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11-10-11  09:40pm - 4791 days #11
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Funny some laws are for everyone.
And some are just built to control society.


Aren't all laws built to control everyone?

Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


So question would be, does porn make us more civilized or less?


I would say more civilized...if we can handle it like rational adults who are mature enough to recognize that sex is a natural part of life. *

If instead porn makes you visibly upset and gets you to start babbling about "morals and values" and so forth--and not in any sort of ironic sense--then I would say you are not civilized. Go back to kindergarten, or better yet, some enlightened paradise of prudishness like Saudi Arabia--no porn, no problem!--and leave us sinful creatures the hell alone.



* P.S.: Here's a simple Wikipedia graphic to illustrate my point. Generally, the more tolerant of porn, then the freer the country. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 10, 2011, 09:46pm (turboshaft: Added P.S.)

11-10-11  09:29pm - 4791 days #14
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I can actually understand why Marijuana is illegal (given the recent research results), but then I don't see why tobacco isn't also illegal.


Better lobbyists, especially given the fact that they are selling an inferior product. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-10-11  08:51pm - 4791 days #3
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


But the U.S.? I figured that you guys would shut the country down. Why not? Am I waaaaay off the mark here?


Shut the country down? And mess with our sacred free market?!

Okay, just kidding, but in the U.S. these types of days seem to be more about keeping stores open in observance of some big sale, rather than--dare I say it--as a time of remembrance.

I'm quite biased here too (I'm a veteran) but I would say on the topic of "supporting" the military, or honoring, or remembering, or whatever positive thing we do with regards to it, we are very superficial and short term.

Hell, Bush II and John McCain originally threatened to veto the Post-9/11 GI Bill when it was going through congress in 2008--apparently those two dickheads worried it would end up hurting retention, never mind that it might help veterans. Fortunately W did sign it, though McCain never ended up casting a vote either way. But even outside this issue so many of these politicians with raging war boners have served little to no time in the military, much less in a hostile environment. And while this seems unfortunate it's fairly representative of a country of 300+ million with around 1% volunteering to serve.

And this is why I think we see so little real support of the military, or at least what I believe any thinking person would consider support. Yeah, bumper stickers and lapel pins are great but do they do anything beyond making the person displaying them feel self-congratulatory? How exactly do long wars with no clear goals, extended deployments, lies to families, not to mention a seemingly unending list of shameful scandals really help anybody?

...But if you're looking for a more celebratory holiday in America, I would recommend the 4th of July--burgers, booze, fireworks, and warm weather! (Unfortunately, quite frequently celebrated in that order. ) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-08-11  07:12pm - 4793 days #9
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Strangely enough this same seller , sells fun personal items as well, and the same zips do not allow toys apparently.
I found it interesting.


I think sex toys are verboten in all of Texas, and a few other states as well, but I believe it ultimately depends on what the item is sold as.

For example, Hitachi's pussy-pleasing Magic Wand is sold damn near everywhere as nothing more than an innocent personal massager, even Walmart (fulfilling, I assume, the "Live Better." part of their corporate slogan).

Try doing that with something that's an obvious dildo or sex toy and the fundies will likely want you tarred and feathered. But I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "medicinal" out to legally sell most sex toys as "medical devices" the same way you can find a "doctor" in Los Angeles who can write you a prescription for medicinal marijuana. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-08-11  06:36pm - 4793 days #8
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Shipping Restrictions for Adult Material
Adult DVDs cannot be shipped to the following locations:

* Alabama
* Arkansas
* Mississippi
* Utah


Fortunately we have the Internet, and the beautifully borderless frontier of (seemingly) neverending porn it has opened!

And not to rag on the heartland but come on, seriously? Sorry, but you don't get my vote for "Real America" until you can handle adult entertainment like an adult, as well as at least acknowledge the existence of evolution, if not bother to teach it in public schools. (Try and give me a reason why I shouldn't continue to avoid these states like the plague.)

Interestingly, Utah is supposed to be high on the list of consumers of Internet porn, so it's apparently not just blessed underwear and clean living in the no-porno-in-the-mail states.

I guess it's another reason to ditch physical media entirely and go digital, assuming it's not illegal to ship large hard drives as well (seeing as there's probably science and stuff involved in their manufacture). This also reminds me of when ALSScan sold DVDs and VHS tapes--remember those? --and they had a fairly long list of no-mans lands that they couldn't/wouldn't ship to. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-04-11  12:25pm - 4797 days #12
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I keep getting emails from Twitter and Facebook, notifying me that there are messages I haven't responded to. Except that I'm not a member of Facebook or Twitter. Those of you who are might think twice before you click on any of the links provided in the email.


