Sex WITH real excitement, at least once in a while
I was asked to express my "expert opinion" on the disagreement between FuckingGambler and BabyGetReal about excitement in FuckingGamble games, and wasn't able to resist the temptation to pose as an "expert" :-), so here go my two cents.
I've took a closer look at game 4 which FuckingGambler is referring to, and IMHO it has much more passion and much more excitement from sex between the models then 99% of all the porn out there. To compare it to DareRing (which BabyGetReal refers to) I've even took a look at my old clips from Dare Ring (hey, now I know why I store all that old stuff :-)) to compare, and found that despite obviously more "amateur" feeling of "Dare Ring", I've felt that FuckingGamble's game 4 players shown significantly more "excitement" about sex then DareRing players (DareRing guys and girls were way too nervous, especially towards the end of the game, which obviously didn't help their excitement). And what is quite obvious to me now is that action is indeed NOT scripted on both DareRing and FuckingGamble (at least because writing and learning all those lines would be an absolute nightmare).
That said, I should add that not all the games on FuckingGamble are made equal. Some (like game 4, game 14, or the most recent game 26) are IMHO very emotional and show real "chemistry" (as FuckingGambler puts it) between the players, but some are less successful in this regard. In addition, I should add that all the above is just my personal opinion, so if your opinion differs, please don't hit me too hard :-).
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
+++ supposedly unscripted action
++ vast variety of games/locations
++ excellent variety of actions
+ action starts from undressing, and progresses to very wild sex
+ models mostly behave believable
++ draw to "witness" next shooting yourself
+ games are integrated into the action
+ very good cameraguy work and lighting
+ online game simulator of the very same game
+ claimed ability to play the same game for real with swinger friends
+ no pre-checked cross-sales (YMMV)
Cons:
- most older games are spoken in local language (not English); it would be a big problem, but it is mitigated by subtitles
- online simulator is limited: it is not 3D, and actions are not animated.
- picture quality is limited (1280x720 at most)
Bottom Line:
This review is one of my reviews of sites which can be described as "videos about people playing sexual games" (see my reviews of SpicyRoulette and LostBetsGames).
FuckingGamble.com is about swingers gathering to play some game for sex. After every game round, winner takes so-called "action card" to see what they will be doing. "Action cards" progress from simple undressing towards the orgy which usually involves all the players. All the game is supposedly mostly unscripted (and I tend to believe it).
Variety of stuff they have is very good.
It includes variety of scenarios (up to 3 guys + 3 girls, as well as a few all-girl scenarios), variety of actions (up to anal/DP, plus variety of toys), and variety of games and locations (from playing cards indoors to paintball or go karts). Games are somewhat integrated into the action (I shall admit that nude girls running on go karts or playing water polo was quite a sight :-) ).
They claim to have it almost 100% unscripted, and even claim to provide an option for one of the members to see it for himself. On Feb 1 they've launched a process of figuring out who's going to go to one of their April shoots; it is too early to say if it is for real or not, but I will try to get there for sure :-) (in their FAQ they're adamant about not allowing to have sex with models, which IMHO makes chances for it to happen better then for sites like BeTheMask).
Quality of videos is very good to excellent. Cameraguy work and lighting are very good. Technically, it is also very decent: most of the games are 1280x720, with bitrates up to 6MBit/s, in both WMV and MP4. They also have an iPod version, which IMHO is the best-quality adult video I've ever seen for iPod. At least one of newer games was Full HD 1920x1080, with bitrates up to 12MBit/s (I didn't try 12Mbit/s, so cannot comment on quality), and they promise to provide more of such stuff soon.
What I also liked is that they provide LOTS of information, including game rules posted on site, upcoming update schedule, locations, etc. FAQ is HUGE and was quite an interesting read at least for me.
In particular, they claim that you can play the very same game for yourself, either in online simulator or with friends. While I'm not 100% sure it is playable for real by swingers, I shall say that they provide VERY elaborated interface for describing your sexual preferences, so it MIGHT work after all. Game in online simulator is IMHO a nice value-added thing, though YMMV.
Now to the negatives. IMHO the biggest drawback is that most of the games are shot in Hungary, and most of dialogues would be lost if not for subtitles. A few newer games were shot in US with English spoken. Another thing is that picture lovers are likely to be disappointed (1280x720 pictures aren't bad, but not as impressive as FEMJOY).
Bottom line: if you like games and are interested in videos, you should at least take a look at their tour. Most likely, you'll either love it or hate it :-).
> but i don`t think that my given information are wrong......
I didn't mean it; what I've actually meant is that I'd like to see more site-specific information which would show why your ratings are different.
> they took another which didn`t accept credit cards or something like
> this. i also think there was no possibility to dl in one part,
> and the older videos had weak quality (wasn`t it dl as a zip?!) you
> are a member of that side right now? does anything changed?
I'm/was a member of a few other kink.com sites (see my reviews of UltimateSurrender and SexAndSubmission), and yes, their billing/authentication system is still a pain in the neck (they do provide alternative billing though, so occasionally it does work :-) ). As for DL as a zip - they usually do have it (you can get whole single episode as a zip, which is enough for me). Cannot be 100% sure about fuckingmachines.com without being their member, but usually such things are quite consistent across different kink.com sites.
