THANKS FOR THE COURTEOUS REPLY.
I WAS THINKING MY REPLY WAS A BIT SNIPPY.
DID NOT MEAN TO BE.
YOUR POINTS/QUESTIONS WERE CLEAR.
AND IT'S A GOOD QUESTION:
BUT MY GUESS IS THAT PORN IS STILL THE UNWANTED STEPCHILD, THAT IS KEPT IN THE CLOSET.
EXCEPT AT THIS SITE, WHERE WE HAVE A BIT OF ANONYMITY TO SHARE OUR IDEAS.
BY THE WAY, ARE YOU GETTING ANY BETTER DOWNLOAD SPEEDS AT TEAM SKEET?
I ANSWERED NO ONE.
ALTHOUGH, TO BE HONEST, I AM AWARE.
SO THE CORRECT RESPONSE WOULD BE "OTHER".
EXCEPT THAT "NO ONE" WOULD SEEM TO IMPLY: "NO ONE-EXCEPT ME".
HOWEVER, A LOT OF THE PU MEMBERS ARE AWARE THAT I HAVE A STASH.
How you are protected on your credit card information.
And other issues that could be important.
What impresses me is that most paysites do not clearly spell out most of these issues. Or even have a FAQ page that is easily found.
I also like the home page layout, that showcases links to the basic areas of the site/network, making navigation more easily understood.
There's a huge amount of content at the site and network, and the owners deserve credit for making the site layout easy to navigate. As well as credit for packing the site and network with a boatload of good to excellent hardcore porn.
Giving the site (and network) a score of 88.
The site is worth a join. The network access makes it an even better deal.
I USE 720.
I WATCH ON A 14" OR 20" MONITOR.
SO A 1080 FILE WOULD BE WASTED SPACE ON MY HARD DRIVE, WITHOUT ANY IMPROVEMENT IN THE VISUAL IMAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
AND IT SEEMS TO BE TRUE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
I DON'T HAVE A CURRENT SUB TO 21SEXTURY.
I DON'T REMEMBER READING ON ANY REVIEW THAT 21SEXTURY HAD DRM.
BUT I HAVE READ THAT DRM CAN BE DISABLED, BY HACKERS OR TECH GUYS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE.
THE ONLY THINK I CAN THINK OF IS THAT SOME SITES OFFERED AN OPTION TO RETURN TO THE SITE, AFTER YOUR SUBSCRIPTION HAS EXPIRED, AND VIEW SOME OF THE CONTENT YOU HAD BOUGHT (THAT WAS NOT DOWNLOADED ONTO YOUR PC).
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THIS OFFER IS FOR.
I SUGGEST SENDING SEPARATE EMAILS TO CUSTOMER SUPPORT AND TECH SUPPORT, ASKING WHAT THE "BUY IT FOR A LIFETIME" OPTION MEANS.
THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU THE CLEAREST ANSWER.
HOPEFULLY, ONE OR BOTH SERVICES WILL RESPOND QUICKLY ENOUGH TO END YOUR FRUSTRATION.
AND HOPEFULLY, YOU WILL POST THEIR RESPONSE ON THIS COMMENT, TO BENEFIT THE REST OF US PU MEMBERS.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, YOU MIGHT FIND PORN PAYSITES CHARGING $30-36 A YEAR FOR STREAMING ONLY SUBS.
BUT IN THE REAL WORLD, MY GUESS IS THAT PORN SITES ARE CHARGING STREAMING ONLY FOR WHAT THEY USED TO CHARGE FOR DOWNLOADS, AND CHARGING EXTRA FOR THE DOWNLOAD OPTION, IF THEY OFFER A DOWNLOAD OPTION.
LIKE SKIPPY SAID, IT'S A MARKETING DECISION.
IF THE THE MARKET (PORN CUSTOMERS WHO ACTUALLY PAY FOR PORN) SUPPORTS IT, THE SUPPLIERS WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CREATE WONDERFUL, BULLSHIT REASONS WHY THIS IS THE NEW, IMPROVED PARADIGM OF PORN IN THE 21ST CENTURY.
I PROBABLY WOULD NOT SUBSCRIBE.
I LIKE TO DOWNLOAD. TO KEEP A COLLECTION.
BUT WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT STREAMING ONLY SITES,
I'M STARTING TO FEEL LIKE THE DINOSAUR IN THE ROOM.
BUT I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
I HAVE TIME WARNER CABLE, NOW CALLED SPECTRUM.
I'VE HAD THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
THERE IS NO DOWNLOAD LIMIT ON DATA.
I DON'T THINK THEY OFFER A SUBSCRIBER PLAN WITH A DATA DOWNLOAD LIMIT.
HOWEVER, T-MOBILE DOES OFFER PLANS WITH DATA DOWNLOAD LIMITS.
Giving Cruelty Party a score of 82.
If the site were scored as a stand-alone site, the score would be much lower. The main value of the site is in the network access, not in the site contents. The network videos are mainly professionally shot, with good lighting, good sound control, OK to good camera-work, but usually in a gonzo versus glamour style.
