going to make you think of Evil Angel or Burning Angel but it does a good job of presenting the beautiful Met-Art models in hardcore sex.
Met-Art X is more like DDF's One By Day site used to be and how 21 Sextury's Club Sandy and Pix and Video were.
I had been a member 2-3 times before but never had access to All Fine Girls, so I was happy to see it included. I think something must have changed at Wow since the price was also a few dollars lower than listed on PU. I enjoy their content as much as I do any of the teen sites.
The Spectrum part has been a huge deal in this area. Brighthouse, our electric company, partially owned and funded by the state, was approved to offer cable, internet and home phone services to all of its electricity customers. The negative backlash against it involves low-income families that receive reduced electricity bills being able to get near free cable and internet. I personally am not bothered by that. I think if those of us that can afford it can help those who can't afford it, have it and have a little enjoyment/entertainment in their life, I'm all for it.
It still pushed Spectrum to make changes to compete. No one even knew we have Spectrum Gig in this area. It's their first move to compete with Brighthouse. Throughout my life, I have had a provider that eventually became Spectrum (Time Warner and Charter) so they're suddenly wanting to talk about something you talk about, brand loyalty.
There was one catch to my new offer ... I had to switch my mobile service to Spectrum. Spectrum Mobile is on Verizon and that's who I have anyway, we have 5 lines. Spectrum dropped my price on mobile from $238 a month to $125. They upgraded our cable to the gold package with 3 DVRs for $89 a month and upgraded the internet to Spectrum Gig for $79 a month with a new 3.1 modem. I also let them leave the home phone on it for $19 a month which activated a bundle promo of $50 off per month for having 4 services with them.
My Verizon and Spectrum bills in December were a combined $418, this month with all the services on one bill, it's $274. They're also back to doing the no-contract ... contract, where the customer can cancel at anytime without fees but they have to guarantee your price for 12, 24 or 36 months.
I'm finally getting full speed with the Spectrum Gig. It must have taken the modem some time to fully register my connection.
While not a true "search" where you type in a keyword or tag, if you click on "model directory", it will open the model list. The "tags" are listed above each model: Nu! (public nudity), 1st (first time in porn), etc...
They don't look clickable but they are. If you click any of the tags it will take you to all of the models that have that specific tag, in order from newest to oldest.
I'll throw in here that I have Adult Time access through Fantasy Massage. I also have it through Pure Taboo. Like the others, I just logged in one day and had the access.
Thought this was kind of funny, just saw a set on In The Crack called, "Rear Admiral" lol.
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