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12-01-08  01:57pm - 5865 days #30
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


Personally, I can't take price out of the equation when grading a site because a part of grading a site is assessing the value - and if I were to compare 2 sites that had very similar amounts and style of content and 1 had a price that was $10/month higher than the other, you can bet that if I were grading both of them, I would give the less expensive site a higher grade, because it's a better value - and a better value deserves a higher grade, regardless of whether TBP wants to use it in their reviews or not - and I'm not knocking their decision to take it out of their criteria. I'm just not taking it out of mine for the reasons stated.


I can't review without considering price, either. I was rather dumbstruck when TBP said that it no longer was going to figure price into their scoring. Well, at least they were transparent about it.

How many things get reviewed without price being a factor? Some movies, perhaps. Some books, maybe. Haute couture, to be "bien sur" sure, price being no object.

But not cars. Not appliances. Not a lot of things. With porn sites, how many of us don't care how much we get for our (name that currency)? It isn't like a video of cocksucking, cuntlapping, and hole-banging is going to be the heigth of fashion, or just simply so edifying that it's worth a few dollars more, no questions asked. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-30-08  04:33am - 5866 days #15
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Yes, I'm bumping the thread up again ... ;)

I've been reviewing some of my older material and I gotta say:

Sammy Stone!
Kathryn Lee! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-28-08  12:39pm - 5868 days #10
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I remember as well when memberships through ccbill were easier to cancel from at their site, as everything was listed in reverse chronological order of joining. (That's from entering your credit number and e-mail address there.)

Then gaps started being a problem. Some subscriptions just weren't there in the list. I'd have to search email.

Well, my solution has been this. When I join a site, I keep a record in a spreadsheet (good old excel). I always include the user name, password, and the subscription ID. So when I cancel at ccbill, I just copy the subscription ID from the excel file and paste into their lookup and I always find the subscription straightaway.

It's less convenient than it used to be, but it's better than searching email or whatever and maybe not finding it.

I just hate that panicky, "OMG, how am I going to get out of this?" feeling. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 28, 2008, 12:42pm

11-28-08  12:29pm - 5868 days #4
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Ah, the spam turkeys, those who guarantee that "You've Got Mail!" no matter what.

Check mail, click first spam message, hold down shift, click last spam message, deselect non-spam ... hit DELETE.

My daily ritual.

Without all of the review sites out there, to say nothing of our beloved PU, I might be paying a little more attention to the spam offers. But probably not for long ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-28-08  03:19am - 5869 days #12
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I don't think I'm being to naive in saying that I believe that for the most part we all give honest scores to our reviews. We may not agree on the actual number, but that is why it's very important to have a detailed review to justify that score. Of course if the score and the review
don't seem to make sense then I tend to assume that this particular reviewer as an ulterior motive. For me a 100% score is not possible, because I don't believe there is never a possibility of improving something.


Yes, that sums it up well. Unless I'm familiar with the reviewer, a score that's too high or too low, especially in a review that's short on details, makes me wonder about the reviewer.

I've enjoyed sites rated in the 70's at TPB or at PU, including some I've rated under 80. Just because a site needs to improve in key areas doesn't necessarily mean it would be a waste of money. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-27-08  06:07am - 5869 days #46
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Originally Posted by IKnoPorn:


One thing I've seen a couple of times, is instead of a watermark, use the "meta data" that is available for any image, music, or video file. Basically, this meta-data is where the producer/owner can put whatever information they want. For example, in Windows Media Player, there is a tiny area beneath the video where the video maker can place copyright information or whatever the heck they want. What's great about this is, it's kind of like closed captioning, it isn't on top of the imagery you're looking at at all, instead it is on the bottom of the image, and you can even turn it off if you don't like it.


BodyInMind does something similar with photos. Every time you download a zip, they warn you that they embed your ISP info into each pic. (I've not actually seen this info in any of the pics.) Yet they also have a watermark, the kind that stretches across the top (or was that the bottom?) of every image.

If such a thing actually works, it would be nice if it were just a standard feature for all sites. That would help to deter copyright violations, and then I don't believe they'd even need watermarks. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-27-08  03:06am - 5870 days #6
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Wow, I was just thinking about this question last night, and today I see you've started a thread on it. It must be an idea whose time has come.

Wittyguy has certainly spelled out a lot of the pluses, and has done so in a highly humorous fashion. It's got to be one of the all-time funniest posts here (perhaps anywhere) ever.

So I'll toss in a few more pluses:
+No blurriness
+No excessive darkness or light (or things like retina-frying sun glare or backlight)
+No tats on the models except perhaps a bit on an ankle
+There's NEVER ANY cropping of the girl between her head and upper thigh. Head, arms, and ass are always all there. But cropping at the upper thigh is OK for closer views and ass worship. And of course face only, ass only, and tits only pics are perfectly fine, too.
+Every gallery and every video has pics of the girl showing her ass in perfect symmetry standing and laying on her belly, looking back at the viewer with a genuinely sweet and horny expression, without her hands always on her ass
+All of the models are so hot that my body grows a second prostate gland just to handle it. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 27, 2008, 03:20am

11-26-08  05:00pm - 5870 days #43
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Originally Posted by badandy400:


Watermarks are annoying to an extent. In videos i actual prefer them, but on in the first few seconds. This is a huge help when it comes to organizing, especially if you organize by website like I do.

