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02-11-11  06:21pm - 5079 days #2
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It may be true, but I think that it may also be a good thing. I have hardly been a shill for the industry in the time I have been here, but there are now so many sites that aren't updating and just reissuing old material, I think realistically we are going to have to, and should pay a little more. For the price of a round of drinks for just a few friends you can download porn that would have cost thousands, thirty, twenty, or even ten years ago.

02-11-11  03:34pm - 5080 days #2
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Nice post Gray one. Therein lies the difference between fantasy and reality. Logistics, and cost effectiveness, mean it's easier and cheaper to just act it out and do it on the cheap. Fewer troubles with the law too.

02-08-11  01:54pm - 5083 days #27
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Pat/Slutty - yep it looks like PU members are in complete harmony about hating the guy on Exploited College Girls. I like the niche of genuine amateurs, but there's been a lot of negative comments about the site, or specifically the guy who does the videos. Can he be that bad? Probably. Once or twice I've been tempted to join, but the negative reviews put me off. At least they don't have pre checked cross sells or regional discrimination.

02-07-11  05:09am - 5084 days #17
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The two sites I have my eye on next are Exploited College Girls and Teen Mega World. Teen Mega World has a $10 discount if joined through TBP/PU. A lot of members here seem to like it, and there has been no really negative feedback.

02-06-11  04:54pm - 5084 days #11
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Originally Posted by Mr Gumby:


Hey Squirrel. Which are your favorite sites?


Hi Mr Gumby (Mr Palin),
Welcome to the forum. In answer to your question, it depends on whether it's content or customer service. For customer service and all time good guys, nothing could beat the dear departed American Vice. I found New Sensations (which I have never reviewed) to be trick free, although their content is not considered exceptional. Karup's have a reputation for great customer service. Karup's have a great rapport with the members here and always seem to answer any questions. To my mind they have 100 per cent reliability.

RealSpankings have a reputation for good customer service, as does Dallas Spanks Hard, although I have never subscribed to DSH. I was more than happy with service from The Torbe Network, although another member said he found himself signed up to a site he didn't join. I thought the webmaster did a good job of sorting it out, although the member (AceOfAces) may disagree. 18 Eighteen have stopped their pre checked cross sells due to consumer demand, it was easy to cancel, and I've had no problems with them at all.

The bottom line is I have had very few bad experiences, but the popular webmasters and popular sites here are favourites for a reason. The don't try rip off tactics. My least favourite site is VideoBox because of lousy download speeds and absolutely no customer service, which shows contempt for customers. Others will disagree with my views on Video Box.

A network which has great content but absolutely no customer service (no replies at all to any questions, horrible navigation and logging in) is TeenCoreClub. I would have scored them ten higher if they were customer oriented.

Ever since I became aware of PU/TBP, I don't think I have joined one site or network which received warnings from members here at PU or TBP. The warnings allowed me to avoid a lot of trouble and hassle.

It's the pre checked cross sells, regional discriminaton, lack of customer support, being signed up for something you don't know about, and therefore finding mystery charges on your credit card, that separate the bad guys from the rest of the industry, who are mostly trying to make an honest living. I feel the bad guys harm the industry as a whole and need weeding out. I have no problems with downloading for free any of their material.

At the moment there must be about 10 sites or networks I would sign up to, but do not because of either pre checked cross selling or regional discrimination. I find PU/TBP a great place, because it gives you all the information needed to weigh up all the options. Edited on Feb 06, 2011, 05:25pm

02-06-11  07:45am - 5085 days #40
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A few things I have always considered

1. Everyone has their own morality.
2. Everyone is their own law.
3. There is nearly always a choice, no matter what the law or anyone else says.
4. You don't have to obey the law, just don't get caught.
5. The law is just a set of rules made up by a bunch of crooks, liars and cheats, therfore tha law is not to be respected.
6. There is no democracy because there is no freedom of speech, therefore the democratically elected government is not democratic.
7. There is no right or wrong. It's up to the individual to decide what is right or wrong and lead their lives according to this.

There is more to the truth than the above, but I have always thought there is a lot of truth in the above statements.