Part of the problem of social networking sites, particularly Facebook, is that they want you using them a lot, and if you don't then they're are going to bother/remind you that you haven't logged on in a while.

I signed up for a Facebook account a few years back, but haven't done anything with it beyond opening it and they periodically send e-mails reminding me of pending friends and that I haven't logged on recently. With sites like Facebook around, which has a constantly changing privacy policy, it's a wonder people care about keeping anything to themselves, much less away from a company with an unnerving amount of your and your friends' personal information. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-03-11  10:06am - 4798 days #6
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Originally Posted by messmer:


^ As an outsider I am even more appalled that a partially revealed breast should have become an issue and evoked such a large fine in the first place. So strange, the U.S. Porn industry is the largest and most productive in the world yet, in prime time, you can't even show a shielded nipple lest a child be corrupted.


I'm not an "outsider" and I'm appalled. Why do we--or Americans at least--even have a government organization (the freaking FCC) that has the power to issue fines over content in the first place?! Never mind the speed of the courts, or lack thereof, as this was hardly the case in need of a speedy trial, but how did this puritanical nonsense ever become legal? Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment at some level or another?

I really don't watch much TV, and when I do it's on the net, but it still aggravates me that I have contribute tax revenue to the superstitious whims of the morally outraged in whatever represents the latest battle in their imaginary culture wars. Couldn't the money and resources devoted to fining these supposed evildoing broadcasters and the filthy unregulated halftime bare-nippled secularists they employ be better spent on real communication and legal issues?

Not to pick at old wounds, but since this case is one of the many nuggets of glory from the Bush II years, can anyone else imagine if this kind of public overreaction was aimed at the real horrors of those years, instead of at the rare sighting of an unsheathed (if not unshielded, apparently ) nipple at the Superbowl?

And sorry if my response/rant here sounds like one big overreaction, but to me the whole incident represents the piss poor morals and values that my fellow Americans can seemingly muster out of thin air whenever nudity or sex or just hints thereof are involved, but not for real issues that civilized adults should be addressing. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Nov 03, 2011, 10:11am

10-30-11  05:22am - 4802 days #7
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Godamnit! And I was looking into buying another external in the coming weeks!

Now every time I want to buy a computer component I have to check the weather too?! Though this really isn't completely unprecedented. Back in the spring when the earthquake and tsunami hit Japan, Sony couldn't manufacture certain types of video tape since they produced it in only one factory which was damaged by the quake. Believe it or not, a lot of TV shows and films use these tapes to archive and backup footage (keep in mind they're not cheap blank VHS tapes), and would normally use a lot of it, and Sony has only recently opened the factory again.

I also heard that Fujifilm's cinematic film was affected by radiation from damaged nuclear plants. Unfortunately unexposed and undeveloped films can be ruined by the stuff that makes comic book heroes grow strong, but you won't know for sure until you develop it.

Same reason I hope "The Big One" earthquake never hits southern California, because I don't want the depraved juggernaut that is the American porn industry to come to a grinding halt (grinding, ha ha... get it ) because they don't have power to light and shoot a set or running water to clean it up. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 30, 2011, 05:29am

10-23-11  04:21am - 4810 days #5
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One star I had not seen in a while was the lovely anal goddess Aurora Snow...

That was until a few weeks ago when I watched a video of a scene she did with, appropriately enough, Kink.com's EverythingButt.com. The scene was from August 2010 but a lot more recent than anything else I remember seeing her in, and fortunately still as hard and nasty as I remember her--what a relief!

She looked minutely heavier (outside of porn, it would be considered negligible), and frankly I was very happy to see she hadn't wandered off into a marriage, was busy writing a "tell-all" memoir book deal, found Jesus or whoever, or even gone to law school--as she apparently dreams of doing one day, according to this Daily Beast article she wrote in 2010. (BTW, is it wrong to be turned on by just her writing? )

She's supposed to be quite close to her brothers, and now spends much of her time taking care of one of them after he was injured in a motorcycle accident. Nice to know she really does have a heart--which I knew about all along, of course--and that she doesn't have to quit the business cold turkey in order to have one.

Uh, what were you asking about Sarah Jessie? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 23, 2011, 04:35am

10-19-11  10:34pm - 4813 days #113
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Originally Posted by messmer:


What about all the tattoos these days that snake their way up the side of the neck? They are very obvious and visible.


Why I said "many tattoos," not all, because there are exceptions to every rule (assuming there are even rules for job interviews anymore).

People always say "males should wear a suit, blah blah blah," but I'm betting this would not be referring to a bright purple suit with gold buttons and other bling.

