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01-30-12  11:22pm - 4710 days #18
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Originally Posted by pat362:

There are some great things to apprecciate when it comes to the US political system but I too often find that they are over shadowed by all the waste of money.


Some would say the "great things" include our success at wasting money. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-30-12  11:21pm - 4710 days #17
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^I don't remember the exact number but I do know that Obama has a lot of money for his re-election campaign. I don't think he's any better than the Republican in that regard and I think that is too bad.


The New York Times' website is saying Obama has raised just under $100 m, while Romney has raised about $32 m (which, considering his personal fortune, could probably be done just by looking for loose change in the couch).

Hey, California's 2010 governor election supposedly pissed away around $250 m in fundraising money so really the presidential race isn't even lukewarm as this point. I mean c'mon, until a candidate starts dealing in the hundreds of millions of dollars how can we even know he's really serious?

Originally Posted by pat362:


Canadian politics may not be the greatest thing on the planet but a 30 day campaign doesn't leave a lot of space for the parties to waste money on negative advertising.


30 days?! Pffft, lightweights. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Jan 30, 2012, 11:24pm

01-30-12  11:05pm - 4710 days #37
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'm not sure that pornography is of no concern to people in power because they can't all be ignorant to the fact that porn helps the economy since States make money from the taxes they collect from the different porn related companies in their region. I just think that they are politicians and supporting porn is almost never looked in a favorable light by the population at large. Not too mention that the religious right is a small group but has has a loud voice that can be heard in ewvery level of the Government.


Many of them certainly seemed to be ignorant of the economic factor when they voted to require condom use in LA. Is it to anyone's surprise that the one dissenting vote was from the councilman representing San Fernando Valley, where people are most likely to see the economic consequences of this new law firsthand? Especially considering the state of the economy in general, including the entertainment industry and most specifically porn, people may soon find that they really care about jobs more than STDs.

And on your point about the religious right and their voice in governmental affairs (usually so as to hassle consenting adults from being able to freely enjoy their private lives), isn't Utah--a state with large majorities of Mormons in all levels of their government--also one of the bigger consumers of online porn? I'll admit my own bias here and personally blame it on there not being enough to do in Utah, but isn't it also a sign of political loudmouths not wanting to own up to the fact that their rhetoric doesn't even pass the smell test? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-28-12  07:09pm - 4712 days #15
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^No but I think this is what it takes to prove to every American that you have to be an old white rich guy to even consider making a bid for the Republican Party. In a time when The US is still suffering from one of their worst recession. You can still get a few white guys to spend
discusting amounts of money on a nomination.


And then there's the prediction that Obama could raise as much as a billion dollars for his 2012 campaign. A billion!

To be fair that's never been mentioned as an actual goal from anybody in his camp, but according to the FEC's website he raised $780 m in his 2008 campaign. So it doesn't sound impossible, even if it does make it seem like you need to be able to afford to simply buy your own country with the amount of cash you raise running for U.S. president (which has got to be more fun than having to win an election ). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-28-12  04:38pm - 4712 days #13
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


We've certainly had ENOUGH of the Republican "message," haven't we????


One wouldn't think so with the 10,000 or so debates the GOP are currently having in the run-up to their eventual nomination.

Does it really take this long to let people know how much you hate gays, the poor, unions, and of course our secret-Muslim, Kenyan-born, do-nothing, tyrannical president? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-28-12  04:24pm - 4712 days #12
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^Your's and every other Countries military is expensive but the US was already paying them a salary whether they were seeing any action or were in a base. The difference here is that they saved at least 1.5 millions in hostage money.


Yes we saved $1.5 m in hostage money, but probably spent more on the rescue mission itself. Hell, it supposedly cost $4 m just for Obama's 2011 Christmas vacation (and I'm assuming no one was even being held hostage). But it's probably a lot cheaper than invading Somalia (again) and then waiting until we had another Black Hawk Down incident.

It isn't about the money so much as the PR of not paying off hostage takers--in public of course, because like you said...

Originally Posted by pat362:


It's not really advertised but I think every Country pays hostage money. If they didn't then the pirates wouldn't be taking hostages on a regular basis. Mind you if more Countries start to take the hard approach then we may see a serious decline in pirate activity


Wealthy individuals, not just governments, can pay ransoms too. And who governments pay off/sell arms to in secret is quite unsettling. Some of the achievements in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have probably come about just because the U.S. threw enough money at people to promise to not try and attack our forces anymore. And it also made the more greedy and adequately armed simply grab and turn in civilians as "terrorists" so they could collect reward money from us.

Sometimes I don't think this stuff would even be believable as the plot of a cheap thriller novel, yet somehow we made it a reality. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-27-12  03:18am - 4713 days #14
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


I ask this Ed because it makes me wonder if people would just let the porn go vs having to pay for it?


I don't think that those will realistically ever be viewers' only options.

People are certainly willing to pay for some things--the fetishistic consumerism surrounding every release of the latest Apple doodad comes to mind--but are just as willing to openly not pay for things as well.

It's really up to the seller to figure out the level of quality and the corresponding price to attract paying customers. I remember the late '90s and the music industry's howls over Napster's success. The consumers responded: we hate paying for a full album when we only want certain songs, you litigious assholes.

But eventually technology actually helped things out, if not exactly making up for the industry's bungles. MP3s, which helped make Napster practical, became the new way to buy and listen to music, and now you have iPods (fucking Apple again...) and people paying for music.

And like Cybertoad mentioned already, the movie industry is trying to figure out how it's going to handle its pirates now that technology is making downloading and saving entire movies possible. I'm hoping they use their brains and not just their wallets but I wouldn't bet on an outcome that doesn't piss off a good chunk of the movie going public.

