The majority of trial memberships are just bait to get you for a month. I've had sites charge me for $1 for a trial and then immediately (within seconds) bill me for the "post trial" monthly fee, which is sometimes higher than the regular monthly fee. That's just greedy. All sites should provide enough accurate, honest representative material so that people can decide to join or not without resorting to a trial.
No matter how you do it, managing passwords is a pain. First choice is always to use my own, but even that is a challenge sometimes. And if the billing service doesn't send a confirmation email, then they go off my list of acceptable services.
I agree that it shouldn't matter if your browser keeps track, but not all sites allow the browser to keep the PW.
Cloud service providers have no rights to any of the data you store. They have a fiduciary responsibility to keep it safe just like your bank, credit card companies and merchants have a fiduciary responsibility to keep your money and credit card information safe. Huge lawsuits have resulted from breach of that fiduciary responsibility when people hack into their systems or employees walk away with data. That said, many consumer-level cloud operations limit their liability for LOSS of data. So although they are liable for ensuring nobody else gets your data, they try not to be liable if they accidentally lose it. Only commercial B to B cloud operations are legally obligated to both secure and protect the data (to a very high degree thanks to SOX compliance laws). So if, as a consumer, you use cloud based storage and your stuff gets lost, tough. Thanks but no thanks.
If the question was primarily "do you use the cloud?" I don't. Cloud storage doesn't scale well for...um....our purposes, especially with the latest high res video/VR files getting up there into the 15-25 GB range.
If you are asking about our computer set-ups, well.... I just upgraded with a bunch of 6TB drives and now have a regular desktop, a dedicated VR machine and a server for backups. Desktop has 4 data-only drives (20 TB total, about half for the collection). VR machine has 2 data drives (12 TB), also about half for the collection, mostly VR added since November! The server has 24 TB, incrementally backs up nightly. I have a couple of 6TB drives to install in that one soon. VR files are 5-15 GB each. I also recently went back to many of my regular sites and started pulling images in the highest resolution available and video in 1080 or 4k. As a result, my collection has more than doubled in size in less than 6 months. (And it was pretty big before....)
Oh, and most of my data drives are installed in Istar tray-less removable cages (Newegg) so they can be removed or swapped out through the front of my computers without opening the case. These things are, cheap, awesome, make use of otherwise useless 5 1/4 inch slots, and make any drive "portable". they look pretty cool too!
I was able to get in after changing my password (for no reason). And I got an email back that said "We see you logged in so everything must be OK now." No mention of the fact that my password was changed without my knowledge and I was charged for but didn't log in for 2 months because I thought the account had expired...the usual case when you can't log in using known-good account credentials. But they are in the business of taking my money, so they did, and technically don't have give any back for any reason, so they didn't.
Part of the problem is that the more obscure billing services, like the one that Diesel uses, Vendo Services, aren't on my checklist to review monthly like ccbill and epoch are. At least they send emails, though. One, ECHST, doesn't even send you a confirmation email when you sign up to a site they service or a cancellation when you cancel so you have no record at all of the charge other than the cryptic information on the credit card bill and no proof that a cancellation was processed.
I need to remember to include the billing service in my reviews...
Has anyone else had access issues over the last few months? My original username/password stopped working for no apparent reason and I had to go through the process to create a new, random password to get back in. I'm back in, but am curious to see if others had issues.
I put it in there on a whim. Wanted to see if it made a difference since I've been posting forever and haven't gotten a new trust vote in a long time. I'm about 5 votes short of getting that badge and I think it is the only one I don't have. No big deal. I'll probably pull the request since it seems a little tacky to solicit for votes....
I'm guessing that somebody out there likes the embroidery hoop spreader things they use on this site but I'm curious...do you? The question is a little specific for a survey but if you are a member of this site and don't mind responding, what are your thoughts on it? Ever seen it anywhere else?
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Good quality videos.
Nice looking models.
More fetish material than expected
Some of the bonus material is very good.
Sets are dated in both main and bonus sites
Everything is HD!
Image zips available for all scenes
Cons:
Lots of effort to get you to sign up to the other two 21 networks.
Sex is competent, not necessarily exciting.
More fetish material than expected.
Filter function is counter-intuitive.
Some of the bonus material is better than some of the main material...
Bottom Line:
It seems that 21Sextury has decided to add shelf-space and increase revenue by breaking up their network into 3 separate networks. That's OK, I guess, but the lines between these networks are a little blurry and arbitrary and the material in some doesn't make sense.
Here are a few stats that I could figure out.
21 Naturals:
About 780 sets on main site.
