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02-04-18  12:17pm - 2513 days Original Post - #1
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Advice needed re new computer

I currently have an HP desktop that I use daily. While I also have a Surface and an iPad I really do prefer the desktop for most things. It’s also the computer I use to download and organize my porn collection.

I’m not really having a problem with it, but it is getting pretty old and slow. When it was relatively new I had a problem with it that would have required boxing it up and sending it away for a repair. I opted to take it to a local shop and while they couldn’t explain why, one stick of RAM was causing a problem so they just removed it. The downside to that is that I went from 8GB of RAM to just 6.

The computer originally shipped with Windows 8 but I’ve since upgraded to 10. The problem with that is that when the computer is running updates or Windows Defender is running a scan the PC becomes pretty much unusable for anything else.

Also, I use Internet Download Manager which seems to be a big drain on the computer. When the downloaded file is being transferred to an external drive that can sometimes take longer than the download itself and the computer is pretty much unusable while the transfer is going on.

Since the computer is probably at least six years old I’m wondering if I should spend the money on some upgrades (more RAM maybe?) or just buy a new desktop. Can anyone offer any advice on this?

If I do go the route of buying a new desktop (I’ll stick with a desktop) does anyone have any advice on what I should look for? I don’t need a gaming powerhouse since all I use the computer for, besides downloading and watching porn, is surfing the ‘net, reading online newspapers and watching YouTube videos.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

I should also add that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks so Apple is out. I’ll stick with what I know.

Thanks!

02-04-18  01:25pm - 2513 days #2
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02-04-18  02:33pm - 2513 days #3
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PC prices have dropped so much years ago, that you can buy fantastic machines for less than $1,000.
You can buy nice machines for $500 or less.
So unless you are on a very tight budget, I would suggest buying a new machine.

And the payoff would be a much improved frame of mind, because the annoying problems you currently have would basically disappear.

Is it worth $500 or $1,000 for a new machine?
Yes, unless you are on a really tight budget.

Or you could save up your raffle winnings, and use them to buy your new PC from Amazon, unless you can find a better deal elsewhere.

On second thought, buy a new PC now, and feel the pleasure it can give you.
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02-04-18  03:18pm - 2513 days #4
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Learn new tricks. I felt the same as you 10+ years ago. However, the switch to Mac was mostly seamless and I never looked back. You can run windows on a Mac, but most who do so only do it to run proprietary programs.

02-04-18  05:40pm - 2513 days #5
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


My advice is buy a new PC. Don't upgrade a 6 year old machine.

To be honest, almost anything you bought would be fine. I don't think it's possible to buy a current PC of any kind that would not excel at web browsing and 2D video playback.

I usually buy a case and the parts I want from Newegg/Amazon and just put it together myself. It's not difficult, you just need to be able to operate a Philips screw driver

But if you want something pre-made... again, it almost doesn't matter what you choose. But if you want I'd be happy to look over any potential choices for you.


Thanks for the offer. I'll likely take you up on that. I'll check some sites for pre-made PCs with some customization and get back to you.

02-04-18  05:42pm - 2513 days #6
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


PC prices have dropped so much years ago, that you can buy fantastic machines for less than $1,000.
You can buy nice machines for $500 or less.
So unless you are on a very tight budget, I would suggest buying a new machine.

And the payoff would be a much improved frame of mind, because the annoying problems you currently have would basically disappear.

Is it worth $500 or $1,000 for a new machine?
Yes, unless you are on a really tight budget.

Or you could save up your raffle winnings, and use them to buy your new PC from Amazon, unless you can find a better deal elsewhere.

On second thought, buy a new PC now, and feel the pleasure it can give you.
Life is meant to be enjoyed.


Thanks for replying. I never thought of Amazon as a possibility. And I do have some raffle winnings on account there so that would reduce the cost. The budget isn't unlimited, but I also want a machine that won't be outdated in a month.

02-04-18  05:43pm - 2513 days #7
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Originally Posted by jook:


Learn new tricks. I felt the same as you 10+ years ago. However, the switch to Mac was mostly seamless and I never looked back. You can run windows on a Mac, but most who do so only do it to run proprietary programs.