As an example of angering your customer base, remember Netflix and its mob-angering price raise last summer? Hundreds of thousands of customers bailed and the company lost money as a result, so these asinine decisions do have consequences. Maybe someone learned something from all that. Maybe not. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-27-12  02:44am - 4713 days #9
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Originally Posted by pat362:


^I don't know if people realise just how much money those pirates make with all these hostage taking and so forth. It's a major plague on the entire planet's economy because
the money being paid out has to come from somewhere and it's you and I that pay. The pirates refused 1.5 millions because they wanted more money. So that means that the SEAL would not have been used if the pirates had accepted that amount. That's 1.5 millions for 2 people.

Negotiations is no longer an option with pirates because they keep asking for huge amounts of money on a regular basis and we can no longer afford these amounts.


Not to burst your bubble, but our military isn't free either (though woe to the politician who dares to even suggest cutting a single penny from our sacred defense budget).

I just thought we (the U.S. I'm speaking of) didn't negotiate with these types of people--officially at least. The thinking is that you give them an inch and they will literally try and take a mile. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-19-12  09:14pm - 4721 days #15
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


As far as Raging Buddhist's comment about "why did she", for me, that tends to get raised for breast implants and lip explosions.


Lip explosions?! That sounds incredibly painful! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-19-12  09:10pm - 4721 days #14
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'm an old fart about piercing so a couple of hearings in each ear is about as much as I want to see. The tongue or belly button are 2 of the worst places to get piercings because the chances of getting an infection are very high so evetime I see a performer with one of those than the first thing that pops in my mind is that.


Much of a germaphobe?

If they're performers then I'm betting they have a couple of other types of infections to worry about. LA's recent condom law proposal definitely isn't about piercings.

Originally Posted by pat362:


The other is that girls with pirced tongues sound funny. They have a kind of lisp that is slightly annoying. I find nipple and clit piercings to be plain dumb.


This seems to be a part of the generational difference. Though every generation has a number of people who are pretty picky, the younger generations--whatever the hell they're being called this week--seem to progressively care less and less about what others do to and with their bodies. "If it's not my body, so be it," the philosophy seems to go.

A woman's more polite standard response to your charge that nipple and clit piercings are plain dumb might be something along the lines of "Then when you grow a clitoris, don't get it pierced!"

Though I'm hardly an expert when it comes to the opposite sex (some might even call me a quack), I suggest that when it comes to discussing personal body modification with today's "youth" that if you're not particularly approving of something then it's best to not get too preachy. Women in Western societies seem to be raised to maintain constant vigilance over what others (i.e., men on the prowl) are thinking about how they look.

So the responses to a "your tattoo/piercing/implant/whatever that thing is" comment can range from an angry "Go fuck yourself!" to a really depressing crying episode. And no one really wants any of that. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-17-12  09:36pm - 4723 days #77
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Originally Posted by pat362:


That wouldn't surprise me and that's why many studios have some big decisions to make this year in regards to futur porn shoots in the US.


I wonder if there are major hurdles to shooting in Las Vegas (at least DVD content). It already handles numerous adult conventions and is home to a lot of strip clubs and other adult-oriented entertainment. Oddly enough prostitution is legal throughout Nevada except Vegas, so maybe that would put an extra burden on production since they would have to be able to convince police that it's strictly a porn business their running.

I found a blog post from three years ago saying that there's only a legal precedent for shooting in California (it doesn't say just southern California) but in theory it could probably be defended in court as being legal anywhere else in the U.S.

Found another post from 2008 wondering if a hefty tax (25% ) on porn would simply push it out of the San Fernando Valley, because the writer doesn't "think the fixed costs of production are very high, and I bet that workers in this industry are fairly mobile too."

There's got to be more than just fewer regulations (for now) and a temperate climate keeping so much of American porn production there. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-17-12  01:09am - 4723 days #28
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Originally Posted by BubbaGump:


If consuming porn is a priority then the Ipad is less practical. It is certainly not a porn-free deivce, however, as Apple touts for PR. you usually just have to take an extra step by synching to get most porn onto the device from imports.


For all the supposed "genius" of Steve Jobs--even I admit the guy had at the very least a lot of business smarts--I sometimes wonder what he was thinking in being vocally anti-porn. Especially considering what porn has done for and to the Internet (and what the "i" stands for in so many of Apple's devices) as well as what "videos" and "photos" really means to a lot of computer owners. (Hint: nobody is so overwhelmed with all the videos and photos of their kids that they need to buy terabytes of hard drives to keep them organized.)

It makes me smile thinking how much porn has been created, manipulated, saved, etc. with Apple products. The sheer number of porn videos edited with Final Cut Pro (Apple's professional editing software) alone would probably send shivers down more than a few Apple employees. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-17-12  12:51am - 4723 days #72
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Originally Posted by BubbaGump:


This goes beyond condoms. A self-regulating industry is key to keeping the Feds off your back. Obviously, I am a consumer of the industry. However, this has not blinded me to the fact that the industry has failed to self-regulate itself and has never been proactive. That is its Achiles heel. Some industry players usually never get it until the shit hits the fan.

Critics realize that an outright ban on pornography is a pipe dream. What the critics and opponents are doing with the porn industry is the same thing that was done against tobbaco use--don't ban it, demonize it, in the hopes that consumption will slowly diminish over time.


I agree that the industry is pretty notorious for its indifference until things are too late--hence they only seem to understand things after they are dragged into court. Still its hard to imagine how things would have developed--or worse, devolved into a truly warped anything-goes black market--if you didn't have Larry Flynt pissing off our judicial system by reminding them we have a Bill of Rights, or had Traci Lords never made any films when she was underage.