Some of the worst flaming and narrow minded thinking can comes from spanking or bdsm enthusiasts. Some of them, consider their particular fetish or degree of pain is okay, but anything above that is considered "wrong." However, outsiders who are disgusted by their particular fetish or level, are thought to be narrow minded, as it's all about personal taste and freedom.

A few years ago in the UK there was a case where a man defended himself against someone who broke into his house. It's a long time ago now, but from what I can recall the owner beat the living shit out of the thief, and it was considered to be criminal behaviour. Therefore it was the house owner who was arrested and prosecuted (this was before the Tony Martin shotgun case - personally I am glad the little fuck he shot, is dead).

By the law of the land the judge instructed the jury to convict, because by law he was guilty. Against the wishes of his defence, the man made the closing statement himself, because his defending barristers could not legally make the same statement. The man basically said, even though the judge had ordered to convict, and even though by law they should convict, they don't have to. They can completely ignore the judge and the law, because by law, the final say was their's. They could find him innocent, and there was absolutely nothing the judge could do about it.

He commented about how he felt and how they would feel if someone broke into their property, and it was time we were allowed to stand up for ourselves.

The jury found him innocent. This infuriated not only the judge, but those in power because it shows how people can stand up for themselves, and show total contempt for the law. Not only that, the man used the law against the establishment. No wonder they are continually pushing for trial without jury in this country. Edited on Feb 06, 2011, 09:09am

02-05-11  08:56am - 5086 days #26
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I know what you mean Graymane. There are certain levels of noise and activity that we get used to. It's like knowing noises in your own car. You know the ones that should be there, and those that mean trouble. I got some of these noises about 14 months ago, and sure enough it turned out to be a virus. It's inevitable if you surf the net you will get one eventually, even if you stick to safe sites. I had to take it in to have Windows re installed.

This is the longest I have gone without getting a bad virus. Our computers are all living on borrowed time. What's happened to your computer sounds really bad. The main thing is are your external drives infected in some way? I have been told it is not likely that something can spread to them, but any expert out there may be able to confirm this.

The main thing is to save anything valuable to external drives. It's not just the porn. If you work hard on blogs or articles then it's a real pain to have hours of work wiped out. Sometimes I copy and email those to myself while I am still working on them. But if external drives get infected, and it souds like you think yours are, then you can be in real trouble. Incidentally, keeping copies of everything on two exernal drives is useful, because they will eventually break down, and all is lost. Edited on Feb 05, 2011, 09:00am

02-05-11  07:57am - 5086 days #9
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Slutty - My worry about free internet is governments have to approve isp's. They license them much the same as they license broadcasters. Satellite broadcasting cut through those boundaries, so we could see what others did in more censorship free countries. In the end I think it was this which enabled us to obtain hardcore porn in this country, without the supplier risking time in prison.

But there is the political aspect too. The government and the rich don't need to control the media becasue they own it. Therefore there is very little free speech out there. I think governments want to control the internet because the public still has too much control for their liking. They can voice protest against government and big business.

There are also too many free downloads for their big business buddies. These are the people who put them in power, so they are going to be pulling for them. They need a way to obtain control, so that political opinion is stifled to a wimpish Guardian type liberalism, and free downloads end, which means bigger profit and control for big corporations.

It isn't the off/kill switch or sudden nutty dictator which worries me, it's the gradual erosion of human rights and free speech which evolves over time. The internet is relatively free at the moment, but governments are continually making noises about controlling isp's, threatening to shut them down if they don't comply with limiting free downloads, or limit certain types of comment and political opinion. It will continue to grip tighter and tighter like a boa constrictor. It's always gradual in our parts of the world.

Censorship is political becasue it implies those in control have superior opinions to the public majority. Censorship not only implies this it also demonstrates they have the power to impose their views and morality on the majority.

Those in power now own virtually all media apart from the internet. Only limited views and opinions are allowed to be represented in these rich and powerful owned companies. This is a time of relatively free speech because of the internet. I think it will end. I hope I am wrong. Edited on Feb 05, 2011, 08:39am

02-04-11  08:48am - 5087 days #4
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This is just what I have been talking about for the last couple of years. It doesn't raise my eyebrows at all. I don't believe it's a case of if they control the internet, it's when and how. If they can do it under the pretence of "terrorist threats" it should all go smoothly for them. It will be perfect for big business.