You aren't the first person to say that and won't be the last! Oddly, 25 years ago I'd have no concerns about diving in and learning something new. But I guess the unwillingness to branch out comes with age...

02-04-18  05:47pm - 2513 days #8
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Hmmm... This might do the trick... It's not that expensive...

https://www.costco.ca/Alienware-Area-51-...oduct.100392179.html

02-04-18  06:04pm - 2513 days #9
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All joking aside, would something like this be in the ballpark?

https://www.costco.ca/Dell-Inspiron-3668...oduct.100392221.html

02-04-18  06:16pm - 2513 days #10
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02-04-18  08:34pm - 2512 days #11
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RA, I'm a lot like you. I tried switching to a laptop but hooked it up to my monitor and added a wireless keyboard and mouse which made it pretty much a desktop. I also tried Apple, I have an iPhone and like it but can't say I liked the Mac near as much as my PC.

When I last upgraded my PC, I was in a similar position as you. Everything was dragging on my old PC. I am a gamer but I play most video games on my Xbox One. However, I decided to go with what is considered a gamer PC. The website I used is http://cyberpowerpc.com

Nearly all their pre-made systems can be configured. My PC is now 3 years old and it's hard to believe but it's still ahead of the newest graphic-intensive games. It cost me $1,199 and had zero bloatware on it. I had little basic things added like an extra fan, the sealing liquid to close up spaces, a larger power unit as I've noticed one of the problems my old PCs had was the power unit was unable to hold up for a long period time which caused the components to slow down. Mine has an Intel i7-4790 overclocked processor, Geforce 980GTX gpu and 16 GB of RAM. Also has a 1TB SSHD in it that seems to have relieved the usual stress a system has when running multiple programs.

A few things I'll mention because I nearly forgot about them when I bought mine. Check for USB ports. The one I have has 3 on the front, all 3 are 3.0 and four 3.0 on the back. I really thought I was paying too much since it didn't come with a monitor and was roughly $1,200 but I haven't had a single problem with it. I use it or have it turned on 16-18 hours a day. One other advantage to using this company is they have major promo sales. Mine had a $500 promo on it and free shipping plus free return shipping if anything wasn't right or if I wanted to return it. Last, they're very helpful if you're not for sure about what some of the things do. They helped me with several things and all but customized mine to fit my needs.

Oh, one downside if there is one, my PC looks like it has lava coming out of the front. It's one of those fancy cases with the backlit cutouts. It's only a problem if I need to leave the PC on while sleeping. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

02-04-18  09:55pm - 2512 days #12
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RA, if you get a new PC, get a new monitor as well.
You can nice monitors for $100+, and it really improves the photos and videos you watch over an older monitor.

02-05-18  03:29am - 2512 days #13
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Hi rearadmiral,

I have a desktop PC, a laptop, a tablet and a smartphone and still I prefer to work on my desktop PC.

I work in ICT since mid 90's and I'm frequently asked for buying and upgrading advice by family, friends and acquaintances.

The first two questions I usually ask is : "What is your budget and for which purposes do you need a PC"?

I guess you are using your desktop PC primarily for general internet use (surfing, E-Mail, downloads,..) and doing some administration (Word, Excel,...)?

Your current HP PC is 6 years old which is of course in ICT terms old and outdated. Now "outdated" is actually a bad choice of words. Hardware these days is released so quickly that when you buy something a few months later a newer version or model is available for less money and with more bells and whistles.

The crucial hardware that determines the performance of a PC are : the CPU (Processor), the RAM (internal memory), the hard disk and what most people maybe don't know the video card.

A brands like HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc.,.. are often limited in what you can upgrade regarding hardware. Besides in a lot of cases you need to buy their hardware or it might not be compatible.

The question you'll need to ask yourself is what can I upgrade on my current system and is it worth the money?

Considering a new desktop PC there are a few options.