About 250 female and male actors listed
Sets are all dated
Videos are all HD up to 1080p.
Videos are scored via thumbs up/down.
Bonus sites contain another 1000 or so videos.
Videos are NOT tagged so you don't know if you are watching an anal or fetish video until you are.
You can select anal,for example, in a search filter, but you cannot de-select it.
21 Naturals is billed as the "natural" site with young, fit girls in the no-longer-trending white-room style of video shooting. If it were a site filled with JUST naturals, as billed, I would be pretty happy...but it isn't. It is also the default location for foot fetish and anal videos. In fact, those types of videos seem to outnumber the videos that I signed up for. If you are into anal there is some decent stuff here. Unfortunately, I'm not. Same with foot fetish stuff. I'm not into that either. Oh well, I guess I should have read on the preview page......oh wait, they don't say ANYTHING about fetishes within 21 naturals on the preview page. They say you have access to over 15 sites and over 100 new videos a month and don't elaborate any further. They show 2 OTHER sites called 21foot-art and 21erotic-anal, but they look like different sites in the preview, not integral parts of 21naturals. Similarly, the images on the 21naturals preview page are young solo models or straight sex images that fit with "natural". No fetishes shown or implied at all. More than a little misleading, especially if you think, like I did, that one of those other sites might be 21sextury. Nope. They are all micro-sites with a specific theme like Asian, big boobs, booty, more anal, DP or whatever. Now, in all honesty, these are awesome bonus sites compared to those offered in some other networks, so I can't knock them. But even the bonus sites don't really lend themselves to categories in some cases. The Bitch Club for example, includes many different types of scenes including, yep, some foot fetish and anal.
The videos are well done, well lit, well directed and the models are usually quite beautiful even in the bonus sites. The bonus sites, by the way, have the same look and feel, both in navigation and in content, as the main site, so I suspect that these bonus sites may be available in the other two networks. Don't know for sure.
Every scene is scripted and acted out. The interaction between the couple is often somewhat limited and you often don't see much chemistry between them. It isn't that the chemistry isn't there, I guess, but you don't see it. Scenes are often slow and the couples often don't even look at each other during sex, with very little kissing or affection. Kind of weird for this style of video, which can be both more affectionate and more kinetic on some other sites.
They do have an interesting "filter" system that allows you to select options like anal so the resulting videos include it. But the "filter" is backwards. FILTER means exclude, not include. So if I de-select anal, I should not get anal. Instead, when I deselect anal, all I get is anal! Deselect foot fetish and anal? you get both. In the meantime, if all I want to see is latinas having straight sex, nope. I can choose latinas, but it includes all latina scenes including fetishes. I apologize for ranting about this, but it is clear that the webmasters don't understand that, although they've put great effort into search functions, these functions are counter-intuitive.
Overall, I would compare this site to WowgirlsX-Art or Joymii. The material is very similar, with interaction perhaps a little less intimate than those sites. But these webmasters really missed the mark on determining where to separate their three networks and how to market them. Half of the material here belongs in a new network called 21fetish.
Is it worth visiting? Well, yes, it is,especially for the relatively low price. If you like anal or foot-jobs, there is some good stuff here. There is also some good straight sex stuff here, all in HD. But I am going to penalize the site a couple of points because of the totally whacked way they threw the fetishes into this otherwise young-girl straight-sex site, how the filters don't work and how the landing page shows you locked sets from the other networks in an effort to bait you into signing up over there.
I hope you found this useful! If so, a trust vote would be appreciated!
The last time I joined Hustler, this site was included in the network. Now I see it is still owned by LFP, but is part of a network that looks like it has a younger overall intended audience. It has been a long, long time since LFP material was top-notch, but I'm sure there is still some good stuff here.
If you put your email into the sign-up page and then back out at the credit card info page, you will eventually get a pretty good offer via email.
I'm looking at this site on the TBP front page and am having a hard time understanding how they can charge $30 a month for 11 sets. There are no full sized samples whatsoever, no dated releases or release schedule and you can't even see what is on the 2nd page of updates. It has the popular stars, but a very, very small number of them.
I'm also a little confused since I can't see the sets...is this a handjob site or full-sex POV like POVD?
Put a $19 promo rate on TBP and I'll join and write a review. Otherwise, $30 can get me hundreds or even thousands of great sets elsewhere, so that's where I'm going.
Call Epoch. It is in their best interest to assist you in getting access. If they can't assist in getting you access, tell them you have never had access, can't get anyone to respond from the site and request a refund. They will deny it initially but if you don't have access or a refund in 24 hours, call them back and keep calling. Be a squeeky wheel.