I believe if people can set up a satellite or radio internet service, without the need for servers, the control can be bypassed to a certain extent. Alternative views can be beamed in by satellite from other countries. For years satellite could be used to bypass censorship laws. If a satellite service without the need for servers from our own countries can be set up, we still have a chance for a free internet. Edited on Feb 04, 2011, 08:55am

02-02-11  06:36am - 5089 days #3
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It does help at times, being paranoid. There seems to be a general feeling that viruses don't travel from computer to external drive, but I'm not so sure. Before I transfer anything to external drive I always do a virus and spyware check. It probably makes no difference but it's about the best I can do.

Some are so darn clever the can do just about anything with computers. Only consolation is, if you were ifiltrated years ago, it could be an old programme that you may be able to get rid of eventually, because of advances.

The rearadmiral post is a situation I have encountered. Thankfully I ignored it and immediately did an anti virus check. I am also suspicious of anything that says update, even if it is a programme I have on the computer.

02-01-11  07:00am - 5090 days #4
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Now there's a surprise (said in an ironic sarcastic tone - just to inform those Americans unaware of sarcasm). At the same time Brazzers was condemning tube sites, they had their own tube site, and were looking for more.

I have said for the last few years that online porn is far too cheap, despite my support and love for free downloads. I have no moral scruples about downloading for free. However, I believe in paying for porn from those with a good track record for customer support.

I pay for porn from the good guys, and thoroughly enjoy ripping off the bad guys - the ones with drm, limited downloads, pre checked cross sells, regional discrimination, difficulty in cancelling, or tricky small print, or any sort of dirty tricks. Who decides who are the bad guys and who are the good guys? I do.

Those are my standards. Everyone has different standards. Every time I see pre checked cross sells here, I feel good about downloading that company's product for free. Every time I see good customer service and feedback here, I feel good about supporting that company by paying for its product.

01-31-11  02:21pm - 5091 days #13
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This could possibly be the first time I disagree with Denner. They look fake to me.

01-30-11  11:56am - 5092 days #13
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No. No to Twitter. No to Facebook. No to Myspace. Given that I am slightly paranoid (or realistic) about inavasion of privacy and information about you being used in the wrong way, I am passing on all that stuff.

Anyway, I have seen enough comments about how you have to give then certain personal information before you are allowed to join, and enough comments about how they are using the information, to give it a miss.

Not that I'm interested anyway. There is only a limited amount of time I want to spend online. After that I become a sad bastard. So I post here and on a few other sites, but I am now at a personal maximum.

On other forums I stick to commenting on other subjects. If I want to communicate with people on a personal level, I either talk to them personally, or pick up the phone.

01-29-11  07:03pm - 5092 days #18
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


I also realize many people either don't understand my attempts at irony/humor, or don't appreciate my irony/humor.


Naturally I enjoy irony being British, but some Americans just don't do irony. I have found the better educated and more intelligent ones appreciate irony more than the rest, although that is a big generalisation.

I found the same thing applied to my accent. Wherever I went in America, I found the better educated and more intelligent ones tended to understand what I was saying. They also recognised I was from England, not Australia or Ireland.

01-24-11  06:35am - 5098 days #16
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It's not as long a wait as Red Sox fans had, but still a long time. The Jets were peaking at the right time, but Pittsburgh were better than in earlier matches. Can't complain about NYJ hearts though. They didn't give up, and gave it their all, even when they went two scores down. They almost had a shot in the last 100 seconds, but that pass by Roethlisberger, resulting in a tremendous catch, finished it. You could see how choked they were. They really had belief. They ran a great campaign, with what appeared to be only an above average team, through the main season.

01-21-11  11:46am - 5101 days #12
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My favourite quote of the year so far from Channel 4's 10 O' Clock Live show. On Sarah Palin - "the only Horseman of the Apocalypse you could conceivably maintain an erection while gazing in the eye."