The Porn Pros network is not bad: You get a large collection of niche sites, with 1,000s of hardcore videos.
But the videos start to lose steam after a while, and you might want something different.
There are some good, hot videos at the network. You just have to search through a lot of OK to meh videos to find the ones you like.
They advertise that you get 24 sites with a basic subscription. That advertisement might have been true a year ago, but it appears that currently, you only get 16 sites with a basic subscription.
The basic pro with Cruelty Party is that you get access to the Porn Pros basic network of 16 sites.
This provides you with a lot of different niches.
The basic con with Cruelty Party is that it's a small site. Only 64 updates.
Cruelty Party was started around the beginning of 2010. It stopped updating in March 2013. That's about 4 years ago. So don't expect any new scenes. The theme was girls drinking and partying and having a good time, then having sex with one or more guys. I'm not sure where the cruelty fits in, because the sex is consensual, not rough, no biting, spitting, name-calling, or extreme gonzo action.
Maybe the owners thought that "cruelty" would be a selling point to attract subscribers. Except they didn't bother to follow through with putting cruel sex in the videos.
If group sex is your niche, the site provides 64 videos for your pleasure.
If group sex is not your niche, you get access to 15 other sites, most with more content to select from.
Most of the models at the network are attractive white teens. There is little variety, in age, race, or body type.
The teens are basically attractive, but they are not presented as glamour models: instead, the sex is hardcore gonzo, with little plot, little dialog worth hearing, little or no romance or affection--basically just suck and fuck.
If that's your bag, you have plenty of choices.
If you want more refined sex, more glamour, slightly more plot, go to a glamcore site, or visit a borderline glamcore/gonzo site like Diesel network.
My personal favorite site in the network is Massage Creep. Because I like the one on one (boy-girl), and the massage setup gives some variation and meaning to the sex. Where the masseur works to arouse the girl before he starts to bang her.
SKIPPY,
THANKS FOR THE EMAIL UPDATE.
I'M GLAD THE LINK WORKED.
I GOT THE OFFER IN 2013, HAVE BEEN A MEMBER SINCE THEN OF THAT SITE.
I'VE NEVER HAD ANY BILLING PROBLEMS.
THE PAYMENT PROCESSOR THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OFFER WAS ROCKETGATE.COM.
YOU CAN TURN OFF THE PU INTERNAL EMAIL SYSTEM.
WHICH SEEMS TO BE BUGGY.
BOTH EMAILS I SENT TO YOU USING THE SYSTEM WERE REJECTED.
SKIPPY,
I TRIED A SECOND TIME TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL USING THE PU INTERNAL EMAIL SYSTEM.
AND I GET ANOTHER ERROR MESSAGE THAT THE EMAIL FAILED/WAS REJECTED.
THEN I SENT AN EMAIL DIRECTLY, FROM YAHOO EMAIL.
THAT EMAIL APPARENTLY WENT THROUGH.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THE PREVIOUS EMAILS WERE REJECTED.
MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE I HAD A URL AT THE TOP OF THE MESSAGE BODY.
ANYWAY, I ASSUME YOU DID GET MY EMAIL.
THE SUBJECT WAS: FROM PU MEMBER LK2FIREONE: SPECIAL OFFER...
SKIPPY, I'D LIKE TO SEND YOU A PRIVATE EMAIL.
TURN ON YOUR PU INTERNAL EMAIL SYSTEM, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT A PRIVATE EMAIL FROM ME.
AND THEN YOU CAN TURN OFF THE EMAIL SYSTEM, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO USE THE PU PRIVATE EMAIL SYSTEM ANY MORE.
TO USE THE PU INTERNAL EMAIL SYSTEM:
GO TO YOUR PU MEMBER'S USER PROFILE.
SELECT/HIT THE EDIT HOT LINK NEAR THE TOP OF THE PAGE.
CHECK THE BOX "ALLOW USERS TO CONTACT ME THROUGH MY PROFILE (EMAIL WILL BE FORWARDED TO YOU.)
SELECT/HIT THE SAVE BUTTON DOWN BELOW THE LIST.
SOMETIMES A VERY NICE SPECIAL DEAL COMES ALONG.
I JOINED EROTIC BEAUTY (PART OF THE METART NETWORK) FOR $1/MONTH A FEW YEARS AGO.
THAT IS A LIFETIME PRICE.
I'M STILL A MEMBER (AT $1/MONTH).
SOME OTHER PU MEMBER RECENTLY MENTIONED THAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR THE SAME OFFER.
Nice gimmick.
But I've never tried the site, because I want to know how much it will cost before I try.
But it's good to know people are thinking up new ideas for porn.
That idea of a 30-day wait before a cancellation takes effect is a killer.
That website (Fetish Network) should go out of business, once members and prospective members catch on the trick.
"They need time to sharpen their pencils to write the cancellation order ;)."
Excellent joke.
I've never used jet.com.
I'm a loyal Amazon Prime member.
They give great service. Good prices.
So it's worth the membership fee. (Currently, around $100/year, I think.)
