Thanks for the reply, exotics. I did think Oye Loca looked quite good. It's sometimes hard to tell from a few snapshots what a site is really like, but that is why PU is so useful. Think I'll make a small investment in this one, it sounds like the sort of site I'd like. There don't have to be gigabytes of material, just enough quality material to make it worthwhile. Thanks for the heads up. Good to see you around again.
Think I'll try out Team Skeet myself. Wouldn't touch some of the others because of their tricks department, but you are well known for your discerning taste - so Team Skeet will be my next port of call.
A gorgeous babe, Victoria Pink, set up a site back in 2007 or 2008 with some pix and videos. She's got perfect boobs and the content is good, albeit very limited, however the site has been dormant for years. At $15, it was worth it for the two or three days it takes to drain the site.
But it takes a real set of gonads to bump the price to $20 when all they sell is a bit of bandwidth.
Hey, thanks for that, exotics. With Spot Zoom feature do you mean the ability to stretch or contract the picture through the numbers pad? I never gave it a name! I just know it comes in handy with some of the distorted DVD scenes one gets occasionally on VideoBox :-)
I've also never been asked if I wanted to download an update. Must have a look at my settings.
Talking about full controls on VLC. For a while I had my settings so that the full controls showed in the window as well as in full picture.
But one of their updates ruined that for me. I no longer get all the controls in full window .. I've looked high and low but can't find a way to give me back my previous settings! :-(
I agree with Exotics4me,
I never really knew what cream pies either lol.
Until a year ago and I nearly lost my lunch.
Not a prude, but come on really, its takes that to get a boner ?
No thanks, I stick with tittys and ass thank you very much.
I think exotics4me made an interesting post. In spite of studies that supposedly show that women masturbate less often than men, the studies could be flawed because for whatever reason, the women's responses might have been wrong.
I guess I've been lucky with what I've bought, or maybe it's when I've bought. I just know I haven't seen a FAT32 drive in ages - and happily so. As far as the WD drives go, I couldn't tell you what they have - they're still poison to me. But, I have to admit, with some of the prices I've seen on the WD's, they're getting more and more tempting.
That explains, at least in part, the pricing of the IOmega special deals; they're dumping the old guys.
Saw a 2 Tb (no-name) on sale today for $188.00. I remember in 2006 a good price was determined by it being under $1.00 per Gb. Now it's under $0.10 per Gb.
The solid state drives that haven't really been a big deal yet, will likely replace the current drives and, when an SSD price comes down more, it will probably bring the price of the current hardware down a whole lot more before they become dinosaurs.
That almost has to be the case. I haven't seen an external formatted to FAT32 in ages. I know some drives were shipped without being formatted so Mac users could format to HFS but, other than that, it's been NTFS for quite a few years now.
In regards to VideoBox, considering it was their mistake and not yours I don't feel they have much of a right to be upset with your or any of the other customers, even former ones. If they said thanks then it doesn't sound too bad, but I would have no problem e-mailing them back promising to never join their site again (and if it was VB I wouldn't consider that a loss).
Lets be realistic here: who's more dishonest, the companies who we trust not to rip us off, or we the customers who have been ripped off at least once? I will admit I have logged in to sites after a subscription has ended, but it has only worked for a few hours (which may just be a time zone discrepancy), and not exactly a major revenue loss for the sites.
I picked the first choice, even though I disagree with the 'karma' part as I am not one for beliefs, especially in regards to personal fate. Still, it always feels nice to add a little more to the collection. :)
I keep a catching glove outside so my girlfriend can catch my hard drives as I heroically save them. I wonder if any house insurance policies would be willing to cover a porn collection? The problem is that my computers could be the source of a fire, in which case saving them might prove to be difficult. I have had a power supply burn up right in front of me while I was using that computer. It did not catch fire but it smoked a lot and sizzled. My house burning down would really suck because I have amassed so much stuff that I would really hate to loose. I have always felt bad for those who have dealt with a house fire.
As we've now been drawn into this "discussion", I feel compelled to say (for the record) that we (PU Mgm't) see absolutely no indication that asmith12 is associated with kink.com
Now, as I've mentioned to both of you privately, I feel it's time for you guys to wrap this "discussion" up ... it's starting to turn into a discussion about the discussion and personal differences rather than a discussion dealing with real issues related to the poll question.
Perhaps you can just agree to disagree and move forward from here.
Make no mistake, we appreciate the adult manner with which you've both conducted your debate thus far but, at this stage, have to wonder if continuing the debate can really have any productive results. So, neither of you has to lose face by quitting the debate ... just consider it doing me a favor.