However, I did say the first few seconds. Not the entire video such as some people believe is needed. Having it at the onset of the video is enough to get the idea across. Anyone who is willing to spend the time cutting the first few seconds of a video off to get ride of a watermark is willing to remove it from the whole video.

In pictures it is not so bad if it is small and out of the way. It should never, ever come even close to the model. I get SO PISSED OFF when a watermark and in some case a full blown stamp covers the model!


You're saying the same thing I've been saying. In pics, the watermark should never be close to the model.

Good watermarks are small. Skokoff, which I recently reviewed, has a nice small one that you don't notice much. It just gives the name of the site, and it's not some garish piece of visual pollution that looks like a mass-produced decal that some 3-year-old runs around and slaps on everything under the sun until one of his parents realizes, in horror, what the little tyke has been up to for the last couple of hours.

Perhaps the worst example I've ever seen was a sub-site called "Banana Babes" or something like that. That thing was awful. Completely ruined what could have been some really nice pics. Makes me think that some people just produce porn, while others are in charge of doing the bit of enjoying it. Or at least trying to.

But even a small and modest watermark can do harm when it's, say, stuck in the model's hair. I don't care how much extra work it is. I say, "Never put the watermark on the model."

I'm waiting for the day when a site uses this as a selling point, showing a pic ("Them") that has the watermark on the model covered by a big, red circle with the slash in the middle, then showing an "Us" pic with the watermark moved safely away, and under that a statement such as "We NEVER put the watermark on the model!" That would be a turning point.

But I do agree that they are helpful in identifying which site the content comes from.

For vids, the first few frames, before the scene begins, can suffice for that purpose. You know: Name of site (cue swishing noise that sounds like one of those doors opening on the starship "Enterprise"), then name of model, then title, and from there, just the scene, please. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 26, 2008, 05:11pm

11-26-08  04:27pm - 5870 days #79
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Originally Posted by IKnoPorn:


Mine is a crop of a Zippy the Pinhead lithograph, sporting a particularly excited look. I thought his perversity rather fit the forum, and it's vaguely disturbing to boot.


Zippy the Pinhead was one of my favorite strips. I'll never forget the one in which he told his teacher that "A computer virus ate my homework." I don't know why, but that one was especially funny. That was in the early '90's.

I actually saw someone once on a subway car who was just about the spitting image of Zippy. Even smiled like him. Freaked me out. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-26-08  04:22pm - 5870 days #78
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


I would agree that for a porn site this place has a pretty high level of discussion. Probably because most of the regular pervs just want to find their porn and move on; those that want to spam get banished; and I think others find stupid posts don't get responded to and they just sort of fade away. Since this site is more on the outer edge of the mainstream most of the contributers are more open minded so you don't get the flamers or crusaders who post stuff just to make their point. I also think that the forum "bar" has been set pretty high so far and that new users get the idea and contribute accordingly.


Here, here. PU has turned out to be, more often than not, and quite fortunately, a place for intelligent and reasoned discussion. And this has been a surprise to me. I was at first expecting the usual jungle of simple-minded anti-intellectualism that pervades a lot of other discussion areas.

For a good brawl, choose YouTube. For edification, choose PornUsers. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-26-08  03:05am - 5871 days #13
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Originally Posted by IKnoPorn:


1) Turning off that F***ing file indexer!! It is a huge waste of time and disk space. This is Microsoft's sorry excuse for people that don't know how to store files in folders on their hard drive. Just like your filing cabinet, if you don't keep your files neatly organized, I think you get what you deserve. BTW, if anyone wants a far superior file searcher, even over Windows XP Search (with the silly little dog), then use Agent Ransack, it's a super fast utility that does not need to index your hard drive.

.....

There is one cool little thing I like about Vista over XP: in the toolbar, when you cursor over an active task, it gives you a little mini preview window, so you can see what's in it! You can even be watching a movie, then go to your taskbar and see it miniaturized!


First, on your point #1, you're right that people get what they deserve when they don't organize their own files. I remember reading an article somewhere, might have been in The Economist, that claimed that the days of having to do that organizing were coming to an end because the search functions being developed would serve the purpose well enough. But I thought they'd missed the point that it's not just what's on the computer and where it is that matters; it's really what's in one's own mind.

It's always helpful to already know where things are, so you don't even have do a search and then plod through what are sometimes reams of results, most of which are not relevant. And that means having to be careful enough to name files and folders in ways that make them easy to retrieve, no matter how you go about finding them.

The last part quoted here reminds me of another OS, the Mac. It seems that once again Apple took the lead and Microsoft just basically copied the idea of the Dock on the Mac. Some things never change.

And Apple was also the leader in fast searches. Spotlight (on the Tiger OS, which I still use) finds things very quickly, even as you're typing. Maybe Vista can do that, too (?). That's the one drawback I find with XP: You have to figure out how the little doggie search function works and then set up all of the parameters before running it, which is kind of a pain.

NB: This is a following-day remark.
One thing about XP that does irk me is the obvious code bloat they've put in for getting the sizes of folders. Because I always make a copy of my most newly collected porn on CD, I keep track of the folder I'm putting it in until it's close to the capacity limit for the CD.

But if I reboot my machine because it's starting to run slow (clogged RAM) and then I mouse over that folder, I'm told not its actual size, but that it's "more than XXX MB." Whose brilliant idea was it to add code that would tell the user such worthless information? I want to know how much IS in the folder, not how much more than X amount it is! (My F5 key will most surely be the first one to go.)