Buying again an A brand PC. They are usually sold as a complete system. They usually sell a number of preconfigured systems which can be changed to a certain extent (hard drive, memory, monitor, etc.,...).

Most PC shops also offer a number of configurations usually categorized as budget, mainstream, gaming and high end configs. I guess that you can alter configs for an additional price.

Build to order. In this case you can assemble your own PC based on components of your own choice. This requires of course some knowledge of PC hardware and brands. This is what I usually do.

I have no clue which storage you are using? Do you save your downloads on one or more local HDD's? Do you have an internal RAID system? Do you use one or more external HDD's? Do you have a NAS or SAN system?

I use an SSD as primary HDD. SSD's are much faster than conventional HDD's. On this SSD I only install the operating system, drivers, tools (7 zip, Ccleaner, etc.,..) and my anti-virus application.

Other applications I use and data is saved on additional conventional internal or external HDD's.

Be careful for overkill. Sales reps are trained to sell you something with a lot of bells and whistles but often a lot of things you don't need and which only blows the price tag up.

32, 64 and 128 GB of RAM sound very nice and useful but the price tag is also nice and do you really need it? If you are not using super RAM eating applications than I would recommend you not to buy more than 16 GB or RAM.

You don't play high end games but a decent video card and a good monitor is not an unnecessary luxury.

I'm European which means that I'm not an expert on USA or Canadian based IT webshops.

A site I really recommend as IT hardware resource is Tom's Hardware. http://www.tomshardware.com/. This site contains lots of information, advice, hardware tests, price comparison, etc.,...

Good luck!

02-05-18  03:55am - 2512 days #14
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Hi,

My view is get a new machine.

I started upgrades on a 6 year old machine and thought I was being quite clever and getting a better machine for not a lot more cash. If I was an expert at it then it might have gone a bit better. But by the time you sort out RAM, then a new screen card thing to cope with Windows 10 was needed, then this that and the other. Well there you go.

Mine was a pretty decent machine when I got it but after finding one issue after another with my upgrade project in end I spent £300 (down from £450 as it was about to be superceded) and got a new desk top base unit. I kept the existing screen. By the time I made this decision I had spent about £150 on the old machine. Technically what I bought is a bit lower down the price point than my last one was at the time, but it still performs better than the old one plus upgrades. As it happens I wasn't really out of pocket as if I had decided to replace the machine at the outset it would have been 6 months earlier I would have probably bought the same machine at its peak price of £450 anyway ! But it was a valuable lesson that DIYing on upgrades doesn't work for me. Tweaks on previous machines have always been pretty disappointing in the long run as well.

You could pay someone that knows what they are doing and avoid some of the basic mistakes I made but then you have got their cost on top.

When I bought it, £300 was relatively not a huge amount compared to what else was on offer from the chain store. I do not need the best machine. I just use for internet and a bit of word processing and scanning of mags to digital but not at expert level.

T. Edited on Feb 05, 2018, 04:12am

02-05-18  09:36am - 2512 days #15
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I have an all in one PC where I can touch the screen like a pad device if I want to. There is no tower to deal as the DVD is on the side. The brand I have is Lenovo (formerly IBM) and it cost around $500.

The newer computers are great to deal with as they take up less space these days. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016)

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02-05-18  01:22pm - 2512 days #16
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


Yes, but not a great price. This is essentially the same but better priced, and a larger drive.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Desktop-i5-7...rds=desktop+computer


Oops... I should have mentioned that I'm in Canada so prices will tend to be between 20 and 30 percent higher than what you'd expect to see in the US. I considered Amazon.com as well but most merchants won't ship to Canada so that leaves me having it shipped to a border town and picking it up myself. I did look at Amazon.ca but most of the stuff there is certified refurbished and had specs not much better than I have now.

02-05-18  01:23pm - 2512 days #17
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


RA, if you get a new PC, get a new monitor as well.
You can nice monitors for $100+, and it really improves the photos and videos you watch over an older monitor.


I likely will. Thanks for the tip!

02-05-18  01:27pm - 2512 days #18
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Originally Posted by Thomas20:


Hi,

My view is get a new machine.