Also get a lot of free movies and TV shows for Amazon Prime members.
I'm surprised about the double authorization. You would think the credit card/bank would charge extra for that.
Thanks for the warning.
I've never joined a site that required 30 days notice before cancellation takes effect.
Must have been a porn business-genius who thought up that one.
skippy, thanks for the MetArt tip on viewing options.
I've been a member of MetArt for over 10 years, off and on.
But just looked at the photos, almost never bothered to explore the options to make viewing easier.
LOL.
But I still find it's easier to brows a set of photos at Diesel.
View a photo, and click the mouse to go to the next photo, which opens immediately, in the same window, etc.
Faster and easier than the MetArt system, which requires more mouse clicks, whether you choose to open the photo in a new window, or in the same window.
If you still have a subscription to one of the Diesel sites, try viewing a photoset online. I think you will see what I mean.
As far as Diesel, I don't think there is any basis for deciding what content goes to which site.
I've mentioned years ago that the idea was to create separate sites to build revenue, instead of having a single site. Since more sites usually means more subscriptions.
Years ago, they sometimes had a video of a model, and the photoshoot of the video might be posted on a different site than the video was posted at. Proving, to me, at least, that the basis for selecting what content goes to what site was random.
I'm referring to 18 Only Girls, Wow Girls, and Wow Porn.
When they still had their older sites, most of that content was specific to those sites (before they folded most of that content into 18 Only Girls, and deleted the rest of that content).
When I say that a video and its accompanying photo shoot could be posted at 2 different sites, it was not common, but it did happen. I thought it was funny.
How the heck can you watch porn in a car?
If you're a passenger.
If the car is parked.
Otherwise, I like to keep my eyes on the road, to see what's in front of me.
Yesterday, I was driving home, and a stopped car was on the freeway.
If I were watching porn, I would have run right into him, since he was stopped in my lane.
QUOTE:
(As an aside, I wish more sites gave the discounted price month after month rather than recurring at a much high rate. It seems to me that sites could make a lot more money with having more people stay longer at a lower price than they would in hoping a few people would forget to cancel and they got a smaller number of higher-priced subscriptions.)
END OF QUOTE:
I AGREE COMPLETELY.
BUT THE BUSINESS MODEL MOST FOLLOWED IS OFFERING NEW MEMBERS A LOWER PRICE THAN OFFERED TO RECURRING MEMBERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, LOYALTY IS FOOLISH, AND YOU PAY A HIGHER PRICE WHEN YOU CONTINUE YOUR MEMBERSHIP.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR PORN SITES, BUT MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS, NEWSPAPER SUBSCRIPTIONS, ETC.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE IDEA OF LOYALTY IS REWARDED?
Most of the sites I join I've joined previously.
Only rarely do I join a new site.
But then again, I'm surprised at how many sites I've joined.
I used to think I was porn lite.
But not any longer.
LOL.
I joined Wow Girls on 2016-12-30, and was not given a choice of streaming only, versus streaming + download.
So I assume the option of streaming only started in either January or February 2017.
I joined through a special discounted offer (not through the PU link), for a 1-year term, which is why my membership would not automatically upgrade to diamond status, with access to all three sites, after 2 months. I would have to wait 12 months before I would be upgraded to diamond status.
(Normally, your membership is upgraded to diamond status after 2 months of continuous membership.)
So I paid $20 for the upgrade to diamond status.
So I guess that $20 is the current price to upgrade to diamond status.
Like I wrote earlier, the previous price to upgrade to diamond status was $70. Which caused a lot of complaints by PU members in their reviews of the Diesel network.
I assume very few people at PU took Diesel up on their $70 upgrade.
Diesel lacks a page inside or outside the site, spelling out the terms of service, which would list the cost of the upgrade to diamond status, that I can find.
Diesel network (Wow Girls, Wow Porn, and All Fine Girls) now offers members a choice of streaming only or streaming with downloads.
30 days stream only $19.95/recurring
30 days stream/download $29.95/recurring
180 days stream/download $99.95/recurring
Those prices are for a membership to All Fine Girls or a different membership to Wow Girls plus Wow Porn.
But they tell you on the join page what your choices and prices are on the join page.
But a membership to all 3 sites costs extra. I got my upgrade for about $20 (a one-time fee).
But I don't know if that was a limited time offer or the current price for the upgrade.
The upgrade price used to be about $70 (a one-time fee).
Except that after a continuous 2-month membership, you are normally upgraded to the 3 site access.
Except that I got a discounted membership, and I would only upgrade after 12 months.
So I paid the $20 for the upgrade.
Which I only learned after joining, and writing their support. Because they don't bother to spell out every little detail about the sites/membership rules (that I can find, anyway).
Since the economic downturn stared around 2008, s lot of pron sites have closed.
That means that less porn is being produced.
Porn might be coming out with new features (VR, Ultra High Definition), but there is less money available to produce porn.
And I wonder what will happen under Trump?
Will he give in to conservatives and start a new crackdown on porn?
That would have a massive negative effect on porn producers. Because they don't have the money to fight big government.
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