I mean, on the scale of all things ludicrous, that's right up there with The Ministry of Silly Walks (that great Monty Python skit). I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 27, 2008, 01:24pm

11-25-08  04:13pm - 5871 days #7
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I still use the XP "Media Edition" that came with my Dell box nearly 3 years ago. I've never been much of a bandwagoner anyway, and the Vista bandwagon sounds like it's a small one rolling at high speed down tight mountain roads that have no guardrails.

Vista sounds like the "downgrade," not the other way around.

As the old saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it." I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-24-08  12:08am - 5873 days #4
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MetArt, FemJoy, HegreArt, MPL Studios,and JustTeenSite are my favorites for softcore, pretty much in that order. They all have pics at least at 3000px and they're all exclusive (except for JustTeenSite). I've ranked them pretty much in order of how much you get for the price and for multiple size options in zips.

For hardcore, I'd say the network sites myxxpass and the network that includes Mike's Apartment. I don't join these very often, but once they've added enough content (over many months), they're pretty good.

I also want to mention Twisty's, which has from October of this year been making most of their new pics 1600 pixels, and that's true for BlueFantasies, which is included. Twisty's has both exclusive and non-exclusive and continues to improve as a great value for the TBP price (3 galleries and two videos per day, every day, at Twisty's). The image quality as been getting better, too, overall. Definitely worth a join, especially for first-timers. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 24, 2008, 12:14am

11-22-08  05:12pm - 5874 days #3
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I'll miss Sanja Matice. She closed down her site earlier this year. She didn't seem to get much attention around here at PU, but she's very beautiful. At least I can always enjoy the substantial collection I have of her.

Linda O'Neil is also missed. Very sexy!

But on a positive note, Jana Cova has been making a comeback and she looks great. Newer stuff of her is showing up at sites like Twistys, Babelicious, and TorridArt. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-22-08  10:06am - 5874 days #9
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Well, they probably spend money like crazy. Capital investments and so on for business purposes, I'm sure. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-22-08  09:28am - 5874 days #7
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Originally Posted by Denner:


PS: Update: At one of those links I found this:

http://www.prague-adult-escorts.com/profile.php?id=54

Most here remember this Lenka - If this is true in anyway, it's quite special - but, ok - it may turn out to be a look-a-like - guess we'll never know.
And they even got Angel Dark, but man, is she expensive...


The photo does show Lenka Gaborova. My heavens! And Roxy Carter (Veronica Hanacova), too. And on ... Oh, what fun! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-22-08  09:21am - 5874 days #6
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Toadsith is right. The US is prudish about sex. Very. I don't suppose I have to go into my bit about how violence is glorified but sex here will scare the Alien right into the shivering arms of the Predator.

The US (under the current administration) even withheld foreign aid to Brazil when that country decided to legalize prostitution -- in a effort to better control the spread of STD's.

There are some communities here that will even publish the name of men that are caught procuring the services of the ladies of night. And the shows like "Cops" (or one of those) has shown sting operations in which an undercover female, posing as a prostitute, will attract a guy to stop his car and start taking business. Then the cops move in and bust his ass.

VERY prudish, indeed.

But in parts of Nevada, at least, it is legal. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-22-08  09:02am - 5874 days #10
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Originally Posted by Denner:


Not supprisingly to most here, I totally agree with the Drooler about TeenDreams. Over the years this site has delivered some of the best soft (and HC) videos (and photosets, by all means) of euro/easterneuro girls/models - even if most of it is not exclusive, but a "joint venture".

I'd also say Babes.tv which have some very fine exclusive videos.
Next it's FMTeens - if your're a sucker for those eastern euro-teens - soft - the site is too expensive and the updates are not the best, but the content IS - generally.
And in the same gender nudolls.com - alas the site lately has had some problems with updates - hope they are still alive and well, because the content is great and here you get some hardcore-videos with some of the models also known from FMTeens.


I'll toss in that Teen Dreams has lately had some very nice photosets (surprise! ;) of Erin Nicole, Lena Nicole (could they be related? ;), and even some older -- but larger -- pics of my long-term bone-throb Mia Stone. And that's just some of it.

I've gone from "Fuckin' WOW!" to "Yeah-Yeah" about TeenDreams over the years, but they have been making improvements that I really appreciate. The downloads aren't always super-swifty, but they're hardly slow enough to get a ticket for holding up traffic on the Information Superhighway. And sometimes the downloads put that pedal to the metal.

NUdolls I've been lurking into from time to time, but they haven't updated for over a month as of today. I hope it's just a windup for a big flood of new material.

As Paul McCartney once sang, "Those Ukraine girls really knock me out!" I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-22-08  04:41am - 5874 days #8
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I'd say TeenDreams is a good candidate. You get 30 updates per week, pics and vids, softcore and hardcore, and at TBP or Rabbit's it only costs $18 per month. On top of that, the pics are now coming in often at over 2000px and a lot of them look great.

I think it deserves better than the 84.5 average score it has now. Sure, it's hardly an all-exclusive site, but for the value, it's as good now as Babelicious, which, even with SexyBabes (an included bonus), doesn't update as much in a week.