I started upgrades on a 6 year old machine and thought I was being quite clever and getting a better machine for not a lot more cash. If I was an expert at it then it might have gone a bit better. But by the time you sort out RAM, then a new screen card thing to cope with Windows 10 was needed, then this that and the other. Well there you go.

Mine was a pretty decent machine when I got it but after finding one issue after another with my upgrade project in end I spent £300 (down from £450 as it was about to be superceded) and got a new desk top base unit. I kept the existing screen. By the time I made this decision I had spent about £150 on the old machine. Technically what I bought is a bit lower down the price point than my last one was at the time, but it still performs better than the old one plus upgrades. As it happens I wasn't really out of pocket as if I had decided to replace the machine at the outset it would have been 6 months earlier I would have probably bought the same machine at its peak price of £450 anyway ! But it was a valuable lesson that DIYing on upgrades doesn't work for me. Tweaks on previous machines have always been pretty disappointing in the long run as well.

You could pay someone that knows what they are doing and avoid some of the basic mistakes I made but then you have got their cost on top.

When I bought it, £300 was relatively not a huge amount compared to what else was on offer from the chain store. I do not need the best machine. I just use for internet and a bit of word processing and scanning of mags to digital but not at expert level.

T.


Thanks for the advice. I've pretty much settled on new since the components, like the power supply, that won't be upgraded will still be 6 years old and more prone to failure. I'll start fresh...

02-05-18  01:29pm - 2512 days #19
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Originally Posted by merc77:


I have an all in one PC where I can touch the screen like a pad device if I want to. There is no tower to deal as the DVD is on the side. The brand I have is Lenovo (formerly IBM) and it cost around $500.

The newer computers are great to deal with as they take up less space these days.


I intended to ask about this as well since all-in-one is becoming more common. I don't think I need a touch screen but these do seem like a viable option. I'd need it for some basic applications like Word and Excel and the downloading porn, but I assume none of that would overtax an all-in-one.

02-05-18  02:41pm - 2512 days #20
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Hi Otrivine. Thanks for the detailed response. I can't directly quote you as I did with others because I want to slot the answers in with the specific questions.

I hope this works...


I have a desktop PC, a laptop, a tablet and a smartphone and still I prefer to work on my desktop PC.

I see were both the same age. No need to justify the PC preference to me!

The first two questions I usually ask is : "What is your budget and for which purposes do you need a PC"?

I should point out that I'm in Canada so prices here will be between 20 and 30 percent higher than you are used to seeing. I wouldn't be opposed to spending $1500 CDN for the right specs, but it appears that I can do well for right around $1000.

I guess you are using your desktop PC primarily for general internet use (surfing, E-Mail, downloads,..) and doing some administration (Word, Excel,...)?

100% correct. I don't knowingly have any big resource hogs. Windows 10 does seem to tax my system a bit, as does Windows Defender. The only other software that causes pretty much a complete inability to multitask is when Internet Download Manager is transferring a file from its temporary location to where I've assigned it to go.

The crucial hardware that determines the performance of a PC are : the CPU (Processor), the RAM (internal memory), the hard disk and what most people maybe don't know the video card.

I (mostly) understand the need for a good CPU and a decent amount of RAM, but I hadn't given much thought to the video card. Up until a few years ago I used MS Flight Simulator a lot and each new version required a major hardware upgrade. Back then I understood the need for a good video card. But with the current PC I think it just has video on the motherboard. I assumed that this was sufficient for what I do so I'll appreciate any advice on that.

A brands like HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc.,.. are often limited in what you can upgrade regarding hardware. Besides in a lot of cases you need to buy their hardware or it might not be compatible.

I'm too chicken to do any of this myself so if there is any customization going on it'll be by Dell, HP or whoever.

The question you'll need to ask yourself is what can I upgrade on my current system and is it worth the money?

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that new is the way to go.

Considering a new desktop PC there are a few options.

Buying again an A brand PC. They are usually sold as a complete system. They usually sell a number of preconfigured systems which can be changed to a certain extent (hard drive, memory, monitor, etc.,...).