> Of course, the link doesn't work
As of now, it still works (if you removed all the spaces manually as I've asked); alternatively, there is an alias (I hope it won't be corrupted by forum software as it happened with the original one): http://tinyurl.com/mhenlz
> An apology to you? For what? The "allegation" wasn't against you.
You have alleged that "main page for Ultimate Submission changed the wording over the last 24 hours" because of your referring to "brutal leg scissors" in your reply to me, implying that I'm affiliated with kink.com. As you have already admitted above, this allegation was ungrounded; I'm still sure it requires an apology to me PERSONALLY for alleged affiliation, which is a very serious allegation for PU member. If you think otherwise - it's up to you, I don't care much, and will just hope that the rest of PU users will make their own conclusions about members who are making serious false allegations and not apologize afterwards.
As for your allegations (or whatever else) about kink.com - this is another story, and I don't care at all (I think you're wrong about it, but this is ok to have different opinions, the concept which you don't seem to embrace, resorting to personal attacks and allegations instead of discussing the subject).
> As for where it was changed, you probably need to clear your cookies
> to get the Click yes if over 18 to enter. The changed part is in the
> last paragraph, "Female wrestling holds on UltimateSurrender.com
> include severe leg scissors, head scissors, boston crab, back
> breaker, full nelson, grapevine and more. Enjoy women in bondage
> photos, movies, streaming video, and shoots you can buy at
> UltimateSurrender.com!"
Very good, exactly as I've suspected. I don't think we can argue on ANY other issue until we clear out this allegation of yours. I would like to ask you (and everybody else for this matter) to take a look at the page http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:8LJi...esurrender.com/+site:ultimatesurrender.com+%22severe+leg+scissors%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
It is Google cache page for the page in question, and it clearly says TWO THINGS: 1. "It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Aug 13, 2009 00:11:47 GMT" (which was BEFORE this poll has even started, leave alone my comments on it). 2. "Female wrestling holds on UltimateSurrender.com include severe leg scissors, head scissors, boston crab, back breaker, full nelson, grapevine and more. Enjoy women in bondage photos, movies, streaming video, and shoots you can buy at UltimateSurrender.com! " - note "SEVERE leg scissors" there, and according to Google it has been there AT LEAST FOR A WEEK NOW!
Given this (unless you'll accuse me that my name is indeed Sergey Brin or Eric Schmidt and I've changed Google cache recently), it seems to me that you owe me some kind of apology. As soon as you admit it and apologize, we can continue our discussion.
> and in it, I mentioned that you sounded like you were part of the
> kink.com family. The way you defend them and so on.
Really? I don't remember, though I didn't really care then and I don't really care now. FWIW, I'm not affiliated with kink.com in any way (except for being their loyal customer for ages).
> So, tell me, why is it that their main page for Ultimate Submission
> changed the wording over the last 24 hours? It changed from "Brutal
> leg-scissors" to "Severe leg-scissors".
No idea (though I agree it should look rather suspicious to you). If it has indeed happened (I didn't check their home page for years) it probably means that they've read this discussion (it's public, you know).
> Their site clearly says, "The rules are set. There are three tags
> per team per round and three 12 minute non-scripted wrestling
> rounds."
Ok, so sue them :-). Personally I don't see any conflict between what they're saying and what they're providing. If you do - ok, it's your right to disagree or sue them, or setup a poll at PU to ask the others about their feeling about it.
> IF ultimate submission is not scripted, they would be in jail. In
> the world of REAL wrestling, if one wrestler popped a finger in the
> other wrestler's ass, that would be molestation/sexual assault.
Depends on your definition of REAL wrestling, but for "unscripted" wrestling I don't see why it should be illegal by default, IF THE MODELS SIGNED AGREEMENTS WHICH EXPLICITLY ALLOW THEIR OPPONENT TO DO IT. Last time I've checked, US (and especially California) has been rather supportive of the idea of consenting adults being able to enter in a rather wide range of contracts; still, if you feel they're violating the law, please feel free to sue them (especially as you've said that you're browsing adult sites with some kind of government money - didn't you)?
> these moves are not done with the intention of hurting each other
I think yes.
> or winning the match, then it is scripted.
I hope no. Why you're making "hurting each other" a synonym of "winning the match"? Sport is indeed possible without hurting each other (at least hurting too much), isn't it? Then why are you so sure that it's impossible to create a set of rules which will allow for unscripted wrestling with elements of sex but not hurting each other? I tend to believe kink.com that it's indeed unscripted (though obviously their rules are VERY different from any other set of wrestling rules); could be that I'm too willing to believe it, but at this point I don't see reasons why it should inevitably be scripted (BTW, "real" professional wrestling like WWE looks and most likely is, MUCH more scripted, then UltimateSurrender, that's for sure).