Rules were made to be broken, if not completely exploited for their loopholes. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-18-11  11:33pm - 4814 days #108
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


Yeah, because an employer is really going to see a full back tattoo underneath the shirt you're wearing. Or an upper arm sleeve. Or the one on your stomach. You notice the tattoos because the girls are supposed to be wearing skimpy outfits that don't cover anything. Half the porn girls I've seen with tattoos are ones that would be covered up in normal business attire.




I agree, the employment argument against many tattoos is like arguing that genital piercings will keep you from ever getting a good job. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-18-11  11:27pm - 4814 days #107
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Originally Posted by pat362:


How old is he? I've had my tattoo for 27 yrs and it looks pretty much the same now than it did at the beginning.

I don't know if the position on the body has something to do with the fading aspect. Mine is on my upper right arm so it's almost never exposed to sunshine.


I'm betting it's a combination of the ink used and the aging skin--even the greatest tattoo can't prevent your body from aging.

Of course if you get really out of shape then you really can't blame the tattoo. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 18, 2011, 11:31pm

10-16-11  02:47pm - 4816 days #15
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I think with any forest, if you clear cut, then all you see is stumps. And if you do not clear out the dead wood you could be looking at a fire hazzard. I think keeping your foliage manicured, but natural would satisfy any homeowner.


Interestingly enough, too many full bushes can occasionally give me dead wood. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-16-11  02:42pm - 4816 days #698
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I keep uttering dire predictions to my loved ones when it comes to the so-called Arab Spring. Everyone is celebrating the new "democracies" in Egypt, in Libya, in Tunesia and the ones to come in Yemen and Syria .. but everyone seems to forget the threat of fundamentalist Islamism that these populist movements are bringing with them. The Tunisian example listed above is a classic example of what may happen when the people of the Muslim world finally get a say in how to govern themselves ... not very encouraging. As a matter of fact it is downright scary how many ordinary folks in the Middle East and Northern Africa would love to take their societies back to the middle ages in the name of Allah!


I'm not sure if that's entirely true, and, like so many of the viewpoints on PU, it may be generational. Many of the young in the Middle East appear to want more Western-style life and culture. That doesn't mean they want the U.S. military there, or some American-backed dictator, but I doubt they really want to live in a theocracy or kingdom in the 21st century. But I don't think this means an abandonment of their religion or history either.

Older generations are probably far less welcome to any Western influence, and given the history of the region I could understand why. A bigger threat than the Tunisian example would be what has happened with Iran over the decades. They overthrew a king in 1979--who was the result of the U.S. and the U.K. backing a violent overthrow of Iran's democratically elected leader in the '50s--and the resulting chaos did not lead to a freer Iran. Instead they got an oppressive theocracy that's been run by a series of septuagenarian Ayatollahs in man dresses, who make up rules on everything from free speech to appropriate hair styles--hardly anyone's concept of modernism or freedom.

Sorry if you're a religious person, but to me Iran's government is a prime example of why too much religion is so harmful to people. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-16-11  01:52am - 4817 days #13
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Originally Posted by Capn:


Full bushes!


Maybe...but sometimes just seeing the whole forest instead of any trees is a little

I guess it's a generational thing. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-16-11  01:37am - 4817 days #696
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


I thought my sarcasm was pretty clear when I wrote: Burn, Baby, Burn, for people who don't agree with some religious group.


It was pretty clear...but I guess I couldn't help replying.

And if fire was the only weapon extremist theocrats who hide behind the Koran had then I doubt we'd have as much to fear. Knives, explosives, guns, hijacked planes--yeah, those are a little more worrisome.

But why does it only take a cartoon, or movie, or book to unite the more vocal and violent dimwits of a religion? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-16-11  01:27am - 4817 days #14
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Originally Posted by graymane:


Nothing stopped me from jerking off at age fourteen.... not even the boxing gloves afixed to my hands before retiring for the night.




I'd have to agree, though I never tried the boxing glove thing...

Still, the only thing that could scare me out of masturbating would probably be something self-afflicted, like wrist or chest pains that I've never had before.

Or possibly an angry partner who's sick and tired of having to launder my "hand towels" so often and with so much detergent. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-16-11  01:16am - 4817 days #13
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


This is waaaaay off topic, so I'll apologize in advance for that. I'll blame the three martinis...


Halloween is coming up though...

Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Having said that, the absolutely scariest movie I have ever seen was the original The Exorcist. Fuck, that scared me so bad I didn't leave the house for a week. Seriously. But I'll admit that's partly because of conditioning. When I saw it, I was still young and living at home and was a devout Catholic. Satan was real to me then. And most other horror movies were so silly that they lacked any credibility. Then along comes The Exorcist. Scared me fucking silly. I went to Mass daily for a month and stopped jerking off too. For a 14 year old, that says something.


So, is that one time you were not scared stiff?

Sorry, but I just couldn't resist.

(Spoiler alerts below.)