I also think that 82.6 does not represent the quality and volume of Hegre Art. The pics are usually very clear and they go up to 6000px! What other sites do that? Very few. Errotica does every long once in a while, to past 7000, which is, well, p-l-e-n-ty. And I don't agree with some folks that the girls are all skinny. That's an overgeneralization. And HegreArt is all exclusive. It's one of the best softcore nude photography sites there is.

Eight-two point six? No. I do not agree with that! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-15-08  10:14am - 5881 days #50
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Originally Posted by Khan:


Well, the first isn't opened yet and the 2nd is not a pay site. It looks to be more where the photographer recruits models. As we're not a site for sharing free content, we don't list free sites.


I've passed the third on to the TBP Editors.


Just to make my own intentions clear: I knew the first two wouldn't be listed for the reasons you've spelled out. I was just telling the members about something that was coming up, and the only content samples were on the site that also recruits models (contact info way down on the bottom of the page).

As for the third, ambya, thanks for passing it along for a listing, although I myself had declined to do so since the site's so small as yet. That was just my own judgment call on that one. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-15-08  03:10am - 5882 days #48
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Here's one that's in the works. They say they'll open in spring 2009: www.eroberlin.com.

But wait, that one doesn't show any previews. To see those, go to www.erotic-production.com.

The photography looks really great, and the models are as well. There are some of the very well-known -- Cayenne, Lucy Lee (as Adela), Lola (the very blond teen-looking girl), etc. -- as well as the lesser-exposed but dynamite beautiful Chanel, who I've only seen at MetArt and ATK Galleria so far.

I did watch a preview video of Cayenne at a beach. The quality was really good and she was speaking English (Hungarian accent, of course).

Looking forward to the end of winter ...

There's another site, too, and it's open for business but so far it seems to be too small for the price: www.ambya.com. They only have a few models and their visitor's area is a brief one at this point, but I'm looking forward to future growth. They've got Erin Nicole, for one, who is very foxy and has been away for awhile, it seems. Pics at 3000, "HD" video, and zips are all listed there. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 15, 2008, 03:23am

11-10-08  03:44am - 5887 days #59
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


As a newbie I thought I'd make this my first post as it is one that caught my eye. For many years I have realised how governments try to control freedom of speech and expression. They love terrorism, paedophilia, murder, social unrest etc because it gives them a great chance to pass laws that restrict the freedom of its own people. The greatest threat to any people is generally its own government, as the majority is nearly always ruled by a wealthy minority, who control the media, and therefore control who gets elected.

The most unpleasant and uncivilised countries generally have the most restricitive censorship. We're in a battle at the moment, because the internet means cheaper access to media, music, news, arts, and so on. This means less profit for the rich corporations who own the media, and who put politicians into power. The internet also means access to information and free speeech, which has always been anathema to governments and powerful corporations.

These people will, as has been suggested on here, eventually take control of the internet. I think it is inevitable. They will use any excuse they can. They will use terrorism and extreme porn as an excuse to clamp down on freedom of expression and cheap access to media. This is a sort of crossover to the extreme thread on here. I could hardly read the description of some of those videos, but I just watch what I want to watch. I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of expression. When videos break the law, then maybe those who make them should be prosecuted. But in the past you could be breaking the law by being homosexual. Most of the laws are not passed for the majority but for the minority, under pretence of helping the citizens as a whole. This goes back 2000 years where they would pass laws en bloc. A bunch of laws would have one good law highlighted for citizens, along with 9 bad ones, which would favour the minority.

Not only is censorship used to restrict rights of citizens, it also by inference, suggests that those who lead and control are superior to the rest of us. Superior enough to be able to tell us what is good for us, and what we should be doing and watching.

We may not like or agree with some of the things we see or hear. Thankfully on here it looks like we have some very intelligent and well educated people. One thing governments have always hated, has been intellectuals who disagree with them. That's why simplistic tabloid journalism goes down so well. The governements like it, and so do people who let the media tell them what to think, because they are too stupid to think for themselves. But thanks to the way simplistic media influences its simplistic people, it will eventually be able to convince them that censorship and control of the internet is the only thing that can stop terrorism, mass murder, paedophilia, football hooliganism, smoking, public disorder and unrest, tax evasion, oh yeah - and driving without a TV licence, and stealing lolipops from sweet shops.


You said it all so well. This is what I've been observing in the US for quite some time: the wealthy minority controlling the media, the government, the war machine, etc. And US. And it's not just control, but exploitation, with minimum wages that can't possibility sustain a minimum standard of living, health insurance that masquerades as health insurance, and a media machine that turns into a lap dog when we need real journalism to keep the government in check. Instead we get a machine that tells us what to think and even what to think about. Not that there's been enough thinking ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-04-08  12:03pm - 5892 days #9
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey99:


Playboy has that. If you stay a member of one of their sites for 3 months, then you can add additional site of your choice free of charge. Every 3 months you can add another site.


That reminds me of another, but it was even better. DDF Productions offered a 2008 New Year's "gift" of a free month's access to another site, of one's own choosing, when you joined. So the essential point is that things can be set up to allow the user to choose the sites. 21st Sextury could do that, if only they were willing. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-04-08  11:50am - 5892 days #8
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


This is the weirdest type of loyalty program, since it's actually a dis-loyalty program. If you stay, you pay the premium price, but if you're going to leave, then you get a better offer.