Porn is big business and still growing, but it always seems to operate on a precarious line between barely tolerated free speech and just obscene enough for the anti-sex nitwits to gather their pitchforks. Add to this how easy it is for any sanctimonious politician looking to pick up a few values voters to criticize it--while many of those same voters gladly consume said filth in private--and you don't exactly have something that might find a lot of sympathy from the law.

Originally Posted by BubbaGump:


If my goal is to gain acceptance and deflect the criticism of my detractors who say I am insane and should be avoided, this is not the way to do it.


Except I don't think the industry is interested in gaining acceptance, just a constant flow of paying customers. Unfortunately the more they ignore the critics and don't actively defend themselves, including with self-regulation, the more it will hurt them.

Granted the AIDS test requirements were a start, but how accurate or helpful is an STD test unless its done immediately before every shoot? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-17-12  12:25am - 4723 days #71
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Originally Posted by pat362:


You might be right but if that's true then why have they never passed a law legalising porn like LA did? I think a huge part of why Kink has been so successful is that they bought an abandoned historical building and they've poured their money into renovating it. I'm not so sure San Fran would be all that open to many porn studios moving shop into their city and starting to shoot porn on a regular basis like they currently do in LA.


I'm betting San Francisco would require way too much regulation to attract a lot of porn studios. They're tolerant of a lot of things there but at the same time seem to have a lot of laws by way of the city's government, though the PU'ers from the area could probably offer a lot more insight on this. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-15-12  01:55am - 4725 days #68
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Originally Posted by BubbaGump:


Disease time. There is a current legal debate about whether California industry workers should have to use condoms for vaginal sex, out of health concerns for the models. IMO that's the least of the health concerns if you are doing these things. It's funny that someone probably wouldn't eat a piece of candy that was dropped on the floor but would agree to put a wiener in their mouth that was just inside of a butt containing about ten kinds of harmful bacteria, and feces.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but since when did anyone in the U.S. show that much concern for the heath and safety of workers in any industry?

I feel that the people ultimately driving most of these condom regulations are just puritanical moralists masquerading as people that supposedly care about performers' safety. It's like the anti-drunk driving movement really being an anti-alcohol movement.

Though I'm sure many of the tell-all memoirs from porn stars in the last few years read like it, I doubt we'll see an equivalent of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle for porn anytime soon. (And at this point in the wake of the tsunami of 'net porn it would probably just turn readers on, not off. )

And I'm betting condom rules will just push studios either away from LA or from DVDs to purely online content (little to no regulation) or both. Or worse they will simply not comply at all. If consumers don't want to see condoms then they will push the industry to react accordingly--demand will trump dumb laws every time. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-15-12  01:39am - 4725 days #67
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Originally Posted by pat362:


One of my favorite studio is Kink and all their content is shot in San Francisco. The people who own that studio are geniuses because they bought an abandoned armory in 2007 and converted it to a gigantic porn studios. The owners are working on restoring and renovating the buklding to it's original splendour so that it's a gorgeous historical building from the outside and an hiden porn studio on the inside. This way the People at Kink can shoot porn with the blessing of the surrounding community and the city of San francisco.


No offense to the good people of San Francisco but it's not exactly a city that would be reluctant to give a porn studio its blessing. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-15-12  01:18am - 4725 days #13
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


I've had two - both died within two months. But, if this is anything like any other forum where they discuss hard drives, you'll get people on both sides of the fence. Some will love a brand/model, some won't.


I have one that's about four years old I think, so I guess my experience is good in that I've had it long enough to not even remember when I bought it.

But I agree when it comes to hard drives the opinions get ridiculously polarized. Reviews from "I never buy anything else" to "I'll never buy this again!" aren't exactly helpful. Combine this with the wide range of uses people are putting them through and the fact that hard disk drives simply don't last forever and it can be kind of a gamble.

Short of buying a higher end drive that's more for professionals (or people with big wallets) it can be kind of a crapshoot. Hell, I still use a 300GB Maxtor from 2005 for saving/backing up my more important stuff--i.e., it's the one hard drive lucky enough to have not been desecrated with my porn habit--and it sounds like a mosquito buzzing in my ear every time I turn it on...so who knows.


Originally Posted by njslut:

get with the times use the Cloud for online storage.

Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


Online storage isn't the best solution for people with bandwidth caps. If I had a catastrophic drive failure on a heavily loaded 2 TB drive and had to download everything back to a new drive, I'd have to stop downloading anything else for about 7 months. To me, the best options are either setting up a RAID array or simply start regular copying of important files to drives that stay offline. I use the second method. I just lost a 1.5 gig and all I had to do was copy the files back from the externals.


It's also not the best solution for us more paranoid downloaders out there. I don't need some company having direct access to my collection when I probably already have an Internet provider whose site history of me would probably make most people's hair stand on end.

I let Google rifle through my e-mails and pretend they really mean it when they say "Don't be evil" but I don't want to take that chance with what I choose to put on my hard drives.

Hmm...maybe I should just finish my collection, move out to Montana and seclude myself in some walled-off compound while I argue with the voices in my head over what will really bring about the fall of America. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-15-12  12:55am - 4725 days #22
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


Even if it played video (which it doesn't), I'd damn near need a microscope for this one. Killer computer - dinosaur phone.




I guess you have to use your imagination, or call one of those phone sex lines and hope your call isn't dropped. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-28-11  10:15pm - 4743 days #15
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Any Halo and Call Of Duty or Battle Field fans ?