I wasn't scared by The Exorcist, but then I did see it in my 20s and frankly a lot of it was kinda silly, plus my views on religion probably don't help much in the matter. The scene where Linda Blair (when possessed) masturbates with a crucifix and chants "Fuck Jesus!" in a demon voice is just over the top silly to me. Or it's just plain offensive, depending on your religious views, which is why I'm betting Catholics feel either genuinely scared, such as yourself--though arguably not the film's fault--or genuinely profaned.

But at the same time, the whole point of the movie seems to be pro-Catholic, in that Regan (Linda Blair) is eventually freed of the demon, minus the priests who die in the process, and Father Damien has a serious affirmation of his faith (though he still dies).

Anyway, I still think it's a good movie, though not particularly scary, and I could care less about the religious accuracy, though supposedly there are some real priests acting in it, and some of it was actually filmed on Georgetown University's campus. I also think "Rosemary's Baby" is good too, but even less scary, and way more campy. (The elderly neighbors are actually a part of some weird satanic cult? C'mon... ) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-15-11  03:57pm - 4817 days #8
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Before I get into a lenghty duiscussion of what the Human Centipede is all about. I think it best to ask you if you are into scat, ATM(ass to other's mouth), horror movies?
If the answer is no then don't ask about the Human Centipede. It would be like asking about 2 girls 1 cup.


It's a crazy concept for a movie, but as far as gory horror films of late go it's pretty mild, especially considering the details of what the title really implies.

The "Hostel" films seemed to be way gorier and exploitative to me (this doesn't actually make Centipede any better, mind you). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-15-11  03:05pm - 4817 days #694
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


But what about the fella that showed the movie we didn't like? Does he have any rights?

This is a deeply philosophical matter, that will take time to resolve.

In the meantime: Burn, Baby, Burn!


I hope you're just being sarcastic, as all of the current theocracies of the world (which also all happen to be Islamic) only allow people the freedom to suppress or react violently to any hint at civil liberty, usually in the form of another made up "blasphemy" that is so offensive to people's delicate religious sensibilities that violence and/or threats thereof are the only answer.

And not to be too one sided, but Islam does have the more violent religious conservatives of recent history. Even Martin Scorcese's "The Last Temptation of the Christ" did not have the pope putting a hit on out the director or the stars, just a bunch of angry, though mostly non-violent, protests and self-righteous whining about "respect" for their way of thinking and a film that nobody was ever forced to see.

Compare this to the publication of Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses," or the Dutch film "Submission," both of which offended Muslims and ended up with people getting killed as a result! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-12-11  07:48pm - 4820 days #7
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Originally Posted by user2000:


As CCBill is so commonly used in porn, can I assume that financial/personal data is completely secure?


Like Wittyguy wrote above, not completely, but still fairly secure for handling your info over the Internets. Though I'm betting many employees at credit card companies understand "CCBill" on customers' statements to mean "Porn subscription! This guy buys porn!" Fortunately I have yet to have a CC issuer pass judgement on how I spend my money as a happy, healthy adult.

On a more specific note to ITC, they are, in my personal pervy opinion, a great site for HD video and large photos, as long as girls-only closeup content is what you seek. In short, a recurring bill should not be a problem--finding enough storage space will be.

(Also, as soon as you sign up for ITC, go to CCBill's website and cancel. You can still access subscription sites until the cycle runs out, regardless of an early cancellation.) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 12, 2011, 07:54pm

10-11-11  09:42pm - 4821 days #27
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


AA seems to want that focus so we can give things to a higher power. If and Atheist does not believe in God, then how can they define his definition?


What if an atheist does not believe in anything remotely close to this "higher power" that the group repeatedly refers to? And if they are talking about some sort of literal higher power--which I strongly doubt--then the idea of giving anything to it/him/whatever sounds just as insane. Sorry, but speaking for myself, I'm not in disbelief of god just so I can save my worship for someone or something else here on earth, which is arguably way more dangerous.

I have plenty of issues with believing in god, but the real problems seem to come from the organization of almost any strong beliefs in the form or religions, cults, and other such groups. And it's why you could have a group of atheists worshiping a dictator's personality cult be just as dangerous as a group of fundamentalist believers doing violent acts in worship of whatever god(s) they believe in.

It seems one characteristic of many modern atheists is that they are fiercely individualistic, and their opposition to large groups and herd mentality is true not just for religion but secular aspects of life as well. This is why I doubt we'll ever see a serious atheist or truly secular political organization or PAC in the U.S., much less an entire political party. If you see part of the problem of religion as being excessively herd-oriented then you're not going to be looking to join an opposition group as some sort of substitute. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-10-11  10:05pm - 4822 days #22
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


Atheists & AA - There is a structure there that can be woven into your belief system to provide a stability to get your through. AA was started by two guys who thought that their support of each other would help them stay sober. It was framed in a Christian belief system. Anyone can use it and still believe whatever they believe.