Well put. Even disloyality may have its rewards. ;)

Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


As to the "who picks the sites at 21st Sextury's network" - Would you really expect them to have members pick the order of the bonuses? That'd be ideal from a customer's perspective, but I've never seen any company of any type structure such deals in a customers-decide fashion.


I haven't either, but as you say, it would be "ideal from a customer's perspective." However, I would change "ideal" to just "normal." After all, if I choose one of their sites to begin with, why wouldn't I be able to choose the next? So yes, I would really ... make that do really expect it from the customer's perspective. Hey, if I'm paying, I'm doing the choosing, not them.

You're right that they probably won't ever let the members choose their own bonus sites. But to me, it's like buying anything else. Imagine the people running 21st Sextury going into an auto store. When asked which options they'd like, imagine them answering, "I dunno know ... Surprise me."

They've never gotten me to sign up for their loyality discounts with their approach anyway. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

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To me it depends on the kind of "loyalty" system it is.

One type is the add-a-site (or sites) program, such as PixAndVideo and Club Sandy (and I think some other 21st Sextury sites). You stay on for the same rate -- $30 with them -- and you can add a site (or is it two?) each month.

Another type is the reduced membership fee each month. European Glamour Girls does that, but the monthly reduction is really small: 60 cents per month, the cost of one small cup of rot-gut coffee from a local food truck.

The third type might be called the "up-front" discount: Stay for a year and you pay, say, $99 for the whole shebang. That comes to $8.25 per month, which is what MetArt does. But, of course, most other sites charge more than that.

Still, this last type I do like, in part because it's just simpler. I do enough "managing" of things pornographic as it is!

I'm not motivated to count the days until I can join another site, go through the stress of hoping I pick one that I'll actually like once I'm in, and continue paying premium price month-to-month on top of it. Or can I even choose the site? Pat (below) says that they choose it for you. Well, that's no good at all! It's like having a parental figure saying, "Now take your piano classes. And your 'Extreme Interracial DP Creampies.'"

And of course, I'm not inclined to toss a few coins into a jar for additional cups of kidney-killer in a styrofoam cup, all based on the phases of the moon.

But there is a risk even with type 3. A good example is TorridArt, which used to update three times a week with parts 1 and 2 of a shoot and part one of the next. So it was three shoots every two weeks. That's when I bought in at $90 for a year. Then they went down to two updates per week. And now they're doing this bullshit BTS sometimes and just ONE half a shoot per week.

Makes we wish I'd stayed away and then signed up for their short-term trial, which didn't exist when I put my loyalty forward. I could have just raided and quit.

What TorridArt has done is a good example of how those who mislead others wind up misleading themselves. They're rewarding the "raiders" at the same time they're screwing their more loyal subscribers. If they think that's going to serve their own interests, long-term at least, they're mistaken.

Oh, I've realized that there is a fourth type, though it's more ad hoc and not a loyalty program per se: the loyality discount offer you get when you are in the mist of cancelling. I've gotten some OK deals that way, though they're not as cheap as they used to be. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Nov 01, 2008, 07:55pm

10-29-08  04:49pm - 5898 days #11
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Originally Posted by Khan:


It's interesting to see that 46% of PornUsers (who responded) thought that eye contact was very important in porn.

How important is eye contact in porn?


Here, here! I'm in the "pro-eye-contact-with-the-camera" group, but there are important qualifying statements that need to be made.

I HATE it when the camera stays on the girl's face and that's all you can see. I mean, that's really ridiculous. I wanna see the action, of course!

I don't like it when the girl isn't being sexy, but just being fucked like a meat-market special.

I don't like it when the girl's face gets all red and contorted. Some chicks just can't help it when they're having sex, I suppose, but I want a sweet face to look at.

Really, it's not just eye contact, but a feeling of interaction. I have a nice video of Layla Rivera getting it belly down flat (my favorite!) and her face is nearest the camera at one point -- maybe 15 seconds? -- and she says stuff and coos and moans and it's a real turn on. So something like that I love, but it shouldn't be a long, drawn-out thing.

You know, everything in moderation! ;) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-29-08  12:21pm - 5898 days #7
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Originally Posted by Khan:


If you're interested to see how PornUsers responded to a poll touching on this subject ...

Watching porn on regular basis makes me...


Oh, yeah! Would the New York Times cite that? Or would the "received wisdom" take too much of a hit? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-28-08  05:21pm - 5899 days #2
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From what you quoted, "may" is an important word. Just because porn is shown to affect sexual attitudes of what is considered "normal" behavior doesn't clearly link it to an increase in infidelity.

Porn shows people having sex. The way people in porn have sex might change attitudes in some people I suppose (maybe there will be more BJ's!), but bascially it's sex. It doesn't show infidelity, because these folks are fucking for a buck. The only time I saw infidelity even portrayed in porn was a flick back in the '80's with this girl who got mad at her cheating boyfriend and had sex with a guy just to get some kind of weird emotional revenge.

But infidelity itself is not so easily defined. How can it be infidelity if the couple agrees to have an "open" relationship or to "swing"? And does it involve only married people or people who are going "steady" (as in the example above).

And then there's another possibility: The more people cheat, the less time they spend on porn, 'cause they might feel they don't even need it. This I can't prove, but it's something to consider.

So it's interesting that porn got pulled in as some possible causal factor in that article, but just like violence in movies or tv shows, it doesn't necessarily influence people to be violent. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-27-08  05:37pm - 5900 days #2
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I haven't noticed any trend toward making cancellations more difficult, though I have noticed that for several months not all of my transactions through ccbill get posted when I access them by credit card number and email address. It just seems ad hoc.