I did get the latest version of Battlefield for PS3--a lot of fun in solo campaign but I haven't gone online yet (since it's not free and I'm a frugal cheapskate ). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-27-11  06:56pm - 4744 days #27
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Originally Posted by elephant:


I'm sure new wives in the internet age embrace and respect a guys spank bank and maybe merge her porn collection when you wed, or am I just dreaming.


You must be dreaming because that situation--merging spank banks--would make even cold-hearted cynics like me want to get married.

However I prefer the more accurate term "vag vault" and I'm not so sure a women would have this (though to be fair I probably have way more boners on my hard drives than I'd care to count...). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-27-11  06:33pm - 4744 days #9
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I think a better solution for the Xbox is a fan pulling the hot air out of the console instead of shooting cooler air in.


Yes, and I think this is how most of the aftermarket cooler attachments work. Still you would think Microsoft would have redesigned a cooler version like Sony does with slimmer Playstations. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-27-11  12:09am - 4745 days #6
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Originally Posted by pat362:


My only major issue with the XBox is in regards to a known defect on the console. They overheat like there is no tommorrow. The dealer told us to be careful and monitor the heat. My cousing told us to put a small fan near the unit to help blow cooler air in the console.


That sucks, and you'd think that by now Microsoft would understand the importance of keeping electronics cool, especially in a gaming machine that might be on for hours at a time (only theoretically--not that anybody actually plays video games for hours at a time ).

I wouldn't recommend having a fan blow on any electronic device, because even though it can blow cool air it will also introduce dust, dirt, farts, queefs, and basically whatever else is in the air into it--not good. There are a number of cooling products out there, and also consider putting it up on a small wire shelf to have airflow on all sides.

I have a PS3, which does get pretty warm too, but I would never want a fan blowing on it. Maybe play outside if you're far enough north? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-22-11  12:04am - 4750 days #15
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I'm a big fan of the girl-and-car niche and this looks like it might be worthwhile checking out.


Can you or anyone else here explain this niche?

Seriously, I've lost the number of times I've seen a site, otherwise completely unrelated to cars, post some set with a hot girl and (I guess) a nice car. Sometimes it's like the photographer at least attempted to have the shoot make sense and the girl's washing the car or checking the oil (because girl + automotive maintenance = hot!?). Other times they seem to have just said fuck it and the model is just posing and apparently testing the lube resistance of the leather upholstery.

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12-21-11  11:53pm - 4750 days #30
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Originally Posted by Capn:


'Look I have to go to work in five minutes & I simply have to get my rocks off first!


I'd be the first to admit I'm impatient but if I get my rocks off then I'm not making it to work.

And if I start browsing my collection then I'm done for. My computer's like some sort of crappy time machine that takes you a couple of hours into the future in minutes and gives you a free dose of shame in the process. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-21-11  11:47pm - 4750 days #29
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I keep blaming the age of the average porn user which is probably anywhere between 18 and 25. Mature folks (over 30) prefer more drawn out versions involving a leisurely strip before sex, while younger males (oh, yes, I remember my youth) tend to be more impatient and want to get straight to the action. If the model is talking, or slowly stripping, it seems to be "fast forward" for that age group all the way.


Hey, that means I'm above average--thanks!

However, if you're right about what "Mature folks" prefer then I might as well give up my collection entirely when I hit 30. No offense, but if I wanted drawn out porn then I would watch a softcore movie, not whatever Kink.com is dreaming up/debating whether it's even legal. It's fantasy and entertainment, and I don't fantasize nor am I very entertained by some romantic backstory nonsense. Some stories are pretty funny and totally cheesy, just because most real life situations don't involve someone saying "Now let's fist your pussy!" (at least not many that I'm aware of).

But often I feel that if there's too much emphasis on the story then the payoff isn't worth watching, or at least the buildup itself isn't worth the time. Sometimes, especially if you don't understand the language, the story can be worth it because the dialogue goes over your head and you just try and decipher the chaos of boners, tits, and semi-related drama. "Oh, he is a doctor, and that's why he needs to bone this female patient...and his secretary...and her friend who's at his office for some reason. I don't think she has an appointment, much less is even within the doctor's coverage. This story sucks!"

And when I watch the occasional Max Hardcore video, I understand the language well enough, but no matter what the actors say the plot always seems to be some sort of kidnap-rape horror story that's set in Southern California. It's sort of like Groundhog Day, but instead of reliving the same day we're seeing the same therapy-inducing sex stunts being committed over and over again.

Originally Posted by messmer:


BTW, all this is pure guess work and highly subjective, I have no statistics to back me up when it comes to the average porn user so your take is every bit as valid.


Which is why I try and not guess too much about older porn users. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-21-11  11:02pm - 4750 days #17
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The only reason I can see for keeping huge volumes of porn is the occasional discovery of some gem that you forgot you downloaded. Really though, it's just a mindset. I never download whole sites because I only want the stuff I like and will look at. I guess you could liken it to some food snob who raves about five star meals but disses the all you can eat buffet.


I'm more of the type of snob who bitches about the all-you-can-eat porn [insert joke here] and then goes home and eats McDonalds.

It's easy to complain about porn that's not up to your standards when you have so much choice to begin with, but what's wrong with knowing what you like? Or might possibly like one drunken Sunday afternoon in the future when your wife's not home? I don't feel guilty cruising the aisles of the grocery store knowing there are starving people around the world, so why I should feel guilty navigating and downloading masses of porn knowing there people around the world who are, what, not completely adult entertained?

What I'm getting at is even though I keep and have plenty of stuff I most definitely like, I also have a lot of stuff that I sometimes open up and think "I downloaded and saved this? What the fuck!?"

And then I keep it anyway just in case I for some reason broaden my tastes even more in the future--and assuming I don't end up married to an otherwise amazing girl who gives the drives the ol' heave ho (from my cold dead hands! ).