I'm definitely looking at those. I posted a link to one above.

Most PC shops also offer a number of configurations usually categorized as budget, mainstream, gaming and high end configs. I guess that you can alter configs for an additional price.

I don't know of many shops in the area. I use one for all my repairs and they are excellent for that. I once consulted them on a small form factor PC to use with a TV and they were waaaaaay beyond what I was looking for. I'm most comfortable with Windows and I recall they were trying to push me to an Android-based system, if that even makes sense.

Build to order. In this case you can assemble your own PC based on components of your own choice. This requires of course some knowledge of PC hardware and brands. This is what I usually do.

Too scary!!!!

I have no clue which storage you are using? Do you save your downloads on one or more local HDD's? Do you have an internal RAID system? Do you use one or more external HDD's? Do you have a NAS or SAN system?

Storage isn't really an issue. Currently I'm only using 400MB of a 2TB harddrive. My biggest data storage is my 'collection' and that's all on external drives. (It's also backed up with the backups stored elsewhere...)

I have to confess that I don't know what RAID, NAS or SAN is. Googling NAS it seems to be something to do with the cloud. I don't use that.


I use an SSD as primary HDD. SSD's are much faster than conventional HDD's. On this SSD I only install the operating system, drivers, tools (7 zip, Ccleaner, etc.,..) and my anti-virus application.

I definitely wouldn't be opposed to a SSD for the operating system for the reasons you say. I'm guessing that might not be feasible in my price range. If I'm looking to top out no more that $1500 CDN wouldn't I be better off putting the money into a better video card rather than a small SSD?

32, 64 and 128 GB of RAM sound very nice and useful but the price tag is also nice and do you really need it? If you are not using super RAM eating applications than I would recommend you not to buy more than 16 GB or RAM.

I was shocked at the cost of additional RAM. The system I looked at on the Dell site came with 12. I'm thinking that's sufficient for my needs. Adding more gets expensive!


You don't play high end games but a decent video card and a good monitor is not an unnecessary luxury.

Others have pointed out the monitor. I think I'll do that though maybe not right away. That might be the subject of another thread where I ask tech advice.

A site I really recommend as IT hardware resource is Tom's Hardware. http://www.tomshardware.com/. This site contains lots of information, advice, hardware tests, price comparison, etc.,...

I'm familiar with that site and like it. I'll be sure to do some research there.

Good luck!


Thanks for your advice!

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02-05-18  05:16pm - 2512 days #22
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Thanks Onyx.

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Although the all in one is touchscreen, you don't have to use it like that. I use my keyboard and mouse for the most part.

The main thing I like is there is no large tower to try and find a place for so I won't keep bumping it.

I do think there will be a next generation of computers that are nothing more than large tablets. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016)

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02-08-18  03:11am - 2509 days #24
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RA,

I would recommend you buy the cheapest Dell/Lenovo/etc with enough expansion slots for what you want it to do. I am assuming you don't do any high end activities (gaming, video editing, etc)? Literally any modern PC can browse the internet and play HD videos no problem. Some of the lower end stuff probably can't do 4k, but I presume you don't have a 4k monitor?

If all you are doing is watching videos, all you need is a base model, just make sure it has enough slots for stuff you might want to do in the future (i.e. PCIe slots for making an HTPC if that may be in your future, hard drive slots for expansion, etc). I think SSDs are nice, but I don't know that you would see a huge benefit, and I certainly wouldn't pay the premium for having one installed OEM (they tend to be 2-3x the market price in my experience). Worst case, it really isn't hard to install an SSD boot drive, there are probably hundreds of YouTube videos on the topic. If you want to get fancy, get a fanless NUC and attach it to the back of your monitor. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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02-08-18  08:32am - 2509 days #25
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Possibly off-topic. But not really:

RA, I've been thinking about your problem.
You want to upgrade your PC experience.
My deep thoughts range far and wide.

And I've come up with the best solution to your problems and desires:
Instead of buying a dinky PC or Apple, go to the next step:
A Star-Trek Phaser, Ultimate Edition.