Really? It's hard to believe that an organization that supposedly works to help you--partly through what it calls having an "awareness of a Power greater than ourselves"--would not take that opportunity to convert you to their way of thinking, whether or not it really involves alcohol abuse. By definition, if you think you're an alcoholic and you're going to AA for help, then you're admitting there's a problem and you need some sort of solution.

Sorry, but I guess I'm the perpetual cynic and skeptic, and I think people, particularly when coalesced in questionable groups such as AA, are not out to help people. The fact that AA was founded by two religious conservatives and that at least half of their original 12 Steps mention God by name or in the abstract doesn't help me think any better of them either.

They don't even hide this, as they say on the web version of their own "Big Book": Most of us think this awareness of a Power greater than ourselves is the essence of spiritual experience. Our more religious members call it "God-consciousness."

Most emphatically we wish to say that any alcoholic capable of honestly facing his problems in the light of our experience can recover, provided he does not close his mind to all spiritual concepts. He can only be defeated by an attitude of intolerance or belligerent denial.


I can only be defeated by "an attitude of intolerance or belligerent denial"?!



Hey, if I was gullible enough to believe such cult crap in the first place, I would already consider myself defeated. I guess trading in booze for 12 Step Kool-Aid is the way to go. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 10, 2011, 10:08pm

10-10-11  09:33pm - 4822 days #21
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Thanks Turboshaft , you said what I was thinking better then I thought when I was thinking LOL.




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10-10-11  09:17pm - 4822 days #7
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Well, the good news is that you don't find yourself having hide the trouser snake in public when you see something sexy. And it doesn't hurt that young women dress more modestly now than they did in the 1970's. And I mean in the summertime.

Or is it that I just don't notice anymore?


You must not notice, ever, because the only thing I can imagine less modest than what women dress in now would be a nude beach.

And come on, what did the '70s have over the tramp stamps, Brazilian waxings, and pussy piercings of today? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-10-11  08:11am - 4822 days #15
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


According to the brief article below, David Boreanaz states that marriage is "a sacred ground". So he implies that marriage is sacred because of religion, I assume.


Maybe, but not necessarily. Maybe he just means if you're married and you don't treat your spouse as a god then you're committing blasphemy.

And if I were to have any religious beliefs (I don't), they would probably include something about the Antichrist being in the form of a bridezilla--or that they are one of the four signs of the apocalypse--so I doubt I will be considering marriage "sacred" anytime soon. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 10, 2011, 08:16am

10-10-11  08:03am - 4822 days #14
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I am not sure if I know what an Atheist is?
Not being sarcastic, but in the reality of Life some believe in God some a Tree lol some nothing. But and Athiest does not believe in nothing? They believe there is no God, so I wondered do they believe in a higher power of any kind?
I mean we all came from something some where? Is a power that created us greater then us ? Not saying a centioned being. But some power of some kind makes us exist ??
And to step a little further are their different religion of an Athiest ? Like some that believe their is a higher power but no God. And in AA /NA are Their Athiest if so how do they work the steps?


What you're describing sounds more like deism than atheism, which is belief in a creator, but not necessarily a creator in the biblical sense where he (she?) not only creates us but watches over our every move and determines our fates, etc.

There definitely are different degrees of atheism, though I wouldn't necessarily call them different religions, though maybe different sects. Sort of like how Christianity has Pat Robertson while also having Jimmy Carter, atheism has Richard Dawkins while also having the regular Joe/Jane who doesn't believe in god but also really doesn't care.

The latter is sometimes called apatheism, which is a sort of an indifferent atheism, where you don't believe in god, and you really don't care much about the whole issue of god/no god. And this is probably where I would categorize myself, because I never exactly had an "Ah ha!" moment, but just a gradual realization of my views and lack of belief, and more or less said "Oh well, enough of that," and then pretty much went on my merry way.

So I don't get too high on my soapbox or start arguments that ultimately go nowhere, but I still enjoy reading up on religion and people's different takes on faith, even if only to make sure I don't have to answer to some nitwit with a bible next time I go vote or buy groceries. And to be perfectly honest I have yet to meet a truly proselytizing atheist in a manner that comes close to people knocking on my door or handing me a pamphlet, or simply telling me what I supposedly can and can't do (which I would find frighteningly close to a dictatorship, so fuck off!).

I guess to put it more succinctly (and to cut my rambling down), I'm reacting against having grown up in the U.S. at a time when religion, primarily Christianity, has had a pervasive and in my view largely negative influence on everyday life, which has probably turned just as many people away from religion (and possibly having any beliefs at all) as it has converted or kept.