(I wonder, do new wives in the age of Internet porn toss out husbands' spank banks like they do the traditional throwing of the bouquet?)

Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


When it comes to food I'm all about mass quantities but when it comes to porn I'm a high class snob ... although most would say I'm just in a class by myself.


And what class would that be? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by messmer:




Nietzsche also wrote: If you go to a woman don't forget the whip! So his ideas are not entirely trustworthy.


Yeah, he was pretty sexist (there were already more progressive writers around when he was alive) and he never married, so take it all with a grain of salt. Or don't take it all, since I've never been married and generally don't speak to kindly on the subject...

However, I would like to think I would be able to talk to my partner about nearly anything and at length if so desired. I mean if you can't communicate how are you going to get along? Hell, even sex doesn't seem to work in porn all the time!

Originally Posted by messmer:


Sorry if I have embarrassed anyone by being so personal.


No worries, we start talking about headphones and end up with some members sharing personal stories. I still say this is one of the few forums that can actually do that.

Thanks for sharing. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by messmer:


I'm afraid I am all alone when it comes to that. My wife knows that I like to look but would not ever consider watching porn with me! No, it's only pervy old me and my trusty computer when it comes to roaming the dark side!




You make it sound like you're Darth Vader...but married and more interested in porn than fighting the Rebel Alliance.

Maybe Nietzsche had a point when he wrote about marriage: "When entering into a marriage one ought to ask oneself: do you believe you are going to enjoy talking with this woman up into your old age? Everything else in marriage is transitory, but most of the time you are together will be devoted to conversation."

So if you can still hold a conversation the porn really shouldn't matter so much. (Of course at my age conversation is one of the last things I look for in a partner. ) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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The only time when I think masturbation would be cheating is if doing so makes you less likely to want to have sex with your significant other. Of course I find it hard to believe that your hand is ever more appealing than your partner but I like to cover all possibilities.


I would think that masturbation would just make it less likely for you to pop your load in a couple minutes, and maybe also relieve some of the tension in the relationship. I never feel like getting in an argument with anyone after I've polished one off, I'm sure women feel much the same too.

However if you're spying on your neighbor's wife while you're wrestling your trouser snake that could definitely be a problem (unless that's how your neighbors and partner likes it). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Dec 11, 2011, 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by Capn:


It comes back to that old chestnut of values & perceptions.

Differing societies find different things acceptable & offensive.
Right or wrong is a perception decided by that society's values.

Personally I think whatever happens in a persons fantasy is their own business & provided it does not intrude detrimentally into the real world that is OK.


A lot of religions would disagree with you. My stance against mind control is one of many reasons I'm not religious, plus I don't think religion is really going to be much good against strong thoughts anyway (or strong forearms for that matter ). Try oppressing thousands of years of instinct and evolution and the results will not be pretty.

But seriously if a fantasy intrudes into the real world then it's no longer a fantasy. It's why I can play Grand Theft Auto all day long, and no matter what the self-appointed moralists say, I'm not actually doing anything wrong until I go out and run over a real hooker. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Why is it not Gay porn when two guys are doing one girl
and their penis come in contact with each others?


It's like friendly fire, it's unfortunate when it happens but it's a risk that people are aware of and they accept it as such (or just totally roll with it!). Sometimes if the girl is giving a double blowjob she'll cross swords on purpose, I guess to see how much the dudes are into it. And considering how much guys lust after women I'm sure many would actually be willing to accept that!

Now double vaginal or double anal gets pretty crazy, because at that point you've gotta being feeling as much guy as you do girl.

Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


If two girls start and a guy joins in?
Under what niche is it straight or Lez ?


Both, or group, or just lez to attract more viewers.

At this point, standard hardcore seems to only cover guy-girl (1 guy + 1 girl) porn and nothing more, though plenty of sites use multiple tags to cover all their bases, and again to get more viewers.

Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Is it cheating to a spouse if you watch porn and don't masturbate?


I'm sure it is to some spouses. Hell, just thinking about watching porn is cheating to some women!

It's not really that women are insanely jealous, as much as a possibility as this is, but that they might feel inadequate compared to the acrobatic nymphs and their sex stunts on the screen (and they're probably not too keen on taking up anal fisting just gain their partner's undivided attention). It's cheating in an emotional sense, where a guy might have physical lust for his girl and never dip his pen in someone else's ink, but he has emotional lust for the ladies on his computer and keeps looking at them and building his collection.

The problem is that so many guys think it's harmless and innocent fun, while so many girls think it's more than just a fantasy or simple adult entertainment. It’s two competing points of view that can cause a lot of friction in a relationship. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by Monahan:

My favorite question to geeks - Give me your best guess as to what the features and price of new computers will be in 2016 (5 years from now).


And one more to add to my predictions:

• Monitors will add a lot more touchscreen capabilities and maybe do away with physical buttons altogether.

And be totally wireless! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


As the wild-west becomes tamed I think the Dark or Hidden the internet will become more popular. As my guess is as the Cloud becomes a mainstream, porn and adult search engines will end because of government intervention.

There may even become Adult only ISP accounts, where if anyone lives in the house under 18 you can not get one.
There are already some limitation in real life, like stores that sell porn or liquor you can not bring kids in.
Same idea, as they find that parent supervision over porn use is a joke.

My friends and I talk about this stuff often and we feel a new kid will be on the block soon to change the way things are done. Our fear is and its real is the new kid will come in at the form of government regulation suite !


I love the idea of an adults-only Internet provider, or even better an adults-only Internet!