Do not be fooled by the adverts for the last-generation lightsaber.
Were your aware that Jedi knights are a dying breed?
A recent documentary showed the last Jedi knight who dies in obscurity.

Lightsabers are a poor choice of weapon.
Not only do they require inherentt skills from the wielder (the Force that fans are always screaming about), but lightsabers are only effective at close distances.

With a Phaser, you can aim and shoot from a distance.
So your personal safety is increased.

Also, Phasers can be set at different levels of force: stun (normal setting, but only effective on wimps and stand-ins), and blaster, the main setting for dealing with the scum you come across daily).

Phasers are much better than computers: they can solve the problems of real life, instead of giving you sexy photos and videos that arouse indecent emotions.
Oh, the joy of annihilating one's enemies, the thrill of destruction!

By the way, I read that Elon Musk, the inventor of the Tesla automobile, has invented a $500 flamethrower. Quantities are limited. So you might have to pay a premium if you go through Ebay.

$500 for a super-looking personal flamethrower sounds like a great idea, to me.
Why couldn't I think of it?
That's why Elon Musk is a genius: he has the vision to see what the common folks need.

(I also read that he will be shipping a complimentary fire extinguisher with each flamethrower.)
(But why you would need a fire extinguisher, is beyond me: it must be one of those Federal law requirments that are strangling the freedoms of all good citizens everywhere.)

So, save your money for a Elon Musk flamethrower. They are way cooler than any PC that I've seen.

02-13-18  11:46am - 2504 days #26
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Also, I use Internet Download Manager which seems to be a big drain on the computer. When the downloaded file is being transferred to an external drive that can sometimes take longer than the download itself and the computer is pretty much unusable while the transfer is going on.


To solve this particular problem with the transfers, move your IDM temp folder to the same external drive to which you are saving files.

Also, I agree with others here, I recommend a new desktop PC. Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off.

02-14-18  04:48pm - 2503 days #27
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Thanks to all for the sound advice. I have some good ideas of what to look for and what isn't needed so probably sometime in the next couple of months I'll take the plunge.

I appreciate your advice.

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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Thanks to all for the sound advice. I have some good ideas of what to look for and what isn't needed so probably sometime in the next couple of months I'll take the plunge.

I appreciate your advice.


Sounds like your final word, RA. I just came across this thread and wanted to add that last year during my visit to Best Buy I saw desktops for around CA $ 400 and 26" monitors for approx. CA $350. The cheap computer would certainly meet all your requirements. Have a look if a BestBuy is near you!

03-13-18  05:48pm - 2476 days #29
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:

Since the computer is probably at least six years old I’m wondering if I should spend the money on some upgrades (more RAM maybe?) or just buy a new desktop. Can anyone offer any advice on this?


I am surprised so many people are saying to rebuild new when it seems all you are using the PC for is desktop work as opposed to gaming or anything like this.

Furthermore, 6 years ago, this is when Ivy Bridge came out which I think most would ageee is still a bloody good CPU now.

And even if you had bought the last years CPU model 6 years ago. The Sandy Bridge's are also very good now too.

6GB memory is absolutely the issue of the slowness. If the PC motherboard you have supports DDR3 and has 4xDimm slots you can get 4x8GB DDR3 memory second hand from somewhere like CEX and you would see a considerable jump in speed and performance for around £100.

Add that with a Solid State Drive for another £40 to run windows off and really you will get the feeling of having a new top of the range PC from those two.

Building/buying a new PC for hundreds of pounds when all you are going to be doing is likely browsing the net and watching a film or two is major overkill and not needed.

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03-14-18  02:54am - 2475 days #31
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


That's an amazing psychic diagnostic ability you have. I've worked on hundreds of machines and still never been able to do anything like it. Tell me, how is it you know how much of that 6GB is actually in use, and for what purpose?


Because on my PC while typing this message I have 6 apps running such as my adblocker app, antivirus, print manager, the browser, a keyboard manager app.