I think I would be much more open to religion if it hadn't come so frequently in the form of a dominionism that borders on fascism. Instead I have had to endure a theoretically secular political system that seem to hinge on officials' religious beliefs over their politics. This, along with a long list of ridiculous "evils" that masquerades as morals and values, have made me pretty cynical. For me, it's hard to take a person seriously as they rant against gays, women, or just an "immoral" film or TV show, when they seem to see no bigger issue in, say, poverty or that they don't think people have a right to healthcare. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-06-11  03:07am - 4827 days #11
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Originally Posted by Denner:


A government with a hole lot of health freaks who's also is going to seriously raise taxes on other of life's more pleasurable tings like smoke, booze and beer


I think I would still rather pay a tax than just buy everything illegally, especially considering the problems of the black market.

But both ends of the political spectrum seem to have the screwed-up idea that they have the moral authority to deem what is "good" and what is "bad" for us lowly peasants. Ugh... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-04-11  09:56pm - 4828 days #7
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Originally Posted by messmer:


... for introducing your new "fat tax" in Denmark. Canada cannot resist following other countries when it comes to the improvement of its citizens' health, if they like it or not, so I guess we'll be paying more for butter and cheese etc. soon ourselves.




That sucks for Denner and his fellow Danes. Here's to the formally low priced fatty foods...

I'm not really one to get my panties in a bunch over food taxes when the government is doing far worse things, like letting us eat tainted meat--and that's just food! Still this isn't really the best way to fight obesity or even heart disease (until recent decades margarine was generally worse for your heart than butter), and I think it will do more to piss off consumers and generate some tax revenue than improve health, never mind how genetics screws up everything else.

I say legalize it all--food, drugs, sex--and flatten their sales taxes/VATs while also working on safety, not subjective versions of "health" or what's "good."

And let messmer have his cheese before he gets angry. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-03-11  10:35pm - 4829 days #27
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Of course there are those that like sweat, and tossing the girl around like a rag doll, spitting and pee scenes too.


Wait, are you saying these aren't romantic?

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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


I like allot of the solo scenes that X-art does they have the sense of realism to them. Sometimes ( for me ) the straight sex scenes are a tad boring where it will take up to 10 minutes it seems to see a nipple LOL.


Hey, if 10 minutes from meeting a girl for the first time to seeing a nipple (hers, damnit!) was all it took in real life I would say that's hardly boring. Assuming more is to come in such a timely manner I would call it sexually efficient! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-03-11  10:21pm - 4829 days #26
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I do have to admit that this made me think of a line from Bill Maher when he talks about hearing a therapist speak about men and women sharing mutual fantasies. He breaks the bad news to women by pointing out that there are no fantasies where a handsome man rides a horse across a field, sweeps the woman off her feet and embraces her, and then comes on her face.


I remember this joke--so true!

Here's a YouTube link for anyone who's interested. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-03-11  10:14pm - 4829 days #25
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Okay, you're allowed to sit or lay on the bed for ten minutes, petting heavily, to use the old term, until you proceed. That any better?


Not really.

But your original post made me think of something similar between food and sex. And it is that when I am hungry for either one I tend to make bad decisions that I will eventually regret...

I think it's good advice to not go grocery shopping when you're too hungry, but also not be, um, "on the prowl" when you're too horny. This probably also explains why so many of us have way more porn than we will ever consume (fortunately porn seems to not spoil anywhere near as quickly as food). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 03, 2011, 10:23pm

10-02-11  05:13pm - 4830 days #18
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


I actually bought one or two laser discs, even though I never bought a laser disc player. I lost those discs a long time ago.


So much for not loosing that stash. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-02-11  04:58pm - 4830 days #6
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


A better classification might be fantasy. Lol.


Maybe, but my fantasies have never included having a meal, drinks, or both. After all, it's not food that I lust after... "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-02-11  04:53pm - 4830 days #9
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


From the different reviews:

"large number of photosets"
"large number of galleries"
"large gallery"

Large amount of BS ...


And who ever said that size didn't matter? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-01-11  04:00am - 4832 days #5
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


I was reading my daily Yahoo news feeds and came across an article talking about PETA's new porn site[...]


I just heard about PETA's proposed porn site...hey, if it means more porn, I'm not too concerned with the cause (because I'll still eat meat).

But I thought porn sites were already raising animal awareness with every hardcore scene where they had people fucking like jackrabbits. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-01-11  03:27am - 4832 days #12
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


The notion of storing your porn on vinyl sounds interesting. Do you get a blue buzz when listening to the photos and videos in playback? That sounds like a sure money-maker, to me. Lol.