I just noticed that TBP is not doing business with this site, so they are a probably a pretty bad site in terms of support and business practices. Epoch is still your best bet. Use the fraud word if you have to but only after politely asking them for help.
And, as always, come to TBP and PU for reviews BEFORE you sign up to a site. They usually can tell you if a site is trouble.
Well, it looked like updates were happening every two weeks or so, but I've been a member for almost a month now and there have been no updates since February 2nd. More than a little disappointing.
HI Pinkpanther. Thanks for the comments. I must admit I keep coming back to the site, so there is a certain appeal there, probably because of the great interaction between the girls and the crew or just between the girls. But I pass on a lot of the videos and also cull about 50% of the images in the zip-file sets because they are not to my taste or are a little too clinical. The site is very popular, so I'm sure SOMEBODY likes the embroidery hoop things. :-)
To reply to Merc77, my mom caught my other brother in bed with another guy and she DID send him away! I often think I got away with so much because she was so relieved I was straight....and I got away with a LOT.
You forgot the option "Nothing". My brother had a huge stash and I developed a decent one when I was pretty young, mostly stolen from him. My mom knew where it was but chose not to "find" it. She knew where I kept my bong, too. She put it away for me more than once. (I got busted in my front yard at 16 and the cop brought me to the door and gave my mom a little lecture along with my stone pipe destroy. When the cop left, she gave me back the pipe and said "Don't let that happen again.") This was the '70s. It was a different time......
I've never paid and won't pay more than $39 a month for a site and that is for a specialty site that has some really unique material. When it comes to mainstream porn, competition is tough and my dollars go where I think I will find the material I want for the best value. There are thousands of porn sites out there and some are outstanding at just $19 or $29. If the price is too much, I move on.
My wife knows about it but doesn't know how big my collection is. She is also very tolerant. I share some videos with her to see if she wants to try things and occasionally we do. I haven't had the nerve to show her female POV virtual reality porn video yet because, on the one hand, I don't think she realizes how realistic VR porn is and on the other hand, I'm not sure she will like it as much as I do. Men are SO visually oriented....
Most of my stuff is 720 but I just built a new PC for gaming and VR with 16TB just for data, so lately I've been downloading more in 1080. The VR resolution for my HTC Vive is 3840x1920 so those files are HUGE!
I have a subscription to this site and can download videos but there is an option at the top of each video that says "Buy it for a lifetime". When you click on it, the pop-up says it is about to charge my credit card $2.95. Does anyone have ANY idea what this is? There is no mention of DRM on the downloadable videos, so this is pretty confusing. Do the videos stop working after a subscription ends? If so, not disclosing it is practically criminal.
I have a subscription to this site and can download videos but there is an option at the top of each video that says "Buy it for a lifetime". When you click on it, the pop-up says it is about to charge my credit card $2.95. Does anyone have ANY idea what this is? There is no mention of DRM on the downloadable videos, so this is pretty confusing. Do the videos stop working after a subscription ends? If so, not disclosing it is criminal.
Hi Eric, Thank you for your timely and eloquent response. I can appreciate that the older photo sets have been remastered and additional images have been included. And I now see that the remastered sets are labeled and appear every 12-14 posts. So I was mistaken about the frequency of reposts, but I can tell you this with some certainty. It FEELS like there is more older stuff here that is being re-used and there are probably a couple of pretty good reasons for it.
First, with the exception of the vacation shoots, all of the material has maintained an absolutely identical look and feel for a long, long time. Some subscribers may love this, but I find it a little frustrating to see current photo sets that look exactly like 5-10 year old sets in terms of image quality, set-style, direction and content. Most sites are diverse enough that you can tell different sets have been shot on different days in different locations. Here? Not so much. Second, although, some sets of certain models may have never been published before, they may look like older shoots when the models involved were younger. That can be pretty confusing.
Now, to be fair, I see Kimmy Granger, Blake Eden, Alex Grey and Gina Gerson on the site and they are clearly contemporary models/porn stars, but the lack of make-up on Gina, for example, makes her look years younger than she does on other sites. She's been on your site since 2012. Are the most recent sets from 2017 or from 2012? Can't tell. This gives me the impression that these, too, are older shoots.
A simple solution to this might be to include a "first published" date on the remastered sets or perhaps a "shoot" date.
I will be sure to go back through the site and look at the sets with an open mind regarding the feeling that sets are somehow older. I'll also compare the remastered sets with the ones I got from prior memberships. My collection goes back to about 2004.
As I said in my review, Alsscan is a very good site. I will update it later this month to reflect your points.
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