My solution to that is to always copy and paste the subscription number into the records I make of my transactions. Then I can search for that particular transaction at ccbill very quickly when I want to cancel.

Yes, they also send an email with the same info -- usually -- but I think a little redundancy is worth the bit of extra effort for safety's sake.

Anyway, it is a good idea to watch it when signing up. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-26-08  02:03pm - 5901 days #4
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Originally Posted by shooterbo:


Can't find our old thread that covers this, so....



On the first forum page, do keyword search for "asses" and find within "all" for "all time." I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-18-08  02:36pm - 5909 days #4
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I tend to stay clear of Quicktime. If it weren't for Apple, I think that Quicktime would have disapeared a long time ago. WMP and DIVX are my favortite. I find that whenever I see Divx the video are usually HD or of a much higher quality than most other formats.


I'm with the Raging Buddhist and Pat362 on this (Tweedle-dee-dum-dah). ;) First, what's the biggest and/or with the best bitrate? Then, if it's DivX, I'll go for that. If not, the nearly ubiquitous WMV.

DivX vids just play more smoothly. The player has fewer quirks and seems as if it was written by some smart people. A-hem ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-15-08  03:42pm - 5912 days #16
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Originally Posted by messmer:


PS. Looking at my original post .. I lied! It's not the first time I asked for a refund but the second time! I had forgotten all about the one I mentioned above to Drooler. For a good excuse see ... messmer ... profile ... age! :-)


Well, forgetting isn't necessarily lying. Like, this isn't an investigation into the US Justice Department. ;)

I'm glad this discussion started. Knowing that refunds for ripoffs are yes or no on a case-by-case basis at the billing companies is something I want to keep in mind. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-14-08  04:55pm - 5913 days #7
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I've asked CCBill for refunds before, and got nothing but the runaround. Once it was with a site that misrepresented its content (volume and pic sizes). No one could even find that fucking webmaster. I'm still PO'd about it.

So Messmer, I don't know how you enunciated the "abara kadabara," but you got the door to creak open. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-12-08  09:24am - 5915 days #31
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Originally Posted by messmer:


From now on, if I see a review that is well done I will cast a yes vote, if I see a review that's not so hot (too lacking in detail), I'll keep silent, if I see an obvious attempt at deception or something that is hopelessly inadequate I'll cast a no.


I'm with Monahan on this. Your approach is the same as what I do. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-12-08  09:12am - 5915 days #3
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I haven't been a member since 2006. I tried Ass Traffic twice and All Internal once.

They both had vaginal and anal sex, usually in the same scene. And there was plenty of blowjob stuff, though the All Internal thing at the end of the scene is to have the girl push the cum out of her ass (usually) so you can see it emerge and start dripping down. (There's a guy's voice the background saying, in accented English, "Poosh, baby. POOSH.")

I got tired of the sites because the sex is so often a group thing and I'm just not into that. I also didn't think the video quality was quite good enough -- two years, ago anyway. You could only get mpgs.

Yet there were some scenes that I liked enough to keep. I'll just mention some model names: Alyssa, Alexa May (both have since retired), Dora Venter, Angel Dark, Mili Jay, Betty, Lara Stevens, Jasmine Rouge, Sharon (aka Anna Kubatova, a real stunning beauty and there's not much hardcore of her around).

And generally the action is really, really intense. It's also one of the few sites I've seen where the intro parts are great because the girls take their sweet time to show off their asses. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Oct 13, 2008, 02:07am

10-09-08  02:12am - 5919 days #18
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Originally Posted by Denner:


BTW, Drooler - in this thread I think I made an error, a mistanke with words (english) - when I finish a sentence about your winnings with a LOL - I thought LOL meant something like a smiley or alike - but guess now it stands for "lots of laughs"? (Is that right?)
Nothing to laugh about concerning yours, mine or other PU's winnings.....


"Laugh out loud" or "Lots of laughs" -- we can take our pick. I think people can put in it anywhere they wish to express a laugh in text form, at least on forums and boards and such. Cybertoad did it pretty much the same way.

It's all just friendly banter to me. Sure ain't no biggie. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-08-08  01:49pm - 5919 days #4
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Originally Posted by Monahan:


Way back when I signed up for my first porn site I was hit with that "uncheck the box" gimmick. The good part is that I received an activation email for the unexpected site. So I went to the site and found the contact info.

I called the biller immediately and they canceled the charge without any hassle at all.

Since then I read the sign up box very carefully, as well as the activation email, and I keep everything.

So far, so good with my only beef being that a site doesn't deliver what it promises.

It all boils down to taking your time when signing up and keeping a close eye on your bank statement or credit card statement. (I access both on line and question any strange charges instantly.)


Good practices and good advice.

That business of "pre-signing" you to another site you hadn't asked for doesn't seem as common as it was earlier in the decade, but I still aways "scroll and scan" the sigup page carefully.

And I only cancel from the site when there's no other choice, which is rare. I cancel at the billing company whenever possible. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-08-08  01:42pm - 5919 days #3
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


I'm glad to know the porn industry is safe and won't be needing a big government bail-out.


LOL, that was a good one!