Remember the Laserdisc? It's not actually a digital format but instead effectively functions as a sort of analog DVD, if you can wrap your head around that idea. They're a little before my time (first coming out in 1979), but I do seem to remember an art class in middle school having a few laserdiscs, each of which had thousands of images of artworks stored on them--so you can imagine how great it would be for your preferred works of art. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-01-11  03:12am - 4832 days #6
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Originally Posted by manholelover:


Bath/shower scenes leave me cold too...just a bit too clean...

Originally Posted by Capn:


I don't care for bath/shower scenes, especially those involving 'watersports'


Well that takes care of the "too clean" aspect!

BTW, am I the only one who watches a watersports scene set in a bathtub or shower and whose first thought is "Oh that's good, it'll be a lot easier to clean up in there"? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Oct 03, 2011, 10:45pm

09-20-11  08:01pm - 4842 days #27
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Boy, I HATE IT when the power goes out!


Best reason to keep a supply of matches and emergency candles along with the old mags. Just be careful not to burn down the house--the insurance company probably doesn't want to hear about you holding a candle in one hand and yourself in the other...when all of a sudden you realized jizz rags really are flammable! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-20-11  02:51am - 4843 days #25
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


33. When you book a hotel room for your honey moon, you inquire if the rooms have Adult Movies.


This sign reminds me of a routine that comedian Bill Maher did on his show a few months ago about too much porn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7kiqcjAfGw. Remember, he's making jokes, but he kind of has a point too. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Sep 20, 2011, 03:02am

09-20-11  02:42am - 4843 days #637
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Maybe there is a bright side to the high prices movie theaters charge for refreshments. I buy the popcorn and soft drinks, which I used to love while watching a movie, very infrequently. But it's better for my health.

From a news article today at Yahoo:

"Still, a clear and present danger is more likely lurking in your movie popcorn, which is considered a nutritional horror show to health experts. The nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest compared some popcorn and drinks combos to consuming three McDonald's quarter-pounders topped with 12 pats of butter."


That sounds unhealthy, I guess, but what the hell constitutes "12 pats of butter"?

Yahoo must have slipped up, because if you're going to demonize a food, or anything that people put into their bodies, you usually have to bring up how many months, years, etc. it takes off your life; then add how much it costs or will cost the public in healthcare; and finally bring up a possible (key word) link to cancer or a known toxin or poison. Making people shit their pants over their food is not as easy as it sounds, it really takes some work.

I say relax, and worry only if you're actually spending that much time at the movies (and eating a snack every time you're there). I'll die of old age or from the sheer stress of flossing the kernel shells out of my teeth before I eat enough popcorn to to get my 3 quarter-pounders worth. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-17-11  04:25pm - 4845 days #6
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Since you mentioned Firefox you could try some of their add-ons (they have tons, and people are always adding more). I did a quick search and found FoxFilter and Anti-Porn Pro, both of which have fairly decent ratings and reviews.

There's also an add-on called WOT, which has a child safety category (Porn Users gets a red, meaning it's unsafe for kids), though this is more of a way to warn about or block spammy and privacy-invading sites rather than hold back the tidal wave of porn that is the Internet.

I don't have kids so I can't speak from experience and I was a teenager when I first starting surfing the web so I found porn pretty quickly. Trial and error on a shared family computer is probably going to be your best bet. It's also probably safe to assume whatever you do to block porn can be unblocked by most kids given enough time and curiosity. An open door policy would probably help, since it would be easier to physically see what the child is actually looking at.

Good luck.

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The three add-ons I mentioned are all free, though FoxFilter says it has "Premium features available with small support fee." In general you should be able to block porn for free--though it might take some time to find the most appropriate solution. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Sep 17, 2011, 04:35pm

09-16-11  07:14pm - 4846 days #52
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Thanks for making my day, turboshaft. You have a way with words!


How dare you laugh at my religious beliefs, no matter how depraved or prurient they may be!

Just kidding...glad you enjoyed it.

Hey, but isn't it actually a sin to worshiping false idols (or at least idols with false tits)? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-15-11  07:37pm - 4847 days #37
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I wasn't quite sure where to post this, but I thought this thread would be as good as any of the other non-porn movie threads and better than the now gigantic 13 page-long Upcoming Movie Thread.

Anyway, I read a Slate.com article about director Steven Soderbergh and his really varied filmography, which has a little bit of everything if you've never checked his work out. From his early indie "Sex, Lies, and Videotape," to the star studded Ocean's movies to the low budget "The Girlfriend Experience," starring Sasha Grey (yes, that Sasha Grey ), he's done a lot of different movies.