01-15-11  10:41am - 5107 days #3
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Nice link, Pink. An interesting reply to the list was the guy that said he had a huge porn collection but hadn't heard of half the girls. That applies to me. I haven't heard of half of them and wouldn't recognise any of them. Sasha Grey I've heard of, but wouldn't recognise. Only one I might recognise would be Belladonna. I suppose it's because I hate the professional porn look, and have no favourite models. Seen them once, on to the next. I prefer the more natural amateur girl next door sort of porn.

01-14-11  01:45pm - 5108 days #10
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It's perfectly obvious Sarah Palin has mad cow's disease. That would explain everything. Of course we all know what happens to mad cows. Hopefully she will be painlessly put down (or preferably, painfully destroyed).

01-11-11  06:25pm - 5110 days #8
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Originally Posted by graymane:


LOL.....A repartee stroke of humorous genius, lk2fireaway.
That reply actually evolked one of those oldfashion "belly-laughs" .... that's so rare for me, anymore.


Agreed. The thing about British humour is that it often has the ring of truth, so maybe Ik2 has some true Brit blood in him.

Personally I have a preference for shooting all hunters. Come to think of it, shooting the ones who are willing to surrender would be far safer than shooting the ones who give you a fight. In the same way the best time to kick someone is when they're down, (unless they have a gun or bodyguard).

No such thing as a fair fight, because one side is always bigger, stronger, or better armed. Only concern is to make sure you're the one with the unfair advantage and therefore the winner. If you're not bigger, stronger, or better armed, pay someone who is.

12-28-10  10:17am - 5125 days #3
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Sounds like the only chance we have of sneaking the ball past the Germans and into the net.

12-26-10  01:56pm - 5127 days #10
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Thanks Khan. Hope you, Rick, and all the PU regulars had a great Xmas, and wishing you all in advance (including Messmer, Cybertoad, Pinche, and other absent regulars) a tremendous 2011.

12-22-10  06:42pm - 5130 days #46
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I can't believe Messmer has disabled his account. He's one of my favourite members. We never really know each other here, but that is sometimes true with people you know in real life. Something happens and they act in a completely different way to what you would expect. Either that or Ik is right, the aliens got to him. My guess is he's going through a bad time. Messmer, I hope you get through it mate, and come back strong.

Excellent post by Raging Buddhist. Despite his image he nearly always says something profound.

Graymane was upset and so was Messmer and that's a real shame. I am used to being flamed by kids on forums. The intent is what makes the difference in my book, but everyone's standards are different. Maybe I am used to flaming and how to deal with it. I have a way of knowing how to really annoy someone (a talent I have in real life) so am less sensitive than some.

I could be considered one of the most attacking and negative members here but I have no criticism about anyone on this thread. I think everyone has acted in an honest way and said what they think.

I was going to say something that I considered important, then Khan went and posted it before I had the chance. To be fair he probably put it better than I could anyway.

I am one of the more offensive members here, so I wouldn't mind Wittyguy occasionally going for the throat in the awards. He doesn't, but he does get the tone imo perfect.

We come from the outside world where porn and those who like it are considered sick, depraved, or whatever. Since we have come to terms with that, I am surprised that any regular member would be upset over what is posted on this forum. This is one of the most civilized forums because, as Badandy pointed out a long time ago, we are intelligent enough and honest enough to accept that we like porn, and post about it, so we can argue and disagree without getting upset.

Usually.

12-22-10  06:28am - 5131 days #41
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Khan can be the ruling rooster, as long as we're not the hens.

12-18-10  04:58pm - 5134 days #9
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Customer disservice is there to make it as hard as possible to get your money back. The harder they make it, the more money they make. Good report.

12-18-10  04:27pm - 5135 days #21
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Finally, a lifetime achievement award - and about time too. Of course I am far too important to turn up to the award ceremony personally, and turn down the award from the running dog capitalist Wittyguy, besides which I am busy forcibly removing some very old people from a building and developing it for tons of money. It's okay - they're old, unimportant, and will be dead soon, like ninety per cent of the PU regulars. Anyway we all know Wittyguy is an inside mole for the porn industry. Edited on Dec 18, 2010, 04:31pm

12-17-10  05:48am - 5136 days #11
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errr..of course...errmmm...oops.