They'd have done better by issuing commodities futures in Jenna Haze's ability to have a real good time. And would have given new meaning to the terms "call" and "put." ;) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-08-08  01:22pm - 5919 days #15
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Well, here's some advice. Check out the newer users and their reviews. Be judicious, of course, but if you really think one deserves a "yes," then grant one.

Do that I think 5 times in a week and it will pad your raffle ticket hand, too. Eh-HEH!

But it gets better: Those newbies who appreciate getting "Yes" notches from you might check out your page and return the favor.

THAT'S how to get that "Trusted User" badge that you're only two off from.

Or just calm down and wait a while. It will come sooner or later, I'm sure.

About those raffle winnings, I didn't even realize until I just checked that I'm number five now. It's not the lavish amount that some people enjoy, though (wink-wink).

Yet my 12 points that snagged me $50, including a labor-intensive review, didn't match up to the 4 points that got another dude a cool, leveraged $100. That raised an eyebrow -- but not one of suspicion, of course (wink). I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Oct 08, 2008, 01:35pm

10-06-08  03:50pm - 5921 days #7
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Originally Posted by Denner:


"The Freak Brothers comics include a number of catchphrases that have worked their way into the underground consciousness:

"Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."&#65533;Freewheelin' Franklin


That's the one! Thanks for pounding the cyber-payment and looking it up! I remember first reading it on a black-light poster back in my tender, if not quite innocent, youth. ;)

So just for the record, obvious though it is by now:
"Porn will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no porn."

Maybe we should declare October "International Be Nice to Your Hard Drive Month." ;) I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-06-08  01:01pm - 5921 days #2
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What's that old expression, might have been from the '60's, something like "It's a lot better to go through times of dope but no money than to go through times of money but no dope."

Something like that. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-04-08  03:37am - 5924 days #2
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I really like the "nurse" theme. There's a video of Rebecca Linares visiting the doctor and getting boned belly down flat on the examination table.

I'd change that to Rebecca as nurse (in charge of "wellness maintenance") and ME as patient while the doctor is out. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-03-08  03:36am - 5925 days #12
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Though I've used paycom-->epoch many times since, there was once a BIG problem with one site in April '07, when epoch was still paycom.

The site was chasingirls. Signed up for a 3-day trial for 3 bucks, then got the bait 'n switch. No downloads unless I signed up for a longer period. I went to cancel at paycom, then there the site offered $14.95/mo if I'd stay (regular price: $24.95). So I took that.

THEN when I tried to access the site, I got a strange message "unauthorized upgrade." Now how in the fuck could it have been an "unauthorized upgrade?" And I had NO access to the site content.

So I contacted paycom to cancel and refund everything. They said OK. But then they didn't refund me. I wound up getting billed $23 dollars on my next credit card statement for it.

Seemed to me that no one knew what they were doing, or if they did, they weren't being at all good to the customer.

So I stayed away from paycom sites for a couple of months and I've never bothered again with that chasingirls site at all. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-02-08  03:06pm - 5925 days #16
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Originally Posted by messmer:


When it comes to trust ratings I think I've just been zapped by someone over a disagreement in taste. He makes a comment that my review was bad without letting me know which review he is commenting on and why he thinks it's bad and then, to add insult to injury he does it anonymously. Does anyone else have problems with "anonymous?"


I can only guess: ATK Natural and Hairy? Noticed a couple of really short recent "reviews" that mostly read like ads and not reviews, anyway. They were just before and after yours.

And the negative comment was "Not a good revue (sic)." I didn't realize we had to be in show business! ;)

Well, don't sweat it. It doesn't reflect on you. And I've had negatives that to me just didn't make sense. Somehow, they disappeared eventually. The folks at PU actually go to the trouble to track down shills, so maybe that's got something to do with it. Or not. Who knows? But it's just a stupid annoyance.

Your review of ATK Natural and Hairy was informative, much more than those quick 'n dirty ones with the scores of "90." And I was glad to read your review, just to confirm that the site really hasn't changed. The photo quality WAS pretty poor sometimes, and some of the women on the site were just ugly!

I haven't been there for quite some time. Those "90" reviews do nothing to persuade me to return. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Oct 02, 2008, 03:10pm

10-01-08  01:13pm - 5926 days #6
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Originally Posted by badandy400:


Agreed. Facts are facts and opinions are like assholes... :)

A good number of reviews sound something like this:

Pros: Some of the sexiest women I've encountered in porn. Normal women being very dirty. As it says in the site name, unique - all sorts of niche content not usually seen together - pregnant, stockings, glasses, masturbation, really great spreading shots
(check out Kaz - best spread ever)

Cons: content is not vast, videos are rather low quality

Bottom Line: Possibly my favourite web site, along with Simonscans and FTV. If you like solo women, and want to see some more mature ones in some really horny photo sets, this is a great site. Well worth a look.

This is an actual recent review. No facts here what so ever. Honestly this review could be summed up by saying "look at the site's homepage." That is exactly was is described here. I honestly could have told you that much by only looking the main page (which I did look at) and never actually joining the site!

This review tells us nothing about what to expect once paid and inside. No mention to how many video, size, quality, how many photo sets to look for, or anything to let me know what I am looking at.

I am not picking only on this review, there are many like it. They totally forget the meat and potatoes part of the review and only focus on the dessert part.


That's nailing it! Nothing like a "classic example," and the choice you made hit the bullseye.