And I am using 4GB of my onboard memory just with doing this.

Windows 10 is very memory hungry. And you really need 16GB at the least for smooth unaffected use.

And it's not Psychic ability. I am Cisco CCNA certified.

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Originally Posted by Onyx:

I certify you wrong. Go back to your switches and routers.


Open up task manager and look how much memory you are currently using inside Windows 10. You will be surprised.

W10 is very much a memory hog. And even if the advice is to buy/build a new PC. I would say to the OP to buy at the very least a PC with 16GB of ram.

03-14-18  06:21am - 2475 days #34
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03-14-18  10:06am - 2475 days #35
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Originally Posted by Onyx:

You don't know what you are talking about.


Thats funny I am thinking the same about you.

Please remember you are the one telling the OP to in effect bin his 6 year old PC and pay hundreds for a new one when i am simply advising to up the memory and get a SSD.

I have multiple PC's. One of my PCs is an AMD Athlon dual core PC bought literally 10 years ago. So it is two years older than the OP's Pc that you say is only worthy of the scrap heap.

I bought it at the time as a cheap stop gap while I was wating for Intels Nehalem CPU's coming in early 2009. So it was not in anyway top of the range then.

And I can easily browse with it, watch movies (due to having a graphics card that offsets x264 encoding) and do many tasks with it so much so that it still gets used today in one of my rooms and have no issues with it whatsoever.

Pc's have got to the point quite some years back where they are good enough and there is little need to upgrade entirely.

The OP says his PC is running at a crawl. The reason this will be is the 6GB memory. It will be a very small price for him to go to CEX and get 4x4G sticks of ram second hand.

03-14-18  10:14am - 2475 days #36
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Originally Posted by Onyx:


You don't actually read anything anyone else says do you?


I read what you said. I just didn't agree with it. There is a difference.

The OP has been given options. He can decide what he wants to do.

The simplest thing in the world is to replace memory on a PC. And if he intends to scrap it anyway, whats the harm of swapping out the sticks.

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03-17-18  06:21am - 2472 days #41
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Thanks to everyone who replied above. I appreciate the advice.

I held off on doing anything because I knew I'd be out of the country for a while. I was back earlier this week and took the plunge and ordered a new PC. I know that I had options to upgrade what I have but there are signs that what I have now is just wearing out so it seemed a better idea to just start fresh. I bought more computer than I need but I also plan to keep it for a while. I'm really looking forward to having a PC that can handle basic behind-the-scenes Windows 10 stuff while still allowing me to do what want to do.

What I'm not looking forward to is the hours of setting up the new PC and getting it to where I know where all my stuff is.

Again, thanks all!

03-17-18  12:45pm - 2472 days #42
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Unless you have some complicated system setup that is very advanced, the setup on a new computer is fast and easy.
Just plug in the wires where you're supposed to (follow the diagram supplied), and it should not take more than 30 minutes. Complete.
That does not include transferring your old files to the new PC. There are programs to do that, or you can buy some cheap cables to do it faster. Or whatever. But maybe you can post a question on this thread, or a new one, on the best, easiest, fastest way to transfer files from an old PC to a new one.

But I imagine that most of your files are on separate hard drives, so that's just a matter of plugging them in to the new PC.

The only problems with Windows 10 are the constant updates.
I don't remember any of the previous windows that needed so many updates all the time.

Anyway, don't sweat it, keep it simple.
And enjoy your new toy.
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03-19-18  04:54pm - 2470 days #43
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^ Thanks. I'm looking forward to not being frustrated by a PC that can't do two things at once, especially when one of the things it wants to do is run updates.

The physical setup isn't a big deal but the thing I'm not looking forward to is 'personalizing' it. My PC has been with me now for a while and it's like a pair of old shoes that are comfortable but worn out. So things like preferences, passwords and getting software installed are a bit of a pain in the ass. My biggest concern is iTunes since I don't want to lose my music. But I'm sure Google will offer some advice on that.

As for Windows 10 and updates, I hear ya. In December and earlier this month it had updates that took over an hour to install. Jesus!

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