Toad makes an occasional post but used to be a regular. At least he is still around. Be nice to hear more from him, but I suppose we all have lives in the outside world. Edited on Dec 17, 2010, 05:55am

12-16-10  05:16pm - 5136 days #9
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A welcome return for Cybertoad who was been scarce for most of 2010. Good one toad.

12-11-10  08:57am - 5142 days #14
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Totally pointless as far as I'm concerned. I'm one of those who finds titty fucking a waste of time and a complete bore. I suppose they feel they have to find something different to fill the videos. Maybe that's the problem, they just cannot bring themselves to make videos of people just having sex. Which is why all the other stuff we hate is in there too.

12-11-10  05:31am - 5142 days #7
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I can't say I "like" Obama--he's still a politician after all--but considering the last few guys in his position and the alternatives (both past and future)...well, he's an improvement to say the least. Having said that, he still makes decisions that either piss me off or just leave me scratching my head.

Like the current "compromise" he's offering on the expiration of Bush-era tax cuts. I was thinking, "Okay, he's not going to submit to extending the highest income ones too." But then he does. WTF! Or his administration's positions and decisions on any number of things--Afghanistan, DADT, WikiLeaks, the Wall Street bailout. Frankly, I think to label him a "liberal" or "progressive" is to shame such terms.

And yet this all still makes him a socialist, Kenyan-born, communist/Nazi-sympathizer, Muslim/possible atheist out to destroy America as we know it...so I guess my first criticisms were kinda mild.



I do kind of like Assange too though, or at least what he's done with Wikileaks, if only because he's pissing governments off again. I'm a little skeptical of the he's-putting-countless-lives-in-danger propaganda the U.S. government has been saying. The U.S. government puts more lives in danger than Assange could ever dream of doing, which is why they get so pissed when their dirty laundry gets aired by someone like him and his site.

My view is that the mainstream media has failed miserably in the last few decades, devolving into a handful of massive conglomerates that care more about maintaining stock prices and profits than putting out a decent, worthwhile product (and yes, newspapers, networks and websites are all products). There's no real serious political motive behind any of them beyond status quo maintenance and whoever can get them more money at any given time. The media has done virtually nothing in the last few years that should entitle them to hold more public trust then some Australian hacker with a website. Take the American coverage of the responses to 9/11, say, or just the buildup to the Iraq invasion--what would have happened had there been a WikiLeaks for the whole WMD and "smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud" narrative?! Those are tens of thousands of lives that were lost.

And not to sound like too much of an Assange-apologist here but he's only the messenger--other assholes give him the secrets--he only leaks or dumps them, and I doubt he offers any compensation beyond efforts to maintain anonymity. Oh, and and this whole "traitor" bullshit some have called him needs to stop. He's not an American citizen! So either the definition of traitor has radically changed or many of his critics need to take a good long look at a globe.


Yep, totally agree. Wish I could have put it as well as Turboshaft.

12-10-10  06:02pm - 5142 days #5
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And that would be Obama who's in power over here, correct?

Or do you just get to arbitrarily declare who you hate, and who other people are not allowed to dislike?


I'm not important or powerful enough to be able to stop people disliking someone. For that I would need to be a media mogul, and therefore be able to tell all the stupid people what their opinions are, and then tell them how right they are. But I don't have to be powerful or important to express an opinion. Not while the internet remains relatively free anyway.

I surprised myself by liking Obama. I thought it would be impossible for someone with integrity to make it to the the White House. I like him so much he's possibly my favourite politician of all time along with Carter, even though we would almost certainly disagree on 98 things out of 100. Some people ring true and some don't. He appears to be honest and have integrity. That's why I like him, even though he doesn't have the same politics and opinions as me. Obama is still a politician, and in government, and if he has true integrity he'll probably end up alone. The mechanism will go on with or without him.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the Wikileaks thing though. Unlike Wittyguy I do like Assange as I consider the world needs more quasi-anarchistic egomaniacs who believe that government is corrupt, and needs to be exposed at any price. Edited on Dec 10, 2010, 06:47pm

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Was wondering when you'd get around to this one.