As I'm neither a child nor a parent I don't need every other site treating me like one or the other (or occasionally both ). A few seconds on Google and you're corrupted--at least if you know what you're doing--and yet they still default their image search engine to "SafeSearch."

The NSFW (Not Safe For Work) warnings make sense sometimes but if you're getting those you probably shouldn't be perusing that site anyway. Or what's "safe" for work is such a wide range of things that pretty much everything on the web is okay to look at in some work setting somewhere. For example, I'd imagine doing research on pregnancy--and not pregnant women porn! --would bring up plenty of "objectionable" material. Hell, try research breastfeeding and I bet some are risking a warning from either the tech guy or the boss. Maybe a Not Safe For Politically Correct Work warning would help.

Still the idea of Congress or any other governmental body attempting to regulate the Internet, or more specifically its content, sends chills down my spine and swear words out my mouth. I really feel I've been spoiled by the web compared to the fairly mainstream groupthink mentality of TV and print media. Spend a little time researching something on the Internet and the breadth and depth of information, whether good or bad, is amazing compared to how TV and print sources present things.

And this may be the problem--no control! Oh my! People are looking at uncensored opinions and media! Sorry, but when people try to control what I read, watch, and listen, then I feel as if they are trying to control how I think. And considering the abundance of socially outdated, technologically ignorant dinosaurs in charge of so much of the government this does not sit well with me.

Oh, and you make a good point too, Cybertoad. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by Monahan:


My favorite question to geeks - Give me your best guess as to what the features and price of new computers will be in 2016 (5 years from now).


• Hard drives will be considerably bigger, and hopefully many companies will build computers with SSDs or moving towards using that technology.

• I wouldn't be surprised if many models are available with no disc drives.

I know this one sounds crazy, but we are moving away from physical media and it could be entirely possible that in the future you only purchase software in digital formats and back it up to something else if you choose. Recovery discs could be replaced with a thumb drive that ships with the computer and you watch all your Netflix (or Blockbuster ) online--assuming those companies are still around in 5 years.

• I'm hoping wireless becomes the standard for input devices like keyboards and mice while also utilizing rechargeable or even solar batteries (which already exist).

• USB 3.0 (or 4.0 by then?) should be in everything, even the products of stubborn Apple engineers, but something even faster and more versatile may be available--and also wireless! (And it doesn't give you a tumor in the process! )

• Price? <$1000 easily for a decent laptop or desktop, and hopefully Internet porn habits won't become prohibitively expensive. And big monitors and good projectors will become even more affordable as well.

Originally Posted by Ed2009:

I think the trend away from desktops towards portable machines will continue, but also cloud computing (which I'm not keen on) will start to gain ground properly so processor speed/ram etc. will become much less of an issue than Internet connection speed.


• Ram and processing power will keep improving. No reason not to keep boosting a computer's power, plus it goes against Moore's Law. (Okay, the law is not supposed to be very accurate in a few years, but still.)

And the problem with faster Internet isn't a technological challenge per se, but more of a political/corporate issue. I'm not sure how it works in the UK but in the U.S. there are a few giant media/technology/whatever corporations that control high speed web access for most citizens. And they do business with profit in mind, not what's the best in terms of speed or innovation--i.e. consumers can go fuck themselves if they have a problem.

Again, this is a major issue that would require a change in the entire political environment of the federal government, which is highly influenced and driven by moneyed interests, or corporate citizens, not human citizens. I also see Internet freedom decreasing as well, especially considering recent proposed bills that give the government more power to seize and possibly censor websites. And even if the public sector ultimately never did that the cynic in me says that private corporations would be more than happy to do the job.

So, my : Hopefully I'm right about computers getting way faster and cheaper but the 'net still remains a sort of digital Wild West. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Dec 11, 2011, 08:33am (turboshaft: Spelling issue)

12-07-11  06:36pm - 4764 days #16
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Originally Posted by messmer:


It doesn't necessarily take a high quality pair of headphones to get good sound. We ordered ours from Amazon for around $ 8.00. They are light, they are not heavily padded, which is a plus for us, and the volume can be adjusted which is important if two people listen at the same time. I use a splitter to connect both my wife's and my headphones to the TV and we truly get amazing quality stereo when watching HD. Some outside noise might get in without the extra padding but since there are only two of us living in the apartment that's not a problem.


Either way, at least you get to enjoy your porn viewing habits with your wife--and in HD! (I'd assume that's what you're watching together, right?) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-06-11  08:03pm - 4765 days #10
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I wish they made good quality wireles ear buds but for fidelity movie watching they sound tinny according to reviews technology is not theer with mini headphones.


It also may be because it's damn near physically impossible to block out background noise without completely surrounding the ears. Ear buds may be handy but they don't overcome the way the human ear works to pick up sounds, which is also why they can lead to more hearing loss than headphones since people overcompensate by cranking the volume.

I am always aware of the difference in quality between a good pair of headphones that surround the ear and ear buds in just how much white noise bullshit I hear. Nothing worse then to have your favorite band, porno soundtrack, or both being drowned out by annoying noise. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-03-11  02:22am - 4768 days #18
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I remember paying 125.00 for a 25mb HD ( no misspelling)
back in the very early 80's.
I think we became spoiled and used to the vast amount of data.
The first nude photos me and my pals would trade on 1.2 and 1.44 floppies. You could fit maybe 5 pics if you were lucky.


I remember in the mid to late '90s seeing one of the digital cameras that our high school used. It utilized a 3.5" floppy to record and (frequently) transfer photos to a computer. A 3.5" isn't huge but it does require a fairly bulky piece of hardware to fit into and this camera was DSLR-sized apparatus but without the lens. Never mind how hilariously limited you were to the max number of pics you could fit before having to download (and they were fairly lo-res at that).