Just in case if you do care (if not, please ignore):
What I think is the biggest problem with your reviews, is lack of specific information about the sites - all reviews are quite similar to each other, and it is very difficult to understand why do you rate site higher or lower. I was going to put 'no' trust rating exactly because of 2 your reviews: this one and 'Obscene machines'. Reviews are very similar to each other, and it is not clear why one of the sites got much higher rating (14 point higher - that's quite a lot). Then I went to site home pages and was able to guess what's the difference between them, so your ratings are likely to be consistent (so I didn't put any trust rating for now), but IMHO it should be obvious from reviews too.
Also a side note: as you're into this niche, did you try fuckingmachines.com? It would be nice to see your review/rating of them too (so it will be possible to compare it with other 2 sites you already reviewed).
> in my opinon one single clip is the best possibility even
> if it takes to much space on the computer...
I see; well, I'd prefer it too but I don't mind having single big ZIP either.
> anyway the login was only working after i wrote to the discounter
You're right, login is a well-known problem of all kink.com sites :-( (see my reviews of their other sites - all of them seem to have the same problems with billing/login).
Huh, it seems that you did follow my advice on this site - and liked it :-).
As a side note - what kind of dl options would you like to see in addition to single clip and full episode? ZIP from randomly selected clips? (personally I've never needed anything but 2 options above, and not sure I've seen anything else anywhere, but not sure as I've never paid attention to it :-)).
> Funny how it has been categorized as a 'bizarre fetish' by TBP/PU, sex with clothes on doesn't strike me as that outlandish. :-)
:-)). It just proves that bizarre is in the eye of the beholder too :-).
> Thanks for the technical specs too (sorry if I was giving you a hard time in the forum about that stuff). 05-21-09 12:22pm
As you see, I don't mind providing SOME technical details (though don't expect me to make ALL details from your cheatsheet - I'm too lazy for it :-)). On the other hand, I'm sure that it is MUCH MORE important to provide information like types of actions involved or subjective feelings about the technical stuff (like "pictures are 1024, but VERY clear" or "HD vids are 3MBit/s, but blurry").
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
++ "Fully Clothed" fetish as advertised
++ additional variety because of different clothing and different handling of it
++ EXCELLENT lighting/cameraguy work
+ decent video quality (including HD WMV @3Mbit/s)
+ EXTREMELY clear pictures (despite lower resolution of 1024x683)
+ weekly updates
+ full scene downloads
+ ZIP-ped picture sets
+ access to the rest of OrgyMax network (including PartyHardcore)
Cons:
-- about the same action all the time (2girls+guy, from oral to full sex)
- pictures are of lower resolution (1024x683)
Bottom Line:
Fully Clothed Sex is one of OrgyMax sites. While I've joined OrgyMax because of PartyHardcore (see my review on it), nevertheless I think FullyClothedSex is an addition worthy spending time on writing it's own review.
Overall, this site is about (surprise, surprise ;-) ) Fully Clothed Sex. Several girls (or guys) gather together, but unlike most of the other sites, they don't rush to undress before having sex. It includes all kinds of mini-variations, from the girl just pulling her skirt up and sliding her panties aside, to the guy tearing away her jeans. Action is usually boy/girl/girl with an occasional boy/boy/girl, always oral and full penetration, no anal (at least I didn't find one). Lighting and cameramen work are EXCELLENT.
Answering questions of Wittiguy in comments: while pictures are still 1024x683, they're EXTREMELY clear (not sure if it was the case before). As for videos, now there is an option to download the whole scene (20-25 minutes), and "standard" WMVs are 640x360 @1.1kbit/s, with HD videos added of 1280x720 @3Mbit/s (though as with PartyHardCore, I think they're on a blurrier side for this bitrate).
Bottom line: while I'm not sure this site could stay on it's own (especially with the price like this), I think it is a very good bonus to those who want to join some other OrgyMax site (probably PartyHardcore, though your tastes may vary). Or if you're into exactly this fetish, it should be a very good shot too.
> The price has kept me away.
I'm not surprised; $50/month is really outrageous.
> for such a determinedly rough sex site.
I don't think it's really "rough", there are much rougher sites out there (such as SadoSlaves). Personally I'm not a big fan of rough SM (and especially don't like "abuse" theme), so what turned me on about FunnyBDSM was it's funny part.
> how it compares to Sex & Submission or Chanta's Bitches or Fucked and
> Bound, all sites that I really enjoy.
Depends on your preferences (see my reviews of SexAndSumbission, FuckedAndBound and FunnyBDSM). For "Real BDSM" stories SexAndSumbission IMHO wins hands down, with FuckedAndBound going close second (can't comment on ChantasBitches).
> is the action "fakey?"
For stories NOT labeled as "Real BDSM" - yes, definitely; for "Real BDSM" ones - probably not.
> Interesting stories or just silly stuff?