The intelligent ones know those in power are a bunch of lying cheating corrupt scumbags who are our biggest enemies. They know we know, and we know they know we know. They don't mind this, because they just deny it and the pretence goes on. What they really hate is seeing all the stuff we know about being made public. This is an example of why those in power want control of the internet.

We know our government is committing crimes against our own people and against foreign people. The problem for them is that when it is made public, it becomes a kind of unifying call for all those who hate government and big corporations and want to do something about it. That costs them money in the long run.

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I agree with the majority. How I hate those close up gynaecological shots. Give me the full girl.

11-19-10  06:42am - 5164 days #13
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I hate them both on men and on women. You can add another 50 year old negative vote. I agree with nearly everything that has been said. I dislike tattoos so much I find it spoils a scene even if it's the male that has the tattoo. Any female with any tattoo I find a complete turn off. It's like watching people with cancerous growths or six inch moles having sex. All I can see is the tattoo. Think I need Exotics to put me in some sort of hypnotic trance to make me find them attractive.

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A number of men would definitely vote for the naked woman. It may be a spoof article but a naked woman would probably do very well. Unless she starts going on about health reform and helping the poor. I'm sure there was a story about a dog getting votes versus a politician in this country. Which goes to show truth is stranger than spoof. Edited on Nov 16, 2010, 05:58am

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This may be true, but I suspect that if you showed a picture of a big pile of horse manure and a greasy politician, you could well get the same result, Same goes for a red cadillac versus greasy politician.

Voting for the naked woman is ridiculous since American men are always complaining about politicians taking their money. Who is guaranteed to cost you more money than a politician? Yep, a naked woman. Doesn't even matter if she's your girlfriend or wife. Naked woman = costing you a shitload of money. This means women were right all along (noooooo!!!!) men really are more dumb than women.

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LOL - justme sounds as angry as I am, but in a different way!

He is right in that I am angry and need to relax, but the reality is that isn't going to happen. I went from being an angry young man to an angry old man.

I had better clear up one thing. I didn't say I got excited about people being killed, I just said it made it seem not so bad if half those who are killed are Republicans. ("I console myself with the thought that half of them are Republicans"). That's a bit different from being excited.

It's good to relax and take things easy, but not so good to be apathetic and complacent. They are the reasons we are controlled by the media. I do think justme is correct in how a lot of the American people view Obama. Very similar to how the British view Government in general. The only difference is we are more cynical.

Truth is I don't want to save anyone from evil, because I don't care much for human beings anyway. I go from wimpish Liberal, thinking about how unfair the world is, to not caring because those who are poor, would be just as big a bunch of bastards as the rich, if positions were reversed.
But one thing that wont change is me being angry.

I have no moral high ground either. What I say is in my own interest, and also that of PU members. I like Obama because I think he is a good man, which is good for me because I think he makes the world a safer place. I hate cross selling because those sort of companies are conmen who are trying to trick us. That's bad for me and bad for porn buyers.

11-14-10  06:12am - 5169 days #10
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


You must have me confused with someone else. I say, "Rage on! We're drowning in a world of complacency and apathy. Speak out when you feel the need".


Thanks RB, I have always felt like I'm from another planet even in my own country. Apathy and complacency are what let the bastards get away with it all. I agree, RAGE ON!

11-13-10  05:07pm - 5169 days #8
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


I think we all share in your aversion for the unsavory practices from sites like you've brought up. And I suspect, like me, most have battle scars from dueling with them.
Another popular avenue I'll toss out is that I've had some success with a few of those apathetic sites by having purchased through CCBill or PayPal. If the problem isn't technical, They'll likely make an effort to intercede on your behalf to get the matter resolved. They've stepped in on some issues I was doubtful about and took care of it.
Of course, there's limits to things they can handle, too.



Yes agreed. But we hate the aggravation. I know I shouldn't be fighting other peoples' battles, but I feel disgusted for those who have been ripped off in the past, and for anyone who then has to fight to get those unknown charges removed. Most of us on here are very careful, but not only do I feel disgusted on behalf of others who have been ripped off and then had a fight to get their money back, I take it as a personal insult that a site should attempt to sign me up for something that I did not intend to sign up for. They know exactly what they are trying to do. They are trying to trick me into buying something I did not intend buying. I take that very personally.