Now you can buy multi-gig cards that can record a few thousand RAW photo files (and these aren't small file sizes either) for relatively little money. Ah, the future!

Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


In 1956 a 5 MB (megabyte) Hard Disk IBM launched the 305 RAMAC, the first computer with a hard disk drive (HDD). The HDD weighed over a ton and stored data equal to about 3 floppy disks (our current computers don't even have a floppy drive).
Now Ipods hold 32gigs in my pocket.


Lol.

There's an old Simpsons episode where Apu, the Indian Kwik-E-Mart employee, was remembering how he came to America to study computer science and Professor Frink (the Simpsons' Jerry Lewis parody) is showing his students the school's computer room with its massive hardware and saying, quite seriously, "But I predict that within 100 years computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings in Europe will own them."

Fortunately he seems to be way off! (The joke of course plays upon the fact that serious engineers and scientists have for decades predicted and worked towards doing basically the opposite.) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by graymane:


Ever notice those scene-stealers .. you know, gals with melon-sized hooters who're boundlessly obsessed with their anatomic gift? Aria Giovanni has got to be the worst. Well over two-thirds of almost every video scene she's done has her hands endlessly squeezing, massaging, tweaking, cupping, licking, nipple-flipping, and any other known manipulation -- all the while sporting a smile that would personify "goofy".


Maybe, but if you were endowed with such "gifts" what would you be doing with them?

Hell, I'm just an average guy (I hope! ) and I do or try to do as much as you just described above and nobody's even bothering to film me. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by graymane:


One might also take into account once this porn star I've lust for has now unavoidably labeled herself a prostitute, by choosing this course of action, might spawn in my mind a different image than expected that could affect whatever outcome having laid my money down.


Then take a photo with her and then she can count it as behind-the-scenes/research work. Problem solved! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Wow. I wish I were European!


No kidding! While we Americans spend our days dreaming or making an occasional pilgrimage to Nevada the Europeans--or at least the ones living in the more progressive countries--debate whether or not to bed (or whatever said brothel is using) a porn star, or failing that, a part-time porn actress.

Universal healthcare, lower drinking ages, and legalized prostitution--sometimes I think Europeans are doing it just to rub it in our faces. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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As for botox, I know some women actresses had have that done. But is it going into porn already?


I hope it's only going into porn stars and not literally going into porn, I mean who gets off watching a bunch of women receive Botox injections?

Let's all just be lucky they haven't taken the next step and combined Botox treatment with anal bleaching and come up with some sort of way to simultaneously paralyze and bleach girls' precious brown eyes!

- My 2nd porn wish for 2012 (after the above-mentioned Botox-anal bleaching science experiment): studios and producers don't go crazy and try to sue everybody on the 'net who's ever even thought of looking at free porn.

- 3rd: Former adult goddess Sasha Grey drops out of mainstream work, including reading to school children, or going on that goddamn "The View" show, and goes back to the hard and dirty again. Let's call it the "Porn Star Experience."

- 4th: Not just for the wonderful world of porn but technology in general. Hard drive prices come back down, and either Apple or 3rd party companies start manufacturing some Thunderbolt-compatible storage devices (extremely fast transfer speeds, for moving large amounts of, um, "data" very efficiently); or better yet, Apple starts installing USB 3.0 ports to catch up with the times. I know Jobs personally hated porn, but c'mon... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by graymane:


5) We've put men on the moon.... but we've yet to tackle the simple problem of keeping cameramen's shadows and feet out of the footage.


Yeah, but even when we went to the moon the cameraman still got his shadow in the shot. D'oh!

I guess some things never change. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Amia is done with porn. She met someone and has decided to stop doing porn. Not that she was really active but now it's offical.


Two things I hate to hear almost more than anything is 1.) a performer has met someone, so they are leaving the industry, and 2.) that "someone" isn't me!

(Not that an actress could possibly be so unsatisfied with me that she would return to porn. ) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-17-11  07:19pm - 4784 days #15
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Personally, I love Interracial Anal Creampie and Pissing combined ...


Who doesn't?

Originally Posted by Drooler:


Maybe we'll eventually get to the point where it will just be "Anal Creampie and Pissing."


Oh man I hope so. I think this would be a part of my "I Have a Dream" speech (and why most people don't take me seriously when it comes to racial issues ). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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Originally Posted by Capn:


I view it as just being descriptive.
The generic term 'coloured' can be regarded as a PC euphemism.

A lot of black folk I have met have no issue with being referred to as black, but do take exception to the generic 'coloured' description.


In the U.S. "colored" is generally understood to be offensive, if fairly dated as well. Dicitonary.com refers to it as "Often Offensive," while Merriam-Webster says it's "sometimes offensive," so take your pick, but it's not exactly the kindest way to refer to someone's race.

I have a grandparent who still uses the term (she's from the south and nearly 90), though granted she's doesn't speak about race much to begin with. I believe the thing is that it's a term that whites use for "everyone else," sort of as if not being white is an exception to some unwritten rule about race, or ethnocentrism is still alive and kicking.

Edit: As an aside, some people even take offense to the term "black," since outside of race it's generally a negative adjective, while "white" is used to mean good or pure (such as why a bride is supposed to wear white at her wedding). Just as an example, Snow White is a princess, but the evil queen can be considered to have a black heart.

Just my . "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 17, 2011, 07:15pm

11-15-11  09:13pm - 4786 days #17
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Originally Posted by Monahan:


For example, is it possible that JoePa played by the rules and reported the matter to the police and the police, who are for all intents and purposes, part of the University, covered it up?


I doubt this too.