Depends on your point of view: for me they're interesting, but I won't make any representations :-) - for some they can easily be "silly stuff". Take a look at descriptions of "Heil Dickler" and "Court of Justice" series in public area of the site - they're pretty much accurate.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
+ really funny stories (for not "Real BDSM" episodes)
+ really good setups (costumes and so on)
+ recent videos are of good quality (2MBit/s WMV)
+ lots of episodes
+ dated updates once a week
Cons:
- "Real BDSM" stories have strong "abusing" context
- outrageous price
- older videos are RealPlayer-only
- no "all episode" download
- pics are vidcaps only
Bottom Line:
FunnyBDSM leaves a lot of mixed feelings. First of all, content can be divided into two distinct categories: episodes labeled "Real BDSM" and episodes not labeled as such. "Real BDSM" isn't something really special, but quite usual (and annoying for me) BDSM movies with strong "abuse women" theme. Other episodes (not labeled as "Real BDSM") are mostly fun: while "abuse" theme is also present there, but it's usually so grotesque that neither myself nor models can take it serious; there is no real BDSM there too and it's pretty obvious (yes, they show marks on bodies but they're fake). "Court of Justice" and "Heil Dickler" series are prominent examples of episodes I consider funny. In all the episodes (both "Real BDSM" and not "Real BDSM" ones) there is usually some sex action in addition to BDSM (up to occasional anal).
On technical side: site is updated weekly, and each new episode consists of 2-4 about-5-minute clips. Quality of recent clips is very good (2MBit/s WMV + some RealPlayer), but older ones are RealPlayer-only and aren't as crisp.
Bottom line: if leaving outrageous price out of consideration, clips not marked as "Real BDSM" could be quite interesting for a change; unfortunately, most of recent clips are "Real BDSM". "Real BDSM" clips are about "abuse women" theme rather than "Safe, Sane and Consensual" BDSM (though a few most recent clips seem to migrate in that direction), with medium intensity, including sex.
On site, when subscribing, they just say "90 days membership eur 89.95. Auto renewed every 90 days", and there is no mention of 69.95 price when renewing (which PU/TBP tells about). Would be nice to make it consistent one way or another.
IMHO the way price in EUR is shown on PU/TBP sites ("$34.95 (Euros recurring)") is a bit misleading: "$" implies dollars, and with current rate difference between EUR and USD it's quite a big difference; is it possible to change the display to make it less confusing (for example, to show it as "EUR34.95 (recurring)")?
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
+ black guys on white chicks
+ group action
+ DP, DPP, probably even DAP - you name it
+ despite "victims" in site name, not much pretended abuse
+ reasonable variety for this kind of site
+ easy navigation
+ "one big clip" download
+ access to Jerk-Off Pass network (27 more sites)
+ CCBill as card processor
Cons:
- not updated (TBP lists 35+ episodes back in 2005, now it's 40)
- plot is unbeleivable (but still fun)
- pics are just screenshots (quite blurry 640x480)
- annoying login (with difficult to recognize image recognition), auto-logouts.
Bottom Line:
GangLandVictims is a member of Jerk-Off pass network with 28 sites (including 2 sites currently unlisted by TBP).
It is an interracial site (well-hung black guys on white girls) with a twist: their plot is "one wrong turn and you get gangbanged", with girls supposedly getting lost in black neighborhood and getting banged by a bunch of black guys. Sure it's unbelievable, but the way it is done is surprisingly funny. Girls seem to enjoy scenes, and there is little pretended abuse (despite site name and plot).
There are about 40 episodes on site, each is about 30 min video. Main attraction is video (pics are vidcaps of quite low quality/resolution). All episodes are within theme, and there are tons of anal and DP (almost every episode has DP). Variety is pretty good for this kind of site: not only all positions and twists are tried (including DPP and I think DAP), but also setups are quite different. Cameraguy work and lighting are very average, and so is quality of compression: videos are 640x480 with 1.2MBit/s stream, and quality isn't too good for this high bandwidth; in short - very average site from video quality standpoint.
Bottom line: reasonable site for interracial/group/DP video fans; 1 month membership to grab all you like can be worth it, especially considering network access. Pics should be looked for elsewhere though.
I see, thanks. Things are much worse than, with CCBill probably being the only trustworthy processor to date (at least it wasn't caught doing it - I think they're doing almost the same thing but with checkbox unchecked, and it IMHO changes things dramatically from swindling to not so annoying upsell) :-(.
> generally the trial sites seem to be owned by the same owner of the sites that I'm subscribing too
I used to think so too until I've run into Epoch using the same technique on purchase of Diabolic site selling PornStarsTop, and these 2 sites don't seem to be related (I'd even say they're from very different leagues).
Do you remember what was their credit card processor? Wasn't it Epoch by any chance? I've seen such thing (which I think is nothing short of swindling) a few times recently, and I think it was Epoch all (or at least most of) the time.
Moreover, I'm not even sure if webmasters of original sites get anything from such "trials"; it would be very interesting to see a comment from one of them here (and if Epoch is doing it without consent of webmasters, it can easily find themselves in a DEEP TROUBLE; such company as Diabolic won't hesitate to sue Epoch in such case).
> My company does buissnes in japan with japanese distributors of anime and hentai...
... and your company is somehow affiliated with HentaiKey, isn't it?
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