But yes Graymane, some of the more reputable billing companies do listen. We have heard cases where those who have clearly been charged for something they never intended to purchase, have had their money refunded. Those billing companies deserve credit. But this situation should never arise in the first place. Pre checked cross selling should be illegal.

If it were made illegal, and was removed across the board, I am not sure I would pay a membership to those sites who have tried to trick people over the years. I would rather rip them off.

I believe those like American Vice, who are honourable and reputable, should have our support. I think quite a few on here did support them. It is maybe the less well informed who missed out.

I will join a site again, and it will be one that does not have pre checked cross selling or regional discrimination. The last site I paid money to was Karup's, who have always had a good reputation for customer service. Money well spent.

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Pay per view are ridiculously expensive in comparison to monthly membership sites, but at least they are more honest. Thing is a site doesn't need to have a million videos, as I said earlier. It just needs some decent porn without dirty tricks.

The Toadsith Catch 22 thing applies, which is a shame because it prevents new video/dvd sites from developing a quality catalogue. Bad for customers.

I hope wherever Reg is and whatever he's doing he's successful, because he gave the impression he worked his bollocks off. Good luck mate, in your future endeavours.

Even non video/dvd sites are infuriating. The pre checked cross sells probably don't irritate people as much as they do me, and the same goes for regional discrimination. But if prechecked cross sells didn't work, in other words they earn more money than if they weren't pre checked, companies wouldn't do it. The conclusion from this is that members are tricked out of their money for services they do not want. I'm not giving my money to con artists. I'd rather rip them off. No apologies, in fact it makes me feel good. Edited on Nov 13, 2010, 03:00pm

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This sounds like many other mainstream business failures in the past thirty years. Only difference is it's in the porn business. This does not bode well. If a new site needs a big customer base to get the best contracts from top suppliers, but can't get customers until it gets top suppliers, it will be impossible to get a decent new video site off the ground.

This means the big guns already in the market wont have to strive too hard to improve as they already have a monopoly on product. The only new video sites will be those with rubbish product and rubbish support. I feel really sorry for Reg and AV. It's as though no one in porn really wants to see a decent site with decent customer service. It was head and shoulders above the rest.

I am downloading for free because I cannot bring myself to give money to a site that tries to trick me. I've looked all through the video sites and a lot of the best have pre checked cross sells. Video Box do not, but have the slowest streaming and download speed I have encountered since being online. They also have shit customer support.

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Bugger it. Was thinking of ordering the beef tenderloin cherry kirsch flambe.

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A good question. I've been trying to find a video site worthy of my money. I hate Video Box because they don't give a toss about their customers, and their perspective on a lot of the videos is wrong. I didn't join VideosZ because of the pre checked cross selling. With American Vice you joined, got great customer service and great picture quality. No one tried to rip you off. There doesn't appear to be one satisfactory video site out there. I don't want 10 million videos, just a thousand with reasonable choice, reasonable quality, and reasonable customer service.

I mentioned on Messmer's VB review how angry I am. I'm always angry. I am still angry about the way the American people treated Obama in the recent elections. One thing to cheer me up when there's a big tragedy and Americans are killed is I console myself with the thought that half of them are Republicans. I really do think like that. I really am that angry. All the time.

Two reviews by Pat and Ik2Fireone recently concerning the Teen Mega World and Teen Burg networks sparked my interest. Several months ago I said I was considering joining a new network, but didn't know which one, as so many of them either have pre checked cross selling or regional discrimination. I ended up joining one of those free file sharing sites and downloading from there. Fuck you VideosZ and the rest of you who have regional discrimination or pre checked cross sales.

Think I need the influence of Raging Buddhist to calm me down a bit. Where to go? I have the money and am willing to give it to a worthy site or network. Not sure at the moment, but any site with dirty tricks does not get my money no matter how good their material is supposed to be. Porn Pros is another one I would join but avoid like the plague. There's a big cloud over that one. Did they threaten to break Rick's legs or made him an offer he couldn't refuse? What happened to turn this shady outfit into one that now gets the thumbs up from TBP?