It seems as Paterno would have already told the media he'd reported it to the police and that they did nothing, rather than keeping it under wraps, or basically within a small though hardly powerless group of people in the football program and at the school. Supposedly he's in the clear legally as he reported it to his supervisor, but not reporting it to the police was still in poor judgement if nothing came of him telling his boss.

Firing Paterno and the university's president are probably some of the first appropriate things the school has done in the wake of this scandal. Granted, the board of trustees, who ultimately fired the president, were probably trying to save face and what's left of the school's reputation, but I think they nonetheless made a sensible decision. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-12-11  05:31pm - 4789 days #11
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Actually, the way I read it, the offenses weren't even committed in College but in a group started by the abuser to "help" troubled youth. How ironic and sad.


Unfortunately one of the rapes in 2002 occurred in the shower area of the team's locker room and witnessed by a former player, then graduate student, now suspended-with-pay assistant coach. What's so screwed up here is the guy (you can find out his name easily enough if you want to) first went to his father for advice, who then told him to go to the head coach where the incident was kept quiet with all the others they knew about.

This seems to go against the theory of the bystander effect, where bystanders are less likely to help someone because others are around. Granted the guy told someone, but you think telling it to the police would also happen eventually, especially since it was the rape of a 10 year old. One could assume once it had been reported to the police, though not necessarily the campus police, that this whole thing would have come out in the open then.

Originally Posted by messmer:


Sexual abuse is not restricted to College Football.
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But the sad truth is wherever there are churches with youth groups, scouts, junior sports teams etc. there will be the predators.


I guess one lesson is that as an institution grows in power and size it can become very susceptible to corruption.

Some food for thought: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." and "There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it." "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 12, 2011, 05:34pm

11-11-11  09:11pm - 4790 days Original Post - #1
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I'm sure most PU'ers have heard of the Penn State scandal involving the rape and molestation--not sex--of several kids over a 15 year period by the school's assistant football coach, and the subsequent covering up by people both below and above him as they found out. A number of firings have occurred, though there's still the glaring absence of any serious police action.

Still, despite the natural disgust and rage that these rapes evoke, what I find even worse is a number of the responses to the firings. Most shockingly, some 10,000 students at Penn State, apparently so madly in love with the sport or at least their beloved team, rioted after the firing of Joe Paterno, one of the school's coaches who helped keep the child fucking under wraps.

I admit I have some pretty strong bias here, mostly in that I think not only are most sports a waste of time but the religiosity of their fandom is even worse. (The always quotable and contrarian Christopher Hitchens seems to share my feelings on the subject, quite elegantly in an essay from 2010.) Granted, sports riots are sort of a tradition of the fanbase of popular teams, regardless of whether it's over a victory, defeat, or even a forfeited game. But rioting over the much deserved if long overdue termination of a coach who knew and failed to report a serially pederastic coworker?

Sorry, if any of this sounds harsh, but I'm sick and tired of reading and hearing about this as a "sex scandal," with apologists calling for the team to simply continue playing. I'm not a big fan of kids but I certainly don't condone anything that allows them to becoming easy prey for a fucked up adult, whether it's a priest, a parent, or some deified coach.

So, am I missing something here? I know there are legitimate sports fans here at PU, including one who may have even played college football, if I'm not mistaken. But what makes people so delusional that they feel the strength of their team is more important than, say, a coach who does not buttfuck 12 year-olds in his free time? Please, if possible, explain what makes people (the fans) so crazy in love with sports? Was the riot just a fluke, or part of a greater disconnect between the fans and the decade and a half of child rape by the coach? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-11-11  07:51pm - 4790 days #16
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That and people have been smoking cigarettes for over a 100 years so it's going to be really hard to outlaw it. At least to outlaw it and not have another prohibition. Last time I checked that didn't go so well for the US.


People have been smoking tobacco in some form for much longer than that. And marijuana leaves have been found in the mummified remains of people from thousands of years ago.

The sad part about Prohibition is not just the restrictive idiocy of the law itself but the fact that it empowered organized crime with the immediate demand for bootlegged booze. Simply outlawing something won't change demand, it will just make people work harder or pay more to get what they ultimately want. Adding taxes will overall increase government revenue (which they like) but not dramatically curb demand, though legal demand may drop as illegal sources become more attractive--I guess a sort of Laffer curve for vices.

Worse than Prohibition, the current Drug War has been going on for 40 years since Tricky Dick declared it in 1971! Not only are these organized criminals even more powerful and profitable than our '20s era gangsters but they haven't gotten nearly as dangerous as anyone we've been fighting in the War on Terror.

A rather depressing article I recently read states that the War on Drugs has put more emphasis on the war, with the heavy use of military forces, and little emphasis on the drugs, with virtually no serious consideration of legalization or at least decriminalization. I just hope we don't have to go broke or invade Mexico to understand how wasteful it all has been. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-10-11  10:00pm - 4791 days #7
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Originally Posted by anyonebutme:


But, Rachel Maddow is the Glenn Beck of "the left". Her investigations and reportings rely on a specific overall view on how various groups of people in the world interact with each other. If you share her view of the world, then she is the most knowledged, informative, respected person in the world. If you don't share that view...


I think you're giving her more credit than she deserves. Beck not only had a show on TV, but one on radio, a list of bestselling books, an entire rally on D.C., not to mention those creepy chalkboard gags and an occasional costume change. Plus, his sob story of alcohol abuse before "finding" Mormonism is a better selling bio to cable news audiences than that of a woman who can't get married most places because she's gay.

Like most overtly liberal members of the media she has a viewpoint but wastes too much time trying to be "balanced" rather than defending it the way conservatives do with their own views. Try disagreeing with Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly and see how much their willing to compromise their own "truthiness." "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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