> porn is a perceived fantasy
Right, but only "by default", until explicitly told otherwise. And BTW, majority here on PU (2:1 if excluding "Other" votes) is on my side about this whole "teen models" issue, which (as I've shown in one of posts above) does matter.
> When anyone who has surfed porn for
> even a relatively short time goes to a site, say like, Teen Dreams,
> they know there are models that are not 18 and 19.
Right. But IF the site says "we're using only teen models on our site", or "we're using only gay models on our site", it becomes verifiable and objective statement. "Mature" on the other hand is still subjective. Why? I don't know and don't care.
> Your monitor example did nothing but strengthen what I said. They
> said their monitors were 17 inches, but the viewable area was only
> 15.8 inches. That is specific.
Exactly. And that's exactly why they've got beaten pretty hard for doing it.
> The definitions I used were relevant in the discussion, as it
> showed that the word Teen does have definitions in different
> languages that mean a time of life.
There is no way how German translation can affect an ad in English, but I won't argue with you on it anymore, because I hope that it's already very obvious to anybody else, and persuading you is obviously impossible.
> You really believe "brutal" means hot and innovative?
Nope, and I've never said it. It is as subjective as those two, that's it.
> Honestly, I have no idea what the first half of your post is saying.
It basically says that reference to "how the word 'teen' is translated into German" is completely irrelevant to the question of honesty in advertising, see also below.
> I felt like I used the correct contextual definitions
Once again: if the word you've mentioned for German, is not STRICTLY EQUIVALENT to "teen models" within the adult site context, it's not a correct translation of "teen" (by definition of correct translation) and therefore is irrelevant. If it IS strictly equivalent, then I don't see any potential point which applies to "teen models" discussion (therefore, I see it as irrelevant too).
> I said if the sites got together and defined teen as 18-19 year old
> models, there would be a possibility of fraud. As it stands now,
> there is no clear definition of "teen" model.
Here you have a point, BUT here such a thing as user perception and expectation comes into play. Do you remember the case with advertised size of CRT monitors (which if I remember correctly ended up with penalties AND requirement to show monitor viewable size to the end-users)? It happened because when end-user have seen ad with "17"-monitor", he was reasonably expecting 17" of VIEWABLE area. The very same logic IMHO applies to "teen models".
> They advertise brutal leg scissors.
"Brutal" in my books is in the same league as words like "hot", "innovative", "attractive", "industry leader" and so on and so on; it's a very standard ad practice to use words which are essentially unverifiable subjective claims (with key words being UNVERIFIABLE and SUBJECTIVE, therefore it's up to ad writer if he thinks it's indeed "attractive", "industry leader", or "brutal"). It is BTW is VERY different from saying "award-winning" (which can be verified and therefore requires to be substantiated to be honest; which award it was is another story, but SOME award is indeed necessary to qualify as honest).
> They also advertise "unscripted" then say "3 tags per round" in the > tag team matches. That's scripted!
Nope. Per their rules, 3 tags per round are only ALLOWED for each of competing teams to be exercised (and they USUALLY happen, as they're very beneficial for the team), but are not required. Therefore, I don't see any false advertisement here either.
Overall, the only potential argument I see about "teen models", is if "teen models" claim is in the same league that '17"-monitor' and "award-winning" (opposed to "hot" and "innovative"). IMHO "teen models" is a verifiable and non-subjective claim, therefore I interpret deviating from this claim as false advertisement.
I thought I was reading a James Bond parody when I read your reply of brutal leg scissors, the dreaded nipple twister, the pussy grind aided face sit and the 3 finger jammer-slammer.
Would even James Bond be able to stand up to female opponents using these dreaded techniques?
> For example, the German word for teen is "jugendlich",
Assuming that your further interpretation of this word is correct, it means that it is NOT a correct translation for "teen" in this context, as correct translation by definition is the one which preserves meaning, and this word doesn't. "Teen models" in English-speaking adult-only world means exactly as you've said, "18 and 19 year old models", and it is a job of translator to provide the same meaning when translating it into other languages (even if it will mean translating short English "Teen" into several words in German).
"Of course you aren't going to argue my 2nd post, you would prefer [i]playing flame wars like we were in the 5th grade."
I did not argue your second post 'cause I am not interested in flame wars. The guy who yacks on for 30 lines complains that the dude who type in all of 100 words is out to breach the peace.
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