Really had a good laugh. "... opinions are like assholes." Would make a great tag line! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-01-08  02:20am - 5927 days #4
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If a review doesn't tell me what I need from it (photo sizes, zips yes or no, frequency of updates, photo quality, video info., etc.) then it's as good as if I hadn't even read the review as far as I'm concerned. There is effectively no change in what I know about the site.

And some newbie reviews are like this, but plenty more are as well, here at PU, at TBP, and at other review sites. Really, ballpark figure, easily 60%, maybe more, of all of the reviews I read fall short in specific info.

And a few times I've also joined sites after getting the specs and found that my opinion of the site was not nearly as positive as the reviewer's. And I mean reviewers I've given the "Yes" to in trust.

But I don't usually complain to the reviewers in any such cases. Seems to me it's always going to be that way. There are some of us who will go the distance and point out, as everyone should, I think, info such as "Videos only in iPod or cellphone size." But the majority never will.

Still, I do try to encourage other reviewers to get down to those short 'n curlies to the better edification of all. And a few have improved in this way.

So the net effect, though kind of small, is still better than before, and porn shopping has indeed been a lot better anyway thanks to nowhere else but our beloved PU site. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

09-28-08  02:30am - 5930 days #47
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One softcore site that I suppose should be mentioned is euronudes. I know, it sounds like one you've heard of before! ;)

But actually, it's no longer listed at TBP/PU and I don't know if it will be again. (Have communicated with Khan about it and there's some kind of snafu.) I'm mentioning it here because you never know if someone might come across it or might even be interested in it.

I'm currently on a membership for the first time since April 2006. Cost: $30. There is a large models index (over 400) with many familiar Euro models. There are photos and videos, and they're exclusive.

The site's been around since at least 2002. Up to 2005-06, the photos were all 1024 pixels. Then in '05-'06, for a while they were adding "selected" photos at around 2400 px at least for some sets. Then sometime in 2007, it seems, they decided to offer "hi rez" (at 1600) for all NEW photos and they dropped the larger 2400px size (but kept it for the ones they'd already done that way).

I wish I could be more specific on dates, but they don't always date the photosets and their updates/"What's New" list only goes back to July 2008.

So for most of the updates since I've last been there, I've had to plod through the models index. (Click model, view a set, then click "Back to the Overview" to return to the sets of that model.) Have found sets in 1600px of that excellent Slovakian blond Lea (of Nubiles) as Judit T., Agnes (the Mongolian girl), Belicia, Ellena, Eny, Evi (as at HegreArt), Gwen/Pia, Jana Mala, Nina/Samantha/Zelda, and Zuzana C and a few more. And I'm using "familiar" names for these girls; here they sometimes go by yet other names.

(Sometimes one wishes that each model just had a bar code. ;-) Just kidding.

But they don't have larger than 1024px of models like Aneta Smrhova, Lucie Stratilova, Micheala Fenclova, Marina/Euphrat, Tereza Ilova, or Sandra Shine, to name a few.

The number of sets per model varies widely, from just 1 to over 18 or more. The thumbs are too small. The approach is "casual." You have pics of the girls making faces and/or "circus posing" sometimes. There's one set of Lea (Judit) making and serving breakfast in the nude. (That would be nice.)

Of course, the photo quality varies from the earlier-in-the-decade icky colors and grainy textures to pretty good at present, with image quality not as good as at MetArt, FemJoy, or such sites, but not too bad.

The worst thing is downloading photos. You have to download pics by the page, so if there are 7 pages, there are 7 zips. Amazing that anyone still does this.

They also do "close up" and "body map" sets of some of the models, those sets in which a whole pic is nothing but a breast, an ass, one eye, a hand, a foot, a mouth, etc. I remember this kind of stuff was common a few years ago at ATK Galleria. It's kinda weird, but certain pics do come out as sensual, while others just look like forensic evidence.

Anyway, I'm not recommending the site. If I were to score it, it would probably be in the '70's and only for die-hard fans of these models. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Sep 28, 2008, 04:02am

09-23-08  03:43pm - 5934 days #9
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I put pics and videos in separate places, and from there, it's by model name/source/scene/pic.jpg or vid.wmv or whatever.

That's the structure I've been using for quite a few years. I helps because when I notice a model under a different name and I can recall her "standard" name in my system, I can put them together.

This just happened this morning when I found a "Monica" I'd gotten some time ago from one site that I just also happened to realize was Mia Ross.

Organizing first by site wouldn't work for me because I'd have way too many folders of different models under some of the sites, such as MetArt.

And as it is, I've got long listings by site of some models. Susana Spears, for example, from 33 different sites.

The models are what I'm after, anyway. The sites are just ways to them. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Sep 23, 2008, 03:47pm

09-20-08  09:56am - 5937 days #5
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While I'm certainly not an economist, I doubt that US dollar-based interest rates are going to rise much, if any, over the next few months given the US financial sector/mortgage/leave-room-for-the-next-thing crisis. That's at least one important factor that's going to keep it low. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

09-19-08  04:26pm - 5938 days #84
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Well, exotics, I checked out the "Me llamo Richardo Queso!" lounge-lizard salsa treatment of "Sunday Bloody Sunday." And "Enter Sandman" and "Welcome to the Jungle." It is funny and amazing how well it works! Yet it also kinda makes me think of that old Bill Murray act on SNL.

Thanks for the tip. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

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