Not sure where I'm going next with my money. Until I find something worthy I'm continuing to download for free.

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To kkman and pat - respect. Those last two intelligent posts together sum so very much up. I would ask two questions. If the average American read those two posts would he or she understand them or their implications? If they did understand them, would they still vote Republican anyway?

I'm not sure what scares me more: That the average American wouldn't understand those posts, or that they would understand them, and still vote Republican.

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Perfect analysis Pink. I think that is exactly what will happen. Just blame it on Obama. In a way it's a shame the Republicans didn't win the last election. But no matter how bad things are, and for how long, once the other side get in just wait a year, then blame it all on them.

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Obama lost seats across the board including poor areas and those with high unemployment.

This only confirms what I have always known. The poor are generally very stupid, so maybe they deserve to be poor. Can't blame the middle incomes for being selfish bastards who don't care about anyone except themselves. A bad night fot planet earth, not just America.

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I'm seriously worried for Obama, and for America. No one yet has come up with a real reason why he's suddenly hated. Seems he hasn't solved all the problems and made sure everyone has a better lifestyle by giving money away, or taken from the poor to make sure the voting middle classs support him.

As usual people are voting for an extra ten dollars in their pocket. They'd vote in Osama Bin Laden if he promised that, and gave em all the usual bullshit they wanted to hear. It would be screw those who died om 9/ll I'm voting for Satan, and take the consequences later. Ironically that's how those fundamental tearful Christians appear to me. Totally and completely evil bastards, filled with hate and self interest.

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Same here with IE.

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Most of us have been living above our means for years. In many ways I quite like the attempts to cut spending.

Most of us want to see spending going towards the most vulnerable and helpless. Quite often this doesn't happen. This is almost certainly deliberate. Just point your finger towards all the undeserving slobs as an excuse not to help the deserving ones.

Is Obama not seeking to reform health care and do something that no other President has done in living memory? This is the heart of the matter. Make sure the money goes to the right people. In order for this to happen, someone has to pay for it. But just because there is money being wasted in all the wrong places doesn't mean that the most vulnerable don't need help.

So Americans, why is Obama not acclaimed as one of the greats? Is he getting criticised for doing what he was elected to do, or is he not doing it? If not, where is he failing?

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I was going to say something about this, but I never knew quite how to do it. I shall try to keep it as brief as possible. I shall call it as I see it from a foreign perspective. To me, Obama is my favourite all time politician. That a decent man is in the White House is something I would have considered impossible. I thought we would always see a lying cheating piece of shit as President or Prime Minister.

I presume people elected Obama because he represents decency and helping the less well off, and he promised to do things like take action on health reform. The minute he starts to actually do something he was elected to do, people seem against it. He is one of the few politicians to keep his election promises.

The conclusion supports the theory I have had for years. People are generally selfish bastards who pretend they care, but don't. They'd rather elect some bunch of people who they can then blame for all the poor and suffering going on, than themselves, for being selfish greedy scum of the earth, who don't want to hand over any of their money in taxes, to help.

People only pretend they want to help others and support liberal stuff. They'd rather lie, cheat, kill, and stamp on everyone in their everyday life while earning shitloads of money, which rather than be obliged to hand over in tax, they keep in order to hand over a small amount to charity, quite often in public, just to let everyone know what great people they are. Then they get to blah about what great charitable people they are, as they patronisingly pat some black kid on the head while handing over a dollar, which makes them feel so superior.

They make sick.

There was some old woman on tv from Boston who voted for Obama. She was now against him because she considered she was paying enough in taxes. So why vote for him in the first place? So you can blame him for the poor and the helpless as he refuses to tax people more to make them pay for the less privileged. You thought he wouldn't keep his election promises, and everything would stay the same, and you would get to feel good about yourself for being such a liberal nice person. But he aint going to do it, you fucking bitch.

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Very interesting. Of course you know what this means - Khan would be perfect for the next PUerview questionnaire thread.

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