And not to give anything away in the article, but if you make it to the end (it's kind of a long read) it mentions how Soderbergh "knows from masturbation; indeed, he's a devoted connoisseur of pay-per-view hotel porn." You gotta respect him for that--an Oscar-winning Hollywood director who still appreciates the adult arts! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-15-11  06:57pm - 4847 days #50
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Originally Posted by messmer:


When reading the various comments I come to the conclusion that, far from being misogynistic, many of the participants in this forum tend to put women on a pedestal.


Though I have no religion or supernatural/deity beliefs of my own, this might be about as close to a religion as I'll ever get. And probably why I think sites like InTheCrack should be considered non-profit like a religious organization, as they seem to be a church of the female form. (And if ITC is just a mere cult, then I've long since drunk the veritable Kool-Aid, and I'm asking for more!)

Originally Posted by messmer:


I was one of them but my female (platonic) friends disabused me of that notion by assuring me that the distaff members of humanity were capable of the same excesses, callousness, jealousies, envy, lack of loyalty etc. as men.

In my heart of hearts I always thought of all women as being kind, loving, nurturing (thanks, Mom) which caused a belly laugh and the remark: Get us off that pedestal, you have a completely wrong view of women. Just like with men, there are the good, the bad and the ugly!


I think much the same about women too, even though I also like them to be strong and independent as well, oh, and a filthy mind never hurts! I guess I like my mortal goddesses here on earth to be somewhat Old Testament style, in addition to the nurturing and caring aspects. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Sep 15, 2011, 07:00pm

09-15-11  06:34pm - 4847 days #11
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Welcome back 'toad!

Sorry to hear about the personal news, but it's good to see a PU veteran return to the one vice that unites us all...

I sure missed you around here--though not your creepy avatar! The nightmare returns! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-14-11  01:03am - 4849 days #15
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Thanks for being so honest, turboshaft! This is exactly how I would feel if I weren't stopped from doing it in the first place because of loyalty to my wife ... and age now!


You're welcome, but what's this "wife" you speak of? Never heard of that before...

But seriously, it's probably a good thing (for now) that I don't have to worry about upsetting some nice woman every time I have a little extra cash and I forget why I have a ring on my finger. Though to be honest I don't think I could ever pull off a genuine (no money) affair with just my good looks and charm alone. If anything I'd probably have to work hard to keep her from coming to her senses and cheating on me! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-12-11  08:02pm - 4850 days #10
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Originally Posted by graymane:


On the other "hand" -- natural forces on ready with a throbbing proclivity to visual stimuli -- that would-be John via the internet can have her all night for pocket change.


Porn subscriptions also wouldn't (I hope ) require an STD test. There's probably a lot I'm missing out on by remaining a porn star virgin, but avoiding some sort of super-virus is worth it! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-12-11  07:01pm - 4850 days #8
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Originally Posted by Denner:


If you - in your local area - could visit a well known pornstar in a "massage parlor" (or brothel) - would you consider it?


If it could be one of my favorite stars rather than a "well known" (well worn, if you ask me ) then maybe. I guess I would be worried about under-performing or not performing at all! Or worse, perform and then have her laugh at me afterwards. I definitely don't want a professional condemnation on my lack of Casanova prowess--regular, non-porn girls are fine for that!

It's all about the fantasy for me, and as much as I love to think I could rock her world, if only for a few minutes, I also know I am not Mr. Ex-Con drilling and filling her in a typical video, and with nowhere near his experience or apparent lack of compassion towards women. Maybe a Girl Next Door-type experience (which doesn't even go all that well anyway) would be more along my lines than paying to embarrass and/or shame myself with my fantasy porn star. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

09-11-11  12:52am - 4852 days #5
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


What is the relationship between a video's dimensions (A x B) and the bitrate (C kbps)? I've seen videos that have similar dimensions but look quite different. What should I look for?


Like anyonebutme, I can't think of any relationship really, except that they can both affect quality and file size (which can both be judged fairly objectively). Of course, you can always have a big beautiful file that, at least technically, is shot as near to perfect as possible but still bores the hell out of you.

Personally I look at size way more than bitrate, and sites frequently list their videos in terms of frame size, though some list both. Problem is if it's shot in a certain format--which usually corresponds to a certain size, since porn is almost 100% digital--then you shouldn't go bigger than that. Bottom line, you really can't get bigger than the original size, but smaller is always possible (sounds like an insult from a former girlfriend... ).

Anyway, they are probably all compressed to some extent or another since it's the 'net. (Uncompressed video would equal massive file sizes, so be careful what you wish for.) And generally speaking the larger dimensions and higher bitrates mean somewhat less compression than smaller dimensions and lower bitrates--when in doubt, check it out! If two videos look the same to you I would choose the one that's smaller in file size and is still easy to play.

Or just go crazy and choose the biggest file size every time. I believe this is badandy400's strategy. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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